finley email -- to say politely this is your task. this was my way of taking that responsibility zero. >> the committee learned the white house counselor's office also thought the plan was potentially illegal. >> to be clear, did you hear the counsel office of the white house saying that it was planned to have alternate electors meet and cast votes for trump? >> yes sir. and who was the present for that meeting which you remember? >> it was mr. meadows, mr. giuliani and his associates. >> several of the individual electors as well as trumps campaign staff who helped organize the effort. >> we were useful idiots of that. a strong part of me really