Speed monitors if you're going towards the a 3 hour long the a $27.00 so that's the westbound side partly blocked there I'm seeing a roundabout a 3 mile queue approaching that section Also I'm looking at the lace on the a 3 around Guilford passing off the Milford towards the cathedral turn that northbound stretches very slow but the halls of the triangle the I $31.00 and around pop and very slow on that stretch don't have any reports of any issues and up by flake Well I think the road works again eastbound on the by Fleet rides coming off of planes here that looks slow as well at the moment I'm Gary Scott the b.b.c. Travels and. The salary and Face Time show this is previous season every week. I am going to give you the length of Brian Adams rec hold to gather your thoughts on your view on facial recognition technology. Gather my thoughts during that time as well listen my phone uses it to unlock itself when it looks at me it's kind of cool very clever work pretty reliably What about though out there on the streets what's the difference between police using it and private sector people using it how is the technology used in other countries what are our rights under the g.d.p. Our data rules to know who's taking pictures of our face does it work accurately enough to be used by say law enforcement they go a few things to ponder on we discuss it next with Dr Stephanie who is doing the talking about facial recognition technology tonight to join us after Brian Adams on I still a great record isn't it Bryan Adams I'm running to you stand by for today's rewinds coming up in an hour's time I got a song by Prince in there today. Apollo festive Chuen in there as well so that's Ok we were in the festive season there given that it's fine to play that and put a Wet Wet Wet as well can you guess a mystery a coming up on the rewind in an hour's time on a give you a few more minutes to gather your thoughts about whether you like facial recognition technology what if you choose to keep us safe what if it's used to spawn us and find out exactly where we are your thoughts on facial recognition technology that will come back to that in a couple of seconds just following up from a conversation the 1st on the program today are students talking about getting to vote for the 1st time Lucy in peace Haven says listening to the students earlier was very enlightening I would have them in government on nearly 80 but would trust their views above anything else at the moment says Lucy interesting to thank you for sending that 1333 in the text start your message with the word right and. We also discovered that we're now using around $54.00 so-called bags for life a year from the supermarket which it was and what they were invented for where they buy get it you have to pick something up and perhaps if it's more than a couple of things then you need a carrier bag so the supermarkets aren't giving out for free anymore which is good but the 10 p. Ones perhaps there's an attitude of well I need a bag now and it's only 10 p. Let's have a bag. What if they were 70 pay or a pound would that make a difference and their thing is do you throw away your bags for life because they are a bit more robust aren't they so actually we've got quite a lot of those in the drawers or homes or at least they're not ending up in a landfill moving landfill being incinerated or ending up in the sea so there's just the production of them to worry about I guess from our point of view we don't tend to throw away many of them anyway some views on that sort of grant him brighten Hello Grant Hello yeah your views on the bags for life and whether we need to do more to discourage using lots of them. I think yeah maybe proper charge but I think the lady that was on the phone earlier yes chance of Asia is just so I don't know I mean I reuse my bags for life even if I haven't got handles on my reason to pack up the spare pillows under the bed reuse and to pack up Christmas decorations I just think you know it's I don't throw them away so she's not talking to you she is preaching to the converted she's from a campaign group as well a plastic planet highlighting that that sort of non-sensory that's mostly back to life we're buying lots of them and that's clearly not a strong enough incentive is what they say to stop us using them as it's just everyday items No I mean I don't reuse all my bags for life I never buy a plastic bag you know ever since a 5 p. Charge I mean I know it sounds a bit ridiculous but a Presto. Thing you know you saves it with buying 54 bags for life here at 10 p. H. There's a fiver you've got now I mean but I just don't agree with what she said Ok it's all . But she did to she raise a good point though that it's a nonsense if we're supposed to be discouraged from using lots of plastic bags because we're being charged for them and actually we're still going well it's only 10 people have won anyway we haven't quite got the message have we. Know we haven't got quite got the message I mean you know. If people want to do it that's that's a choice I mean frankly grant your job I mean who's thought of putting pillows away for safekeeping in a bag full life in the supermarket I certainly haven't but perhaps we just need to think a little bit harder so many things to think hard about and there. That the problem it seems hasn't gone away because of but having said that you know those kind of single use ones that used to get loads of when you're doing your shopping at least they got rid of having like yeah yeah definitely just been honest you know we are using crazy amounts of us Ok very good Grant thank you very much indeed let's bring a couple of texts on this Wendy says I've been using my bags for life for at least 5 years and they're the same ones I showed no signs of giving up anytime soon that is good Wendy thank you Carolyn Seaford says co-op are introduced biodegradable bags for 5 pens I endeavor to never buy a plastic bag and always keep them fold them up with me surely supermarkets could follow the co-op in case you get caught out and need one thank you Carol in Seaford keep thoughts coming here's 1. 171 armed forces. The Faria thanks for your Texas morning we will speak on the program the last few days about in excess in a film version of the early ninety's concert Wembley. In last night in loads of screens across our area Mike says we went to a screening of the in excess concert a Guilford Thanks for making us aware of it they were so good up the audience says Mike the feria Yes up the album and also it was a great concert and you forget really with the passing of time what a great front man proper rock n roll from man that Michael Hutchence was interesting that Tim and Kirk guitarist alongside him had sort of read eighty's power suit on Michael Hutchence just like a dead sexy rock star so even nearly 30 years later that look as an dated he still looked proper rock star glad you enjoyed that Mike thanks tracing Crawley said regarding plastic bags Sainz was now charged 20 pence repaired for life hopefully this price increase will discourage people buying them on facial recognition which is what we're talking about next this is Mel the vet nurse in Brighton I don't worry about facial recognition as I haven't got anything to hide and I haven't done anything wrong Ok and the back for life I might my own from scraps of material says Mel in Brighton keep thoughts coming 1333 Start your message with radio Yes we talk facial recognition in just a 2nd have you heard break 1st 1st sorry in ne Hampshire I listen because you are interesting and you give me great travel information which is always useful when Julie is going to. Say Ok travel just say Ok travel you always really positive in the morning which is just what we need in the mornings especially when it's wet and windy and cold and wake up to a break 1st with James Cameron and Leslie McKay I don't have anything on my. Part of c.b.c. Weekday mornings from 6 James Cameron and Leslie Mackay b.b.c. Salary. Straightforward question perhaps it's got tricky or several answers how do you feel about facial recognition technology you may use it to unlock your phone or when you go through a passport control gate and it's being used more and more by police and private companies around the world but some M.P.'s and campaign groups are concerned about the use of live facial recognition for public surveillance so he Carlo is from the campaign group Big Brother Watch I for one think we don't want to live in a surveillance state so what we're doing is getting us to government and parliament to say please can we open this debate and have this conversation but we're going to say whilst * that conversation is going on we there is now a crisis of a this crisis on our hands and these are stopped urgently there are concerns that systems are vulnerable to buyers as well with research showing they're more likely to misidentify women and people with darker skin or chadri is from future acts of advocacy you could see a situation where you are identifying innocent individuals who are from a particular minority of people of color which means that they'll be questioned by the police even though they're innocent and they may even have their details and picture kept on record. Despite having committed no crime but those working on developing the technology say it can help to protect the public he is Zach Dorfman the c.e.o. Of digital barriers Plus think about some real world use cases so I am in the counterterrorism business and I know there are 5 individuals in central London where we're sitting right now that want to do harm and massive scale to the public when you have public support his facial recognition to try and intercept that group of individuals before they can do harm I would suggest almost categorically would listen to all that is Dr Stephanie hare a researcher and broadcaster working across technology politics and history Stephanie's giving a talk on facial recognition at the United Reformed Church in Oxted the seedling Good morning Dr Dr Hare Hello good morning hi Stephanie so those couple of points there so 1st of all sacked Doc documents saying you know this 5 people with ill intent in London with facial recognition we can track them and then before that saying well actually if you're misidentified and then your photos care even though you've done nothing wrong that isn't fair so is this a case of the technology being ahead of legislation. Well we could take it apart a number of ways on the one hand there is legislation and practices and rules that should prevent some of the abuses that we're currently seeing So for instance we know that the Home Office has been retaining the images of innocent people after they have been innocent people who are called unconvicted Parsons to use the phrase of the then Home Secretary Amber Rudd So this is where your face and up being taken and it's you know it's a biometric the same way that your d.n.a. And your fingerprints are and normally under normal police law if you are released without charge or if you end up not being convicted if you go to trial your you know you're innocent until proven guilty in this country therefore d.n.a. And fingerprints by law would have to be deleted but there's no such law for your face and your voice we haven't really written that down in Parliament yet it's not an fisheye law so the technologies that I had for it that the law does not allow for those things so what wound up being the case well they've been they've been given a chance they're supposed to have updated the biometric strategy starting in 2012 and you know here we are in 2019 and we have had the biometrics commissioner the Information Commissioner and the surveillance camera commissioner as well as the Science and Technology Committee in the House of Commons this summer say that this biometric strategy is not fit for purpose and needs to be done again and now we've had Lord Clement Jones in the House of Lords say that he's going to introduce a bill after the general election calling for a moratorium on facial recognition technology and a review of this technology because it is so problematic we've gone in quite the early his Stephanie on this one talked to us about the kind of reasons why police and private companies want to use facial recognition. Well we can see if you're a police officer or the security services you know in a perfect security world they would have. Have all of our biometric data and they would have access to all of our data online they wouldn't ever need a warrant to search our homes or our offices or our property because that's what a perfect security world would look like rights and we can we can see why that would be really useful it's just that we live in a liberal democracy and we've already made certain decisions about that so we don't just allow the police to come search our homes they have to get a warrant right that would be a violation of our civil liberties and it's an exception to search your home that's why you get the warrant from a judge and you need evidence to show probable cause the problem with something like your face or your voice or any other black body data is that it's not covered in law and therefore it's a bit of a Wild West free for all at the moment and of course private companies would love to get in on that because it's a multi-trillion dollar industry who should we be more worried by the states using this technology or private companies do you think. It's a false question actually we should be equally worried about both of them because one cannot exist without the other so the private sector is going to be building this tax for law enforcement and the security services but they're also going to be building it and using it themselves. Arguably there's greater pressure on the police to show transparency and accountability because they're funded by governments the private sector is really getting a free pass at the moment because no one's really monitoring them at all so they don't see my question are you doing it some of the answer my question is the private sector we should be more at what about them because they can do what the hell they like. Well except that the police have the possibility of doing state sanctioned violence right so you have to ask about probable harm so if you're in the United States for instance where the police are allowed to carry weapons and they already are over policing and having really quite problematic relations with certain communities imagine that they're using something like facial recognition technology that doesn't accurately identify members of the public now you've got a chain a case where the police could actually shoot someone kill someone based on flawed technology so it's a toss up really which one is worse though can you both do you harm but what you've also come to say there is actually the technology is not good enough to be fair to everybody as we heard in that clip earlier it can misidentify women and people with darker skin that's correct it's not good enough right now from a technical perspective but even when we solve that and we will solve that problem that's a technological problem that can be solved with enough data and training once that tech is up and running to a high degree of accuracy that leaves the social question unanswered that's the one that we really need our parliaments to you know once the election is over to focus on and say Is there a role for this technology in a liberal democracy and if so how are we going to put it on guard rails how are we going to monitor it I don't mean it off the election it's going to bricks it one way or the other so where does this starts when to the conversation when are we going to be honest about how much we're willing to give up about personal biometric data. And so we're all happy with it so we go Ok that you need to do that if you go . Well as I said Right now we know that Lord Clement Jones Timothy Clement Jones in the House of Lawrence has said he has confirmed that he is going to introduce this bill after the general election from the House of Lords 1st based on parliamentary procedure it would then go to the House of Commons so we would expect to see the Science and Technology Committee and the Home Office and the Justice Department take a real interest in this so this is a case of as much as just about all of us citizens waiting to be asked we also need to actively get involved so you can talk to your m.p. And ask them what their position is on that there is Big Brother and liberty in this country which are both doing great work that 8 of the Lovelace institutes the chairing institutes daughter everyone u.k. There's a lot of civil actors who are really on this and you get a lot of supports as a citizen if you wanted to seek out that information I would obviously be very happy to help answer questions from the public and the b.b.c. Is already put out tons of documentaries and radio programs showing the pros and the cons of this technology so it's time for us to have a national discussion and Stephanie this is what Mel the vet nurse said to us from Brighton she says she doesn't worry about facial recognition because she's got nothing to hide and hasn't done anything wrong and to be honest with you they won't be interested I mean if they catch a camera 50 top of her face on camera 50 times in one day doing that work in Brighton they're not in a kid then they're never going to look at it it's only when you've done something wrong that they you then have a look at where you've been what you've been doing. Well there's 2 responses I would have to that the 1st is we live in a liberal democracy so we don't have to prove that we have nothing to hide the police would have to prove that there's a reason for them to even investigate us so I would not want to kind of the wrong way around so they wouldn't bother looking at Mel's face if they didn't suspect what they do is there's just too much data to look at we don't know why they would be bothered to look at Mel's face or not but it's also not just about Mel 1st of all we don't know what ethnicity Mel is so she might actually be getting looked at a lot more than she realizes or if she's a member of a trade union or political group or any other reason she could be on any sort of watch list that she won't know about but 2nd we don't exist you know no man is an island Britons you know who John Donne the metaphysics is poet said all of us are linked into all of the data of everyone else in our network so perhaps it's not her who should be worried but her friends who happen to be journalists or lawyers or psychiatry or provide abortions right this is how we work now we're networked none of us are alone so it's not just about you it's about everyone you know and everybody has a reason to deserve and want privacy but even more than that in a liberal democracy we don't have to fight for that right it's already enshrined in our law what we need to do now is figure out can technology co-exist with liberal democracy and civil liberties is fascinated with peeling the onion his Stephanie is there a country in the world who's got it right yes. No. Insurance no . How about our rights on the g.d.p. Our Because there's you know. The e-mails I've been getting saying do you want to still stay in touch with all of that I mean is this covered by g.d.p. Or well this is where it is very unclear the Information Commissioner's authors office has a great website that I would draw anybody's attention to it explains that biometrics is a special category of data so normally no one should be able to take your biometrics without your consent so that means your face your voice anything except that like with any law it's got or any regulation in this case it has exceptions and one of the exceptions are things like in the public interest that means fighting crime and national security and that's where the g.d.p. Are falls down anyone walking around here in London has been experiencing c.c.t.v. For ages and some of those c.c.t.v. Have facial recognition capability no one asked our consent for that was our concern asked for c.c.t.v. Initially that's a great question that goes back to I think the 1990 s. And you know when I think I'll back you up I think I was a kid when I started coming around so yes interesting with a facial recognition you know Ok. So where do we go from here what. Are you skeptical about here or do you welcome the technology if it's well regulated. I am more focused at the moment on getting our parliament to do their job they can't kick the can down the road any more on this they've had you know as I said since 2012 to get the biometric strategy right and now we're heading into 2020 it's seriously just not good enough and they're exposing both the public to risk and the police services to risk because of course the police keep getting sued or threatened to be sued for even experimenting with this technology so we really need to get this right so I think before I get into that you know it's fun to use it to open your phone or not debate it's more a question of can we please just go big on this and figure out what is our view as a country are we a surveillance society or not quick couple of final points before we talk about your talk in Oxford tonight Crawley says that his wife works at a garden center where they're trying facial recognition Teligent technology for clocking on clocking off and it doesn't recognize is why because big glasses she's worried she might not get paid. Well this is a great question because this is a facial recognition technology is going to start becoming a worker's rights issue right so does his wife have the right to opt out of using facial recognition simply to clock in and out there's no need to use a biometric surveillance technology to do that task that's simply about somebody coming in and thinking that might be a way of being more accurate or maybe saving some money but you just illustrated a great way of this doesn't necessarily work the question I would use is why are you even using it in the 1st place in a garden sense until you glasses off Louise White and finally Claire says biometric and I thought the is already used Impossibles that information can be shared between various agencies is that right. Well a good question so in an airport that's not like a normal public space and that's a really interesting area we've all sort of agreed you know in a way that we would never like to be so you allow people yeah but we let people pop up past us down right to see if we're carrying a weapon and we let them in inspect all of our baggage and if we want we have to empty the entire thing out and someone search through our knickers like that that's just part of the sort of indignity of travel nowadays that does not mean necessarily that we would want to translate that kind of technology to the rest of our lives so in airports very much a sort of $1.00 to $1.00 transaction and arguably you're only using that passport to do that one transaction which is to get through security and get on that plane and if it needs to be shared because you know we want we want to fight terrorism if you need to keep an airport really secure you can argue and I'm not saying that I am I'm just saying you could argue that it's worth it in that case because the risk is so high that it's a proportionate response the problem is that then you know where do you draw the line is it going to be a bus stops and train stations is it going to be when people go and visit government offices is it going to be then the private sector will say well we want to be able to do facial recognition to keep our offices secure than schools because you know who doesn't want to protect children so the next thing you know you can official recognition everywhere so we just we want to have that conversation I don't want to tell people what's right or wrong what I want to do is raise these issues get us thinking about it and craft a leading response so that the United Kingdom leads the world in ethical law. Well wonder if you can sort that out in a couple of our site in oxygen United Reformed Church in Oxford what time the seeding Stephanie. Oh gosh I'm there for 633 meters that they're after Ok good thank you for chatting to us that I and I hope you get well isn't that conversation could go on and on because this one could have done as well but so we have to draw to the Rose sadly but thanks will speak again thank you very much cheers all the best Dr Stephanie hare their research and broadcaster working across technology politics and history giving a talk on facial recognition at United Reform Church in the ceiling and you can get tickets 10 pounds or 5 pounds for students we got tickets dot com slash Oxted sessions our weather and travel next b.b.c. Series 1st Sorry I'm northeast Hampshire. I was really interesting stuff loads to think about there. One to ponder later in the day our weather dry this morning with some sunny spells and cloud in places and then. Bring in some drizzle later in the day highs of 11 tonight Cloudy with rain or drizzle colder as well with lows of for tomorrow cloudy start then dry getting sunnier during the day feeling colder as well 9 degrees the high tomorrow and a 3 day outlook Saturday and Sunday a dry and cold weekend with plenty of sunshine and some cloudy spells to an east to northeasterly breeze so that we chill and Monday more bright and dry weather b.b.c. Series travel trailers. Destruction on the trains to tell you about here's Gary Scott with details Yeah buses replace trains between Kroeber and outfielders because these points problems being all going on all morning there are a 15 minute delays on trains reading to get we care ports it's because of the late finishing of the works there still bridge that's the a 22 long queue through the area because of the road works near a at Lingfield road pound Hill it's cross one road that's part blocked because of flooding by tween Oaks. Still closed between terminus road and Cavendish place it's circular it was actually. It's up because I'm told the lines that it is looking at the Better now have an only a $27.00 West fans are going towards the a 3 am is easing off gradually they're at the other cue that I've been watching on the cameras and the delays are certainly around the Guilford area coming up from around Milford towards Guilford like you saw only a 3 northbound about 4 miles of Q.'s now going towards a Federal Reserve the queues were there in the 1st place roadworks the length can see the cones there just by the. Back but there is a. Blocking the road as well so suddenly slow and sheep that that's a trying. Is heavy coming on to the and also very slow arounds of the parking area as well that looks heavy there Gary Scott the b.b.c. Travel center with travel updates 080587 want to enforce a b.b.c. Sorry travel you trust. Sorry even if it changes one has. Made a difference it was a wonderful day on Monday evening for our awards and listened to the highlights Sunday afternoon for 90 minutes to 11 got the rewind coming up after 11 o'clock news can you identify a mystery year Next up this is less threatening than talking about facial recognition which we were doing a few minutes ago because next we're talking teddy bears in particular old ones who've seen a bit of life a rather special bear is going up for auction next week a bear that was used the pillow joined the D.-Day landings its owner Tom Matthews from Stafford was given it by his father he received it from a Dutch woman who was stationed in the village in 1944 the bear also costs across the Rhine came on the shelf and took part in the Allies victory parade in Berlin it's expected to fetch up to $600.00 pounds so I've been thinking about bears as well as facial recognition and I've got some questions for you who's the oldest teddy bear in your home what scrapes they've been through what's missing how did it become detached What does it smell like how many children or adults for that matter of love that bear does it growl and why the hell do you think bears a good to come anyway you wouldn't do that in the real world would you write 1333 in the tech start your message with the word radio or give me a call with me is Chris little Dale from the Brighton toy museum how Chris hello hello let's start at the end there and work backwards wire pairs good to Carl if you try that in real life you'd be finished Yeah. But no Billy to cuddle really yeah they're lovely things and you want to cuddle him it's the pores and teeth that do it for me they're in the power Yeah but that's not cuddly is it No So what's a story why do we cuddle bears at night time because they usually made in a way where they. Are cuddly they're not they don't have the sort of bear type monopoly things and claws and teeth and and they look on this often they're there that's the way they're made yeah. So we'd want to start with this know what not to something soft and fluffy in the 1st place anyway it's a tradition I think there were do we know that where that came from where it is date back to well I mean Teddy Bears goes back to the days opposed leave from Teddy Roosevelt who had a bear which was supposedly a Steiff bear and we have here sitting in front of you a very beautiful Steiff beer back from the Brighton toy and model museum and so we're talking when Les 839 No no no they He's about 1911 actually that was my father's but this one here this one here was his name George this was your dad's bears my dad's bear and he sat with us kids in our room where we used to play and run our trains and pray with McCann and all these things and sat there sort of patiently in the corner surveying everything there is beautiful describe him to people listening who can't. See he's a classic bad shape what so nice about him is his long snout he's got a real bear like snout which so many teddy bears don't have is a very realistic looking face he's also what they call a ginger stifling a lovely sort of golden Ginger color to him and he's gone back but now I which again are very classic He has unfortunately lost his his little they know he's tied tag always tired tired they had their. Bears in the world with a tie there were a little button there the stif button that's lost he's also lost a little bit he's thinning a little bit o. N. In areas but I mean he's not bad for he's a you know is no. So he has been more than a 100 years old yes exactly well and sitting up right there yes very proud yes on and on and on he was it what does it mean to you huge nostalgia because I mean right going right back long before the days of the towing model museum. I mean I was very into the trains and but he is just incredibly nostalgic because he was part of the family you know we all loved him and he sat in the corner there mistake at Christmas time we would take him down and sitting by the Christmas tree because that sort of seemed appropriate. Worst Thing That's Ever Happened to Him is yet to be repaired was the squabbles over him there were probably squabbles particularly with my younger brother and yes he has had some repairs. 20 years ago I suppose his paws needed reporting because they're getting a little bit and of course the stock was stronger these things. About you know how to make them like that these days are you possibly not as I would say that would not be within fire regulations. I don't know anyone else there we are in those days that sort of thing didn't matter it was least you were so stifled with a the big name in there May are the yes there are other other benefactors like Mary thought and various people but Steiff Risa German and German toy making e's the most famous some they they made a name for high quality toys you know ways where the wooden toys metal it's always or things like the bear here just before we move on from bears to another port in force Chris why would somebody else pay 600 pounds for that that was indeed a being used as a pillow and was given as a gift before that because that somebody else's memories wrapped up in that bag yeah I can totally understand. Somebody getting excited about that it's what we call its provenance. It's the history of it and it's lived and to think that that bear lived through those experiences is quite something and people get excited about that because in a sense your sort of buying a bit of history if you are and that somebody else is about you know it doesn't matter it doesn't matter if you're the next guardian That's right that's a very good God we're all Guardians of the what is in that big blue box Christ one of turn it round so you can see it's it's a long oblong box and it looks like it's had a bit of life itself rusty catches on it and whatnot but inside my goodness. This is the top of home this range before the war so this was made around $193738.00 it is called Princess Elizabeth and of course that was the queen mother when she was the Princess Elizabeth Yes and they let in the name the railway company L.M.'s where we name their engines after all sorts of things but particularly royalty and this was their most expensive ever thing and it was 5 guineas which is 5 pounds lighter and it sparked pounds 25 p. Or something like this in 1937 serious pocket money friend you're talking about well over a 1000 pounds of today that's not pocket money range and it's it's a brown locomotive and it's tend as well yes so you got 4 then 6 wheels then 2 and it's 3 days on the tender but it's not. West not double Ok you know this is this is 0 gauge and it's all metal it's what we call it weighs a ton it is a very very heavy thing it's and if and we do run it on the railway in fact this weekend this Saturday we have a wonderful open day when we're running the whole big gauge railway and there will be this and all sorts of other exotic goodies running on that railway and it's charming it's. Wonderful that is beautiful I know I gave up my railway years all the stuff is up at dad's house but I haven't played with him and we will hear about Rod Stewart his railway the other day how he helped other people got their one vandalized and. So I don't have that appeal to me anymore Bart's the nostalgia attached with the hours we spent a lot playing with our railway said one. I'd like to think it will come back because I think it's been very nice for youngsters we get lots of schools in the ghettos for kids and of course then no longer exposed to this kind of thing they're playing with i Pads and phones don't get me wrong Chris i Pads you know fun you know good fun games you can play on their parts and that's a different kind Yeah that's right enjoyment is and I think we need to share across we need to actually interest people in this as well so they can use their hands and you know it was kind of stuff and cleaning the track and all of that rain is making thing oiling the gears and things and so you run that train where does that come from is that one of yours Yeah indeed it is in the museum we have an amazing collection of this scale and bigger and smaller really is unique unique I would say in the world the museum's collection now is fantastic thanks for bringing your pair whose name is George and thanks for bringing in Princess Elizabeth as well George and Liz there and tell us about what's going on this weekend the Bryant to a museum Chris right well we we run this the railway of this this kind of scale which is this scale this Oga age we even take the saïd glazing off the layout is a very big it is well over 30 feet long we take the glazing off the side so you get an incredible sound when you have as many as 4 trains running at once and it's delightful we have a Flying Scotsman and King George the 5th and all sorts of things famous famous trains are running and it's a joy and we. And we have it into session and they would recommend anybody except their eyes just. You've seen it before. You get to see a crystal ball from the museum 10 minutes to. Show you members of your. The scrapes they smell like these that get in touch. With the world right yet it's the. Sense of. crew and crutch j. Geils Band in peace and even tell me about your dad all right. But yeah I would. Think about everything now and I know about it as a child. Probably 4 years out of 5 years so it's quite small but it's just try to give me a hand to kuala. Little eyes and nose and but it's gone bald and I wondered because it must be 55 years old by now yeah whether it's anything I can do because it runs me like my parents. One of them was lost as a child at present I thought I'd ask your barracks but one of what I'll do is in a 2nd I'll pass you to Chris outside and have a quick word with you that's all right and again you know Qualis not necessarily quite as cute and cuddly in real life or there you have it but it means a lot to you worst thing that ever happened to it. Well because kids are always sick on the toys. There is no you know just how do you know that I'm not actually sure the material I hope is not anything. Shake things when it was built it may not been considered an ethical so you can kind of judge it by today's standards I suppose I've always just wondered so I put it up. So you know we get more and more how really. I wonder what to do with it whether it's there but the memory I wonder if it's going to help you what we do is what will pop you back to Chris outside and have a quick chat with you and alright yeah yeah nice to speak to you thank you very much indeed just 5 minutes to 11 now b.b.c. Sussex and b.b.c. Sorry and before the news and rewind 2 weeks today till the general election but are you clued up on where the main parties stand when it comes to the big issues we're facing all this week we're taking a closer look at the subjects that voters care about the most That's according to opinion polls as you Gov figures from police forces show a rise in amount of gun and knife crime in the last year and that's likely to be one of the reasons why dealing with crime is more important to voters now than it was in the last election reports as Liz Wallace and John Adly consider what the main political parties are offering on crime the police and prisons. Crime has jumped to become the 3rd most important issue at this election one of Boris Johnson's 1st announcements as prime minister was his plan to recruit 20000 new police officers by 2022 if he delivers on that plan it would put Officer levels to around where they were 9 use ago when the Conservatives came to power Labor says it will recruit 2000 more frontline offices than planned for by the conservatives and reestablish neighborhood policing the Liberal Democrats say they'll invest 2000000000 pounds to restore community policing enough for 2 new police officers in every council ward but all these pledges realistic the color. If policing is concerned that it doesn't have enough training instructors and police stations to support a rapid expansion in police numbers the point is recognize the strain on the prison system with the conservatives committing over 2 and a half 1000000000 pounds to create 10000 more prison places Labor says it will restore prison officer numbers to 2010 levels and bring privately funded prisons back into the public sector the Liberal Democrats say they want to transform prisons into places of rehabilitation and recovery by recruiting 2000 more prison officers the Green Party aims to halt the prison population but placing many short sentences with restore it if justice projects to break what it calls the vicious cycle of re-offending while the brick 6 party says it will introduce what it calls sentence ranges for young offenders to encourage rehabilitation. John Adly and Liz It's 11 o'clock I'm Steve dial the Marine Conservation Society is calling for the introduction of a bottle deposit scheme similar to that used in the seventy's who follow September's great British beach plane which saw more than 16 and a half Thousands of all a 1000 items of litter picks up on 48 beaches in Sussex in just one weekend Lizzie Pryor the beach watch officer for the m.c.s. Says whoever wins the election needs to take action as bottles are contributing to the problem you have a desk and we would love for a deposit or 10 system to be the 1st places that introduces this system where they said to vist you have a page plus it tricks can show plastic bottles and glass bottles and you return them and the cycle that you get that was about the leading economic think tank has said neither the Conservatives know Labor have credible plans to manage the public finances the Institute for Fiscal Studies has been studying election manifestos from the 2 mime parties the main owner of working football clubs been describing how he survived the plane crash landing in Ukraine earlier this month. Peter Jordan has told us how the Turkish Airlines Boeing $7.00 to $7.00 smashed on to the runway at Odessa in strong winds it bounced 3 times in the plane's nose gear collapsed he says passengers were screaming sparks flew from aircraft on the ground and people crammed on to the emergency shoes screaming the whole climate dark or lots of no communication from the part it and you know it nobody can move anywhere except bodies try to rush to get out fire crews pulled 2 people from the top floor window during a far as of last in founder overnight 3 people were rescued when the blaze broke out on the ground floor of a building on ship early once in hospital suffering from the effects of smoke inhalation environmental campaigners are calling for supermarkets to increase the price of bags for life to 70 pence research suggests one and a half 1000000000 of the carriers were both in the u.k. In the past year a 30 percent increase compared with 28 saying that figure equates to 54 bags for every household and bird from the sustainability campaign group wrap says the banks aren't being used as they should be the critical thing is using an over and over again and more time to use them and better that it's for the environment and when they come to the end of their life you can actually take those bags back to say and they recycle them actually back into carrier bags and bags for life no trains will run west of the spawn as far as see fit Brighton and I would say because of major signalling work which starts today the closure for the next 4 days is to use the old signalling system being upgraded on the line between Lewis and Seaford dam at all from Network Rail explains what they're doing we're investing 25000000 pounds in incremental no modern control system and decommissioning existing signalling boxes at Lewis so we know I think I'm sure the Chinese will be signalled from its history which is where most of the areas signalled from now sports and in cricket England wicketkeeper just by. It was an injury doubt for the 2nd Test against New Zealand which starts tonight all the pope is on standby to take his place behind the stumps with Kent batsman Zach Crawley a possibility to come into the side to make his debut in control of the 2 match series one they'll Liverpool face an anxious wait over the fitness of for being here after he suffered an ankle injury during last night's Champions League draw with Napoli the Red Sox brought in in Saturday's Premier League match b.b.c. Sussex sport begins from am filled it to o'clock on Saturday with full match commentary from 3 Today's weather will be dry with some sunny spells and variable Cloud think a cloud will move in from the north in the afternoon perhaps bringing a little drizzle highs of 11 degrees Celsius 52 degrees Fahrenheit b.b.c. News is just approaching 4 minutes past 11 b.b.c. Series travel trailers. Let's bring in a fight on the m 3 1st of all his had a trend of. No downside at the age that he won.