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What is us strategy when it comes to iran for almost 200 years, americans have generally been stuck with 2 political choices, but cannot ever change because it comes with us politics developed and like the welcome to the stream. Im josh rushing. Time is running out to save several major lakes across the world that are risk of drawing up the crisis to so urgent the scientist warrant that some could disappear well in just a few years. Now that was spelled disaster for communities and wild life. So today we look at 3 legs that are rapidly shrinking and ask what action is needed to guarantee their future. The so to examine this emergency, we are joined by ally, margie is an assistant professor at Oklahoma State university. And its been looking at the shrinking like an a ron name like irma. Yeah. Hes in the us city of stillwater, oklahoma, and Salt Lake City. We have currently beautiful. Shes a coordinator at the Great Salt Lake institute and is examined how long life has been affected by the roshan of utahs Great Salt Lake. And then tell it beep israel we have yeah, al key ro, she is the assistant professor at the Weisman Institute of science in his research, the dead sea in the jordan river valley. Hello to everyone. Carly, lets start off with you because the Great Salt Lake has been in the news here recently. Can you tell us whats going on with it . Yeah, so Great Salt Lake is like youre saying one of those lakes that are shrinking and were expecting that theres the eco system collapse within the next 5 years. But whats wild is this has not been, this is not a new problem. Its been going on for years and years and years, but its something that is just on peoples radar. And so its, theres a lot of action that were hoping to to happen to get this lake to not be so small. And you know, the lake is going down, but even just a couple of inches with the lake elevation will change the ecosystem drastically. So its a kind of a day by day thing that were monitoring, that when you say ecosystem collapse, what would that look like . Theyre yeah, so whats interesting about Great Salt Lake is theres, its a, a small ego system where theres, theres not a ton of things that are at the lake themselves. But the lake has about 10000000. 00 birds that come to it every year for their migration stop. And so if there isnt these brine, shrimp, or these brand flies, these tiny little organisms in the lakes and the birds would not be able to use the lakes for their migration. And again, were talking millions and millions of birds that use this place. So in terms of the eco system, if it cant hold all of these animals, then they just, they just wont be there anymore. Ally you whats going on with lake or mia. Busy baker, me electronically was talking about the ecosystem collapse of the Great Salt Lake lake room. It has already experience that phase to a large extent. This is a lake thats a home to brian tree of our team. Yeah. Which is the. Busy places this trip is found and then a migratory birds feed off of it. And this lake has uh, basically uh, pretty much disappeared at this point. And were talking about a major lake, you know, by some accounts, the 2nd largest sally lake and the world. And so its not like a money part of. Busy its about us the size of the state in the state of delaware, in the us, or half the size of tower for those who want to put the size in perspective. And this whole eco system is disappearing. And, and this other, the, the, the leg that, you know, could, could attract a lot of, you know, people to visit for a tourism and other activities are starting into a, a threat as opposed to providing ecosystem services. Its supposed to, well its making a tourism. The dead sea attracts a lot of tourism in and has for probably century is up not longer. Yeah. Whats happening there now . And so the density lake level is dropping for the past decade in the rate of more than one meter per year. So this is a very fast lake level top, and it is affecting mainly the, or one of the Major Industries that are affect, affected by this is the to reason around the dead sea, because the shar is the going away. And in order to have any kind of commercial beach over there, you need to maintain a road. And as you can see here on the, in this video videos, the lake level drop is the causing the formation of seen calls. Which doesnt allow anything, any tories in along the shore at, at this, um, at this stage because it is too dangerous. So that i know we have a long history of the dead sea. Has it ever gone through this kind of contraction before to um yeah, so there were some times that were very dry in this region that the lake level was even lower than what it is today. Uh, 10002 years ago and about 120000 years ago. But uh, its never dropped in this uh, and this rate. So what were seeing now is a very fast lake level job that is affected by the human activity and the which he lives ation of the different Water Resources that used to flow into the lake. And uh, um, and uh, also uh the lake level drop is contributed by the different tape bought this industry that are pumping the buying out of the lake. Yeah, ive got to, you mentioned that cuz my initial assumption on this was Climate Change. But in each one of these lakes, as i looked into it, that didnt seem to be the main corporate. Whats happening there in utah currently with, with the like, why is it dropping . Yeah, youre totally right. And its interesting because, you know, Climate Change, utah, we live in a super dry place, the drought, it doesnt help, but really a lot of the water that should be going to the lake is getting diverted to agriculture, to communities, um, to lots of different places. So all of the rivers that should be flowing into Great Salt Lake are going elsewhere and i was that the same situation of like, oh my god, this has things like that could have been changed as well. Busy the, there is there a remarkable similarities would be like, Great Salt Lake and lake room. Yeah. And not only about the major causes of the League System collapse of, you know, that the 2 lakes are, are very similar in nature about the depth, you know, the, the water strap, you know, the drainage base and theyre elevation and everything. And just like in the case of the great salt salt. Busy egg in lake room. Yeah. We have uh dealt with a large number of dam Construction Projects and a rapid agricultural Expansion Projects and poor Water Management that has shopped this river of up and deprived of the water it needs to survive. Because this is essentially a terminal lake, so its like a your bolus a serial that youre going to use in the morning. So if you dont. Busy uh, keep feeding the lake with water. Evaporation is going to counter the that all the water that, that, that comes in and you start losing lake volume and lake area. This is exactly whats happened in the lake room. Yeah. And theres been agricultural demand thats been rolling and there is a widening gap between water supply and demand and so base and as the basement is essentially water bankrupt. So we have exceeded the hydrologic carrying capacity of the base and to support those human activities. And also sustain and maintain this great salts, the ecosystem, and the lake, and with all the services that it provide. So our are you, are we at a Tipping Point with like our me that its cant come back or we have practically reached that Tipping Point. But again, this is a system that in geological time scales has survived. So we have the, let the system work as it would naturally. So the, the lake can accumulate the water that it needs that it can, it can come back up. And, and that if, if youre able, thats a very big ask because of all these human activities and all the Economic Activities surrounding the how the water was diverted and the new agricultural activities a that are being supported by that but by that waters. But if we manage to get the water back into the legs, the legs can come back. Maybe, you know, in a, in a, in a gradual state and not, not over, not, not within the next a couple years but, but eventually there, there was hope. So were not completely giving up on the future of this lake and there actually had been major lakes that it disappeared. Impacted was one down in bolivia, lake purple. Let me here. Check this out. Seems to be who are the people that being left with outlines we trusted in late group of our parents trusted in the lake that it would stay forever. But it didnt. The lake dried up, all of a sudden and left us without the job doing visits and they have to get up where we have been often we have no jobs or sources of employment. Where do we go . Where do we find a job . We being forced to become prickly as they labor as well. The hood capital for other people. It hasnt been easy. Uh yeah. Whats the timeline on the dead sea there . How many years are you looking at if it keeps going at this rate . So we still have time in order to save it because like the other 2 lakes that were discussing here the, the day to lake is about 300 meters deep. So um we still have uh some, some way to go before it is completely uh, dried dried up. So we have at least the century and probably much more than that depends um how fast the industries will come to their brine. And if its more, its fresh Water Resources will be used by the people leaving in the around the lake. So, um, but its the same, the same issue as ali said the before at its a, its a, its all a matter of this balance between the fresh Water Resources that used to flow into the legs and the evaporation. That if you are comfortable to somehow have a decision or a plan that is made International Labor love and National Level to save these a these legs and you can bring some of the water back, then you can start realize these lakes on um, on a staple lake level and carly, in the Great Salt Lake is not as deep as the dead sea. Right. You, you recently went out there and we have some photos you shared with us. We kind of walk us through what were looking at. Im going to share these photos with, from my computer here. And what are we looking at . Yeah, so these are microbial lights and you should be under water when theyre healthy. They are. They kind of look like, like her, like astro turf. Its the screen and fluffy map full of life. And so you know what, one of our students here, were trying to find that life there, but its just, its just not there right now. And so again, all of that should be under water. So for us, you know, again just a couple of inches, the could be such a big issue and it is interesting to hear um yeah, ill talk about the timeline for the dead sea because thats where Great Salt Lake was where, you know, we were trying to push the issue of its trying, its trying help help help. But then you know, now that were at just a couple of years now that its like such a, a bigger issue. But i had to wish that it was being talked about in this way. 10 plus years ago. And you know, i think one is about brine shrimp. Maybe people dont find it as compelling, but were talking about a lot more than just brine shrimp. Actually this is kevin perry. Hes a professor of atmospheric scientist at the university of utah. O for lake has receded, it has expose more than 800 square miles of lake bed. And just to put that into perspective 800 square miles is about the same surface area as the island of maui in hawaii. And this expos lake bed. When the, when the strong and the lake bed is dry, it listen dust off of this lake bed and pushes it into the surrounding communities. If you breeze that dust over an extended period of time, like decades are longer then it can lead to increases and different types of cancer like lung cancer, bladder cancer, cardiovascular, disease, diabetes, and such. So when you start to hear Health Concerns like that for humans, has that elevated the concern of the health of the lake there and Salt Lake City . Absolutely. You know, i talk about the brian fly and there larva not doing well and im like, sees the flies theyve. A flies and, you know, people nod but it, it doesnt really strike them. But any time you talked about somebodys own health in their community, its that its, its dire which it is. And thats what we want it. Um. But once, you know, once it becomes a problem to me, once it becomes problem to my family, thats when people start to care. So, you know, were happy that its something that is being talked about and theres more changes that are happening. And theres, theres more to it then, then just that just as well with that eco system as a, as a scientist. Thats what a biologist, thats what im mostly concerned about. But now is there is there movement in iran to try to reverse the course with lake or mia as well. Busy lake or me as a shriek, as was uh, literally uh, in a more moments of awakening in, in a garage, Environmental Activism like people are paying a lot of attention to the, to the face of this lake. And people actually care more about the Environmental Issues in general because, you know, the media is covering the, the issues more and of course, you know, for a long time just touching uh, the issue of the major cause of, of these uh dislike and. Busy the way, uh, you know, there was confusion about the major cause, you know, was it, is it climate driven . Is it something that we are doing to mess up the system and uh, for a long time, uh, the predominant narrative was that, you know, Climate Change is responsible for this, like the disappearing and, but weve, weve done our analyses, you know, the water water balance analysis and weve done computer simulations removing all the dams that were built on in the space and, and, and we have shown that if you, if you do, these dams were built in the numbers. They are a, you know, the lake would have survived. It would, it would never fall below the ecological threshold thats been designated. Busy for it, although it would have the, the natural fluctuations of drought hands of the fact that, you know, there are, there is evidence from other lakes around the. Busy there are similar legs in, in other countries that they not only not declined and they have actually gained some area and, and, and thats the very good evidence to show that, you know, we really have to revisit how were managing these legs. If we are serious about keeping them for, for us and for future generations to enjoy them as well. Are those dams for producing power or for creating other lakes for donald lee, they are, theyre built to supply irrigation, water and, and with that have come, you know, a change in propping pattern. So there is more water henry crops and, you know, whatever youre. Busy with them you planned for some plan for it to support some activities and of course those demands form around that. So basically, or overloading a base in a, you know, with the, with the new demand that you create to the point that he can, we can artificially create this water bankrupt system. And at that point, things become very difficult to manage. We have seen that on the fold in lake room. Yep. Ready so yeah, it strikes me that with the other 2 lakes in question here, there are easier Political Solutions than perhaps in dealing in the area of the world here in can you talk about some of the Politics Around trying to say the, the, the density or at least change the course its on so the Water Resources into the dead sea, they are all between the jordan palestine and israel. So uh and the um, and this is a region that is very stressed in terms in terms of, um, um, in terms of Water Resources, its relatively dry and the population is that its crowded. So every drop of water that is flowing in the jordan river, someone needs it and need to use it. So any. So if you will be able to have any decision on a national or any agreement between these uh, different states. Uh you will need a very it in collaboration and agreements that add to let the water flow into the jordan river and then flow into into the dead sea. And. And as you probably know, this region has a political issues that are not on the that the water issues in this, in this region. So it is definitely complicated. Sure. It was looking at our youtube audience. And there, theres a lot of talk about recycled water. Sounds like a brilliant idea to me says our art ed mohammed, its a new c says recycled water is not a new concept as part of Water Conservation. We have a video comment from a Water Conservation is named mans or wind window who is in cashmere. Check this out. You know what a beautiful cash feed we have set on just by taking rooms of mountains and veggies. Unfortunately, the beauty of rec, chance and waterboard is for the last 3 declared southern shambles. Its time for the united of thoughts to suit the people has bought a suspicion is must or need to bring consciousness sauce in all work behavior door to somebody in a way to make my dream is to shift the golden fishes daughters. Just touching shut out. I have to sign my going to to bar dispatch and these for the rewards and directions. And carla, we have another video comment. This is from a journalist of the navajo times named alice terribly that. So i that i, that i want to share and get you to comment afterwards. The parts to prevent the class of the Great Salt Lake is the inclusion of indigenous voices and how to be salt lake isnt incest, of the body of water to do the people, which is where im from, the navigation or the you. It goes, you or the sicilian people, and i feel like those conversations from what ive been gathering in the community here is the best thing. And those conversations need to be amplified and centered because whats preventing the lake from going from ecological class . We need to be at the table to offer solutions to the community. So currently i obviously was saying basically that he feels like the Indigenous People are at the table. The tribes, he mentioned the youth is just showing the navajo it, is that the case . Whats happening there . Yeah, i mean, i agree we have, we have contacts with those tribes, but it is a, it is a missing piece of the puzzle for sure. And i know that with some um, like tech teams of different committees that are run through state agencies, weve been pushing to get those indigenous voices to be a part of those groups which theyre not right now. So, i mean, i dont, i dont have the solution because it, theres so many factors, but i completely agree that there is, is a missing piece. And a hole in this, in this puzzle. And its a community that needs to be the um, at the table. Mm. Hm, um, like alistair was saying, so i know that theres some things in place to get that ball rolling, but its nowhere near. We need to be right now. I like you talk to us about some recommendations for solutions as well. What other recommendations was the, brought up a by one of yours . You know, its a, its essential to, uh, you know, not use, uh, water is a disposable product, you know, in, in other words, we need to treat the waste water and make sure it gets to the lake, you know, in anything that can help us increase the water supply into the lake is going to be a major part of the solution. And another obvious piece is reducing water consumption in agricultural areas, you know, with using better irrigation technology, higher efficiency irrigation technology, and also making sure that the water savings there actually are used to revive the leg and not going to new Agricultural Land expansion and create you know, contributing to increasing consumptive water use in the, in the base and, and as open bought. The bottom line is we have to recognize the rights of these legs. And you know, the environmental rights of these legs as, as, as a user of water. And as important as social ecological systems, and uh, make sure that they get the water they need. Why and then let me just been, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, i just want to know like how do you tell people that this actually matters, that its important . Like whats the big why as well. Busy the Public Health aspect as a major deal and in the last Economic Opportunities the, the. Busy prism thats gone. Busy thats a big deal and, and people, uh, you know, that these lakes have important, important says in, in, in the pop culture, you know, in the, in the, you know, the people have created memories around these legs and in but, but essentially, you know, this is a side of how, how well you can manage. Busy busy a Natural Resource and, and its a perfect perfect indication of a collapsing water, governess structure. Of course, in the case of that c, things are a lot more complicated because we have, you have to trans boundary elements and, and, and the complex and everything. But you know, were talking about in, in, in the case of great site, well salt lake or lake or mia. These are, you know, close to there all these bases. Busy are located within the jurisdiction of one single country. I mean, of course, you know that the water government is going to be, have hazard, or theres a, there are many, many different agencies involved. But historically, stakeholders have not been engaged in how the Development Path was, was being envisions. And in the case of lake were mia, you know, there was a, an obviously water dependent tap that. Busy you know, took this lake away from all. Busy people. Busy in that region who cared about it and, and other people that, that sought value in, in, in wanting to visit an in far away city is that the, the amount of they didnt want up. They dont want to deal with the dust storms and, and the Health Effects of it. So, i mean there, there is a lot of the Good Intention to and reason to, to want to uh. Busy 5, these i know thats a compelling argument. Alley i, i want to thank you and you know, and partly for being on the show today. And then one of the most important things weve heard here about these lakes that are disappearing is it can be changed and its actually man made issue. 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