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Times to turkey in order, according to them, to join isis. Now, the first visit was in october, 2012, he turned back because of illness. In july of 2014 last year he also went there and, again, he was planning according to the fbi to join isis but then turned back because he felt he was being followed by turkish intelligence. According to the fbi, he espoused violent jihad to people in the community there who alerted the fbi and he said he pledged allegiance to the head of Isis Abu Bakr al baghdadi. We have a list of a few things he bought ahead of his trips to turkey on ebay. He bought body armor, night vision goggles, camouflage clothing and shahad da flag the black flag very common with jihadi followers, as you know. Right now hes now facing 50 years in prison. 50. 50 if he is found guilty of this. The fbi says we often hear criticism that these cases seem to be people who are not all together there, that perhaps this is entrapment but this guy seemed according everything in this document is true you know he seemed very determined to try to reach syria to join isis. And they decided to move in and arrest him now because they think some sort of actual terrorist plot was about to take place. Because they have been watching them as you point out for a few years. They had been watching him for at least a year but they decided finally today to go to arrest him because they felt theyd watched enough and had enough to bring charges and they just wanted to make sure that he didnt do something because he seemed to be getting more and more militant. Sort of underscores what james comey, the fbi director told me last week. Isis is a bigger Terror Threat to the u. S. Homeland than al qaeda. We see that everyday. We see these arrests going on. Thanks very much evan. A lot going on well continue to follow that story. Theres also breaking news out of afghanistan right now. The government says the taliban leader mullah Mohammed Omar is dead and that he died more than two years ago. The reclusive leaders death has been rumored but the taliban dismissed the rumors. Our Senior International correspondent Nick Paton Walsh is joining with us developments. Nick, what have you learned . For the first time, the afghan president ial palace is saying he died of 2013 of an unknown illness and officials saying it may have occurred in a hospital. Importantly, theyre saying this occurred in the Southern City of karachi. Lets pause and remember who mullah omar was. This is a new departure in what the Afghan Government is willing to say. This is man that let the insurgency in afghanistan, americas longest war when they were there. Hes behind the insurgency that killed over 2,000 american soldiers. A real also the man i can figure. So his death a seismic moment in afghanistan itself. What we have been hearing all day have been confusing report initially emerging ahead of a press conference thought to be announced in the death that never happened, that Afghan Intelligence officials leaking more details and then finally the president ial palace confirming it. The real suspension here is that this announce system so close to a new round of peace talks the taliban are having with the Afghan Government perhaps somebody has been trying to rock the boat by making this announcement ahead of those talks to undermine the taliban, to make them have to answer the question well whos really in charge. Wolf . And so the notion that its taken more than two years to confirm his death, why did it take so long. Whats the analysis . Hes always been a reclusive figure but if he was in pakistan there will be many questions being asked about the parallels with bin laden, was he getting assistance from pakistani intelligence . I spoke to one member of the isi, Pakistan Intelligence sources and he laughed off the notion that that mullah omar was dead. So a confusing picture here but i think also, too, hed become reclusive perhaps because of his state of health. 55 is the age he said to have died. Hes close to 60. Life expectancy for many afghan males. He was injured fighting the soviets two decades ago so his health frail. And i think the taliban, their leadership senior increasingly under pressure from isis who are moving into afghanistan challenging the talibans writ of authority in certain areas. At some point they have been challenging plaul omar to prove hes alive. That may be much harder if the taliban confirm he is dead but the insurgencies change so much in afghanistan since mullah omar began fighting the americans in 2001 barely recognizable much younger, much more radical and potentially looking towards isis now to lead them forward. A very dangerous time indeed for this man to fall off a map if that is the case. Particularly with these peace talks looming now. Wolf . Nick paton walsh reporting for us thank you. Here in washington the secretary of state john kerrys back up on capitol hill today once again making his pitch to congress to support the Iran Nuclear Deal. Hes joined by the secretaries of defense and energy as well as the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff. Congress is in the midst of its 60day review period where it could approve or kill the deal but the secretary john kerry is encountering some serious skepticism once again. Is. Do you want to go right back to where they were when they had 19,000 centrifuges, 12,000 kilograms of material . Enough for 10 to 12 the bombs. Theyve already mastered the fuel psych sol dont be looking 15 years down the road. Right now they have this ability. And were stopping that. Were taking that away from them and providing a lifetime the senators time has expired. Howd that north korean deal work out for you. Senator mccaskell . Well senator i can give you the complete senator mccaskell is your time has expired. Senator mccaskell. I didnt cut that deal. John kerrys telling john mccain, the chairman of the Arms Services committee didnt work out for me i didnt cut the deal. You heard senator mccain say how did that north korea deal work out. Tough exchange. Barbara, were hearing for the first time on this sensitive issue since the agreement was signed from the chairman the outgoing chairman of the joint chiefs general mar tip dempsey as well as ash carter the secretary of defense. What was their perspective on this agreement. Well the sparks continue to fly through most of the hearing, wolf. I have to tell you is dempsey who is scheduled to leave office in the coming weeks, a regularlyscheduled retirement not taking his eye off of his usual candor. The chairman was asked very bluntly about his views, his military views about taking sanctions off even if the iranians comply with the agreement. I want you to listen to this exchange this is classic Marty Dempsey saying what he thinks. Just to be clear, when you came before the committee then you said under no circumstances should we relieve pressure on iran on those issues. So was it your military recommendation that we not agree to lifting of those sanctions . Yes. And i used the phrase as long as possible. And then that was the point at which the negotiation continued. But, yes, that was my military advice. What you are hearing there in very measured tones is the chairman of the joint chiefs saying his military advice was overridden. Now, this does happen there are political judgments that any administration makes after they ask for the best military advice from a chairman of the joint chiefs. But this is perhaps the most blunt military assessment we have seen to date on all of this and one of the points of contention in the hearing. Still a lot of talk about what site agreement, what confidential agreement iran may have made with the International Atomic Energy Agency about their potential military side of their Program Agreements that the u. S. May not get to see a full text, a full version of. Wolf . And the secretary of defense, ash carter barbara, he didnt raise a lot of hope that this deem would moderate irans position as a what the u. S. Calls a state sponsor of terror. He wasnt very upbeat that irans attitude in this area could change. Thats right, the pentagon has said malign activities of iran basically an allencompassing phrase its efforts to use proxy such as hamas and hezbollah and all of irans activities that iran want to see them abandoned from the nuclear agreement. I think it is very fair to say that at the pentagon the top leadership watching very closely doesnt see a loatht of change in irans behavior yet and it goes back to general dempsey. If you dont see a change in irans behavior you just to watch them all the more carefully. Hes talked about watching them more closely and very much the need to keep u. S. Forces in the region to deal with all of it if it comes to that wolf. All right, thanks very much Barbara Starr watching this important story over at the pent gop. Now well have much more ahead on the iran deal. Ill speak live with the chairman of the House Foreign Affairs committee, congressman ed royce. Hes standing by as well as the Ranking Member of the House Intelligence Committee congressman adam schiff hes standing by as well. Other news were following, including a mystery. Debris found off the coast of africa. Authorities now saying its way too soon to say whether it came from that missing Malaysia Airlines flight 370. 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But its certainly intriguing this part of an aircraft washed up on the shore in la reunion, a french territory. Its a sizable piece of an aircraft. Its somewhat weather beaten. Its been some time in the ocean and they are trying to figure out where it came from. Theyve alerted bea, the french very well respected officials in france to investigate its unclear whether it will be staying in la reunion or stay for investigations in france. But theyre saying its too early to tell but they want to know where this piece of a plane came from and whether it has any link to mh370. Wolf . Do we know david, if there were other aircraft that crashed or disappeared in that part of the ocean in recent years . It could be a piece of a plane from another disaster right . Well, certainly with such a sizable piece of wing what seems to be a larger plane, if it is such and thats what theyre speculating, it certainly would be something of a significant plane crash we would know about. It would be something that wasnt reported. Now at least two crashes come to mind in that genre john to me one was some years ago in 2009 a large passenger jet kratchs s crashed off the comortars island west of la reunion island. Then much earlier in 95, the famous hijacking of an Ethiopian Airlines plane which crashed just north of the grand comortars. Theyll see whether they can receive serial numbers on this part of a wing or any other distinguishing markings. Boeing we reached out to them, theyre saying theyre not commenting at this point. They will say their ultimate aim of mh370 is to find out what happened to it. Let me get analysis from mary schiavo. How long will it take experts to determine if this is part of the wing from mh370. Well boeing has three ways to do this. One, there will be partspecific numbers, like serial numbers on other things but theyre part manufacturing numbers on the inside and will be on the inside of this piece of the plane. Two, the 777 has unique Flap Assembly parts that will be unique in size and shape to the 777 and boeing will the boeing 777 engineers will know this right away because the size will be unique. The inboard flap is a twopart system. This looks like part of that inboard flap system, the outboard the closer to the tip of the wing is a one piece. To me looking at the pictures and this is a big leap but it looks like it looks like it might have had a repair. Some kind of patch or repair. The rivets look slightly different but it could have been in the water far long time and the rivets look different from wear and tear. If its had a repair, that repair will be in the maintenance records if it is 370, it would be in the maintenance records of that plane so they have three ways where they could look rather readily to determine if it could be from 370. And theoretically, the currents could have moved a wing like that from that wreckage all the way closer to africa away from closer towards australia. Do the currents move that direction . Yes, they do actually. And it depends. There are a couple different well they call them gyres but there are a couple different sort of circumstance lotion motion pattern waves and one of them just a little further west of australia. That particular current pattern would take it to where this is. Ive worked on crashes where parts have moved hundreds if thousands of miles and remember the japan tsunami part and pieces of debris from the tsunami in japan made it to the Western Shores of the United States. Its possible but boeing is the key. Boeing will be able to identify this readily. We should know fairly soon whether or not its wreckage from mh370. Thanks to you and David Mckenzie as well. Well get back to the Iran Nuclear Deal a highly contentious issue. Well get both sides weighing in on whats going on and whats next. Well be right back. Listen up. Im reworking the menu. Mayo, corn dogs. You are so out of here ahh. The complete balanced nutrition of great tasting ensure. With nine grams of protein. And 26 vitamins and minerals. Ensure. Take life in. As we mentioned, the secretary of state john kerry is up on capitol hill once again today presenting his case for approving the Iran Nuclear Deal. Its his second day of testifying before various committees in congress. Democratic representative and Ranking Member of the House Permanent Select Committee on intelligence adam schiff, is joung us right now. Hes been listening to kerrys arguments, the other arguments pro and con over several days joining us from capitol hill once again. Congressman, thanks very much are you yet on board. Do you support this nuclear deal with iran . Wolf i still havent made a decision yet. Theres still some more documents in the Intelligence Committee i want to go through and a few more conversations that i want to have. But im getting fairly close. As i work my way through the issues it comes down to a couple things. I think the snapback sanctions are actually a pretty effective mechanism. I think the inspections are fairly robust although there is a problem with gaining access to military sites that still troubles me. But the biggest concern i have over the agreement is over its duration. What happens after eight to ten years when they have a fairly robust enrichment capability . And what im weighing that against, wolf which is the other challenge here for the other side of this argument what is the alternative and how will that be better than the agreement. Thats how i come down with wrestling with those two questions, the short duration of the agreement weighed against the alternative agreement and what it looks like. So it sounds to me, correct me if im wrong, congressman, youre leaning towards supporting this deal . Well i dont want to express a lean to at this point. I still want to go through my final Due Diligence on it but i want to let this drag out. I know im going to have excess to what will change the calculus but what are the practical realities of a congressional vote against this deal. What would then take shape . What would iran do what would russia and china do. Is it plausible to envision something that comes out better than the agreement . I havent reached a final conclusion but thats what im trying to weigh. Are you convinced as officials in the administration appear to me that the tens of billions of dollars in iran will get in lifted sanctions, theyll have access to more money than that theyre going to primarily use this money to help develop irans economy back home instead of supporting international terrorism. Thats the argument you hear privately from administration officials. Wolf i would say theyll use the majority of money for the civilian domestic con summingssumption and the commitments rohanwhani has made to the public but theres more harm that iran can and probably will do in support of hamas and hezbollah. Probably of particular consequence of the civil war in syria where, frankly, iran is hemorrhaging resources and starring to hemorrhage people. It will also impact the situation in yemen. So even though it may not be the bulk of resources, iran unfortunately has proved Cost Effective in the use of its terrorism dollars and its defense dollars, its stretched a lot, a long way to being incredibly destructive throughout the region and we can expect that to continue and we can expect it to continue with additional resources. So youre worried about that. Let me quickly get your thought. Yet another arrest outside of buffalo, new york an individual arrested for allegedly getting involved in w isis seems to be happening almost everyday key west florida yesterday. We heard james comey, the fbi director say isis represents the biggest Terror Threat to the homeland, the bigger threat than al qaeda. Youre on the Intelligence Committee. Whats going on. Well, the volume of threats from isis has multiplied. Their use of social media has meant people are being radicalized in their own homes and unless they get on social media and call attention to themselves or unless their family or community is very vigilant its tough for Law Enforcement to detect these things. Law enforcement is working very aggressively. Theyre often intervening earlier than they might have otherwise to make sure they act before anyone acts out in a violent way. Certainly the volume of this problem is going up. At the same time even though i think the volume of the al qaeda threats has come down with our success in taking out leadership i still am concerned about al qaedas desire to go after our aircraft and go after the big high profile attack. And one final question before i let you go. The Afghan Intelligence service apparently confirming that mullah Mohammed Omar died two years ago. The former leader of the taliban. Has just intelligence also confirmed that . We have not confirmed that. Its something that i certainly have been talking with the intelligence agencies to get a sense of what our best estimate is is. There have been reports of his dying many times over and its possible this could be accurate. But i dont have the information at this time and, of course, the big question wolf is if this does turn out to be true or if he is so incapacitated or isolated that he cant effectively deny the rumor, whats the impact on the nascent negotiation with the Afghan Government as well as this risk that taliban people leave and join isis. If he is dead or otherwise incapacitated, that may cause these taliban to join isis. Adam schiff, the congressman from california, the Ranking Member of the Intelligence Committee. Thanks very much. Well get a different perspective, the republican view of the iran deal, the chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee Ed Royce is standing by. Well discuss with him after the break. No students ever done the full hand raise in ap calc. But your stellar notebook gives you the gumption to reach for the sky. Thats that new gear feeling. All hp ink buy one get one 50 off. Office depot officemax. Gear up for school. Gear up for great. 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That behavior did not change last weekend when they were chanting again death to america. Mr. Chairman please with all due respect. Were not presuming any such thing. Theres no presumption about what iran will or wont do. Theres one objective make sure they cant get a nuclear weapon. Joining us now is the House Foreign Affairs Committee Ed Royce of california. Mr. Chairman thanks very much for joining us a Testy Exchange there. I take it youre adamantly opposed to this nuclear deal. The secretary didnt convince you to vote from favor of it . Well as ive said wolf the issue i raise is that in 10 plus years this deal expires. So wed give permanent sanctions relief for a temporary setback in their program. That doesnt sound like a good negotiation strategy from my standpoint. Earlier today, the secretary was back this time testifying before the senate Arms Services Committee Chairman jim. He had this exchange with the defense secretary ash carter. Listen to this. Do you, secretary carter believe iran will change its behavior as a result if this agreement is finalized . And have you seen any indication of that . I have not, mr. Chairman and speaking just for my own judgment i dont foresee that or have any reason to foresee that. That is why its important that the agreement be verifiable. Do you stlenss any daylight between that answer from the defense secretary as opposed to what youve been hearing from secretary of state john kerry who apparently is a little bit more upbeat that maybe this deal will in fact more moderate irans policies in the region . Well one of the things you heard ash carter, our secretary of defense, say two weeks ago was as he explained why he was concerned about this late addition into the agreement on lifting the arms embargo an icbm, he says thethe i stands for intercontinental launched from iran to the United States. So hes made it very clear that he is somewhat concerned about the fact that at the 11th hour somehow into this agreement come wolf, something none of us expected which is the ability now if for iran in eight years time to be able to have the arms embargo on their Ballistic Missile program lifted so rush can shah can help them. Thats a concern, and another aspect that i think is concerning to him and to all of us is that the 12 questions that the iaea asked because they had a thousand pages that showed the bomb weerk iran had already done those were supposed to be answered. Those are still not answered. Thats why this site agreement is important to us. Were still in the process of sort of going through the information and trying to get to the bottom of just what iran has actually committed to do that is verifiable. You have a lot going on up there on capitol hill mr. Chairman thanks very much for joining us. Thank you. Theres a breaking story out of ohio were following right now. A university of cincinnati Campus Police officer has been indicted in the Fatal Shooting during a traffic stop. The Hamilton County prosecutor said moments ago the grand jury returned a murder indictment. He called the shooting horrible. This is the most asinine act ive ever seen a Police Officer make is totally unwarrant eded. It was its an absolute tragedy in the year 2015 that anyone would behave in this manner. It was senseless and i met with the family just moments ago. Its just horrible. Our National Correspondent Jason Carroll is joining with us more. Jason, we just got the video to warn our viewers throughout that what theyre about to see is disturbing. Well let it roll in its entirety and then you and i will talk about what we just saw. Watch this. Hows it going, man . All right, hows it going . Do you have your license on you. Yeah what happened. What is the problem . Is this your car . Yeah. Youre coming back from the casino. Its my car, why . You you dont have a license plate on your car. Its in my glove box. Its right here. Okay. Thats not where the front plate is supposed to go. I dont know that. You dont have to reach for it. Its okay. Do you have a license on you. Yes. Whats that bottle on the floor there there [ inaudible ] bottle of what . Aspirin. Do you have a license on you . Yes. Okay im going to ask you again, do you have your license . I have a license, you can take my name. You dont have your license on you . Im asking a direct question. Do you have your license . I thought i did. What did you pull me over for . Again, the front tag. But its not illegal to not have a front tag. Actually it is. Im going ask you again do you have a license on you. I have a license, you can run my name. Okay its not on you, though . I dont think i have it on me. Be straight up with me. Are you suspended . No im not suspended. Why dont you have your license on you. I just dont no. Im sorry. Where do you stay at . Right around the corner. Well as far as figuring out if you can have a license, take your seat belt off. I didnt do nothing. Go ahead and take your seat belt off. Stop stop shots fired shots fired did you get him. I dont know all right, jason. Obviously very disturbing in this particular case once again a white Police Officer a black driver. Walk us through what we saw. Its obviously very, very disturbing and causing huge ramifications right now, especially after this murder indictment of the Police Officer. Extremely difficult to watch. Just to recap what has happened here. What our viewers saw was the body cam video from university of cincinnati Police Officer ray tensing. He had just pulled over Samuel Dubose on july 29 pulled him over because he was missing a front license plate. Shortly thereafter you can see him questioned him several times about providing some information about his license. At one point when he was moving for his seat belt the officer opened fire. Thats the long and the short of it. But thats not what the officer told investigators. The officer told investigators he fired after he was dubose in his car. But it doesnt show him being dragged in any way, shape of form. Duboses family didnt believe the Police Officers account of what happened and really pressured local authorities there, including the Hamilton County Prosecutors Office to release that body cam videoment they did that today and joe dieters, the Hamilton County prosecutor i have to say, after listening to prosecutor for a number of years, i have never heard a prosecutor that angry and using that much emotion in describing what happened here. He all but called it a flat out murder. He said it was senseless, he said that mr. Dubose was subdued, he was not violent in any way, shape, or form. He said this was completely unnecessary for Something Like this to occur. He called it asinine. He went on to say he feels sorry for the family and what they have lost. He feels sorry for the community simply because they had done so much to build good will between themselves and the community i want to make this clear, this is not cincinnati p. D. Were talking about, this is an officer from the university of cincinnati which is a different arm of Law Enforcement in the cincinnati area. But once again, wolf, the prosecutor calling it a chicken crap stop saying there was no need for this officer to resort to violence. That officer he said would be treated like a murder suspect. A warrant for his arrest is already out. Ive also had an opportunity to speak to the families attorney mark omara about all this. Even before this press conference was held he had already started to get word about what would be shown on that body cam video but even after seeing it you can tell that even the prosecutor saying he was shocked by what he saw. Basically saying officer ray tensing had no business being a Police Officer. Wolf . You said mark omara, a lot of our viewers know him. Hes been a cnn analyst, obviously a wellknown attorney. Which family is he representing . He is representing member of sam duboses family. And he is going to and we are also being told that members of the sam dubose family that was the man who was shot and killed by officer ray tensing, we are hearing theyre expected to speak probably in about the next 20 minutes or so so we should be hearing from them as well. But once again, wolf i cant really impress how much ive heard prosecutors in the past ive never heard a prosecutor speak with this type of language before in terms of dealing and referring to an officer of the law. Lets listen to a little bit there are the prosecutor. Watch this. We dont this doesnt happen in the United States okay . This might happen in afghanistan or somewhere. This just does not happen in the United States. People dont get shot for a traffic stop. Unless theyre violent towards the Police Officer. And he wasnt. He was simply slowly youre going to see it. He was simply slowly rolling away. Thats all he did. It is pretty shocking when you hear whats going on and unfortunately there have been several incidents as all of our viewers know in the United States in recent months and years involving these kinds of incidents. You say theres a warrant out for this Police Officers arrest right now, hes not under arrest yet, is that right . . Warrant out for his arrest. Hold on jason, mark omara, the attorney for the family of the driver is now speaking out. Lets listen. Well be working with them up here. A couple things to start with. First of all, not just because we got the result that we wanted was to vindicate sams reputation and who he is and who he was. I do really want to thank you mr. Dieters office and the Law Enforcement who did the investigation on this case in a number of ways. In a case like this where theres evidence that mr. Dieters office could not disclose because of the Ongoing Investigation that still leaves the pain unattended and, of course when theres a vacuum of information, thats where all the speculation comes from. Thats where the anger comes from so to thank mr. Dieters Law Enforcement for having done a quick and thorough job in talking care of this. Two, and the family will echo this this is a very trying time for the family, thats obvious. Its also a trying time for the community, for since gnatty and because this is now getting the attention its getting and its a next chapter in events that have happened similar to this where cop and citizen or cop and black interactions lead to tragedy we want to make sure and the family is firmly behind that though we understand the concerns in the community, we want those reactions to be completely peaceful. Sam was a peaceful person. There have been some questions about how peaceful sam was and i think those questions have now been put to rest when you look at that video. There was a suggestion of whatever dragging the officer, the arrogance towards the officer, failure to comply or whatever. I this i anyone whos looked at that video understands that sam was who sam always has been. That was paceful and nonaggressive. We want his memory to remain intact as a peaceful person and we do not want any violence any anger to come out in a way that denigrates who he was and who we want him to be remembered as. We understand the emotions tied with this the family feels more than most the emotions of this loss but we want any reaction to be one maintaining the integrity of who sam was and the peacefulness. That not only the family deserves as they continue their mourning but this is an opportunity now that cincinnati has to do this in a proper way . Weve made a huge first step because sometimes officers believe people are not held accountable for actions in more this case one is being held accountable. So cincinnati is showing the rest of us how to do this right. Im not a since gnattian but i know the country is looking at cincinnati as to how youre going to react to this and were asking it be done in a way that moves us forward and that fellow people from cincinnati and Law Enforcement officers can be proud of. Reporter are you surprised . I am a bit surprised to be honest with you. Since i didnt see the video, and nobody saw the video, its easy to sit back and say, you know you look at that three page Police Report and, quite honestly as mr. Dieter said that was selfserving wasnt it . Now that we know you cant look at that video and say that Police Report follows the video. It doesnt. It contra indicates contradicts it. My concern is just that that you look at Police Reports and they can on occasion be selfserving. If there wasnt a video available i do not believe he would have had an indictment. I believe one officer would have said what he said in that report and fol lode up with it. The other officer who seem to say maybe he saw the dragging maybe he was just told about the dragging suddenly becomes a corroborating witness. But now that we have a video we dont have that problem. So if you had asked me before seeing the video, i would have said without question the indictment. I think he did what he did because of the video and other information. I truly believe that we are seeing the crisis in a long time. You dont have anyone in the black community and they know that whats existed in the criminal Justice System has been biased for decades. Ive done this for 30 years and my my practice is skewed in favor of young black males in the system. Why . Because theyre brought into the system more. So yes, were seeing a crisis. If theres a Silver Lining to whats been happening for the past few years beginning with all the cases three four years ago that have started this conversation or maintained this conversation its that we are finally talking about it and i do think that body cameras should be mandatory with Law Enforcement because unfortunately is when you have cops who may not be well enough trained, may not be well enough paid and you put a gun on their hip and they go do one of the most difficult jobs that we asked ask them to do police ourselves from each other, and do it for a year or two or decade youre going to get insensitive. The problem is that then this can happen. So i think we have a crisis but we also have a great opportunity. Yeah. Reporter i think there was a second officer semicorroborating the story. Do you think there was an intentional coverup or just youre my fellow officer, you say so fine or Something Else . I look forward to mr. Dieters office and whoever else looking into why that officer seemed to have said what he said. Ive never seen a sworn statement by officer number two that said i saw dragging but you read the report and i read the report and when i read that report it said to he was put to task in his sworn testimony, did he change or modify that story once he realized there was a video that was going to couldnt indicate what he said i dont know but we have to having officers cover another officer than it is telling the truth. When you looked at the video im look at it at what point does he possibly [ inaudible ] . I dont know. Ive probably seen hundreds of video of events and ive reviewed police its what i do. When i look at that video the first time, i knew what i expected to happen. I expected that there to be a tussle. I expected an escalation of the event, right. I expected that there was going to be some explanation for why somebody took out a gun and shot and im watching it waiting, and the shot happened and the car took off, and i actually for a slight second thought, okay the shots coming. The car is going to stop hes going to catch up to the car. Thats where the tussle and then i realized the shot had already happened. Im not trying to dramatize it. When that shot happened for absolutely no reason under the law as i know it it. I know when youre supposed to use deadly force. Youre supposed to use it when you have reasonable fear of great bodily injury. There was none of that. There wasnt an aggravation. There wasnt an increase in the situation certainly not by sound. It was horrific to see that anyone could think now i can use a gun. [inaudible question ]. And i know the mom wants to come up maybe for a moment and yes, sure. What do you know about officer tensing at this point, anything more than weve already heard . Not very much except i know hes going to tell us that something was going on in his head unrelated to sam and that helped inform why he did what he did. Insanity . I believe that hes going to have to come up with some explanation for how he thought it was appropriate to do what he did by taking out a gun to begin with instead of leaving that car and then firing. If he has any training and we have to presume he has some hes trained on how not to use a gun before using a gun. Thats what cops are trained to do when to not use your gun and only to use it under the most necessary circumstances. Do you think it was racially motivated, or what is your read about that . I dont think officer tensing got up that morning and decided that he was going to kill a black guy, but we know that the reason why young black males or blacks are in the criminal Justice System more than they should be because theres almost unsubtle spoken biasses that exist between all of us. We all make instantaneous decisions about each other. Unfortunately it seems to be were still making negative instantaneous decisions about blacks, and that seems to be one of the explanations for why it shows up in more arrests. So active no. Passive probably. When i heard that my son was killed and i came forth and so many people there was a gentleman speaking of my son, and i knew that gentleman knew my son the way he spoke of him. I knew he knew him, and i i felt the need to go up there and to hug him, and when i came forth i brought the lord with me. He goes with me wherever i go and i say it the lord bringeth. He is clothed with majesty. He is clothed with strength. The world also established that it cannot be moved. Thou from that everlasting. The fluids have lifted up oh, lord the fluids have lifted up their voice. The lord on high is mightier than the noise of many. Ye there are mighty ways of the sea, but testimonies are very sure. Holiness be coming. Oh lord forever. Bless