A few months old, with big ponds, the transform its waterfront into cultural hubs. Cut, his goal is to extend its impact. Far beyond that people walt cup lore about man, the al jazeera, doha. Ah, im, lets take you through some of the headlines here now. Jesse are now fighting in the dumbass region as intensifying as russian and Ukrainian Forces fight to recapture last territory. Russia has continuously shelled the cities of nikolai of, and bach mote leaving a trail of destruction. Al jazeera, as i said, beg was in chrome, a task in the done yet screeching a little earlier. He tells us more about the russian attacks. This was hit in the early hours of yesterday morning and its not far from where were staying. In fact, we had the air raid sirens go off. We had the loud thuds, and then we felt the shockwave who was staying the wolves actually shook or that team was woken up. And then we came here in the morning and the fire was still raising. Now, if i could just show you that this seems to be a factory a warehouse, it was hit by 3 missiles. Just around the corner from here is a massive crater that one of those missiles has left tank billionaire la mosque has completed his takeover of twitter and fired the companys top executives before before 1000000000. 00 deal and the 6 month sa grove. Im off attempt to buy the social media platform form of pakistani Prime Minister in ron khan, and his supporters marching on the capital to call for the election. They started the 380. 00 cologne to walk to slam, abide in the eastern city of the hor, hunt that down after losing and no confidence in a from northern islands. Regional government is on cold through 2nd election in a year. Politicians were unable to restore a devolved government in the province, which is part of the u. K. Before midnight deadline. This family, the democratic unionist party, is blocking the move as it protest, post trade arrange all for joint bozier headlines. The news continues on al jazeera after the stream. Which side is winning payoff or control guy . What does the new forever prompt more mean for america and nato . As long as americans keep consuming prices are going to keep going up. Why didnt joe biden see inflation comic . How do we get so much raw . The quizzical good us politics, the bottom line with. Hi, anthony ok. Thanks for watching the stream. By november, the 15th, there will be 8000000000 human beings in the well, thats according to protection by united nations. So some questions that i have. How do we respond to being one in a 1000000000 . How will, how do we maintain a decent quality of life for all of us and then what happens after 8000000000 humans in the world . Those are the questions i have for an expert panel. Im sure you have questions to austin as well. The Comment Section is right here on youtube, be part of todays chat. Ah, hello rachel and jennifer and alex is so good to have this expert panel here today on the stream. Rachel, please say hello to our audience around the well, tell them to you on what you do. I funny greetings talk. My name is dr. Rachel snow, and im the chief of population and development at the u. N. Population fund based in new york, and we support census and how to use census data in more than a 130 countries across the world. Hello jennifer, welcome to the stain. Tell the viewers around the welt, you on what you day. Hi phemie. Im so glad to be here. Im dr. Jennifer schubert. I am a scholar at the Woodrow Wilson center and author of the new book, 8000000000 and counting how sex death and migration shape our world. Thanks for being with us and alex, welcome back to the stream. Get to see you again. Remind our audience who you are and what you day. I thank you family. Thank you for having it by. Im a professor global health. I dont, i school of Public Health director university and my daughter. Im a demographic by trending. And previously i found an executive director of the African Population HealthResearch Center in my b. And i also saw on the un high level Advisory Board for clinical social affairs. I guess its really hard for me to grapple with what 1000000000 people looks like, what that feels like. Well, i feel different on november, the 15th, and i do right now, rachel. No, you wont. In civil terms. Yeah, this has been a while coming. And yeah, you wont feel much on the 15th of november. Jennifer, when we talk about a number like 8000000000. If youre studying population, then you knew it was coming. I remember at school we were usually worried about how many more billions of people can, can survive on the earth. And he, we our 8000000. What does that mean for most of us . How should we think about that number . Well, you know, i also remember studying this in school, and actually i think thats how i ended up making career career out of studying population. Because, to rachels point, you know what we feel any different. I remember sitting in 1999, i think it was october 15th 1999 in a College Classroom in atlanta where im from and my professor was late to class that day. And then she paused in the door and had a black arm band on, and she marched into class and said, today World Population has had 6000000000 people. This is a travesty. I never had kids. You shouldnt either. And so i think for many people theres this sense that every time we hit a 1000000000, this is it, were about to, its like were going to tip over the edge. You know, when youre pouring something in a bowl and youre just waiting for it to spill over. But here we still are, which i think is a really good thing for us to remember. Ive, ive seen a few 1000000000 in my life time, and i like to think of myself is pretty young. So i dont think we have to look at this is some doomsday. Finally arriving, alex does not moving lumber. Mean anything to somebody who studies demographics. Like you knew this number was coming, you want to scan what it means. Doesnt give you pools. Oh, thanks. I knew not necessarily doesnt give me that pause. It just simply means that it is a 1000000000 november you fin by now november 6 digits will be at be on a something. And by 26 it would be 10400000000. So we will continue to grow as we go forward, is just them in many ways, but my sense is that it is also a time for us to pick a deeper look at what does that really mean for us as human wrist . Im just looking at some of the comments we have for matthew is around the world. This is about the shame. And publishers says, the world isnt overpopulated. Its just a matter of management. Rachel, youre nodding out a lot. Indeed indeed, i would, i would not. And i also want to point out that the, the growth of the population is slowing down. You know, the pace at which the world was growing, peaked in 1964 in. So weve been declining in terms of the pace. You know, its, were less than were growing by less than one percent per year. Weve got, i think, 53 countries in the world that are now and population decline. China, for example, 1400000000 is peaking this year. And by 2100 here, projected to be down to 800000000. So it things are turning, the pace is slowing. This is really important. I think its going to give us time to, to catch up. One way i do think i see why people feel like this though. I mean, i think ill all through all 3 of us are used to people throwing doomsday scenarios at us. Because while we know these global trends, and im sure all 3 of us are on the same page with wanting to emphasize the slowing pace of growth in population aging. I know that for some people it can feel really different. And thats because that 8000000000 number disguised as the diversity of trends around the world. And weve really never been so far apart and terms of our birth and death and, and even migration trends. And so, you know, there are areas in the world where fertility is still very high population growth as high people feel the environmental strains that come from a very basic relationship between people and the environment around them. So for me find my come in here, i think also one of the things that we would need to Pay Attention to is the understand the the and bin musts, a huge diversity that we currently experience across different parts of the world. Ah, just just yet ive known we have more than 40 countries, uncovered trees that are experiencing, publish on decline on all traditional preop for yoko mission and focus on the rugby populace. Shame growth has clouded dark. Thinking to clearly understand the implications of these divergent trends that we are seeing around the world. That there are as many countries having publish on decline and it will continue to be an issue going forward. So to the controversial grow, i dont want to dimensional for to conscious can think of as a couple of examples of countries where that population is going dal. Oh, if you think forest i said place like salts, korea, its population is currently at 52000000. 00. It is for objected to be 24000000 by well, 2100. Last time south korea was in the 24000000 people was in the 50s. So it is a massive change that will be. Busy occurring in a number of countries by 2015 more than a few countries on territories will be experiencing population decline. Right, so i see united a highly interesting when we think about the um you know, putting juxtaposing south koreas change over time with some of the places where population is still growing. Because on the flip side of that, there 8 countries in the world that will account for more than half of World Population growth between now and 2050. And one of those is egypt, which, you know, egypt leadership had famously compared egypt population to south korea as many decades ago and, and are in 2008. And had noted that many decades ago both countries had similar population sizes. And then that just totally went into different directions. After that i think that the diversity that both jennifer and alex are, are emphasizing. Its like, hugely important. I think its really part of the big story for the a 1000000000 is were so diverse. And another example of that is that europe, on, after like the median age in europe, is close to 4541. 00 and a half. The median age and her in africa is 17. And so its not just the, the pace of growth is really different in these countries, but we have very different age structures. So, you know, you, you want to understand and kind of create a global community. But were looking at governments and countries here that are dealing with very different populations in terms of age. And so the thinking may be different and we, thats going to text them, diplomacy, and some effort between us to have a more unified response to global crises. I want to bring a new voice into our conversation, and this is a professor of Global Development at cornell university. Alex, im going to play this comment for you, and id really be interested on where you take the idea. Next, the kids part faith a 1000000000 population is an important milestone, but what it means is going to vary quite a bit across countries. In developing regions where population is still throwing, one main concern is going to be inequality. The paraphrase tend to decline in most of african countries from the top down. And what that means is you have an increasing concentration of agility among the poor. And at a time when the level of education, that rising, where the quality of education in the course of education is rising. What that means is that youre going to have increasing differences in the Educational Opportunities that are available to children in the upper tier of the Income Distribution compared to children who come from families that are poor. Thanks tony. I think the a couple of days to break down here in what buffet indicates that the 1st is if you look at the countries where fidelity is still very high, women us the have in many children like 4 fi, 6 in the country like near our dear congo or malley, where their rates of growth of the population is a 3 percent or more. It means that that population is doubling every 20 years or so in this year. Actually every 18 years, india or congress about every 21 years. So within that period, it is very difficult, nearly impossible for that country to be able to double the investments they are making in health, education, nutrition, jobs, all the things that constitutes well being. And whom am i, in professing human, are capacity and, and, and, and those improvements. So induct instance, then you, it is difficult to maintain the quality of life as it is a you need to be able to double those investments and capacity over the short period of time than it in the current levels of fin, adequate coverage of health and education and all that, so does the problem the other big challenge, i think when people think about it 1000000000 is the fact that there is a significant shift and we had these populations are based on look at said currently africa accounts for about 18 percent of the global population i is projected to get about 2425 percent by 2050 and 46 percent by 2100. So when you look at thats oh statistic and you didnt think about it all. Nearly one in 2 people in the world will be in africa. What does that mean for Global Governance and for equity and for all of, and how can we want alex . What does that . What does that mean . Does that mean that africa will be the most powerful continent in the world . What it will mean, different case for different people . And again, for me, i say its not a question of whether we are for the normal 4600000000, or 6000000000 africans is the question of what quality of people eyes. I did all the educated how deep productive citizens are sick and on the educated im on for. And so that really matches. And for me, that point about countries, huge journey, high rates of growth of the pop mission currently is the ability to make the necessary investments in improving human quality would be constrained by the rate of growth i. Yep. Was shot. Honestly. I alex, i, he thats, theres so much we can talk about just on the continent of africa. Im going to push on that just a little bit because if we know our population is growing, we know this is happening, planning an oven. Paling is going to be absolutely critical. Rachel, i want you said you said rubbing kin because robin king has a thought and then build off. Robins thought a, she is been planning should be more participatory with citizens of different ages, social groups, ethnicities and different geographic locations within the city. So that everyone together can create a vision of what they want. The city be tomorrow to generations from now, 5 generations from now is there been planning deals with infrastructure thats going to last a very long time beyond the generations of, of the folks that are involved in it right now. In addition, the process should help us educate each other about what sustainable Consumption Patterns really are, so that we can leave the planet better for future generations. Well, shes right that there needs to be more collected planning but, but even to plan from a single government, youve got to have excellent data. And in part of why we push the census and we need to make these, you know, population. And since its happening, happening around the world is because, you know, governments absolutely need to be able to project to what is coming in the next 23 decades. There was a great start from, from, or frightening step from the world bank. I came across recently and had said, goodness that Something Like across the continent of africa. You know, the infrastructure for education at the moment can only accommodate about 40 percent of school age children. And as alexs, we have more and more children who will be coming in in the region. So, you know, investment is crucial. Urban ization is happening quickly. We need excellent data, we need planning, we need a participatory planning, and we need a global engagement. Its true, its going to be very, very difficult for governments to do this alone. I am to what is called at be in the field of demography though. I mean im sure raphael, alec feel the same way. We have a we stand out among the trends because we can see the future and other people cant. And its because so many people of the future are already born. So when you think about the planning that needs to happen, i totally agree with rachel that we need more data. But the good news is, its not as if we have no idea how many kindergarten classrooms will need and for years how many seats on that. So we, knowing how we could look it up there today at, but all, various governments and various communities. Are they planning, knowing that youre right. I didnt think of it like that. Well, youve got children in kindergarten or nursed real genius, go, you know what, what theyre gonna need out of their life time. Are you seeing that because you may, will be out to see the future, but you can also see disaster coming to you can, i mean, you know, and, and i think this is where i am. I always emphasize to people that the same population trend and 2 Different Countries can look completely different. So a couple of communities that i know that are planning for this is the National Security community. They can look at those kindergarten classrooms today and think about their potential recruiting pool for the military, you know, in just 15 years or so. So, you know, theyre well aware of this and they take a long view on things anyway. But if we look at Something Like social security, you know, we dont exactly know what age people will retire, that people might think that they do, but it differs widely around the world that the average age of workforce exit and france is 61 years. But in japan, its 71 years. And so, you know, we can differ even among old countries. And so some of these rules of the game or institutions like in a democracy, its really hard to change policy because voters say yet no thanks. Were not doing that, but in, in countries that are aging, but they dont necessarily give the people voice and changing policy. You actually might see retirement policies and ages increased much faster. Or i guess im gonna also 27. So you able me, alex, if it, if, if i make, i want to bring in our audience who watching, because often they have misconceptions about what the population growth means. And im going to give you each 30 seconds to answer a question like this. Or i can so how many people can the of sustain alex dont take that one. Thank you. I dont welcome is not a simple answer. Yes, its not a function of the behavior of the people that are on a mission saying to us is different from measure. It depends on our consumption by chance. It depends on how a productivity as a group on all of these fuck does matter. I think with increase in their quantity it makes it how that the sauce 10 much larger population. But if we have it, it was the size in many ways we can support a whole lot long. A summers asked fest the world is over populated or says things will never get better. Its too late. Rachel instant reaction. Not at all. Not at all. 8000000000 peoples 8000000000, potentially brilliant new ideas that will increase Food Production that will figure out new very cool ways for people to learn on the internet that will think about, you know, ways to multiply the number of teachers. Its, im much more optimistic on this this, this is poor on, on youtube is watching us right now. Jennifer po says that government planning question mark. Those individuals who make up government cant see beyond the next election cynicism from the chief who would have thought it. I actually dont disagree with paul. Is that my husband paul a yes. And thats why i tend to be. Im also an optimist in general. But if theres anywhere that the pessimism starts to sneak and it actually is when we think about democracy and how hard it is to change policy now. And that is because elected leaders have the short term views. However, i will say that even something simple like just to stick on retirement for a 2nd because it really does matter. Official retirement age is one thing, but there are all sorts of rules. A whole rainbow of rules around ways that people are able to exit the workforce and sometimes you can get some play at the margins that make a big difference in the overall trend. Lets just have a look at what riah added to our conversation. She joined us a little bit earlier on and, and told us this, and were looking at managing and impact. 8000000000 people have this population grows instantly, mine to hold on to food and energy increase. So this naturally means that Greenhouse Gas emissions will increase as well. But it wont be that high, particularly if the level of consumption is kit, say at the naval low Income Countries today. So that you have a sion Climate Change is likely to be to increase income level rather than not high think what, why is it there was telling a lot of the angst in our audience and around the world where people are thinking so many of us on this of how can they of possibly sustain it . I am going to look ahead now to 2050 and where the population will be in 2050. And you are well ahead of me. So lets do this together. Guess estimated, well, population by 2050 will be 9700000000 and then what part of the world will see the biggest grow fell across the african continent expected to contribute more than half of this population increase. But populations of 61. 00 countries are projected to decrease by one percent or more. And then heres the good news. We dont really talk about the good news so much. Its important. Average global life span by 2050 will increase to around 77. 2 years, which is up about 4 years from where it is currently. And jennifer, this is, this is the good news of this. 8000000000 is the reason why there are so many people in the us is because were healthier and living longer as well as babies being born in some parts of the world. That thats more than one thing happening here. That we should be celebrating that while we were living so long and we should be celebrating population aging. I mean, i think theres a tendency to whatever the trend is. People think, well thats just bad news. Yeah, there are times in history. There are too many people and then there are times are too few people. Its like goldilocks on the port its. Its never just right. So when i see numbers about population aging, i think how fantastic women and partners are able to choose how many children they want, theyre able to act on that. It is generally an indicator that there is widespread education. That quality of life is high and that people are living longer. Well, lets not be upset about that, especially when weve wrung our hands over high fertility for decades. Well, now were saying wait, theres too many people. And i think also we have to be careful because one thing that has come up so far is who gets blamed for all of this. Its typically women. The women are having too many or too few children. So when people say over population, i think they want to say its those women over there who are having too many children, and they dont think about their own role in their own consumption and, and their lifestyles. That a some yeah i do, i do want to can i jump in yet though for that . Yeah, i just want to jump in an in the comment that lets remember that there are still millions of women who dont have access to modern contraception. Who dont have access to still primary education, who if they get pregnant at 14 or 15, are not able to finish school. So we do still have quite a bit of work to do in terms of assuring as jennifer was sort of just alluding to, we want to have a world where everybody can choose the number and the timing of children. Theres no question thats good for kids. Its good for communities its, its great for everyone. Yeah. But, but it isnt the case at this juncture. Still we have, you know, something in the round at like 200000000 people who still dont have full access to reproductive rights. I chose erotic appointments, but no one else facing tackle the station and that is frauds. His voice who ends on the point that you just made it. Our population continues to grow by 8000000 people pyre, which should be consent, Climate Change, deforestation, water and Food Shortages pollution as well as by with a varsity loss which would never talk enough about our all becoming difficult to manage with our ever increasing numbers. Additionally, the people were affected the most by brewing population and the young girls on women was possibly the child barrows unco drawers. Can we do anything above this . Yes, we can bring the numbers down. We can do positive, ethical, as well as Cost Effective things that can benefit human beings, as well as tech pressure of our planet is, is such a huge topic. I would happy speak to rachel and jennifer and alex whenever our, i dont have that ties. I just have time to say thank you so much for helping us understand what 8000000000 people on the earth actually means in reality. Thank you for joining our conversation today. 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