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Sources say trump called the 2012 gop nominee mitt romney personally last night to say it wasnt all a game. Tillersons nomination already generating controversy with no formal Foreign Policy experience. The business titan instead forming many Close Relationships by forming massive oil deals, including with Vladimir Putin, sparking criticism from both sides of the aisle. Anybody whos a friend of Vladimir Putin must disregard the fact that Vladimir Putin is a murderer, a thug, a kgb agent. Reporter this has trump and his top advisers continue to attack the cia over their findings that russia meddled in the election. It smells like politics, plain and simple. Reporter trumps camp offering no proof of their claims, as a Bipartisan Group of senators calls for a congressional inquiry. I think we ought to approach all of these issues on the assumption that the russians do not wish us well. Reporter president obama reiterating calls for a review to prevent russia from impacting future elections. This was not a secret running up to the election. The president elect in some of his political events specifically said to the russians, hack hillarys emails. Reporter trumps team says he wont interfere with an investigation. Hes the president of the united states. The legislature can do what it wants. Reporter for his part, trump delays a News Conference where he promised hed address how hell handle the conflicts of interest with his business. Trump tweeting late monday, he will be leaving his businesses before january 20th, and two of his three children, don and eric, plus executives will run the companies, notably no mention of his daughter ivanka, who is likely to step away from the businesses and serve as an adviser to her father. Trump also promising no new deals will be done during my terms in office. And trump will be continuing his thank you tour, heading to wisconsin tonight, then off to pennsylvania on thursday, orlando on friday, and mobile, alabama, on saturday. Also continuing to name names to his administration. We now have gary cohn, who will be the director of National Economic council. Weve got romney mcdaniel, who will be heading up the rnc. Shes the niece of mitt romney and was instrumental in helping him secure the state of michigan. Also reports now that former Texas Governor rick perry is now the top choice for the energy department. Youll remember back in 2011, poppy, he had that oops moment during the debate where he was trying to remember which of the departments he would eliminate if he became president. That department, by the way, he remembered, was the department of energy. Poppy . Well be watching. Jason, thank you so much. We appreciate it. Rex tillersons ties to russia may make his confirmation as secretary of state a pretty tough sell. We already know that, even from how some republican senators are reacting. Lets bring in cnns senior political reporter manu raju live from washington. Good morning. Reporter good morning, poppy. This could be Donald Trumps first big fight with his own party, with 52 republican seats, just three defections could be enough to prevent tillerson from getting the job. Were already hearing pushback from republicans about his ties to russia, from at least four republicans, including prominent voices like arizona senator john mccain. They want to hear more from tillerson first. But if he doesnt win over those skeptical gop senators, that means trumps pick may need support from senate democrats. And thats something harry reid, the outgoing democratic leader, told me yesterday may not happen. I dont know if he can get 50 votes or not. I think it might be hard for him to do that. Did the reports that youre seeing about his russian connections concern you in any way . Its in keeping with trump. Hes already stated he likes putin better than he likes obama, so its obvious he likes russia. Thats fairly concerning to the world and certainly concerning to americans. Its concerning to me. Reporter now, tillerson first will have to win approval from the Senate Foreign relations committee, where republicans have a oneseat advantage. Just one republican defection could be enough to derail the nomination. If the democrats stay united. And already republican senator marco rubio, who sits on that panel, has sharply criticized tillersons ties to Vladimir Putin. So chris, a lot of work ahead before tillerson gets the job. Yeah, other side to the coin. You know, criticizing somebody is very different than voting against them. If the gop holds ranks, they can get any nominee through. Very good to have the reporting. Thank you, my friend. Joining us now is jason miller, the Communications Director for trumps transition team. Good to see you. Chris, good morning. Lets deal with the big bear in the room. Obviously an analogy to russia. Rex tillerson very well known until the business world, respected by the left and the right on different levels. But his relationship with Vladimir Putin specifically is going to be in the cross hairs during this period of scrutiny, especially with the timing of the selection with all of this concern over russias involvement in our election. So what is the word from the president elects team about why tillersons relationship with Vladimir Putin should not be a concern. Well, first what were going to see with tillerson is someone whos been a Business Leader on the world stage, someone whos put together multilateral and bilateral direct deals. Were going to start seeing the world moving to that. Not only has mr. Tillerson put together deals with countries like russia, china, hes worked in the middle east. Every theater you can imagine in the world, he has deep financial, institutional ties where hes worked with these Different Countries to go and develop deals. The ties are the concern though, right . That his relationships, other than a diplomatic background, his business background means that his pocket was tied to his participation, especially in russia. We have to be able to go in and talk to people and have a dialogue. Thats the thing that were going to have with tillerson. Someone who can go in and understand what its like to work with finance ministers, someone who can go in and understand what its like to work with different leaders. A country doesnt necessarily have to be our best ally. That doesnt mean they have to be our enemy from day one. Thats the type of relationship tillerson will bring. So why didnt you pick Rudy Giuliani . He travels all over the world, not doing it just for a big exxon. He does it consulting about security and things that are germane. Why not him . Someone like Rex Tillerson really has proven himself on the world stage. Hes someone that when he sat down with the president elect, he impressed him right off the top. He was someone that the president elect said this guy is a worldclass businessman. Hes a worldclass, absolute negotiator. And thats the thing, we have to get back to winning for americans. Someone who can put together good, tough deals. Rex tillerson has actually stood up and said no to Vladimir Putin. Hes also someone who has the president of putin, where he can put together, find ways to Work Together on common fronts. We talk about isis and defeating radical islamic terrorism. This is an issue where tillerson has faced it in iraq, kurdistan, talking about the Different Things exxonmobil was dealing with, the safe it i and security of people. Hes seen what the destabilization can do to these countries. So the concern is the reason hes done deals with putin is because hes close to him. He got awarded that order of friendship thing that he doesnt see Vladimir Putin as the malefactor that American Government officials see him as. But weve had everyone from former nba coach to the former. Of canada, bishops, different people have won this award. This isnt anything big. Were talking about in Rex Tillerson someone who people know. His word is his bond. When he goes in, he negotiates tough. Hes known as one of the toughest negotiators in the entire planet. But when he goes in and gets that deal just the same way hes been fighting for shareholders, he now will start fighting for the american citizen to make sure that were getting good deals. So hes someone who can put these deals together, who can sit down across the table and represent not just the administration but our country on the world stage. Can he be tough on russia . Hes fought against the sanctions. If these hearings go the way they may about russias involvement in this country, the intel is pretty clear. If there are more sanctions that come, are we going to have a secretary of state who says, whoa, whoa, whoa, lets note put more sanctions on russia. He said these sanctions were ineffective and werent being properly executed. Thats one of the things mr. Tillerson said. Be careful who you hurt with your sanctions. He talked about how theyre ineffective and he didnt think they were going to work. Lets also talk about the common goals that we have here. We talk about defeating radical islamic terrorism. We talk about standing up to isis. What we have in Rex Tillerson is someone who on this when has he stood up to isis . Hes trying to protect his oil fields and pipelines. He understands what destabilization will do to these countries. Hes seen what it will do to people and how it will hurt people. Hes seen the security risk. Can he shift from profits to people seamlessly . Thats what hes worried about now, his deals, not people. No, hes always been about people. You have to look out for the safety and security of your people. Youre talking about your employees. He goes to places that have oil, not that have human crises. Hes not a humanitarian. Hes a businessman. Thats what he is. People are people. Youre going to stand up and look out for people wherever you are, talking about the safety and security, making sure people are okay. What can you cite in his record where he went to a place to help the human condition and not exxons Business Condition . A growing economy in a stabilized geopolitical structure within a country is something thats ultimately going to help people. True. Thats something where were going to see everybody lifted up. Lets talk about the breadth of experience Rex Tillerson has. You talk about putting multicountry deals together in africa, for example. Or getting a pipeline through multiple countries. We talk about being a leader of exxonmobil, someone whos worked on pipelines going into places like china, malaysia, thailand. Hes worked all over the entire world. The other thing, too, is lets talk about how good of a person he is. Not only is he figuratively a boy scout, the guy is literally a boy scout. He led the National Boy Scouts of america for ten years, won rave reviews for that. Hes someone who we can count on and we can depend on to fight for us on the international stage. Yet, the main focus is going to say lets see how that performance and background came to bear in russia. Right now, to take a line that you guys love, you got to call the enemy what it is. Radical islam. You dont seem to be talking that talk about russia. You have the president elect, whos denying without any basis of proof, the Intelligence Communitys assessment that russia was involved with the hacking that took place during our elections. He says its ridiculous. Now you have a man whos going to be secretary of state who gets the order of friendship medal from Vladimir Putin, a man called a murderer and a bully by a u. S. Senator. You loaded that one up. Lets talk about call it what it is. Radical islamic terror is the enemy. Do you see Vladimir Putin as the enemy . You threw out like four or five they thinings. Do you see Vladimir Putin as enemy . I dont think we have to look at him as the enemy immediately. Immediately . He just helped hack u. S. Elections. It would be insane to come in on day one before weve started sitting down, negotiating with people, looking for places where we can Work Together, and start taking people off the table and saying theres no way we can work with these people. What about on the basis of what hes done . Hes not an unknown. Hes very well known. This is where we talk about president elect trumps America First Foreign Policy. Were going to look out for americans. Were going to look out for where we can actually Work Together he just tried to hack into and affect the u. S. Elections. Lets talk about the reuters report this morning where even dni hasnt embraced the cia report. Clapper came out on october 7th and said this is what russia does. Why would you deny this, jason . The attempts to delegitimize president elect trumps win is just silly. What have i just said . Listen, let me say it to you nice and straight, man to man. Donald trump won the electoral college. He is the next president of the united states. Huge, huge. Biggest republican win since 1988. Dont worry about your political cover. Why wont you call this what it is . October 7, clapper comes out, the head of the dni, and says this is what russia does. It has all the signatures of it. Theyre trying to increase some types of influence in our election. You say its ridiculous. Why . The reason why donald trump won this election is because he had a whos talking about why he won it . Youre trying to delegitimize the election. No, im not. Im trying to get you to see russia for what it is. You have real blinders on about this. No, im talking about very simply donald trump won this election, now were moving on. What were talking about today is how were going to reestablish americas place in the world on the international stage. Thats what Rex Tillerson is going to do. Why are you running away from a simple proposition . Vladimir putin directs the actions of russian intelligence. You just had the u. S. Intelligence say that russia tried to negatively influence our elections, and you say, we won, we won, we won. Why are you defending russias actions . Thats what makes all this so suspicious. American intelligence agencies cant even agree. They have tons of on the ground intel. Nobody is questioning why he won. Nobody is questioning that. Im telling you, this is going to the level of bizarre. He won. I just said it to you. Nobody is questioning that. Im saying why defend what russia did in our election . What im defending is the fact that president elect trump is putting in a secretary of state whos going to stand up and represent us well on the international stage. Rex tillerson is someone whos stood up and told Vladimir Putin no. Hes also someone who has stood up and been able to find ways where he can Work Together on things. Hes going to find where we can work with other countries to defeat radical islamic terrorism and isis. Hes someone who understands the importance of a stable geopolitical environment to grow economies and look out for human safety. The other thing, too, the way he understands and has these relationships with finance ministers as we talk about all these difficult leaders. We talk about something thats almost better than knowing government officials around the world. In a lot of places youve had administrations or regimes who have gone and changed over the years. In many cases, the Business Leaders, the people who Rex Tillerson has been dealing with, have been the same. He has these relationships where he goes in and sits down, the trust has already been built there. When he fights for americans, were going to have someone whos proven on the international stage. Jason miller, appreciate you making the case for the president elects nominee for secretary of state, Rex Tillerson. Always good to have the conversation with you. Thanks, chris. Poppy . Good conversation, guys. Thank you. President elect donald trump says he doesnt need to have the daily Intelligence Briefings every day. We want to know what he said on those calls. What are they like . Why are they daily . Joining us, someone who used to give that briefing, next. Your Insurance Company wont replace the full value of your totaled new car. The guy says you picked the wrong insurance plan. No, i picked the wrong Insurance Company. With Liberty Mutual new car replacement™, you wont have to worry about replacing your car because youll get the full value back including depreciation. And if you have more than one Liberty Mutual policy, you qualify for a multipolicy discount, saving you money on your car and home coverage. Call for a free quote today. Liberty stands with you™. Liberty mutual insurance. President elect donald trump has been getting the daily intelligence briefing only about once a week. So president obamas offering advice to the president elect. Here it is. It doesnt matter how smart you are. You have to have the best information possible to make the best decisions possible. And my experience with our intelligence agencies is that they are not perfect. Theyd be the first to acknowledge that. But they are full of extraordinarily hard working, patriotic, and knowledgeable experts. And if youre not getting their perspective, their detailed perspective, then you are flying blind. All right. Lets bring in cnn counterterrorism analyst and former cia counterterrorism official philip mudd, and former Intelligence Officer and daily briefer at the cia, david prius. Lets talk about this. You used to help prepare people to give those briefings to the president. Are these just kind of heres the obvious headlines . How intense are these . How important are these briefings . The briefings cant be taken in isolation. Its a steady stream of intelligence information thats constantly updating stories around the world. So getting a briefing now and then or reading the daily book of secrets now and then doesnt give the president elect a full picture of what intelligence can do for him. Its a steady stream that updates him on situations with new and different information. Not about how smart he is. Its about getting the information he needs to make those decisions. So beyond the information that is critical for the president to get and the president elect to get, regardless of how often he wants to get it, what about what this does to the morale of these Intelligence Officers and the Intelligence Community in general . In the same week saying i dont need it as often as you deem the president needs it, and by the way, i dont believe your intelligence on russia hacking into the u. S. Election. The two things coupled together, worrisome to you . They are. Not looking backward but looking forward. Look at the situations the president elect is going to have to deal with in coming months and years. Intelligence about whether iran is complying with the Nuclear Agreement that president elect has been so critical of, determining russian complicity in attacks on civilians in syria. Thats an issue that would be briefed this morning, i would say, if the president elect were taking a briefing. Theres an offensive in aleppo. What are the russians doing . Going forward, what cia professionals are saying, in a city where information is powered, just as money is power in new york, information is power, we do not have access to the individual who makes decisions for the executive branch. This is huge, especially after 15 years of president obama and formerly president bush who gave great access to the cia. So look, youve been in the room. Youve seen what happens when a president is receiving information and has to make a decision. This isnt something thats extra. This is something that can be fundamental. How so . This is not just about intelligence. By the way, president elect trump talked about being a smart guy. He is a smart guy. This is about being an informed guy. Different question. You walk in i remember circumstance going back after 9 11 when we had specific threat information from an informant thats a penetration into the al qaeda organization. He comes out, talks to a cia officer about what al qaeda is saying in attacking the united states. The cia director calls me on a sunday night. Lets talk to president bush tomorrow morning in the oval office. We go in, i describe the threat. Interesting, it wasnt just about the intelligence briefing. We have, what, six advisers around the table, National Security adviser, vermont, cia director, and the president says, should i make a statement to the American People about what were seeing in terms of this threat . Its a discussion about National Security, not just an intelligence briefing. David, you have said that you think the president elect is mistaken, frankly, by not getting these daily. Well see if that changes when he becomes the sitting president. One of the points you make is you think he perhaps thinks that information is repetitive, perhaps if its about the same country, iraq for example, but its not repetitive. Its incredibly nuanced. The two remarks he made were both interesting. One is hes smart so he doesnt need the daily briefings. Ive worked with some of the smartest people ive ever met at cia. No kidding, smart people, are the ones who know what they dont know. They know they need information to make better decisions. Donald trump has had to make important decisions in his previous career. He knows the value of information. The other side on the repetition, maybe the briefers havent teed up for him enough the differences between the pieces theyre giving him. If he sees a piece once a week and its on iraq, he may think that its just the same old thing about iraq. They need to highlight whats new and different to show him the value of that information. Eventually, perhaps when hes in office, he will come to the same position that all the former president s and Vice President s that i spoke with for my book told me. They get the value of intelligence. They see that it helps inform them on these major decisions they have to make. And they wouldnt want to have made those decisions without the value of the intelligence analysis. Can a little bit of this also be about what you dont know, you can ignore. So lets look at whats happening with russia meddling in the u. S. Elections. And meddling is putting it nicely. The president elect says thats a ridiculous notion. And its just coming out now because i won. We know thats not true. We know clapper came out on october. October 7th. We know this is intel thats been out there for a long time. Youre seeing it play out in realtime where by not getting the Intelligence Briefings are, maybe he creates an opportunity for himself to Say Something that doesnt square with what hes been told. Look, i see this a couple ways. If you look at what happened during the election, what we term as fake news, the concern here looking at the statements about russian involvement before the election is were going to start getting fake intenlligenc. Regardless of the facts, do you take the wofrld as it is and simply say, im going to recreate that and say whatever i want . I would be concerned Going Forward in terms of what david is saying about repetition and making facts up and about the importance of being informed. Youre telling me the world isnt changing enough to get a briefing . Just over the weekend, military flights over the south china sea. I want to see if the transition in cuba is having any affect. We had bombings over the weekend against our allies in egypt and turkey. What does that mean . We have an offensive in syria thats suggesting to me that at some point that civil war is going to come to a close. And theres not enough for a briefing. Are you kidding me . I dont get it. Thank you, gentlemen. 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First hired as a Civil Engineer out of college, working his way up through the corporate ladder through the international division, and rietzi inrising t 2006. The belief in the promise of International Engagement and in the potential for global approaches to meeting this nations challenges. Reporter at the helm of exxonmobil, tillerson operated at a high level internationally, negotiating on behalf of exxons interests with deep relationship in the gulf and middle east, asia, and russia. Hes much more than a business executive. Hes a worldclass player. Tillerson having deep dies, especially to russia and Vladimir Putin, and receiving the recorder of friendship in 2012, a high honor bestowed to him personally from putin. To me, a great advantage is he knows many of the players. And he knows them well. He does massive deals in russia. Reporter but thats seen as an asset to president elect is a problem for some on capitol hill. I have obviously concerns of reports of his relationship with Vladimir Putin, who is a thug and a murderer. Reporter marco rubio tweeting, quote, being a friend of Vladimir Putin is not an attribute im hoping for from a secretary of state. Meantime, tillersons views on Climate Change in opposition to the president hes about to serve. Withe will cancel this deal our companies can compete. Reporter tillerson supported the paris Climate Change agreement reached earlier this year and has declared Climate Change a problem, at odds with trump. Where are you on the environment . Im still open minded. Nobody really knows. Reporter while exxon spent years denying that burning fossil fuels contributes to Climate Change, under tillersons time, the company softened its stance. While there are a range of possible outcomes, the risk posed by rising Greenhouse Gas emissions could prove to be significant. Reporter outside of his work, tillerson, a father of four, has deep lineage in the boy scouts of america. An eagle scout himself, he served as National President in 2010 and had a big role in moving the Organization Forward and allowing the acceptance of gay scouts. Sunlen serfaty, cnn, washington. Sunlen, thank you very much. Here to discuss, cnn political analyst David Gregory and reporter for the whats post, abby phillips. Good to have you both. Abby, you think tillerson is a compromise pick. I wonder where the loyalty is. Rudy giuliani, tons of international experience. Security adviser in all of these Different Countries. Chris made the point earlier, Rex Tillerson has a ton of experience in oilrich countries, a ton of experience in russia, saudi arabia, et cetera. But he doesnt have any diplomatic experience and he doesnt have any experience in countries that dont have oil. Thats true, but this is a president who also has no political experience and no diplomatic experience. Youre making the case. Then dont yoe need someone who does . Hes looking for people who understand the world like he does in some sense. I think he views he and others in his camp and some of the folks who have beened advisg him, bob gates, condoleezza rice, they believe that tillerson has had enough experience engaging with World Leaders on the world stage in the private sector and can take that experience into, you know, the state department. But in terms of trumps inner circle, there were folks who wanted anybody but romney. They did not believe that romney possessed the loyalty to do that job. Tillerson is not quite a Rudy Giuliani. Hes not the sort of longtime loyalist, but he doesnt raise a lot of the red flags in terms of temperament, in terms of stamina, and other concerns that had kind of bubbled up over the course of the last few weeks within his inner circle. The neverromney folks and the romney folks look at tillerson as someone who can satisfy both camps. They have a lot of similar attributes in terms of being global Business Leaders. Trump believes they have the stature. They can stand up in a room with Vladimir Putin and look eye to eye with those folks. Thats very important to him. The biggest problem for tillerson at this point, before we get digging into other things that are there, because this is new, is really a problem that trump is creating for him, which is the perspective that hes close to putin and that theres another layer of compromise with this odd bizarre reluctance of trump and the people around him to call russia and Vladimir Putin for what it is. Yeah, its striking to me because it doesnt have to be about delegitimizing the result of trump being president , being elected president. Its about a pattern of russia trying to interfere in american processes, in our elections, and by hacking and saying that shouldnt happen. There should be some kind of brush back pitch to russia. Were not seeing that. Yet, the president elect is not reluctant to call out china, for example, at his rallies and say theyre not playing by his rules. So that is puzzling to me at the very least. Rex tillerson is an impressive Business Leader, an impressive guy. Hes told people about the need to be tough with putin and thats how you negotiate things. I think theres no question that president elect trump looks at a guy like tillerson and sees somebody thats kind of in his image in terms of how he does things and they might have their own strategy for dealing with putin. Im sure theyre thinking, lets go out there and extract some real concession from putin. The danger is, weve seen administrations do this and then get manipulated by putin, so theyve got to be very careful. Its not clear what they know that other administrations havent known. But i do think some of the people vouching for tillerson who have worked with him, bob gates, james baker, and others, will be very strong. Tillerson is an impressive guy whos going to talk about his knowledge of putin, his business dealings with putin, and talk about how doing deals for exxonmobil is different than doing deals for the united states. Very different. Lets go to a mock hearing. A senator says, sir, you said the sanctions were our bad idea. You said it was important to look at who the sanctions hurt and who they harm. So what are you going to do if the consensus is we need to impose more sanctions . By the way, jason miller said that order of friendship award is not a big deal. That doesnt just go to anyone. Vladimir putin came to the big oil deal signing where Rex Tillerson was. These two men go back to 1999. Can you really throw out all of that friendship and all of that past and say, fine, slap tougher sanctions on russia . Yeah, i think that hes going to have to answer for all of that. Beyond the order of friendship, whether its a big deal or not, its a pretty symbolic thing that i guarantee you no matter what happens, if hes confirmed, that will come up over and over and over again. And you have john mccain whos going to say, a man who i call a thug and a murderer calls you a friend. Why should i be comfortable with you . Its a huge problem. This is going to be a litmus test for members of the senate who want to make russia an issue, who want to bring it to the table. They want to have this conversation. Whether its warranted or not, Rex Tillerson going up there as the recipient of the order of friendship from Vladimir Putin is going to have to answer for what is the policy. How do you answer that, David Gregory . I think he would say, look, you have to establish some degree of trust with a leader like putin. Ive got that. This is not friendship. Were not going on play dates. But a business deal that made them both richer. Its different when youre getting rich off deals and youre helping your business. Yes, theres going to be those questions of conflict. Nevertheless, i think he would say, ive got a working knowledge of putin. Ive negotiated across the table from putin. I know what motivates him. Because ive got that trust, im going to tell him where the lines are very clearly, and hes not going to cross that. I think thatll be the advocacy for tillerson. I think beyond russia, there are going to be a lot of other things coming up. Exxon is a giant corporation. Theyve done business in countries all around the world with regimes that may or may not be good regimes. That stuff is going to come up and its going to be a problem. Profits or people. Its going to be a big discussion. Coming up in our next hour, Rudy Giuliani. Why isnt he in the cabinet . Why didnt he get secretary of state . 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The theories, secrets, and bombshells. Hurry, hurry, hurry. Patsy . Patsy . Wow. I dont know what else youd watch tonight. That has me on the edge of my seat. Jean casarez is with me. Congratulations to you and your producer. I know how much work goes into these. I cant wait to see it. You had a long sitdown interview with her father, with john ramsey. What did he say . He lives a long ways away in a very remote area. He wants his privacy, but he allowed us to travel there to get to him. I spoke with him for hours. We heard things that id never heard before. What its done to his life. He told me hes lost his privacy. He lost his money. He lost his reputation. And he truly says for the rest of his life he is trying to find who murdered his daughter. He talks about that he knows he was the prime suspect. He knows the grand jury indicted he and his wife, even though charges were never brought and what that did to his life. They had even signed custody of burke to someone else. Their son. Yes, because they believed they were going to be charged. Because there are all of these incredibly confusing details, not to mention the ransom note, the threepage ransom note, the ransom they wanted, the exact amount, right, of his bonus. And so all of a sudden because this ransom note is too mr. Ramsey, theyre asking for the amount of his bonus, police hone in on him. His good friend comes to him, a former d. A. , and says, look, they believe you murdered your daughter. Get yourself a defense attorney, get it now, and make it the best one you can. We know theyre still investigating. All of that is tonight in the special report. Thank you so much. Jean casarez. Be sure to watch the murder of jonbenet. Thats tonight at 9 00 p. M. Eastern here on cnn. Chris . Boy, i spent a lot of time out there in colorado on that case. Our thanks to jean. Most of president elect trumps cabinet members have won thing in common. A lot of cache. Ho will that affect the choices they make in office . Were going to talk to a businessman extraordinary, steve forbes. Is business good for government . Next. Isjust wanna see ifa again . My score changed. You wanna check yours . Scores dont change that much. I havent changed. Oh, really . Its girls night they said business casual. I love summer weddings oh no. Yeah, maybe it is time. Maybe i should check my credit score. Try credit karma. Its free. Oh woah. Thats different. Check out credit karma today. Credit karma. Give yourself some credit. For patients like lynn, advanced Genomic Testing may lead to other Treatment Options that can work. Learn how Genomic Testing is changing the way we fight cancer at cancercenter. Com genomics president elect donald trump nominating rex till lerson. Mr. Forps always a pleasure. What is trump bringing in lots of high profile big bank account business men into government and the other will be Rex Tillersons specific issues with his relationship with russia. The push back that, hey, you were supposed to drain the swamp. You were supposed to be about the little guy. You keep bringing in Goldman Sachs. How is that good for the working class man . I think the bottom line is what do you get done . The three big things you see next year is the big tax cut. Trump is very serious about that. On the regulatory side hell do what reagan did when reagan took office, start serious deregulation. There are a lot of crazy regulations on the books. Hes got a whole list of them. Thats why you see the stocks of Small Cap Companies doing well. And then a Major Overhaul of health care. Done in a way where you get a more effective safety net instead of the hodgepodge system we have today. So the key thing, people dont look whos on your team as much as does the team score. To chriss point, lets just take one of those things. You put a lot out there. Lets unpack tax reform. History is an indicator for us. As you well know, the last time we had a big Corporate Tax holiday 2004, it was a total failure in terms of job creation in terms of helping middle america. It led to mainly the rich getting richer which is not problematic if youre helping those youre intending to help. It was mainly Companies Buying back their shares. What would be different this time when he cuts the Corporate Tax rate to 15 which hell get through the Republican Congress . The 2004 thing was a one shot. One shots are one shots. They dont lead to long term investing. This brought the 2004 thing brought back 18,000 to the treasury. Carl icahn said to me, he said we should have restrictions on buying back these shares so companies actually have to hire people. Well, lets get some things like the minimum wage. Trying to force things that you want to have happen dont work. We should have learned that from the 1930s and the 1970s. The way we get investments what we did in the 1980s and 90s. Hell reduce individual rates and simplify, drain the swamp of the tax code. I was in indonesia a few days ago. The finance minister there said, are you serious about reducing this to 15 , the corporate rate . I said, yes, i think he is. Oh, my god, all of us are going to have to do it. Youll see the pro business push. Why would it work better than the current reality . Sure, your notional rates are much higher but the practical rate the businesses play is routinely put at well under 20 . Its about 22, 23. You get disparate results for all different kinds of industries. Some can knock it down to zero, others take the full hit. Why not declutter the code and bring the whole thing down so you dont have to have an army of tax the tactics are youre going to help who you are. If youre a Goldman Sachs guy, youre going to help the big banks, youre going to help the rich. Thats what happened in history. Trump said he would be different. He wouldnt cut deals with the same old cronies and the joke now is hes bringing in bigger al will he gators. The last campaign had the ominous image of Goldman Sachs. He has three big goldman guys in bannon, mnuchin and cohen. Goldman has done its share of crony capitalism. Gary cohen is the president. Now hes going to run the National Economic council. What are the policies . When Franklin Roosevelt got a lot of criticism when he brought in the first head of the securities and exchange commission. The plunger, guy who drove stocks down, kind of guy who would have normally gone to jail in the modern era. Roosevelt figured he could get it done. I think what trump here is, how do you get these big things done . If you sharply reduce the tax code for individuals and for businesses, especially Small Businesses, thats a key part of it, hes going to have a fight with the house on this. Getting Small Business taxes down, getting them deregulated, thats how you start to get the economy moving. Can i ask, how would you advise when it comes to all of these companies. This week its lockheed martin. Then like just a few days before that it was boeing, all the air force ones. A few weeks before its carrier. Can you do that when youre a sitting president , just constantly is that the most effective way to change things . What hes underscoring, it shows hes not a tool of Corporate America when each day hes whacking something he doesnt like out there. On the lockheed thing, this is very significant when mattis became secretary of defense. Why is it that the weapons system programs for decades always take 15, 20 years, three, four, five times over budget. The procurement system of the Defense Department hasnt had a serious review i dont think because there are deep pocket rich guys that get the fat contracts. Now we have a bunch of them in the cabinet. You know what drives up the costs . Horrendously is the constant changes you make. When you remodel your house, if you start making change orders, the price starts to zoom up. They do this on a daily basis. Sweetheart deals also. If you clean that out, you get a simplified i used to head up the Oversight Board for radio liberty. We didnt have to go by Government Contracting regulations so when we put in a new radio transmitter, we could do it at a fraction of the cost of the voice of america because we didnt have this pile of regulations. You start to remove that out of the way youre going to get serious savings. You have to have people who know what the problem is. Thats what i think hes trying to do. Lets see what the specifics are. What regulations. How the policies come back out. Well have you back on. Looking forward to it. Always a pleasure. What do you think . Do the players matter on the field or just as steve forbes says, is it about how many points they put up on the board. Tweet us newday. Facebook us. There is a lot of news. Theres a big announcement from the trump transition team. Rudy giuliani will be on in a few minutes. Lets get to it. He knows many of the players. He knows them well. Trump announcing his nominee for secretary of state, Rex Tillerson. 50 votes. Rex tillerson is an excellent choice. I dont see how anybody can be a friend of this old time kgb agent. I think its ridiculous. Didnt need a security clearance to figure out who benefitted from malicious cyber activity. Smells like politics. I dont have to be told the same thing in the same words every single day. Our intelligence agencies, if youre not getting their perspective, you are flying blind. This is new day with chris cuomo and alisyn camerota. Good morning to you. Welcome to your new day. Its tuesday, december 13th, 8 00 in the east. Alisyn is off, poppy harlow joins me. Good morning. We bring you breaking news. President elect donald trump has chosen his secretary of state. The nominee is exxonmobile boss Rex Tillerson. Bigger names. Romney, Rudy Giuliani, what happened to them . Rudy giuliani is going to have his reaction to this and the situation with russia in just a moment. Going to be a great interview. Before that, tillersons confirmation could get heated, likely will, why . Because you have senators on both sides of the aisle with some major concerns. One republican senator even calling it unnerving because of his close ties to russia and Vladimir Putin. Just 38 days until president elect trump is inaugurated. We have the transition covered from every angle this morning. Lets begin with Jason Carroll outside of trump tower. Good morning. Reporter poppy, good morning. A number of gop leaders have come forward in support of tillerson, paul ryan and newt gingrich. Trump tweeting saying i have chosen one of the truly great Business Leaders of the world despite critics who say that tillerson does not have the type of Foreign Policy experience needed for the job and is just too close to the russian president. This morning president elect donald trump picking exxonmobile ceo Rex Tillerson for secretary of state. Sources say tillerson was recommended by former republican secretaries of state including james baker and con da lieas