help middle class families as well as he admits the wealthy. what i thought was very interesting is i asked donald trump what this would do to his effective tax rate and he sort of dodged the question. he wouldn't say what his tax rate is now. he wouldn't say whether his tab would go up or down despite earlier saying this would cost him a fortune. so, i think it is an open question, whether this is the kind of plan that will actually make wealthy individuals pay more. that was sort of the one of the teases he put out weeks ago saying, it will help middle class families and kind of hit the rich and ask them to pony up a little bit more, john. >> all right, sara. sa sara murray live at trump tower, looking for answers from donald trump, not always getting them. >> always the same. sounds like a politician in that regard. let's bring in the rest of our panel. we've been talking about a lot of individual income tax rates, but on the business side, there's a lot for business to chew on. lowering business tax rate to 15% and also the tax on profits overseas. will it work?