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Careful to label it for what it is. This is a transcript obtained by a reputable news source but not ourselves that has been apparently translated from the original english into mandarin and into english again. Nuances may have been lost. Still theres plenty to learn from what weve got. Breaking news on the search. Australian officials telling us another search plane took off out of Western Australia heading for the waters that were calm today but as youll see rarely stay that way for long. And theres been a big change in tactics. Searchers relying less on high tech radar and more on oldfashioned eye balls and binoculars. Were also learning possibly significant new information about files on the pc simulator, flight 370s captain had at home. You see the simulator behind it from a youtube video. Files deleted from the hard drive. There could be a perfectly reasonable explanation for that. We have another full hour of coverage ahead starting with kyung lah on the search and pamela brown in washington on the cockpit transcripts and Flight Simulator story. Kyung, Early Morning hours there in australia, 8 00 a. M. In perth. Are search teams gearing up right now for know full day at sea . What kind of resources are we looking at . I think im actually hearing it right now. Im about 500 yards, im told, from where these planes are actually taking off. We could hear some turbo props starting up. These are the p 3 orions. One is scheduled to take off right now. They will be leaving from this air base and heading four hours away to that remote area. At daybreak there was one that took off as well. And then those two civilian longrange planes. There will be more today, a total of six planes in all heading to that remote area four hours away, anderson. Australian officials saying theyre going to focus more on using human spotters than radar. Ive heard some of the debris may not show up on radar, floatation devices and the like. Reporter well, you put it perfectly when you said good oldfashioned eyeballs. The military is trying to rely plane that is get there faster and then use good oldfashioned eyeballs. The civilian planes acan fly almost at the speed of sound. It will get down there in a fraction of the time. Theyll be able to get down there very, very quickly. They will be able to spend some time there and then zoom back. The downtall fall they dont ha radar. They have to use people who are trained to look for debris. Theyre hoping to catch the debris that might float. Seats and life jackets. Now, as far as the military prop planes, theyll take four hours to get down there but they have the radar. So its a give or take. Trying to flood the zone, anderson. Were going to talk to a commander from the u. S. Navy involved in the search from the seventh fleet about what assets they have in play. Pam, i understand investigators are just in the last few hours learning more about the deleted files on the captains computer. What do we know about them . Reporter sources telling cnn that investigators have uncovered evidence that files from those hard drives were deleted more recently than was previously disclosed by malaysian officials, that date of february 3rd. At this point we still dont know how many deletions there were, who made them and when. But we can tell you that Forensic Experts as well as outside consultants have been brought in. They are in a full tilt dive to uncover what was deleted and how it may have been erased. If it appears certain files are strategically deleted or scrubbed clean in a more sophisticated than routine way that could be a red flag. At this point we have no indication the pilots are were planning one of the planes disappearances. As one of my sources said there was nothing to run on that would suggest otherwise at this point. Want to be clear on this through sources youve learned that items were more recently deleted. Theres no necessarily nefarious explanation for that. It could be very much somebody trying to organize their files, right . Reporter exactly. My colleague evan perez has been talking to his sources. Theyve told him theres no reason to believe there was nefarious intent. But of course theyre still combing through the hard drive as we speak trying to obtain more information and more details about the deletions. Pam, also this report by the telegraph newspaper with the communication between the cockpit and air Traffic Controller for the first 54 minutes or the flight, anything raising alarm bells or suspicion among people youve talked to . Of course because were dealing with a missing plane everything is going to be under scrutiny and picked apart. There are parts of the purported transcript obtained by the telegraph newspaper some find interesting. For one the pilot repeated the altitude twice. Also the pilot didnt repeat what air Traffic Control said at the very end which pilots are supposed to do. Instead he signed off saying those infamous four words weve all heard, all right good night. Pilots weve spoken to say informal conversational talk between the pilot and air Traffic Control isnt necessarily out of the ordinary, but again because of the circumstances here, everything is going to be scrutinized. Important to reiterate here that the communications, 54 minutes of communications between the air Traffic Control and the pilots was translated from english into mandolned mandarin into english. Its not a perfect translation. Cnn has not independently confirmed the authenticity of that transcript. Kyung, third day searching in this particular area, no spotting of debris apparently seen in the satellite image. How confidence are Australian Authorities this is the right area that there was something there to begin with . If you talk to the guys in the air, the ones getting into those military planes and taking a look, they all say the conditions are good. We have hope. We want to figure out what this is. We want to find it. We want to give some answers to these families. So theres hope there. But they also if you talk to other government officials, we notice some language difference from what the Prime Minister said the first day and then in the second day. He was raising the possibility that this might just be a shipping container. He didnt say it the first day. So there is this sense of yes, this is the absolute best lead. Lets get more governments involved. Lets get more planes out there. Lets get more eyeballs out there. There is, though, always underlying everything is that this might not be it. And if this is not it resources devoted exclusively to this particular search have not been used in other areas over the last several days. Kyung appreciate the reporting, pamela brown. Want to bring in our panel of experts whos been with us throughout the hour and week. David souci, author of why planes crash. Les abend a retired pilot and cnn analyst. And david gallo and mary schiavo. Les lets start with you. The transcript of the 54 minutes you have in front of you. Does anything jump out at you . Again there is some language issue but you have to consider it was translated from english to mandarin to english. Right. And its a very abridged version. You dont get all the transmissions to other aircraft in between. So terminology we use is situational apairness. Theres a lot of things deleted or left out. The translation like you mentioned, anderson, its difficult even clearances that normally would be responded to in a standard way arent translated properly. And this final communication that some people have focused on, the casualness of it, which well put on the screen, is that common . That kind of casual language . Well, yeah. Its nonstandard, but that frequency is probably used all the time. And the controllers know that the pilots know and vice versa. So technically, were seeing it on the screen here all right good night technically the copilot should have reread Ho Chi Minh City, 120. 9. Should have read back the frequency to confirm it. But theyve probably done this hundreds of times. And it just goes as far as youre concerned not much to glean from this. No. In addition to we seem to be focusing on the repeating of the altitude a bunch of times. Theres a good time space on the transmissions on those altitudes confirms hes at 350. If i want add higher altitude to go into that air space, the way i coax a controller i want a higher altitude to confirm that im still at the same altitude. Nothing there. Mary you agree nothing to glean from this transcript . Well, except for one thing i noticed we keep focusing on that the copilot, whose voice we believe it is said all right good night and exchanged pleasantries. I did notice he was respond together air Traffic Control which said to the plane at least twice before then, good night. And they had also head good morning. So this particular part of the world, air Traffic Control had exchanged those pleasantries with the plane at least three times. It didnt seem out of character to be pleasant in return. And a lot of people have pointed to that in the last couple of days saying could there be some sort of coded messaging there. Clearly, mary and les thinking not. David gallo, two days after release of images of debris. How convinced are you that those showed something specific in the first place. I cant see anything. Looks like a reflection on the water but im certainly no expert. Im kind of conflicted myself. Because i want them to be bits of that aircraft. At the same time im with the families hoping that theyre not, that the plane is still sitting somewhere, passengers relatively safe and sound. Ive heard from several friends and colleagues that are very familiar with satellite data. And theyre not saying it cant be the aircraft, but theres a lot of doubt about what those things really are. And im hoping that in a few hours were going to know for sure. David soucie, about the deletions that the pilot has made. Again sources telling cnns he even perez and pamela brown that there were more deletions later on than the malaysians have released. But no reason to believe that theres anything suspicious in these deletions. Right. And the thing that bothers me a little bit about that is the fact that why did they think that they know it and then they didnt . The malaysians have had a lot on their hands. I believe theyre a little bit in over their heads on this. And thats what gives me the indication of to me that i know theyre reaching out and getting more help which is good. Quantico has the best facilities than anyone to look at that data and see what had happened to it. So it just indicates to me again that they are in a little over their head a little bit but realizing it and reaching out for a little bit of help. Mary youve been involved in this kind of thing before. One point you made several days ago which i think bears repeating, its not just that something that an item was deleted. But perhaps if there was an attempt to overwrite something that was deleted that meeting telling. Right. Its not just what you did and cleaned up your files or deleted it, but if you took active steps to make it very difficult to retrieve it it would show that you were intending to cover your tracks. It would show some kind of an intent to obfuscate or hide. In quantico, virginia thats the right place for that. They also have analyst and they dont just have the computer wizards, theyll have analysts that can analyze things. What does this mean . Is there any significant to this or that . By the same token they may find nothing and say theres no significance whatsoever. Obviously an investigation like this its important to recognize and to point out, certainly in our coverage to point out what we dont know and what leads have not really led anywhere over the last 24 hours. Theres a lot more to talk about. I want to take a short break. Well pick up the conversation when we come back. Let us know what you think or questions you have. Follow me on twitt twitter andersoncooper. Using ac360. Next up what may be in store for ships as they search for wreckage in some of the roughest waters on earth. There was good weather today. In previous days weve seen poor visibility. Well check in with u. S. Navys seventh fleet commander. Later a theory what the plane was carrying was the reason it went down. 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Commander William Marks spokesman for the u. S. Navys seventh fleet joins me by phone. Commander marks, the u. S. P 8 poseidon its not searching tomorrow or today due to routine maintenance. When is it expected to return to the search . Usually we take a day or two for the planned maintenance. Its a regular thing. We watch the fatigue level of both the air crew and the plane very carefully. So you cant run people 24 hours a day. You also cant run equipment 24 hours a day. But were in rotation with the Australian Forces. Its a very coordinated effort. So the search is covered for that day. Australian officials are also saying that their search is now more focused on visual sightings as opposed to radar. I assume theyre still using radar especially when Something Like the p 8 poseidon is part of the search. Can you explain the idea behind really focusing on visual search as opposed to radar . Sure. And really that came about because two days ago the weather was really bad. Very low ceilings, a lot of fog. Yesterday a lot better. But our philosophy is we take a balanced approach to use the optimal range of our sensors. If the optimal sensor is the radar they will go heavy on using the radar. However, if the environment dictates that the visual search would be more productive, theyll lean forward that more. So we do use a balance. Thats what the air crew does. Theyre experts in that. And it just depend on the environment, depend on the day. Were looking at some video of Australian Forces flying low and dropping some items into the water. Do you know what those would be . I dont know if theyre obviously some sort of sensor devices. What would they be putting in the water . So those are sonobuoys. I get that question a lot, are we pinging underneath the surface for water or are we looking submerged . Really what those were doing was to get a sense of the environmental conditions specifically the currents under the water. So for example, those sonobuoys cowl tell you if theres a 1 knot current over the course of 24 hours potentially a piece of debris could have moved 24 miles. Those are mostly for environmental. Lastly just how difficult is the task at hand here . I mean, given that were some five days after the satellite images were taken, given the difficult weather conditions youve had in the last couple of days, these objects could have traveled Something Like 300 miles or so or even sunk, correct, if they were there in the first place . Yeah, thats true. And this whole operation has been a challenge. Its difficult. But what i tell people is, this what is we do. This is what we train for. Were out here every day so that when a crisis does occur we already know who the players are, we know how to communicate and we know what our immediate actions are. So to us, certainly a unique situation but something we are prepared for. I know you think about the families of those on board the aircraft as well as those on board this aircraft. And ive talked to several family members who are waiting for word. They are all obviously incredibly appreciative of your efforts as are we. So thank you for talking to us. Youre very welcome. Thank you. Lets go back with our panel. David gallo, let me start with you. I want to go back to something you said in our last block about the people you have been talking to who had a lot of experience looking at satellite images. Theyre twbeginning to raise serious questions about what actually is in those images. Can you say more about that . How doubtful are you or they that this is actually something significant . Well, when i look at those images i see something. I just dont know what it is. And it looks like it could be part of the aircraft. It might be maybe a wing. And therefore has a low profile so would be difficult to pick up with radar. Theyre looking at the same things were looking at as far as i know. So they dont have access to the actual raw data. But its interesting. It must have been four or five but theyve all expressed doubt more than theyve expressed any sort of strong positive feeling that those are pieces of an aircraft. I was surprised by that because were going to know fairly soon whether if we find those pieces whether theyre right or wrong. Les, do you have doubts as well . I really do. At this point now that were day three. And my contention is that maybe we should increase the search back over land. Really . From the standpoint of the elts not activating with the salt water, the slide rafts would have them in them. That for you is a big red flag, why those elts. Weve heard from a number of pilots today or folks were actually going to have a piece about elts later on. A lot of people raising the question, the elts why didnt they go off because there are multiple ones. There is. And the slide rafts, i dont know how this airplane is configured. But there could be some that were in the overhead bins, too, strapped down. David gallo, excuse me david soucie,are you skeptical about this debris given the amount of time . Because of the amount of time, im concerned if it was a wing, its a tapered wing. And the center spars of that wing are very heavy compared to the tip of that wing. So the fact that it would be flat enough to be seen in that configuration concerns me a little bit. I would think that wing would have tilted toward the heavy side, which could keep it afloat but it wouldnt be in that attitude. It would be in a much different attitude. So im a little skeptical it would have been able to continue to float for that long. And david gallo, it looks calm out there now and what weve heard from folks the last 24 hours it was calm. But as we saw a short time ago in that video taken last year, around this area, its notorious for having big waves, strong winds, tough currents. Does that just complicate the situation in terms of trying to triangulate how far debris could have potentially moved from any impact site . Yeah, of course. I mean, its not as though the currents have the same velocity or the same direction or the winds have the same velocity and same direction. Its all variable. These are swirling winds, might be eddies in the currents. Its a real complicated issue. Welcome to the world of oceanography. As captain marks said, this is the world that we live in. But to find something, to backtrack something over so many days, its going to be really tough. Not impossible but really really tough. And i just want to reiterate to our viewers, the video youre seeing while david is talking here this is from 2012. This is not involved in this search. But it is in this area. And the reason were showing it to you is to give you a sense of what it can be like out there on the water. You remember the first day heres more video which you see actually a person. This is from last year from a race that took place in that area. Remember the first day of visibility was very low when search crews went out there and they were said to be waves in the 20feet range. It gives you a sense thats one thing to say that. Another thing to actually see at water level how difficult is it. So david gallo, when youre out there, how do you deal with this in terms of trying to spot something in these conditions . I know you work under the water, but just trying to spot something on the surface when you have white caps blowing off the top of waves, i dont know how you do it. Yeah. Well, it makes it really hard. Imagine trying to stand on the deck of a ship with a pair of binoculars. In that situation almost impossible to do. Ive been in those conditions just west of here and it was horrific. But if this was the underwater search it would make it impossible to launch and retrieve vehicles or to tow a system in this kind of weather. So its a double whammy. Because you cant get underwater vehicles into the water in this kind of condition. Certainly not with a cable. If youre towing something thats four miles beneath you or three miles beneath you, almost impossible to keep that thing stable. Youve got snap loads on the cable so youre stressing the system. If youre launching autonomous underwater vehicles like drones, retrieving them in this weather almost impossible. Last night we showed some of the remarkable equipment that woods hull has to map the ocean floor, these submersible vehicles that can really map a wide range. And i got a number of questions after the show from viewers about it. Why not just even now get those in the Water Mapping out grids underneath on the ocean floor . Well, anderson, you got to start someplace. And those vehicles on a good day those vehicles thats one thing. The technology is incredible. Those vehicles are awesome. The team is almost more important, the dedicated team that goes along with those vehicles. And where do you begin on a good day each vehicle might cover about 25 square miles. Thats not a lot of turf. So you would be burning out a team. These teams workday and night for weeks and months on end. And youre end up with a lot of burnout. So almost not worth just just be taking a shot in the dark. So we need a little bit more to go on than just get in the water and turn the vehicles loose. And were showing animation of what these vehicles from wood hull can do. Invented by woods hull ocean graphic institution. Its a good reminder the technology is extraordinary. Its the humans behind the technology to interpret the data to keep these things running. Youve got to take into account wear and tear on human beings as well as on the equipment. Much more ahead. Were going to talk with an aviation reporter in australia monitoring the search effort. What his sources are telling him. He has serious questions about some of the copilots signoff with air Traffic Controllers. As youve heard most other pilots we talked to say theres nothing unusual about it. Plus inside a 777 simulator. Exploring one of the new theories about what may have happened on board. Trouble that may have been coming from the cargo hold. Well tell you about what was in the cargo hold and how that may have played a role. One of the other aspects investigators are looking at. Well be right back. 6 my dad has aor afib. Brillation, he has the most common kind. Its not caused by a heart valve problem. Dad, it says your afib puts you at 5 times greater risk of a stroke. Thats why i take my warfarin every day. But it looks like maybe we should ask your doctor about pradaxa. 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Geoff regarding this township of the transcript retained by the telegraph newspaper you say the signoff from the copilot still doesnt sit right with you. Why . No. Well, the International Protocol from the International Civil Aviation Organization is that the signoff should be a repeat of the instruction given by air Traffic Control. So typically the signoff should be mh 370, contact Ho Chi Minh City on 120. 9, good night. It repeats the instruction. Thats the International Protocol. All right good night is either very way too casual, not compliant, or maybe its a coded message. So it could be just sloppiness. Youre saying it could also be some sort of a coded message. Indeed. Indeed. I guess one way would be to try to find out other planes that the copilot has flown on to see if this is what he commonly signs off with. Australias deputy Prime Minister came out today urging caution saying whatever the debris is or was may not be floating anymore, may have already sunk. With certainly different tone than we heard from the Prime Minister just two days ago. Do you get the sense from people youre talking to in Australian Authorities that theyre not as confident as they were that this is something significant . No, not at all. Prime minister tony abbott i think is think very careful not to raise the expectations of the relatives, loved ones that are left behind. And this is also still a rescue mission. It may well be we find some rafts as well. But i think what were seeing on the ground here is that more assets are being deployed we hear today the chinese are sending three aircraft down to pierce air force base in perth. I understand the japanese are going to commit a couple of o orions as well. While the Prime Minister talk may be softening, the commercial assets are being ramped up. In terms of we heard from searchers they will not be using radar in that area, just their eyes. Is that a good idea in your opinion . Well, look, i think its possibly been a little bit misconstrued there. Because theyre still using radar. But theyre using their eyes as well. Because a lot of this debris would not be picked up by radar. Seat cushions from an airplane, pieces of plastic. All those sort of items that would float are not necessarily radar friendly if you like. And so theyre using both. And theyre also using experts at spotting. And people who really can identify things at long distances. So its a combination of assets here. And to your knowledge, are they sending back in real time High Resolution photographic images that other people in australia are looking at in real time, or is this all being done by the platforms that are out there . Obviously theyre doing it theyre recording everything they see out there. My understanding is that they are relaying back to the search headquarters anything of significance. My understanding is that yes, there is some Realtime Data imagery being sent back if appropriate. But as yet that hasnt been shared with us. All right, geoffrey thomas, appreciate you reporting on what your sources are telling you. Thank you. Pleasure, anderson. Well, up next, did fire strike flight 370 . Thats one of the things that investigators have been looking at. Were going to take you inside a 777 simulator, cockpit and see what pilots can do when a fire breaks out on board. Also ahead tonight, the families of the missing holding on to hope. Were going to speak to sarah bajac whom we have spoken to before. She has been very public about her partner phillip wood who is among the missing. She has a facebook page, she wants information out there about him. Well talk to her ahead. Card f. Its not the limit your hard earned cash back card. Its not the confused by rotating categories card. 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Tonight cnns Martin Savidge is back in a Flight Simulator along with mitchell cosado. I dont think you guys have ever left the simulator framgnkly. This is one aspect investigators are looking at, the possibility of a fire on board. There were these potentially flammable lithium batteries. Could a fire have started in the cargo hold and then overtaken the cockpit . The answer to that is most definitely it could have happened. Were not saying it did in this instance but it could have. Its happened before in other aircraft. Value jet one of the most famous ones. That plane from the moment the fire started to when it went down was 3 42. Then you have the ubs flight out of dubai in 2010. That was due to the batteries. It was basically fire that just filled the cockpit with smoke, either overcame the pilots or made it impossible to navigate. So inhappt happens definitely. What steps would pilots take to try to con taitain the fire . If we were flying at altitude the first indication would likely be the alarms that would be going off. The moment that alarm goes off there are a number of things that begin to go into play. The pilot and copilot would measly go for a checklist and begin to figure out whos going to fly, whos going to navigate. You want to get this plane down on the deck as low as you can, maybe 8,000 feet. Because youre going to want to open the window to try to ventilate. At the same time youve got oxygen masks that have come on, and youre going to begin communicate together ground. Because you want to find out from air Traffic Control where you can get this plane down on the ground and onto a runway somewhere. So the only thing we know from 370 is they turned. As far as any of this other action which would have been standard and drilled into them over and over, it didnt happen. I want to go back to our panel, bring in mary schiavo, former Inspector General for the department of transportation, david gallo of the woods hull ocean graphic institution and cnn aviation analyst les abend. Les a fire on board, how serious is that, as a pilot how big a concern that is for you and what do you do . Its got to be the worst scenario on an airplane. Really . Yeah. Because you have no control over the situation for the most part except to be able to attempt to extinguish the fire. If it happened in the forward Cargo Department like seemed to be simulated there, you would start a whole process of arming bottles, freon bottles and deploying those bottles into the Cargo Departments. You would select which one, assuming the forward. Thats done electronically . Its done electronically through switches. But you would manually have to go through that process to do it. Theres a couple of freon bottles. Starting the prosays shuts down fans all sorts of things so it stops circulation down in that compartme compartment. If you did smell the smoke first thing would be to put on your oxygen mask which includes the goggles. You have to use a different mike switch on your yoke to communicate. Its a lot of confusion. As a pilot do you have an immediate sense of how big the fire is . I know alarms are going off. But are they ack that accurate in how big the fire is or do you smell smoke . Oftentimes youll smell something. A lot of times with us it turns out to be something theyre burning in the galley behind us. So he went immediately jump to the oxygen mask. It could have been insidious, slowly sneaked its way into the cockpit. Mary, how effective are on board systems against fires . Thats the problem. Because of the crash of value jet flight 92 back in 1996 we have fire detection suppression equipment in the cargo holds of wide bodied planes and others. But that Fire Suppression equipment may not be effective against the lithium batteries. In the boeing investigation looking at two planes that caught fire or had a smoke event because of the batteries, they determined they had to redesign the box in which those batteries were housed that the Fire Suppression system didnt work. And even the firefighters in boston had a difficult time putting the fire out. So those batteries are especially troublesome. Not only do they start fires but its hard to get them out. David soucie, there have been a number of incidents involving lithium batteries, not necessarily on board flights but fedex, dhl, a lot of carriers people who ship this thing. Right. Theres a form thats required after mary pointed out after value yet, hazmat regulations have been changed under code 14 of the cfrs. Under 179 through 179 it tells you what you have to do, to report, prevent from going onto the aircraft. So we have a list here of about anybody thats looked at this has probably searched for this and found out theres 141 incidents of this happening with a lithium batteries. However, if you go through there and look at it, most of them only one or two that i found i havent gone through the whole list yetbut just a few on the airport when it happened. Most of it loading and unloading, forklifts going through. Most about a lap tonight battery got hot in and the Flight Attendant was able to take that battery out and put night a coffee pot and suppress any kind of fire. David gallo, a lot of discussion online about the search effort. We know its a long way off the coast of australia. Got a tweet from julie. She said why cant they launch some drones over the suspected debris area . What about that . Well, they could theoretically, sure. From a ship, i think its a long way out but i guess you could do it from land. Again its going to come back to the drones are really going to carry cameras or radar or something of that nature. Its still going to be tough to see through any kind of rough weather. And that is a long way away. Its twice the distance that the air france site was off the coast of brazil. I also got a tweet from andrea who says ive been wondering if they could have had a decompression and lost consciousness and the plane could have kept flying. Les how possible is that . Its possible if it was toxic fumes. One of the things i wanted to point out, the baggage compartment, all the baggage compartments have freon. The avionics area does not have Fire Suppression. What it is has the automatic ability to redirect air flow. Because that air flow that comes through there comes up into the cockpit also. Its just extraordinary this far into it we are still going over investigators are still going over these theories. There was so much hope just a few days ago when this debris seemed to be picked up by satellites. And now with each day that passes, and again my thoughts just keep going to the families who are just waiting day in and day out. This is just horrific for them. I appreciate all our panelists being here again. Mary schiavo, david gallo, david soucie and les abend. Its built to be as fast as it is strongor advil. And fights pain at the site of inflammation. Advil has the strength and speed to help you move past pain. Advil. Make today yours. So our business can be on at ts network for 175 a month . Yup. All 5 of you for 175. Our clients need a lot of attention. Theres unlimited talk and text. Were working deals all day. You get 10 gigabytes of data to share. What about expansion potential . Add a line, anytime, for 15 a month. Low dues, great terms. Lets close new at t mobile share value plans our best value plans ever for business. 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For two full weeks now their families have lived in this terrible state of limbo trying to hold onto hope. Weve seen their anguish and their courage. Sarah bajac still hopes for the safe return of her partner phillip wood on flight 370. They were about to move back to kuala lumpur from beijing when this happened. Sarah, i appreciate you being with us. I know you have a support network around you. You created a facebook page. I want to show our viewers that. Its called finding phillip wood. Youre trying to keep up energy for the search and keeping hope alive. Its one of the reasons youre speaking out as you have for the last several days. How concerned are you that too many resources are being put to this ocean search and not enough to searching over land . Thank you for asking that question, anderson. Im very concerned about it. If you look through our postings, i think general population is concerned about it as well. The experts keep pursuing all the options that would denote a crash. Intuition of the innocent or the ignorant depending on how you want to look at it seems to be that the people are all still alive. Thats a consistent theme. And whether its Wishful Thinking or just logic, sometimes when you know less of the data you can make more intuitive decisions. But theres a chance that it was taken by an abductor of some sort we should be putting some of our resources to land. Have you been able to gave message to authorities to Malaysia Airlines . What is the communication like and the flow of information from them to you . Are you satisfied with it . Because i know its frustrating for a number of families. Yes. Theres been no exchange of information with authorities. So that is exactly why ive been engaging with the media. Its been a consistent theme that ive tried to come back to, that i believe and i think most people believe that the passengers are being held for some other purpose. And so far that doesnt seem to be listened tochlt but since all of the other avenues that weve explored actually dont make sense i mean, ive been listening to your show as ive stood here. Even a fire in the cockpit, there would have been some other evidence to point to the fact that that had happened. An alarm or some other movement of the plane or whatever the case might have been. So i hope the authorities maybe take a little more brain approach as opposed to the brawn approach thats been pursued so far. Maybe that will get us someplace else. Im always very cautious about speaking to somebody whos experiencing a situation like this. Because i dont want to do anything or ask anything thats in any way inappropriate or too invasive. And in the past you have spoken about phillip. And i know just this not knowing, this day in and day out, are there ways that you have figured out to try to get through each day . Do you stick to a routine . Do you Pay Attention to all the twists and turns that are being reported, that are being investigated . How do you deal with this . Well, desperation leads to a certain kind of nervous energy. And im dealing with that by engaging with the media and pushing forward with the finding phillip Wood Facebook page to bring awareness and to provide a format for group therapy, if you want to think about that. But at a personal level ive tried very hard to keep with the routines that phillip and i have followed for the last couple of years. I get up early. I drink coffee in front of the window and look out over the sunrise. We live next to an apple orchard. And i do yoga every morning and eat my oatmeal and go to work. Ive continued to keep a teaching schedule. And im sure that thats what phillip would want me to do. No use having other casualties of my students not being able to hit their exams. So im keeping normal life going, but im pushing all this extra energy into trying to make a difference. Its extraordinary that youre able to continue teaching and that thats something that youve been able to stick to. It just shows what a great teacher you must be, the fact that that is still a priority for you. And sarah, i appreciate all youre doing and you talking to us. Thank you very much. My thoughts continue to be with you and with philadelphfill phie others. Thank you, anderson. You can find out more about all the passengers at ac360. Com. Strange and chilling headline, Georgia University student arrested accused of making ricin. And more on the boston bombing suspects. [ female announcer ] grow, its what we do. But when we put something in the ground, feed it, and care for it, dont we grow something more . We grow big celebrations, and personal victories. We grow new beginnings, and better endings. Grand gestures, and perfect quiet. 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A George Washington University Student is under arrest accused of making rye ricin in his dorm room. At the department of justice, civil rights prosecutors say there was no wrongdoing when a fbi agent fatally shot a chechen man being questioned in florida about a possible link to one of the Boston Marathon bombing suspects. One month from today at the boon marathon, 100 runners will make up team mr 8, in memory of Martin Richard the youngest bombing victim. His sister was injured in the attack. The family released this photo today showing jane with her new prosthetic cheetah running leg. Certainly a brave little girl. Susan, thanks very much. That does it for us. Well see you again 11 00 p. M. Eastern tonight. Piers morgan live starts now. This is piers morgan live and i am bill weir filling in tonight. As search planes zoom over that lonely water of the indian ocean, spending hours searching for what could be an 80foot floating piece of this puzzle, were going to look into two possible fresh leads. Well see if theres anything to glean from transcripts of radio conversations between f