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Failure. The n. A. T. S. Put out a tweet saying they are having trouble with the control system. Its likely what helps the planes line up and take off. Its a very, very congested region. There are flights, of course, that would fly over london going to north america, going into europe, into south africa as well. So it has caused major chaos. Many, many flights are being canceled and its not just if you are flying into london. Other flights are being diverted to places like amsterdam and north of england and flights are being canceled from airports far and wide. British airways say they will refund. Anybody who doesnt wish to fly and heathrow is saying the cancellations will continue into tomorrow. Were talking about a very, very crowded air space and there will be a lot of chaos for hours and probably days to come. When they say its some sort of computer program, was somebody trying to hack into it . Was it just a glitch or some sort of automatic computer problem . Are they releasing any details . Well, first they said there was a power outage and now they are saying that that is not correct. We were hearing Power Outages and then we heard computer glitch. There will be deep investigations into whether there could be a hack and the airlines have said this is totally unacceptable because we have seen this system go down before. We saw it in december of last year and weve seen it in past years. The uk government has said this is also unacceptable that this system could go down and cause such chaos. Certainly they will be investigating whether it could possibly be a hack. Right now they are saying not a power outage, a computer failure. Thanks very much, jim boulden reporting for us from london. Lets bring in our safety analyst david sousie. Everybo soucy. Youve heard that this has happened before. Whats your analysis . Could it happen again . Could it happen here in the United States . Well, yeah, actually it could and it has. If you think back to just chicago a few short months ago when there was a fire down in the lower section of the control center, this is the concern, is that if there is a single point of failure and its supposed to be designed not to do that, if theres a single point of failure because everything is integrated, that single point of failure has impacts that are farreaching, as you mentioned before. Its going to reach far and wide and could be months before this gets back to normal. And the investigation, i assume, only just beginning. They say it wasnt a power outage, although that was the initial suspicion. What other problems could generate this kind of air traffic problem crisis, lets call it . Well, the part of the software that failed, as i understand it, is the scheduling part of the software. What that does is tell all of the controllers throughout the whole network, through the n. A. T. S. , throughout the National Transportation system, what happens, what is going to happen next. This is the software that tells the controllers to put that airplane into the holding pattern. Without that, its left entirely up to the controllers to maintain separation, to understand at what point the plane has to land, how fast the airplane is going. All of those things are considered by this software. When it shuts down, its a huge burden on the air Traffic Controllers and i pat them on the back for getting this up and running without the software. We obviously dont know what the cause of this problem was but, in general and we dont know if it has anything to do with hacking, how vulnerable are these systems to hacking . They are really not vulnerable at all to hacking. I shouldnt say at all because theres always a hacker that is going to try to do it himself but so far there have been no actual hacking successes. Theres been a lot of attempts, probably, that i dont know of. But theres been a lot of attempts but not any actually through the firewall to take control of any fire in any i wa. This is the first time i dont think thats what happened here. I think the power glitched at first and it may have happened and triggered this Software Failure because there is, as i mentioned, a single point of failure with that particular software. Is there builtin redundancy so if there is a problem, it can automatically be repaired because other systems go to work . There is, wolf. The challenge here is that were working with an infrastructure designed in the 50s and 60s still. Theres experts in the United States and in the uk and over in europe to upgrade the infrastructure. Thats been delayed mostly because the United States has sequestered the funding for nexgen which has delayed it for years. So there is redundancy built into the system but its kind of like putting bandaids on it and continuing to repair all of their systems rather than start with a new infrastructure. Has air traffic around the world, air travel become so overburdened that even a relatively minor glitch could cause enormous headaches for travelers, not only in the london area but around the world . Yeah, it certainly can, wolf. Theres more to it than that. The way i describe this system is as a sand pile and youre continuing to add safety fixes to this overburdened system and eventually the sand pile has to avalanche down and normalize itself and so every time you add a safety feature, because everything is so integrated and so large that they all rely on each other. When that gets overburdened too far, you can have an avalanche of failures and i dont see that happening right now but without the furthering of the nexgen system, we can be looking at that avalanche within the next year or so. David sousie, thank you for joining us. Up next, president obama is weighing in on sports and critically important social issues. Were going to hear what he has to say about, quote, the american team. And later, Michele Bachmann is wrapping up her time in the United States congress. Shes going to be my guest. Well talk about government, responsibility spending and her own future. The always outspoken Michele Bachmann here for an exit interview. Thats coming up later this hour. I have the worst cold with this runny nose. I better take something. Dayquill cold and flu doesnt treat your runny nose. Seriously . Alkaseltzer plus cold and cough fights your worst cold symptoms plus your runny nose. Oh, what a relief it is. Just in time for the holidays. Tmobile introduces americas only unlimited 4g lte family plan. Get two lines of unlimited 4g lte data for just 100 bucks a month. With any smart phone. Including the Samsung Galaxy note 4, for 0 down. 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Weve seen the president at several different venues, b. E. T. , telemundo, the colbert report. Whats going on . Clearly in this interview he was making an appeal for cooperation, bipartisanship in washington. Reporter right, wolf. Its amazing that hes saying were all in the same team after the government almost shut down last night. They want to go where the viewers are, the listeners are. The president put in a pitch for healthcare. Gov. Open enrollment is going on right now. The president talked about that and other sportsrelated politics. He says he doesnt watch politics. He watches sports center. He decompresses. He was on telemundo and talking about his action plan and i was asking a white house official, are you guys just going around us and sort of going to nontraditional Media Outlets . They said, no, weve been doing a lot with you guys lately but they go beyond us from time to time and thats what they have been doing this week. He also spoke about the intersection of professional sports and critically important social issues that have been in the news lately and in particularly the case of a football player, ray rice, who was suspended after hitting his then fiancee, now his wife. Listen to this. Im so glad that we got more awareness about domestic violence. Obviously the situation that happened in the rice family was unfortunate but lifted up awareness that this is a real problem that we have to root out and men have to change their attitudes and their behavior and it has to start young. But the way it was handled also indicates that the nfl was behind the curb and sending a clear message. Yeah. He clearly wants to make that point, that obviously has to be made. The nfl has to learn from what happened in this particular case. He is an extraordinary sports fan, right . Reporter he is. And wolf, right when the nfl commissioner Roger Goodell is on the hot seat and people are talking about him being thrown out, i thought it was striking to say that the nfl was behind the curve, winging it, referring to it as a good old boys club. He doesnt like the way that the nfl handled that ray rice matter and it was clear in that interview and went on to say that he thinks the Chicago Bulls will do pretty well in the nba this season. He somehow overlooked the fact that our washington wizards, wolf, are going to win the finals. I think he made a mistake there. He obviously did. Well see what happens game by game. Jim acosta, a Good Washington wizards fan as am i. The house approves a massive spending bill and narrowly avoids a shutdown. Why Tea Party Conservatives and liberal democrats oppose the bill and what happens next. [ man ] i remember when i wouldnt give a little cut a second thought. When i didnt worry about the hepatitis c in my blood. 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Whats going to happen in the senate . Well, the expectation at this point is that it will pass but its probably going to be close and we dont know when its going to happen. The latest message i got from somebody in democratic leadership is probably today but the definition of today could mean before we go to sleep, which could mean before the sun comes up tomorrow morning because they have to decide when they are going to do it and one of the most fascinating dynamics is over the past couple of years weve been waiting to see if things are going to get passed or not mostly because of republican opposition. This is coming from some republicans but mostly the most outspoken Elizabeth Warren had not answered the question from me and others about whether she was so opposed to this that she would use all of her powers and she has a lot to stop this. Its interesting, gloria. You have Tea Party Conservatives on the republican side, very liberal democrats who are opposed for Different Reasons and you add them together and they potentially they didnt succeed in the house of representatives to block it but potentially they could succeed in the senate where there are different rules where you might need 50 votes, lets say. Elizabeth warren opposes the repeal of these wall street reforms that she supports and conservatives, of course, say wait a minute, we didnt stop obama from funding his immigration plan. So, you know, they come at it from different ways but on a larger point, wolf, what this proves is the democrats are not afraid of obama. These conservative republicans are not afraid of their leadership. Theres no price to pay anymore. If they cross them. So why not do it . When you think about it dana, the democratic leader in the house, nancy pelosi, chris van hollen, another leader, despite the personal lobbying by the president , despite dennis mcdonough, the white house chief of staff appealing to all of the democrats to appeal this legislation, they didnt like it. They didnt like it and they were incredibly vocal and it was something that we dont see a lot. We are sort of the story line, as i said the past couple of years, has been in the republican ranks, Republican Leaders not being able to keep their rank and file in check. Now its a little bit of a different dynamic but the same kind of issue that youre seeing on the left. And i think what this is telling us is that, in this case, it certainly was a big bill, over 1600 pages. Members, understandably, feel that its their job to understand it and read what is in it. At the end of the day, what they tried to do was legislate and govern and theyve been working for months to actually fund the government for an entire year, set their priorities. And there just is a lot more power in both wings of the party. And as gloria said, not a lot of repercussions to for buck the party for lots of reasons. Its a different kind of situation here and it does make legislating a lot harder. Its not every day you hear nancy pelosi saying to the president of the United States not that legislating has been easy. You are wrong, you are wrong. Exactly. Gloria, youve been a lot of reporting on mitt romney over the years. All of us have. Now theres a major story out there in politico suggesting maybe hes not that 100 definite with the no, no, no, he could seek the third time to run for the republican president ial nomination. Maybe hes leaving that door open a little bit. Heres my reporting on this, wolf. Theres never any harm in leaving the door open. It doesnt hurt you in any way, shape or form. I think there are some folks close to mitt romney who, of course, would like him to run again. But i think the only way, the only way and i think this is a very slim possibility youd see a mitt romney candidacy is if hes the white knight. And if for some reason, all of the other candidates look smaller and smaller and smaller, we went through this the last time around, is Chris Christie going to be the white knight for the republican party, that perhaps romney would come in very, very late in the game. There are some funders who want him to go in, some former staff want him to go in. They still love him but i think the likelihood is still small unless he comes in as someone who can save the party at the very end. I dont see him going through the entire process again. It will be an intriguing game to watch to see what he decides. Yep. Were waiting to see if jeb bush is going to get in, too. Hillary clinton, we know shes going to be getting in. Yes, we do. All right. Still ahead, fallout over the cia torture report and the remarks by john brennan. Did he admit that laws were broken . Well update you on the latest information. Were taking a closer look. A woman who loves to share her passions. Grandma mary has atrial fibrillation, an irregular heartbeat not caused by a heart valve problem. That puts her at a greater risk of stroke. Rome . Sure before xarelto®, mary took warfarin, which required monthly trips to get her blood tested. But thats history. Back to the museum . Not this time now that her doctor switched her to onceaday xarelto®, mary can leave those monthly trips behind. Domestic flight . Not today like warfarin, xarelto® is proven effective to reduce afibrelated stroke risk. But xarelto® is the first and only onceaday prescription blood thinner for patients with afib not caused by a heart valve problem that doesnt require regular blood monitoring. 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A devastating fire back in 2013. It basically stripped the hillsides of vegetation. The Ventura County Fire Department worried a long time about this. Last night, overnight, in just three hours they got between an inch and a half and two inches of rain and that loosened up the hillsides and these rocks just came tumbling and thundering down. Wolf . How many people were injured . Reporter that we know of nobody injured in this proximity. They were crossing their fingers and counting their blessings. It looks like everybody got out of here not only alive but unhurt in this immediate area, wolf. A lot of Property Damage but fortunately no injuries. Appreciate it very much. Well stay in close touch with you, paul. Thanks very much. Other news were following, fear of prosecution now in the wake of the cia torture report, the United Nations official says anyone in the cia involved with the program could be prosecuted he also says they could be considered war crimes. John brennan alluded to the fact that laws may have been broken. Listen to this. In a limited number of cases, officers used techniques that were not authorized, were abhorrent and should rightly be repudiated by all and we fell Short Holding some officers accountable for their mistakes. Lets bring in david gergen and david, the ceo of Foreign Policy magazine and author of a brandnew book titled National Insecurity American Leadership in an era of fear. David gergen, first to you, should cia officials be worried . Those who served in the Bush Administration and authorized these enhanced interrogation techniques, should they be worried about going to belgium or sprain and arrest them on war crimes . No. I dont know who that u. N. Official was. Americans will not stand for that. Its unfair. Its unthinkable i dont think its going to happen. It only hurts the u. N. , frankly. John rizzo, was the cia council, the memorandums authorizing these enhanced interrogation techniques called torture. Alberto gonzales became the attorney general. Both said to me this week they are reluctant to go to europe because they fear they could be arrested. And so there is this fear out there about what could happen. A magistrate in one of those nato allies could think its a good time to score political points back home. I think david is absolutely right. The American People would be outraged. Having said that, the rest of the world is outraged by the reports of torture in the United States. People may press their governments to hold action and hold the United States accountable in the same way that the United States is constantly calling to hold other countries accountable. And so i think it is risky and i dont think its just torture. I think the Drone Program is also the kind of thing that will produce backlash in the long run and one of the reasons that you saw president obama walking a very fine line on this. You know, he was talking about these and brennan were talking about these abhorrent behavior but they were also, you know, saying perhaps enough is enough, brennan yesterday said, you know, weve had enough transparency on this. I think they would like to see this go away because they have their own vulnerabilities. If you take a look, david gergen, International Reaction to what is going on, a lot of countries are going to go out there and say, dont lecture us about human rights. You have your own issues, whether its because of the enhanced interrogation or because of the Drone Program, your reaction to that . I think its right to have america questioned by other nations. I think our actions, as mr. Brennan yesterday acknowledged, our actions in some cases did go way out of bounds and there was, in effect, torture and i think the International Community has a right to say to us, dont lecture us on that thing. But to think that youre going to prosecute these people, you know, they are just going to im telling you, the reaction to that would just be unbelievably tough out of this country and we dont want to listen, president obama warned a long time ago, several months ago, people should not get too sanctimonious and some of the countries lecturing us about torture, they have violated a lot more human rights and i think we need to have a serious conversation in the United States. I thought mr. Brennan yesterday provided a much more balanced account, acknowledging mistakes. I think that david is right that we need to talk about these Drone Programs. I think thats fair conversation and within the country and internationally but what we got yesterday was a much more balanced, less onesided view of what happened than i think it worth understanding. We had a report that came out from a Democratic Committee with democratic members only on the senate and now we have somebody coming from a Democratic Administration and trusted by the president to run the cia, his word deserved a lot of weight. David rothkopf, you tweeted yesterday, why does john brennan say my fervent hope is we can put aside this debate. Why would Administration Want it set aside. What is your point . This is barack obama. He came into office. He said he wanted more transparency. Now that hes been sitting in the office for six years, hes saying perhaps thats enough. I think we need to ask the question why. I think drones are part of the reason why. I think the nsa scandal is part of the reason why. I think were coming out of a period of maybe a decade and a half of the United States over reacting to the Terror Threat and doing a number of things that later on we are going to say that weve regretted doing and this administration has done them just like the Bush Administration has done them and thats why i think they would just like to take one step back and, you know, let the dim go away and perhaps change the subject to something else. Will people be prosecuted . I dont want them to be prosecuted but i do think its important that we acknowledge what we did, we dont play semantic games. This was torture. And that we say were not going to do it again and that theres a bright line there. Very quickly, david. I think one reason they want this to go away, we have a war against isis and they need to keep the coalition together. When they have these International Controversies breaking out, it may make it tougher to go against isis. David gergen and david rothkopf, thank you so much. 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Take the comcast business speed test. Get faster speeds or more savings, or well give you 150. Comcast business. Built for business. This is the room where the laws of our nation are formulated. Our founders meant that the house of representatives would be the most powerful form of government. Why . Because it would be these 435 members that we eventually became. We would hold the power of the purse. We would hold the nations credit card. Minnesota republican congresswoman Michele Bachmann in her Farewell Speech on the floor of the house of representatives. This came two days before the vote on the 1. 1 trillion spending bill. The congresswoman, soon to be the ex congresswoman, Michele Bachmann is joining me now. I want to talk about what youre planning to do but you hated this 1. 1 trillion bill. You voted against it. Tell us why. I did. Because it funded the president s illegal work permits and the members of the house of representatives wanted a chance to be able to at least vote on defunding the work permits. That provision wasnt allowed to us. The bill came out really late and we didnt have a time to digest this bill and we were saying, look, why in the world are we funding government completely until october 1st when the department of Homeland Security until february when another vote will have to take place. All of the government is funded except for Homeland Security. You have to compromise to keep the government going so avoid a shutdown. Ive been married 36 years. I understand all about compromise. Thats the way of the world. But there was no compromise. This was a top down, jam it down your throat bill on both sides of the aisle and we have barack obama and john boehner lobbying for passage of the same bill but, again, this was all about amnesty. In this particular vote, you totally think he made a mistake . Well, john boehner was kind enough to have a meeting a private meeting with me and steve king yesterday afternoon. We offered an alternative to what we eventually voted on. We said lets fund the government for 60 days and at least let us have a vote on defunding the president s illegal amnesty and john boehner wasnt going to have any of it. We had the vote passed last night. Youre now wrapping up eight years in the house of representatives. What would you say was the most important vote you took. The one i took last night. The most important . It was the most consequential vote because its a constitutional crisis. Remember, amnesty is not a law that congress passed. The president spoke it into existence. He didnt even issue an executive order. He spoke it into existence and Congress Went along and funded the president s pronouncement. Its beyond any imagination and thats what we are contending for. I just came from the National Archive where i just paid homage to the bill of rights. What we saw last night was a denial of our constitution. Because our president acted outside of the limitations under article 2. The speaker of the house, the Republican Leadership as well. Listen, im with you. This was the political establishment on both sides of the aisle. They worked out a deal. They worked out a deal, the cake was baked months ago. Why are you leaving congress . Why am i . You werent defeated. I wasnt defeated, right. I chose not to run. I maximized every minute that he was here for eight years and now i think that i can, so to speak, take the handcuffs off. We are limited to do a lot of things here and i intend to go around the country and speak nationally on a lot of different issues. Ill be writing. Ill be affiliating with groups and maybe come back and talk to you once in a while. So im really looking forward to having the freedom to go and weigh in, especially up until 2016. I occupy a very unique space. Im the only woman on the republican side whos ever been in a president ial debate. I was in 15 of them. And presumably we will have a woman on the democratic ticket in 2016. I have no plans to put together a committee and run again but i plan to be involved. I have no plans to run. This is a big thing and theres about 16 candidates, my count, on the republican side who are looking at running and im not looking at doing that but i am being looking at being involved and ill help whoever o our eventual nominee is. Theres not completely ruling it out. Without a campaign committee, you dont fly. Are you thinking about it . No. Not really, no. You have to do something, youve got to go out there and speak. Ill be speaking and writing and weighing in. Ive been on the front lines for eight years. While mrs. Clinton was secretary of state, i was a member on the intelligence committee, i was in congress at the time dealing with this issue of benghazi and all the rest and so i have a lot to say about these issues for 2016. Michele bachmann, im sure well be speaking over the months and years. Thanks very much for joining us. You were fabulous as a moderator in the president ial debates. Thank you very much. Maybe youll be in one. You didnt say never. You didnt rule it out completely. Well, youre a great moderator. You never know. Never say never. Well see what happens. Michele bachmann, thanks very much. Thank you. Coming up, a commander f isis says it played a key role. Treat chest congestion. T really . New alkaseltzer plus day powder rushes relief to your worst cold symptoms plus chest congestion. Oh, what a relief it is. Here we go thanks. [ male announcer ] fedex® has solutions to enable Global Commerce that can help your company grow steadily and quickly. 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Heres what the guardian reporter said about what was sa said. He saw him as a divisive figure and was trying to divide and conquer to establish his own authority and someone that did have leadership skills and someone that could act as arbitrator within camp disputes. Somebody who could mediate. He also said that the american guards trusted the now leader of isis. He was trusted by his american guards and saw him as a fixer. Someone capable of settling disputes between competing factions. He was allowed to roam loosely around the camp and have access to places that other inmates were not allowed to have access to. This is a quote. He talked about how this was such a breeding ground for terrorists. If there was no american prison in iraq, there would be no isis. It made us all. It built our ideology. The pentagon told the guardian this was the best way to house the most dangerous people in iraq at the time. Again, the pentagon may have to answer some tough questions. Why were these dangerous people allowed to roam freely including the man who is now the leader of isis. Why is this isis commander speaking out right now . Hes having second thoughts about joining isis. He is still a senior commander. A dangerous figure within isis. They are so vicious. So violent. He says they go against some of the things that he grew up with, the principle that he believes in that are much more peaceful. Hes having second thoughts but he couldnt leave the group because hell be killed if he does. Many of us remember the reports that last word that the leader of isis said to his american captors who let him go he said ill see you in new york. Infamous words. Fingers are pointing at north korea and massive hacking of Sony Pictures computers out in hollywood was a sony movie to blame and is north korea really capable of carrying out such a hacking attack . Well speak to an expert from north korea coming up. Stay with us. That makes our lives possible. Because we do. 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Sony pictures deals with a huge crisis over the leaking of the companys emails, investigators are trying to track down the hackers and north korea is a prime suspect in the leaking which prompted an apology by sony cochairwoman. The plot of the new movie, the interview involves assassination of kim jongun and they called the hacking a righteous deed but denies it is responsible. Were joined from hong kong now. Mike, you have been to north korea 17 times over the years. First of all, do you think north korea technically is capable of hacking Sony Pictures . The honest answer is that nobody knows for sure. And evidence is still inconclusive in the sony case. North koreans are believed to have a fairly extensive sort of cyber warfare hacking capability and last year they were widely blamed for sophisticated attacks on south korean banks and news organizations. Its not impossible, but we have no way of knowing for sure. And would the justification from their perspective, the rationale, be this hollywood film . A comedy, if you will, that they would see this as so revolting it would generate this sort of hacking attack . Its entirely possible. There are a number of reasons why. First of all, in fairness to the North Koreans, theyre in a very adversarial relationship with the United States and now you have a film being made in the United States that an american assassination attempt on their leader if you think for example how americans might feel if an iranian Film Production told the story of two iranian journalists going to the United States to cover iranian president s visit to the u. N. But assassinate the u. S. President. People in the states may be upset. Dont forget theres a history. Al qaeda used people disguised as reporters. And north koreas system is based on worshipping the leader as a godlike figure. Kim jongun is treated that way. This is not a system that has a sense of humor and a film that both makes fun of him and talks about his assassination cuts to the heart of north koreas legitimacy and so i think its entirely possible a film like this would make them angry enough to try to retaliate. Tell us briefly about your new ebook. Tell us about the new book. The last p. O. W. Is my account of the ordeal of merrill kn newman. He was the korean war veteran detained for two months last year. Since returning to the states, newman has largely kept out of public view but he shared his story with me and its a fascinating story because it goes back to his work during the korean war. He was an adviser to anticommunist korean guerrillas who operated behind north korean lines and he thought that 60 years later that his role in the korean war would not be a big deal and that North Koreans with so many decades passing it wouldnt be a big problem but in north korea, for the North Koreans, the war never ended. He was detained. He was interrogated for weeks on end. He was accused of being a spy. And the last p. O. W. Tells this remarkable story of how this feisty 85yearold american matched wits with north korean interrogator and kept himself together until he was released. A really good read. I recommend it. The last p. O. W. A real expert on north korea. Mike, thanks very much. Thats it for me. Ill see you at 5 00 p. M. Eastern in the situation room. For our international viewers, amanpour is next. For viewers in north america, newsroom with Brooke Baldwin starts right now. Here we go. Im Brooke Baldwin. Youre watching cnn on this friday afternoon. Were following this developing story for you right now with a Ripple Effect that will likely be felt all across the world. Right now flights are still restricr restricted at the worlds busiest airport. A computer failure at an air Traffic Control management facility bringing london heathrow to a complete stop. At the height of this chaos, you have flights at all five london airports affected. After two