The richer. First, all that glitters is not gold for donald trump in the golden state. The second day in a row, protesters clashed with Police Outside a trump event in california. Today, protesters delayed a the venue inrming to where hecharging was scheduled to speak. That was 400 miles up the coast from costa mesa, where last night antitrust protesters scuffled with Trump Supporters, blocked intersection, and broke the windows of a police car. Mark, we have seen Violence Associated with trump events in the past. Given this is in california, what do these incidents suggest about what we can expect to see ahead of the california primary, and a little later in the context of the convention . Mark a lot of people in the country do not like donald trump and want to express the First Amendment right. Law enforcement will rack up a lot of bills trying to protect andr, and this spectacle the possible violence that could occur will be a reality for the Trump Campaign as long as he is in the race. John you know, it is a problem for trump. Some of it is of his own making, and some of it is not. If what you are trying to do right now is to reassure a lot of republicans, mainstream republicans, not just socalled establishment we will talk more about this later in the show if you are trying to reassure he can win a general election and hold the party together, be the kind of nominee everyone can be proud of, not a constant source of chaos all around you, these images, no matter who is to blame, these images just have a negative, unsettling effect on a lot of people that donald trump wants to speak to and reassure right now. Mark he says he is a unifier, and these are not symbols of unity. The Republican Party as they plan the convention, they really have to think about how cleveland will work, because cleveland will produce hundreds, thousands of protesters. The fact that violence could break out, even when these are not events that are popup events the authorities knew that people were coming and so could not keep order. Im not blaming the authorities. Just the reality of the situation. John heres the other thing. We had a period, and my mind is so porous i cannot remember when this was, but there was a time around super tuesday when there were a lot of these happening. Chicago was the most famous example. It seems to subside. This california thing is bringing it back to the fore. Theres blame to go around here, right . Viewing this in a way that seems to give protesters the legitimate right to speak while not looking like you have to impose martial law, a police state. You dont want chaos in the streets, but you also dont want guys in riot gear. That this is not hurting him in the nomination, but could hurt him in the general. We now have to start thinking in the context of the general, and these images are not great for election. General indiana governor mike pence was expected to not put his finger on the scale before his states primary. But this afternoon in an interview, governor pence gave one of the most wishywashy declarations of support by an elected official so far. He lavished as much praise on donald trump, who he said he did not say he would vote for, as the candidate he said he would vote for, ted cruz. Governor pence i like and respect all three republican candidates. I particularly want to commend donald trump, who i think has given voice to the frustration of millions of working americans over the lack of progress in washington. I am also particularly grateful that donald trump has taken a strong stand for hoosier jobs. I came to the decision about who i am supporting. I am not against anybody, but i will be voting for ted cruz. I respect the rights and the views of every hoosier in making their determination in the upcoming primary election. I urge every hoosier to make up their own mind. John as wishywashy as that r before thest fou Hoosier State days left before the Hoosier State folk, polls suggest trump is still in the lead. With this backing, can cruz win in indiana . John the biggest positive of this, after some days where cruz was roundly mocked for a bunch of gimmicks and gambits, seeming very desperate, from the alliance to the carly fiorina. All im saying, this was not a bad thing for him. The other things were mockable, and this is a semiendorsement. A lot of endorsements have been like that for ted cruz. This was a good day for ted cruz, in a limited sense,. I do not think this will make any difference with what happens in the primary on tuesday. Mark not such a good day . John better than three horrible days in a row. A terrible week. Mark it is still not clear why pence did this. Did he do it only for his own politics . He faces reelection this year. Or did he do it in some way because he wants to stop trump . John he lavished praise on trump. If that really was his objective, he failed miserably. Mark on monday, trump and christie went to indiana and met with pence. Christie knows pence well, helped him get elected. They left the meeting with trump feeling confident he would either get the endorsement or pence will stay neutral. Listen to what trump said, two days after the meeting. Mr. Trump the governor is a great guy. I met with him. He may not endorse. I dont think he will endorse anybody. He may endorse us. I dont know. Hes a great guy. Mark so in his remarks in california and on twitter, trump has not said word one about this. Normally if someone endorses one of his rivals, he lashes out. It will be fascinating to see if he does. This is a strange twist in trumps seeming march to consolidating support. John we both know based on the reporting that trump, christie, and the people around trump were convinced that after that meeting, at a minimum they would succeed in holding pence neutral, and at the most optimistic they might endorse trump. It is a very strange thing. It is really out of character for pence, because he is not only a wishywashy guy. Cruz has his back and now, that he has a very limited time to close the gap. Later in the program, we will talk to jane sanders about the state of the democratic nomination. First, some republicans are trying to decide between their party and the personal convictions when it comes to whether to support donald trump. We will discuss that and a lot more when we come back. We are now about 100 hours from the indiana primary, which could solidify the status of donald trump as the presumptive gop nominee. With that eventuality comes the most central debate of the 2016 president ial debate Going Forward. Will republicans coalesce behind the partys most controversial nominee in a generation, or will republicans with deep moral or ideological objections to trump follow personal conscience over Party Loyalty . Many media colleagues have been reporting on people wrestling with this. We have a story on bloomberg. Com quoting senator orrin hatch, who says he will do anything in his power to help donald trump in a general election. There is a story out today quoting several republican insiders, including former republican governor of minnesota 10 plenty, describing the shifting Party Dynamics the down, froms died resignation to enthusiasm. The never trump side was crystallized today by david brooks, who wrote Republican Leaders are going down meekly and hoping for a quiet convention, seeming unaware that this is a joe mccarthy moment. People will be judged by where they stood at this time. Those who walk with trump will forainted forever after the degradation of standards and the general election slaughter. This is a personal and complicated debate for many people, so what if anything will change the contours of the overrunning tension, whether republicans can in good conscience rally behind donald trump . Mark there has never been anything like this in our careers. A guy on the doorstep of being a intenseminee who faces and emotional criticism from members of his party and the other party. It is intense. Everyone in the country will have to learn to respect the views of others on this, because if trump is the nominee it will go all the way to november. I think whats going to happen if he wins indiana, some respected voices in the party are going to come forward and say in a calm way, this is it, get on board, hes our nominee. It will be up to trump to see if he can unify first his country, than the country. This is an emotional thing. Every day i see in my twitter feed, in our offices, people are really emotional about donald trump. The first thing is that i think a lot of what happens Going Forward will depend on how trump conducts himself Going Forward. You are, we both agree about this, if you are a candidate, the nominee of your party, you will be judged and should be judged and scrutinized on the entirety of your life in politics and public life. Those things cannot go away. Things donald trump did in the past. Being a prime exponent of the birther theory against barack obama. Other things he has done in the past, making him think he is racially insensitive at worst and at best and racist at worst. Those will be in his history forever. Comments about rapists and mexicans, things that offended women. Mark Trump Supporters need to be sensitive to how offensive tens of millions of americans find him. John the reality is, you have things where reporters now will write things and they are subject to abuse. We are subject to abuse from both sides, from Trump Supporters if we are critical and by trump haters if we see anything remotely positive about trump. People come after us and say we are enabling trump, that we love trump, that we want trump to win. The truth is, trump will be judged correctly by the totality of things he has done. He cant escape his past, and things he says now are in the context of the past. But he can conduct himself in a way that will somewhat ameliorate some of these problems if he tries to stay within what we consider the norms that should govern our political discourse related to minorities and women. If he plays better, he will ameliorate. If he continues to say things that are inflammatory, this will never get better. Mark whether hes running against Bernie Sanders or Hillary Clinton, he will be the story, the center of attention. And his conduct will determine some of it, but i believe a lot of it is baked in. No term supporters brook criticism, and trump opponents look everything he does through the filter of him being a bigot and a racist and a horrible man, including many people in the press who rather than being objective have become of the relent and i virulent antitrump advocates. John they certainly should not do that. And people like mitt romney, they will never vote for donald trump. A lot of mainstream figures in the Republican Party have come to the conclusion it is not morally or ideologically acceptable, no matter what he does Going Forward. He can make it better, but those people will still be there, and that will be the backdrop. Mark we will have to learn to respect strong views they dont hold. John that is a fond hope, but i dont know if it will pass come to pass. When we come back, jane sanders, the wife of Bernie Sanders, joins us. Mark earlier today we wondered what the top people at Bernie Sanderss president ial campaign are thinking about the democratic race and the path to nomination, so we called in a Sanders Campaign expert for a little help. Joining us now, jane sanders. Thank you for joining us. Ms. Sanders good to be here. Mark if your husband becomes the nominee, tell us what his vision is. How would it be different from recent democratic conventions . Ers i think he would be talking about the issue strongly. You have heard his platform, talking about acceptable higher education, a National Health care plan, a minimum wage of 15 an hour. He will be talking about electoral reform, so we increase our voter turnout and increase the number of people in the democratic party. He will be talking about how we need to shut the revolving door from lobbyist to corporate interest to Campaign Donor in the executive and legislative branches. A number of things. John let me ask you about that. Corporatenventions, lobbyists have access to suites in the convention and can mingle with politicians. Would you see that at a Bernie Sanders convention in philadelphia . Ms. Sanders no, i think if bernie wins the nomination, it would be at the convention, so there would be a lot of people already there. Maybe ben and jerry will have a suite there. [laughter] john the other day your husband was on television with mark, asked about the Vice President ial question. He said it would be great to have a woman on the ticket, and mentioned Elizabeth Warren as one person who could be a good idea. Can you name any other women who could be good potential running mates for your husband . Ms. Sanders i should not answer those questions. John you certainly should. Come on. [laughter] ms. Sanders i talked to you guys too much. No. [laughter] there is at least a somewhat awkward situation, where if your husband is the nominee it will happen in july at the convention. But if it happens then, he will be on the doorstep of a general election that is pretty spirited. Today secretary clinton announced directors in three important battleground states. Is your campaign doing that . Do you have planning for a general election, will or will that start in july if you win . Ms. Sanders we are of course very aware of what has to happen in a general election, and we saw people have people in place. We will see what happens. We will not move past this primary election right now. We are focused on indiana, kentucky, oregon, california, puerto rico, but we have people in place in all the states, and thats one of the reasons. We have 10 more states we have to work with and make sure every Single Person has the right to vote for the candidate of their choice, and also express their wishes for the agenda Going Forward. We are meeting with people. Mark i know you dont know exactly what the Clinton Campaign is doing for the general election, but one of your big talking point is you would be stronger in a general election. Can you assure democrats who are worried about that that you have done as much planning, and will be just as compared to win in a general election as Hillary Clintons campaign . Ms. Sanders we will be just as prepared, and stronger, but in a different way. We have not run this election in the cookiecutter way. We have not done things the same way most candidates have. Seen,e been, havas you really bringing people out and exciting them, inspiring them about moving forward, thinking differently about what a government of the people, by the people, for the people would mean. Talking about specific issues, but also talking about a Broader Vision for america. So when you look at every one of ls, and i know you spend a lot of time looking at these things i dont spend a lot, but for the last three months it has been clear that bernie always does better against all the republicans than secretary clinton dies, and the reason is that he brings than the secretary clinton does, and the reason is that he brings out the democratic nominee will bring out the democratic base, but bernie will also bring out a lot of independents, and he gets some of the republicans. If trump is the nominee, some of the republicans are not going to want to go there. In his senate race, he got 25 of the republican vote in vermont. The old common sense, rockribbed republicans, not the new trump republicans. I want to talk about taxes, and a couple comments you made. You were on the show on april 11, ask about your familys tax returns. A couple weeks later, you were on a different network, a different program. I want to play the sound from them here. Ms. Sanders lets have time to actually talk about issues. I will tell you, our taxes are done. I know you guys are going to look through them with a fine tooth comb, or if you will not then david brock is, and many other people. So dont worry about it. Our taxes are being checked and will be out. But we did put out the 2014 right away. So dont worry about that. Lets move on to real issues. John i have to follow up on this question. You say your taxes will be out. The other day you suggested you will not put taxes out until Hillary Clinton releases speech transcripts. Is that no longer the quid pro quo . Ms. Sanders it is not a quid pro quo. Weh both, i said its funny, did put out the 2014 taxes and secretary clinton did not put out her transcripts. We made as much in one year as she did in one hour. You will see that play out every year. I just think it would be nice to do that. I have a question for you. Her answer is, if she wants to stay with the standard, it should apply to absolutely everybody. The person shes running against has not given any wall street paidhes for which he was 200,000, or even two dollars. But have you asked the republicans if any of them have given paid speeches to wall street over the last 10 years for 200,000, and asked them to release them if they have . John i am 100 for full disclosure on these personally. People are getting paid speeches, and if transcripts exist they should be put out. Let me be real clear about the taxes, though. You said your taxes are now with an accountant. When will we see them . Ms. Sanders first off, i just finished 2015 and i have given them some back ones to look at. Justthey are done i dropped them off this morning, the 2015 ones. I dont think Hillary Clinton has put out her 2015 either. I think they will be a little different. But you didnt answer my question. Have you asked. The republicans whether they have given any wall street speeches for 200,000 . John i dont think any of them have. Is just to tie this up, releasing your tax returns contingent on secretary clinton ms. Sanders no, but i think it would be fair. John jane sanders, thankyou. We will be back with more after this. John with Donald J Trump on track to collect the 1237 delegates he needs, people are floating various ways that bound antitrump delegates might try to thwart a first ballot coronation in cleveland. To see how possible these are, we called in republican superlawyer ben ginsberg, who joins us from our washington bureau. Good to see you. Lets start with this first scenario, the credential challenge. 1,237possible that the threshold could change if the delegation is challenged . Ben possible, but unlikely. You would file a credentials challenge, and rule 101 of Convention Management is to be sure as many of your opponents s delegates are subject to challenges as yours are. Mark have you seen anything in the conduct of elections that would leave them open to a successful challenge . Ben i have not been at all the state conventions. The challenges that were 12cessful four years ago and years ago involved challenges to procedures at state conventions. Mark lets talk about the second scenario discussed in the wall street journal, the notion people could be bound delegates but become changes objectors and say, i dont think i should vote for donald trump on the first ballot even though i am supposed to, because i dont like the process or dont think i should. Any chance anyone can get away with that if i just stand up and say, i am not voting for trump, anyway you can get away with that . Bebn probably not. Rule 16 will find the delegates to reflect the votes of the preferential votes in their state, so that count should be known with a fair degree of specificity on june 8th. There is a scenario where the convention could try to unbind all the delegates, meaning that the voices of all the voters did not count. It is possible for a convention to do Something Like that, but highly unlikely. John doesnt that beg the question, why do we have the convention . If the vote is known and nobody can switch the vote, if trump has a majority why are the delegates there . Ben the main reason for having the convention is to get all the most dedicated republicans together in one place to be able to have unity, come up with a platform. Rephrase the question. Why have the rollcall vote for president ial preference . Ben the reason is more of history, to give someone from every state the ability to do it. For the vicel president ial vote to be by acclamation if there is only one candidate. If there is more than one name, you have to have the rollcall, and it has the unifying purpose of letting the representative from each state give those speeches we all like to see. John let me ask you about a third scenario, not wildly different from the one mark asked about conscientious objection. What about extension, a downed undegate who says a bo delegate who says i abstain . Ben under the rules now, the secretary is required to record the vote as the delegates are bound by their state, so that wi ll not work. But you are missing the good scenarios for messing around with this. Mark lets try this one. The noshow scenario. Thats a mike pence letss say mike pence does not want delegates from indiana to vote for trump, so they just dont show up the night of the rollcall. What happens then . The the rule reads secretary is required to record the vote as it took place in the state in the preferential vote. Cleveland has great shopping, but not going to work. John we give you scenarios other people laid out and said they are implausible, but he suggested there are other ways to make mischief. What are those now . What are the ways you can mess up the first ballot . Mark even if he comes in with a majority . Ben these are the Lessons Learned from 2012, when i was for presenting that romney. Mitt romney. You havee, 40dne, that to have a majority of delegates to win. A one word amendment to the rule can achieve Donald Trumps goal by making it if the rally of delegates plurality of delegates, but they can rule it has to be a super majority for the first ballot. Mark is there any way the antitrump forces could make the rule change . Ben it depends who, first of delegates are, and who are the delegates on the rules committee . Who will control the two delegates from each state on the rules committee, and are they willing to take a vote like that, for a plurality or supermajority . We do not know, because the delegates have by and large not been named. Mark so you could have people p ut on the rules committee who donst want do not want trump to be the nominee. Ben they are bound for the president ial vote, but not for rules issues, credential issues, platform issues, something also to talk about, or even the Vice President ial vote. John you have 34 seconds for more scenarios. Go. And you change rule 40b make it much easier to nominate people to give floor speeches and have the regularly scheduled spontaneous demonstrations on the floor. You might send a message through the Vice President ial vote. Do somethingeffect with the credentials we talked about before. You can send messages on the platform as well. John thank you for providing us with instruction on how most of these scenarios are ridiculous, but there are other scenarios that could cause havoc. Thank you for coming here. We are one commercial stop away from legoland. Wait until you see our diorama of the white house Correspondents Dinner. How does the white house Correspondents Dinner work . It has been held here at the washington hilton, every year since 1968. Guests arrive around 6 00 at t street northwest, the site of the assassination attempt of president reagan in 1981. Then theres the red carpet. The cocktail receptions start around this time. There are some on the main floor, with journalists, politicians, business leaders, and celebrities. The president himself attends av at the reception. Downstairs is where the main ballroom is. Everyone has to go through security. Then the action starts. The president will be there, naturally, and this year so will Bernie Sanders. Not attending, Hillary Clinton and donald trump. Done,he opening act is everyone is frozen in place until the president leaves, and then the real party starts the after party. John thats whats happening tomorrow night. Lets pause to reflect on a blockbuster week. Heres a quick recap of all the action and drama, the twisting plot lines, double crossings, and absurdities of the past five days. Enjoy. Mark ted cruz and john kasich have hashed out a rare bargain to help each other stop donald trump from the nomination. I dont see this as any big deal, other than the fact i will not spend resources in indiana m inhe wont spend the other places. In politics, you are not allowed you are allowed to collude. It show how weak they are. Mark donald trump has an achievable but difficult goal. Every delegate counts, and to not be strategic would be stupid. They are called the acela primaries. Accelerated primaries. Its called the ace l. A primary. Anotherigns point to victorious evening for donald j. Trump, billionaire, and hillary r. Clinton, not quite billionaire. Threen you crack 60 with people, thats hard to do. When you crack 60 with two people, thats a massive landslide. I have come to the conclusion that if i am nominated to the president of the united states, i will run on a ticket iwth with my Vice President ial nominee, carly fiorina. It is a desperate act of a desperate campaign. It looks desperate. I think it is a net positive. Donald trump gave his speech in very different tone and tempo. It is time to shake the rest of americass foreign policy. Time to invite new voices and new visions into the fold. America first will be the major theme of my administration. I thought it was perfectly a hillaryared to clinton policy speech or george bush policy speech . In an interview with the today show, trump repeated that Hillary Clinton would not be a viable candidate, and she would not be a candidate if she were not playing the woman card. Flash, thein the political lucifer in the flesh, the political phrase of the day, what john boehner called ted cruz. He said, i have never worked with a more miserable son of a in my life. A second day of a row in a row of disruptive protests outside a donald trump event. That was not the easiest entrance i ever made. [laughter] my wife called and said, there are helicopters following you. We went under a fence, through a fence. Oh, boy. I felt like i was crossing the border, actually. Mark all in one week. What do tom hanks and the gods of rock n roll have in common . We will show you, right after this quick break. John tomorrow night is the white house correspondents. C. Ner in washington, d for any music lovers not attending or watching on cspan, there is another option on television. Hbo is airing its annual broadcast of the rock n roll hall of fame induction ceremony which took place three weeks ago in my beloved home, brooklyn. Most treasured privileges is to venture back stage and shoot the rehearsals. In the wake of princes death lostn a year when we also music legends like david bowie, the inductions are a reminder politics world where is so polarizing, pop culture can create unity, community, and joy. Guys. E we go, its going to be like baby boomer nirvana here tonight. John we are in brooklyn, new york at the Berkeley Center on the night of the 35th annual rock n roll hall of fame induction. This will be full to the rafters to hear the incredible inductees. Cheap trick, steve miller band, deep purple, chicago, and nwa. Seeinge are on stage, one of the most awesome sites you can see. The guitar. It is heavy. I want pick it up because it is likely lost ark. John im here with matt, a celebrad musician on the himself. Rick nielsen has been collecting guitars way before it was cool to collect vintage guitars. When he was a kid he saw jeff his play and watched guitar, so drop the he reached over and gave jeff becks tech his card. He came over to his house and rick sold him two les pauls. John the other thing that is amazing is this. Want to know how promiscuous he is with the picks . I have one. For the first time in a long bands thatve five time, the road all the and they will play a soundtrack of 70s and 80s hits for everyone. Iff from smoke on the water. ] it is a time traveling machine. You go back to deep purple, with my brother and his friends telling me to shut up and get out of the room. Chicago, the cute girls on the yearbook staff who would have nothing to do with me, they would be listening to chicago. Its about where we were in the day. [applause] john the closing number tonight, whats great is anybody who is here, they all play together and do this thing. It is nearly showtime. Thats the sound of the finale being rehearsed. Letss go. M looking forward to the arc, from steve miller to nwa, rock n roll not just as a specific genre of music, but as the evolutionary force. Wait a minute. Let me show you my one thing. I have my executive producing laminate. John i have a guitar pick from rick nielsen from cheap trick. Thats the real thing. He told me that was his favorite pick. He intimated to me he may have to come and get this from me. Pick back . Need your enjoy the show [applause] the question is, are we rock n roll . [applause] re rock n roll. Rock n roll is not an instrument, not even a style of music. Rock n roll is a spirit. Its a spirit. Its been going since the blues, soul, r b, rock n roll, heavy metal, punk rock, and yes, hiphop. Rock n roll is nonconformist. So the people who came before creating your own path in music and in life. That is rock n roll, and that is us. Our our huge thanks to friends at hbo and the rock n roll hall of fame for letting us do this. The special premieres on hbo tomorrow night, 8 00 p. M. Eastern. You can find it after that on hbo go. We will be right back. Check out bloombergpolitics. Com for all your 2016 president ial Campaign Coverage needs. Bloomberg tvs emily changh show, sits down with linkedin ceo jeffrey weiner. Until monday, i say on the half of myanmar halperin, sayonara. Mark lets begin with a check of your first word news. A u. S. Aerial gunship attack on a hospital in afghanistan that left 42 people dead occurred because the rules of engagement and the laws of our laws of Armed Conflict were not followed according to the u. S. Head of central command. However, the investigation did not conclude that these actions are a war crime. It wont run is usually bit a war crime is usually reserved for intentional acts. Mark it comes just days after another hospital run by Doctors Without Borders in syria was hit by an attack. The airstrike, blamed on government forces, left over 50 day. Less than welcome greeting for donald trump in berlin, california today. He arrived to address the states gop convention. He said it was like crossing the border