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Citizens stationed in iraq while weigh out how to respond to the crisis. The terror group isis is doing a propaganda campaign. Cnn cannot confirm the authenticity of the photos. A u. S. Assault ship with 550 marines on board now moving into the gulf. The Iraqi Air Force claiming to have killed more than 200 militan militants. Were using our resources to cover this story like no other News Organization can. Lets begin with three of our cnn reporters. Arwa damon is joining us. Jim acosta has the latest and resa reports from tehran. Lets begin with arwa. Curdish forces in the north appear to be standing their own ground against these isis militants. What can you tell us about the very latest . Reporter thats right, wolf. The front lines are moving closer to baghdad with the fight seeming to focus on areas about an hour to the north of the capital. There are fairly significant battles under way between most and the syrian border. As isis was moving throughout this territory launching that massive offensive there really was one force that stood up to them. We can barely see beyond the tree line. They are ready should isi circumstancisis try to advance. The iraqi army abandoned this and other positions even before isis arrived. Its contesting the resolve. They have attacked and we pushed them back. Up to 200 fighters armed with the welcomes and vehicles be iraq army used to have. We try to ask people if they saw isis down the road. The first two cars say theres nothing. Its hard to tell if people are afraid. The family in this car says yes just five minutes away. It was fine. They just asked for our ids. The family is leaving home and everything behind. Security in the city was never reliant on the Iraqi Military. They were having significant problem taking care of themselves. We just didnt trust them. As terrorists graups are gaining this strepts and capacity, the governor felt the ned to fortify the city ordering this at the end of 2013. Theres still plans to build a fence, set up border posts and video surveillance. The city limits are controlled. The only force keeping the brutal isis onslaught at bay. Its no wonder that so many people across the country are so terrified. This is nation thats seen its fair share of violence over the past tenplus years. When you talk to people now theyll tell you what they are seeing unfolding and the promise of even more violence to come makes what they have been through seems like it wasnt all that bad. Thats how serious the situation is. Arwa day damon reporting from iraq. The Obama Administration is considering air strikes but in a yahoo news interview john kerry says thats just one possibility. They may well be one of the options that are important to be able to stem the tide and stop the movement of people moving around in open convoys and trucks and terrorizing people. When you have people murdering, assassinating in these mass massacres, you have to stop that. You do what you need to do if you have to try to stop it from the air otherwise. What are you hearing about these next moves. The president wads briefed by his National Security advisor. When asked whether this white house is approaching the crisis with the same intensity, a Senior Administration official told me they are approaching this crisis with the same urgency that they had last week and was doing so all weekend long. Safe to say that the entire National Security team for this president has been busy reviewing these options all weekend long and from what i understand from talking to Senior Administration officials the white house, National Security team was looking at the pros and cons of various options that the president might take a look at. What we dont know at this point is whether or not the president has been presented with a final set of options. That is something that were waiting to hear from this white house on. Given what we saw over the weekend, security being upgraded at the u. S. Embassy and baghdad personnel being relocated out of that embassy and even the secretary of state making those diplomatic calls throughout the weekend, it does appear the white house is making the necessary moves and taking the necessary steps that will be needed to start moving towards some military response but at this point we dont know what, if any, military response there would be at this point. It seemed like there would be something this friday. As he said, this will take several days. Several days are now passing. Its a new week. The president has just wrapped up a trip to palm springs, california and southern california. Hes now wheels up on air force one heading back toward the white house. Were hoping to have some more details. Thank you. Thanks very much. We have heard con flicking reports of irans involvement in this crisis. Two senior officials tells cnn the Obama Administration is exploring direct talks with iran over the situation. Hundreds of revolutionary guard elite troops are already in i rook now. Irans president denying that and saying he could consider a request for help. Whats going on. What does the president want . Whats going on there . Restro reporter they want a stable iraq. This rising insurgency in iraq. Its so thats what happens what washington wants. We do know there are military officials in iraq but were told that they are only there for military guidance and strategy and training. Could that change . Could it will iranian government send in forces . It is possible if things escalate in iraq but the president is down playing that scenario. Similar alliance took place in 2001. Now theres talk it could happen again because these two countries who have been bitter rivals for much of 35 years sharing some very compelling comment pauses. Obviously, the u. S. Is a lot invested in iraq. A lot of blood. They dont want the background government to topple. They dont want the insurgencies to come across iran. You look at this picture. On paper it would make sense for these two countries to unite. It hasnt happened yet but remarkable that the talk is taking place. There will be discussing in vienna this week between top u. S. And iranian officials over Irans Nuclear program. Will they also discuss iraq. We should find out fairly soon on that. Well stay in close touch with you. Next, is this tend of iraq as we know it . Some are saying partitioning the country may be the only way to hold out a civil war. The chilling words of the isis leader as he left u. S. Detention back in 2009. Quote, ill see you in new york. Well talk to the u. S. Army colonel who was facetoface with him when he uttered those words. Defiance is in our bones. Defiance never grows old. Citracal maximum. Calcium citrate plus d. Highly soluble, easily absorbed. Turn to roc® retinol correxion®. One week, fine lines appear to fade. One month, deep wrinkles look smoother. After one year, skin looks ageless. High performance skincare™ only from roc®. After one year, skin looks ageless. Listen up, thunder dragons, its time to get a hotel. Hey, razor. Check this out. We can save big with priceline express deals. Hey you know what man, these guys aint no dragons. Theyre cool. These deals are legit. Yeah, were cool. 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Cortizone10. Feel the heal. Welcome back to our special report, crisis in iraq. Iraqi forces are fighting back saying they have killed 200 militants but the crisis is threatening to explode into an all out civil war. What are you hearing about this possibility that a hundred years of this basically, fake map that was drawn up could explode and three separate countries could emerge out of iraq . Many leaders in the region who i had been interviewing and many u. S. Commanders say its really hard to avoid that reality. It looks like thats whats happening in a defacto way. One of the big problems is that part of that partition will be an al qaeda run state like part of iraq and syria. That is a major, major problem. I have not been so worried about this since 9 11 and since the taliban take over. Tell us why. This is so fundamental. For ten years or more the United States has been battling to cripple and defeat al qaeda and they were doing a pretty good job in afghanistan and at the end of the surge in iraq. Now all of a sudden this is coming back. If you have to even try to imagine what it might mean, the words of the new York City Police commissioner when he said were terrified of blow back coming to new york city. Thats 12 years after 9 11. Its because of the syria war which has been left to fester and now all of this stand back and not intervene has manifested itself in iraq. It doesnt look so much like it will be a sectarian civil war but a partition. Youve been speaking to u. S. Officials as concerned about this crisis. Absolutely. Youre already seeing the battle lines drawn along the ethnic lines. Isis and its sunni allies have taken over a part of the country. Up in the north theyre making their own strike. The battle lines already reflect those divisions. It also presents a dilemma for the administration as to how do they help. The Iraqi Military is seen as a shia militia. Thats why a political agreement is so essential in these stages that when the u. S. Comes in, it does. Its for a unified iraq and not for one side even inadvertently in whats becoming an ethic battle. The iranians might be able for cooperation with the United States. Many, many adversary points and sometimes they have cooperated. Is responsible for the survival right now. When you have a situation that threatened the two, the United States and iran then perhaps theres sop opportunistic room for cooperation. Nobody, not the u. S. And not the iranians want to see iraq break up. The big problem is how to stop the march of isis. Nobody really believes, i dont think any way, nobody has said yet that they think isis could take the citys huge, complex and shia dominated as baghdad. They have made these lightning fast advanced. Is the u. S. Going to talk to the iranians on this . Is there going to be some level of coordination . They left open the possibility of speaking to officials this morning. They talked about how in that context that the subject of iraq will likely come up as well. They are clearly especially to it. Thanks very much. You ready for tomorrow . Very ready. Hard questions, hard choices. This will be the subject of town hall with hillary clinton. Lots of people will want to ask her questions about this deep, deep threat to our global security. Well be watching every step of the way. And the American People chosen to ask questions. Coming up, the colonel who watched the isis leader walk away from u. S. Custody. What he thought of the man then and now. Our special report continues after this. New private sector jobs. Making new york state number two in the nation in new private sector job creation. With 10 Regional Development strategies to fit your business needs. 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Let me play a bit of what the president of the United States said last november when he welcomed the Prime Minister of iraq to the white house. We were encouraged by the work that the Prime Minister has done in the past to ensure that all people inside of iraq feel that they have a voice in their government. He said he was encouraged. That was back in november. A lot of observers were saying then, when tom freedman wrote that nori is a jerk and the president s optimism at that time. What was he thinking . I dont know. I dont get it. Just days after u. S. Troops left and its true that he did not approve an agreement to keep them there. Hes been on a tear to create a shia dominated state. Its tragedy there and the whole world is paying for that. Do you believe all of that optimism since the u. S. Withdrawal is justified that things were moving in the right direction . That he was working a crew and that democracy was really in play . He did a few good things. He cooperated with our surge forces in terms of getting with instability and conflict. During the second term there was real problem in bringing all iraqis together and working with them. Our withdrawal has created a vacuum thats been filled by regional rivals. Bambassador, you were there. You were in u. S. Ambassador in iraq. Was it really very legitimate to think this guy would do the right thing . Yeah. Kind of if i had the bad, ill have the good. We were able to do a fair number of things with them. We were able to cooperate with him on some things. Hes not an instinctive plurist. Most of the people around him on all sides really not that way either. There wasnt a whole lot to choose from. Are you saying the country will be partitioned to three parts . No. Im saying it wont be held together by jeffersonian, liberal rule of law, constitutional consideration. We the still hold the country together if we play our cards right. All three of you standby. 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An isis militant posted new videos on a Facebook Page showing five captured men being interrogated. Another video shows one of the men after he was executed. A u. S. Amphibious assault ship now moving into the persian gulf. Iraqi forces strike back. The Iraqi Air Force claimed to have killed more than 200 militants in air raid. That according to iraqi state television. Lets bring back our panel. Some workers at the u. S. Embassy are very nervous. The u. S. Spent a Million Dollars building the largest embassy in the world thinking this would be the heart of a great democracy in iraq. Now the few thousand who are left there military, contractors, others, a lot of them are worried this could be the end. Thing is an important issue, an issue for the americans that are there. We have to think about contingencies for withdrawing them safely. How worried should americans be that the 4 our 5,000 americans who are there could get caught up in a saigon evacuation. I think we have learned the lessons of benghazi. I dont really see isis taking baghdad. I do think t urgent business to help convene a regional meeting. This could easily be done. A meeting is going on in vienna right now between iraq and the United States. It can be and should be done. The action taken, there needs to be a political track and a military track to stop isis. At what point does the president of the United States tell those american diplomats, contractors, personnel, its time to get out . Usually the president doesnt do that in one fell swoop, swol of. You reduce the number of personnel and change its competition. Security forces are flowing in. People who are not essential to the Immediate Mission are flowing to other places so you dont have as many people to move. The danger isnt that baghdad will be overrun. The danger is that isis could surround and cut off and besiege all of baghdad. Thats the problem facing the president right now. What would happen if that were to occur if isis surrounds baghdad . What would be the impact . If they cant drooi them out and not good on the obviousive, either the iranians could come in in a big way or well have to use our fire power to drive them back. Or the neighborhood could intervene. This is a regional problem and theyre all affected. The idea that they could fall, not just fail. Thats interesting. Iraqi military despite the billions in u. S. Assistance, weapons, training, crumbling in parts of iraq. Some of these militia are coming to the aid. The success or hope of building a professional military community with respect that we further undermine, i think if theres a political settlement, that may involve the Prime Minister to step aside so that the people that sunni areas can cooperate with the new government as they did during the surge period, they shifted sides from the extremists to the government and to the coalition. We need to do the same thing. Was that surge successful because the u. S. Taxpayers were basically paying off those sunni leaders. They were spending millions and millions of dollars just describing these guys. Wolf, it was successful. It stopped the insurgency was it because of the money the u. S. Was shelling out . It was because of more troops. It was because of more money. There were a dozen reasons. The end result was it succeeded. It gave iraq a chance to try to start a new. That chance has been squandered. It has. Well continue this conversation. Thanks to all three of you. President obama getting slammed on iraq be my Top Republicans. One standing by to join us to explain why hes demanding better answers from the commander in chief. The effects of the conflict spilling over the countrys borders. Hes agreed to give it up. Thats today . [ male announcer ] well be with him all day as he goes back to taking tylenol. I was okay, but after lunch my knee started to hurt again. And now ive got to take more pills. Yup. Another pill stop. Can i get my aleve back yet . For my pain, i want my aleve. [ male announcer ] look for the easyopen red arthritis cap. Welcome back to our special report, crisis in iraq. President obama is getting slammed by a whole bunch of republicans. Senator james inhofe put out a very strong statement the other day. It reads the nation deserves better answers from president obama. The president needs to put forward a come prehence ifr strategy for iraq and the middle east. One that tells our military men and women that their blood, suite and tears over the past decade werent in vain. Senator inhofe joining us. Thanks for coming in. Nice to be with you. Blood, sweat and tears came from a guy named bryan hacklor. He had many of his people in the marines killed. They are devastated over whats happened. I was there in 2005 when general petraeus was there. They werent even thinking about a surge then. It looked like the marine had done a pretty good job and right now its hard to believe and heartbreaking to think about it. Its heartbreaking when you think of that blood, sweat and tears invested by the u. S. Trying to secure some sort of semblance of democracy in iraq. What do you want president obama to do . First of all, we in 2009, 2010, and 2013 we sent some very strong recommendations to the president and said whatever you do, dont cut and run and leave them without any intelligence and other sources. He did it any way. What do you want him to do . I understand we do have some tomahawks in the persian gulf. They can hit anything in iraq if it becomes necessary. I think we need to do some air strikes. The main thing is to offer them the support of having the intelligence and then the equipment that they need to have. We just walked away from it. The u. S. Left behind a ton of equipment for the Iraqi Military and spent billions of dollars training them and gave them the help for nearly a decade. The first semblance of a little tension they take off their uniforms, they run away. The isis militants have captured dozens and dozens of hum vees, tanks, armored personnel carriers. There was no resistance. Thats true for about a decade. We were giving them a lot of equipment. It was the abrupt withdrawal. I know this because the oklahoma 45th was involved in the training over there. Just all of a sudden take it away without leaving any of the chief, easy, no boots on the Ground Support you want the u. S. To send troops into iraq . No. Hes doing that already. Hes sending a bunch of marines into the green zone. That part is all right just protect the ones that are there and help them get out. You want cruise missiles and i assume drone strikes. A lot of these militants are in jeeps, tow trucks. Theyre just driving around. Finding the right targets, you spend a Million Dollars sending in a tomahawk cruise missile, it could kill a bunch of civilians. They will make sure they have target they can hit and utilize. We have to give them the support we also do. Sg c can you trust nuri . He agreed to put some sunni in his cabinet and he didnt do that. Hes partially to blame for the problems that we have. Now their talking about joining in with iran on this thing which would be a horrible mistake. Even senator Lindsey Graham suggested maybe its time pr the u. S. To start discussing options with iran as awful as the u. S. Iranian relationship is. We have to leave it there. Well continue this conversation on another occasion. Well take a quick break. More news right after this. S fr. Like 50,000 bonus points when i spent 5,000 in the first 3 months after i opened my account. And i earn 5 times the rewards on internet, phone services and at Office Supply stores. With ink plus i can choose how to redeem my points. 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Later, the isis insurgents in iraq, this man, spent four years in u. S. Custody in iraq. And when he was released back in 2009, he said to the camps commanding officer, and im quotesing al baghdadi now, ill see you in new york. Was he the dangerous militant then that he has become right now . Lets bring in colonel ken king, former commander at camp buca, case to face with al baghdadi when he said those words. Thanks for joining us. Good afternoon, wolf. Thank you for having me. Take us back to that last encounter you had with al baghdadi when he said to you, ill see you in new york. Ill see you guys in new york, the specific quote. What did you think at the time . Was he referring to a another 9 11 attack in new york or what was his message to you . Well, he first off, i was an army reserve commander, commanded an mp battalion, and we were responsible for the Detention Center at camp buca iraq. Al baghdadi knew we were a new york unit from long island. And when we did our detainee transport missions up north to baghdad, because we released no detainees from camp buca. We always transferred north of baghdad for the iraqis to do disposition. As we handed them off to the next unit, the chain of custody, he looked back to us, saw our patches and he said ill see you in new york. Now, again, him knowing we were from new york, i believe that what he was saying at the time was that he thought that he would be out and released in short order. And apparently he was. And he is now in charge of isis. Did you know, because he spent four years in u. S. Military custody at camp buca. Did you guys realize then that he was a brutal, brutal terrorist, someone who would go out and create this kind of Terror Organization . An organization that even al qaeda says is too extreme for them . Well, we had many of the most dangerous folks in the world there at camp buca. And we had them in a certain area, identified them and put them in a certain compound. To be honest, he was not in that compound. He did exhibit certain events, and he did expect certain tendencies and behaviors, but while he was dangerous, he was not one of the most dangerous. At least at the time. What was your impression of this guy . You got to see him in action under these military prison conditions. He was very intelligent, hes very savvy. Again, when you spend a number a period of time within the Detention Center, you have nothing to do but to watch, to understand the rules, to look to be habits, et cetera. Which is why one of the tendencies we did was to rotate our detainees through the compounds and rotate our guard forces, so that we did not have any habits established or they were able to take advantage of habits. But he was very aware of the rules. He was also very aware of the ramifications of violating the rules. Number of times he tried to instigate a reaction out of my guard force and my soldiers and sailors were very professional, maintained discipline and self discipline at all times. And we did not let him escalate anything within the camp. And as a result, we had no escapes during our tenure. Colonel king, i want you to stay with us. I want to continue this interview. I want to take a quick break. Much more with colonel king right after this. 62 and older about a great way to live a better retirement. Its called a reverse mortgage. [ male announcer ] call right now to receive your free dvd and booklet with no obligation. It answers questions like how a reverse mortgage works, how much you qualify for, the ways to receive your money, and more. Plus, when you call now, youll get this magnifier with l. E. D. Light absolutely free. When you call the experts at one reverse mortgage today, youll learn the benefits of a governmentinsured reverse mortgage. It will eliminate your monthly mortgage payments and give you taxfree cash from the equity in your home. And heres the best part you still own your home. Take control of your retirement today. Dont just visit new york visit tripadvisor new york with millions of reviews, tripadvisor makes any destination better. Were back with colonel ken king, former commander at camp bucca, facetoface with al baghdadi, the isis leader, when he uttered those words, ill see you guys in new york. And just to repeat, when he said to you after four years of captivity, ill see you guys in new york, you did not see that as a direct threat, another 9 11 threat, did you . I did not see it as a direct threat at the time. I saw it as a i believed he had confidence he would be released to the iraqi judicial system. However, that being said, looking at things today and recent developments, i might consider those things those same words under a different context now. I would too. I think with hindsight, it was clearly in my mind, at least, a direct threat. So when you hear about whats going on right now, colonel king, how frustrated are you . How angry are you that all the blood, sweat and tears, all the effort that u. S. Military personnel did in iraq seems, at least now, seems to be wasted . Well, i as we discussed earlier, wolf, i spent a year in 03, 04 as a Civil Affairs officer during the first rotation. And we did a lot of the nationbuilding, returning to normalcy. And youre absolutely right. We spent a lot of time, a lot of effort there. When i when i found out that the Iraqi Ministry of justice had released al baghdadi, personal personally, yes, i was disappointed. Because we built legal cases for all detainees for them to be adjudicated. And to see the fact that he was released was a bit personally disappointing. However, i must respect the decisions of a sovereign he government. The sovereign government in baghdad. Nouri al maliki, turned out to be such a huge disappointment, right . Yes. The release was disappointing to me. Very disappointing. Would you send u. S. Troops back into iraq, under these circumstances . I well, thats a decision thats way above my pay grade, wolf. I however, i think there are a number of ways we can help somebody when theyre asking for help. The culture, as i was as i was exposed to it during 03, 04, 08, 09, a culture that action and force. It understands deeds over words. And i understand, again, watching the news, watching your reports, that iraq is looking for help. Well, my experience has always been, when someone is looking for help, they will continue to ask for help until they get help. So the short anticipatswer is, think we should accepted troops in, thats really not my call. But i think there are a number of ways we can probably help the Iraqi Government if we deem fit. If we deem so. Key word, if. All right, colonel king, thanks so much for joining us. Thanks so much for your service to the United States. We deeply, deeply appreciate it. Thats it for me. Thanks very much for watching. Ill be back 5 00 p. M. Eastern in swfigures the situati