About how to engage the self in conversation before you can engage other people. Final question . No pressure. I am the director of career services. I wanted to find out the things you are talking about, i am trying to help the students get jobs and they are working on social me and all of this but the two main skills you point out to be successful especially in journalism our conversation. Empathy is one of the things we have been trying to impart on the students. Do you have any tips for what we can do, what we can tell the students in order to improve skills and what we can do as the profss and career counselors. I believe the conversation is the talking point. The failing connections of the digital age, conversation is the talking cure. A recent confusion in peoples mind in literature between compassion and empathy or even saying empathy is old school and compassion is the new we feel compassion for things that are far away and we are feeling for them but empathy is the ability when you are with someone to really put yourself in their place and that is what theyre trying to you can cover a distance events by saying oh my god, a flood. Compassion. But really, to do your job, a few minutes journalist, scholar, citizen, we need to be, you need practice in talking to each other, not being judgmental. Really hasnt had that many conversationss when they come to us. We need to start to talk to each other. Please join me in thanking sherry turkle. [applause] [inaudible conversations] this weekend on booktv on afterwards, james rosen looks at the life and political career of dick cheney. Also this week and the last governor sarah palin on family, faith and community. University of wisconsin Professor William jones recalls the march on washington and books on the Digital Worlds effect on the work force, fatal rivalry between Alexander Hamilton and aaron burr and molly crabapple, contributing editor of vice talkedabout the journalism and political hard. For complete television scheduled visit booktv. Org. Booktv, 48 hours of nonfiction books and authors, television for serious readers. Next up, Atossa Abrahamian talks about the economics of Global Citizenship. Her book is the cosmopolites the coming of the Global Citizen. Thanks and hello. Not every author event has standingroomonly crowd. Thank you all and thanks for making this a wonderful event. A couple words, we started a new publishing venture at columbia university. All of the books we published six books the year, they look like this, quarterly six times a year and only one story in every issue, the same size, uniform design and each book is about one aspect of globalization so the aggregate will publish more things about globalization. Look at the web site which will be a global report and see what we are up to. Each book even if they are about globalization, many Different Things to many people, and for a first book, about the secondary Mortgage Market wasnt in brooklyn, a lot of people in suits and ties, this is more appropriate to this book. To tell you a little more. Has anybody ever heard of William Ackerman . He is the hero to americas youth, look him up when you get home, a bad boy, wall street investor, people literally camped out on the steps of low library, in the same room with him when he was on the panel. This is a different niche from the niche. The official day job as an opinion editor, a prolific to the point of ubiquitous young journalists involved in a bunch of Magazines Publishing widely including new inquiries, new york magazine, two columbia degrees and one of the first authors, the only debut author of the season. The way we operate this event is read from the book, and ask questions for a while and take audience questions for a while. I will sit on that stool while you read. [applause] thanks for coming. [laughter] you know a little boat called what was the hamster, i teach a course on evidence insurance, as a journalist, one of the questions is what if there is a category that everyone in the category must deny they are in the category to be in the category and what do you do with that. Actually spent a lot of time and two sons i know never to tell anyone there and institutes by their back. Is that ok . Thanks for coming. There are a whole bunch of view. People all over the world, all over the city, thank you so much. I will set it up a little so you know what is going on. A small island nation sold citizenship in bulk to stateless people except it wasnt sold individually, their government bought it for the superwere day. Business men based in kuwait decided to lobby their dysfunctional government to pass a law, the first time they try to do it they voted against it. And i will tell you a little bit about that. Excuse me. And they raise from respective villages not far from the capital. On the runway and overlooking the indian ocean a private plane stood waiting. It was one of the archipelago nations, a 30 kilometer stretch but and down the west side of the island. And piles of trash. They supply the world with flowers that produce fumes and along the arab road, the pungent flora in mind with lack of for a Waste Collection system and tropical climate creates an olfactory experience that is one part garbage and the other 5. On the other side of the worlds central bankers were on top of the recovery and it suffered the worst weve ever. The representatives on the way to the airport had money on their minds too but not the kind that shows up there. It had been that way for as long as the state could remember. The annual Gross Domestic Product per capita was 740 million that year. 714 that year, Economic Growth at 8 for 2007, the country was negotiating with the imf for debt relief. 45 of the population below the poverty line. Still today infrastructure is abysmal, Running Water is a rarity. Even the parliamentary building lax that, when politicians complain they have no power they mean it literally. Electricity in rooms that are equipped with it and several hours at a time. 60 of residents on the biggest island have access to electricity at all. The Middle Island is 50 . Only twinkie of people can turn on the lights. Earlier that year the government had received a proposal from visiting arab business men, one of citizenship raised there was great demand in the middle east for dramatic planes from wealthy individuals seeking the second or third nationality, and denied citizenship from the start. Some countries in the region take good money, all they would do is allow this for passports. The president at the time, his Vice President , were intrigued. This was money they could use to fix the roads, and desperately needed infrastructure. Such a destitute country could not be highminded, bigger states could not be choosers states. The parliamentary did not see it that way. It was a Faustian Bargain not selling citizenship to complete strangers. And economic citizenship in a heated session contending it would be tantamount to auctioning off the nationalities. The arab business men put together a Factfinding Mission in the gulf states, all expenses paid. Conveniently the troupe was scheduled to take place ahead of the next parliament. Six of the laws most vocal opponents were invited. The Vice President of the parliament of the time lead the delegation, a master of readers earnestness at local university, a committed member of the opposition. She lived in a town house at the center of the capital, his car parked outside his home was broken when he went there and hasnt had the means to repair it. The secretary general of parliament was another delegate in spite of his initial discussion, and the most recent novel to a computer malfunction. He was ready to absorb all the information. And the president of Parliamentary Finance Commission went along because he believed in opening up for the rest of the worlds. In the country we have a ticking time bomb at university that turns out over in the years if they dont find work it will explode. One of the representatives who did not hold the position in parliament, was hired as a translator, most recently employed by the ministry of justice, a nervous man easily intimidated. He went to publicize the trip, but the fact that many people were obtaining a nationality might arise controversy last november in his office to stop the leaking feeling. A dignified older gentleman was the minister of Foreign Affairs would see several things with the group with the french association. Business men made so much noise about the proposals they dangle all sorts of promises, we want to see for ourselves. The men did not have to wait in line for hours as is customary at the airport even when there are only a dozen people even with people working at the counter. They didnt have to switch through security, or taking the president s or arms and legs. They made themselves comfortable, it was amazing what many could do. As the plane climbed iron, it was swollen year round. Andblack rock surrounded the island. At the center was one of the largest active volcanoes. The cliche of an island paradise every bit as prius and neighboring roads which between them attract hundreds of thousands of tourists the year. On the ground and natural beauty, most people havent heard of it for quite believe it is a sovereign nation. The most distinguishing feature is around 20 perpetrated by foreign mercenaries. The islands nicknaming International Cycles what made it consistently ranked among the poorest nations in the world . What were they doing wrong . [applause] i am going to ask a few questions and before long we will go to questions from you. Shove them over. When we signed up to write this book we have a short turnaround time, a year or Something Like that. You had been poking at this subject for awhile in magazine stories. What was the Magnetic Attraction . She actually has a clip on microphone. Guest i grew up with that passport, never felt predicate and rebound and only seemed to be swiss canadian. The people i grew up with a couple of them are i between whe from 0 always invited to the Global Citizenship conference. I clicked on it and i thought it would be it was for those who wanted to buy a passport. I have citizenship, the country will sell it. And reading about it but what clinched it for me, the notion of Global Citizenship being a citizen of the world when Gerard Depardieu did not want to pay fringe taxes, he did not say i dont want to pay french taxes. He said i am a citizen of the world and that was it. Before we get to the larger implications of this, if you talk about how you picked the site you went to as a reporter, how and why, quick on where you went and what you found. Your ago i was in kuwait, a quick turnaround so i went, traveled a bunch to see conferences for citizenship, from malta to london but through this book in particular, i went to kuwait because i heard a rumor that kuwait was going to buy citizenship for stateless people. Crazy thing happens. Why did they want to do this for kuwaiti citizenship . Really good question. Kuwaiti citizenship means getting a lot to benefit. It is expensive and politically if the to give citizenship because you dont know how they are going to vote so the kuwaitis in general, bahrain is an exception, gulf countries dont like to extend their citizens that much. It makes sense. Anyway, i went to kuwait because i heard a rumor about this and after i arrived, a very public statement, there were plans to go ahead. I was learning about that and for obvious reasons a big draw. They dig into that. The caribbean. In february, tragically it was terrible. The caribbean, pioneers in the market. They only sell their citizenship for money kind of a corollary. If you imagine there is the kind of more and two versions, one is Global Citizenship, and one is rich folks. If you expand on that, not the same for everybody. Rich people if you have enough money you can be a fellow citizen if you want to. You can have residents abroad, high your money, you name it. You can flatten borders, it is easier easier. If you are up for person, the global aspect of your life might be less voluntary. You might be forced to leave your home and where you grew up just to make a living, you may be pressured to take a passport, you never know what kind of passport your government will make you take. You might be from a country like the philippines where women go abroad to work as nurses or nannies and that is part of the economy of the country. As we say in the academy we talk about things, one is normative and one is descriptive, what should be scrapped descriptive is what is. Lets start with descriptive and work our way up to normative. Descriptively, how big a phenomenon is this . Global citizens, poor folk variety . I dont know the answer to is that. I can tell you rich people spent 2 billion in 2014 which is a lot of money and that is not counting the amount of money they invested to establish residence. Poor folks, it is probably more because if you look at the remittances they constitute a huge chunk of a fair world economy. That is my best guess, where poor people are more affected by this. Is what you are writing about a harbinger of the world to come . On the conference circuit and so on, increasingly global interconnected world, and the financial system, the internet and all and human migrations, liberated borders, and Global Warming and terrorism, is this the beginning of a precedent where nations will become relatively unimportant. People essaying nations will be less important after this happens. I am not hopeful. It would be nice in my view i think bordersless world is overblown. It is only border the city are wealthy enough. 44 enough to be forced into it. But then there are barriers. It is not borderless. Now lets work our way to the normative side. Is it good to feel like youre a citizen of the nation . I cant speak to that, i dont know what it is like. I know what it was like and let me tell you, mentioned in the book many years ago people had to be in school, their parents were in school, you tell what it is a little bit. It is a cautionary tale for various reasons, and decide to leave. He comes to regret his decision deeply and this is at the time in 1864, the ultimate moral failing and the form of retribution. That kind of moralizing to place today. A lot of People Choose to live on boats or have an itinerant life so i dont know. The point of that as a once the fable, the worst thing that can happen to you is not to have Strong National identification. Is it fair to say that is so true or have we gotten beyond that . I think we are getting beyond it. People by trying to to identify themselves but the problem remains if you dont identify strongly with a place for a system that has the government where you pay taxes or redistribute or help people less fortunate you cant really do that on a global scale just yet. You cant rely on charity and use end up with people who opt out of entirely. In a certain way, a win you decide to be a Global Citizen what is really happening is you are leaving the structure of the welfare state and going into a paradise or held depending on a way of stripping away all the things. Opting out instead of thinking of yourself as part of the global community. At the level of consciousness i gather from various conversations we have had that you really dont feel like part of nations, right . I find it hard to understand what that feels like. And you dont know, no one can w what it feels to be a bat. Right. [laughter] and i guess do you ever, like, sit around and dream about what it would be like to feel like there is a country that is my country . You know what, okay, so the best i can do to answer your question is when people watch competitive sports and theyre very, very invested in the fate of one of the teams, i dont know what thats like, but it seems pretty awesome. [laughter] well, finally before we go to audience questions, on the other side of the ledger if you would talk about Benedict Anderson a little who you mention briefly in the book. Yeah. Benedict anderson is still alive. Hes quite old. He is an academic, a scholar of nationalism and imagined communities talks about and im totally oversimplifying it, but talks about how the idea of nationalism in the nationstate is formed through language and education and literature and a sense of a narrative that is conveyed through all of these cultural forums. His main thesis is that there isnt innate in the nation, its constructed, its imagined, and its imagined by people. And that is the idea that we are all part of community x in the nation is what ultimately drives people to fight for their country, to die for their country. Its a very powerful force, and certainly in 20th century but the implication is if nations are constructed, they could be deconstructed one day. So it doesnt, you know, as i read him, you could imagine a time when people wouldnt feel identified [inaudible] as you note, we dont seem to be there yet. Lets take your questions. Now, should i be giving everybody a mic who has a question in who has a question . Okay. Okay, so youre going to get, so well im just pointing to people, so youre going to [inaudible] thank you. Atossa, congratulations. I certainly miss working with you. So my dutch husband had to give up his dutch nationality when he became an american citizen which in turn helped me get my green card, and in a year and a half, on the third anniversary of my green card, im going to apply for citizenship. So were in the same universe. But that law that the dutch government passed which is depriving him of an e. U. Passport made me think also of a law that former Prime Minister harper passed making it, giving the government the ability to strip canadians, even born canadians, of their citizenship. And im just wondering, you know, in the course of your research, its odd for developed countries to be doing this. Do you think were going to see more of this sort of elimination of dual citizenship and barriers for political reasons . I think youre going to see it more for security reasons. The u. K. Passed a law that allows them to strip people of their citizenship if they are dual nationals and if they are so they cant be rendered stateless and if they are suspected of terrorism. That actually brings up something really fascinating, because the Islamic State is not, does not consider itself a nationalist movement. It sort of thinks beyond existing borders. And countries such as the u. K. And canada now have legislation that can strip Islamic State, theoretically, strip Islamic State fighters of their citizenship. And when you have a nationstate saying we dont want you, on the other hand, you have these isis guys who are burning their passports on youtube and saying we dont want them either. So you have these two kind of concepts of an imagined community. One i mean, you can say that isis is prenational, right . Theyre hardly progressive and forwardthinking. And the caliphate is certainly nothing new. But you have dueling conceptions of what it is to be a part of a community. [inaudible] huge congratulations, again. What seems really compelling and odd is people, and weve been talking about your book, the assumption that the Global Citizen may be the privilege or the [inaudible] the underprivileged, therefore, kind of undoing the structure of state whereas surely its that kind of binary that upholds it even more which can be transgressed or removed is kind of upheld. So i, have you been kind of confused at the assumption that your findings have proven like an undoing of statehood rather than, like, a shoring up [inaudible] its a theoretical undoing or an intellectual one that challenges the concept. But in practice its not going anywhere. [inaudible] im going to ask my own question. [laughter] im just curious, are there any consequences for the bed win to take bedouin to take citizenship that could easily deport them . Yes. Yeah, thats the big downside. I guess the one thing you have going for you if youre stateless is that you cant get deported, because you dont have the appropriate documentation to cross borders and, you know, get on a plane. When you are a key moan citizen, you are legally a foreigner if youre in the country where you have been for generations in many cases x. The book actually talks about, it tells the story of one bedouin who was pressured to take [inaudible] citizenship and subsequent tally supported to thailand. You should read it. [laughter] [inaudible] i was wondering if this intersects at all with, like, ive heard theres, like, a rise of extranation states and free trade zones. Yeah. Free trade zones are popping up. I dont think that they have any bearing on the citizenship of the people in that state, but certainly they function as tax havens and as, i guess, business havens. And its not a surprise that this is popping up at the same time as, you know, citizenship is also for sale. Its a form of leasing sovereignty. You spoke about the two types of people who are getting these, the Global Citizens, the wealthy people or libertarians who are buying passports of convenience for their own individual purposes and then the poor people. Now, how does that work . I mean, in the gulf you have all these workers who are imported from thailand and the philippines and bang bangladeshu know, and theyre treated miserably and underpaid and depressed, but they do come from a place. They do have these origins in bangladesh and the philippines, wherever. How do all of a sudden these people, how can they be told to [inaudible] so the bedouin are a separate group. Theyre not what wed call my grant workers. Theyre people who have, who were, i guess, native to that part of the world and whose families were there for generations and who for whatever reason didnt sign up when the nations were formed. There are also people who emigrate illegally and who for other reasons are stateless, but the bedouin are, essentially, they didnt sign up when they should have. So its a separate group from the migrant workers. [inaudible] lets go to the next question. The question of Indigenous People, im wondering if in your research you came across the question of Indigenous People and citizenship. I imagine that hay plies more applies more in countries like this one. I didnt really dig into that, im sorry. I cant thats fine. [laughter] hi. I had a small question after the earlier question over the rights of the bedouin. Why thailand . Why not back to the key morrow islands . There was an odd stipulation in their agreement to theres a lot of stipulations. [laughter] in their agreement to naturalize the bedouin, and that was that they didnt actually want them in their country. So the citizenship is, the if you read the book, its by design paper thin. Its not it comes with very few rights. Its a document, and its a way for the emiratis to clean their hands of the problem. Im told we have time for one more question [inaudible] im going to cheat and ask you one prequestion, and then well go to our last question which is do you have a take on whats going on in europe with the refugee crisis in light of the book . Yes, i do. [laughter] we hear so many awful stories about people risking their lives to get on these crappy little boats. We all know the narrative. But were not really thinking about how people from, very wealthy people from these same countries, say a very wealthy libyan, can within a year be a full e. U. Citizen just because of the size of his or her wallet, and no ones really talking about that. I think thats really important to keep in mind, because theres a real structural inequality in the laws of these individual nations and also, i mean, in the e. U. System and our whole way of organizing how people can move around. Who has the mic . Okay, youre the last question. I was just wondering what the advantage of is for, like, a wealthy person from the gulf nations to take up citizenship in a small caribbean island. Like, i understand why the kuwaitis did it for the bedouin and why a wealthy person might take up residence in england or the u. S. , but why a small island nation . There i think three main reasons. One, ease of travel. Its much easier to travel on a kits passport a st. Kits passport. If you want to go on vacation, if you want to do business, etc. There are Tax Advantages to being a citizen of these countries, although you dont even really need to be a citizen to take advantage of the tax regimes. So i think that the tax angle at least for nonamericans is a little overblown. Hey, nice beaches [laughter] cant complain. Theres, you know, these places are pretty nice as well. And to, you know, if you want to educate your kids abroad or just have another option if your country is in trouble, you have a haven. [inaudible] theres a great line where atossa says basically in this world the idea is the more passports you can have, the better. You cant be too rich or too thin, you cant have too Many National passports. Atossa, thanks so much. And youre going to hang out for a while and sign books, right . Thank you. Thank you. [applause] thanks so much for coming out, guys. Theres books available at the front register, and if youd like to have atossa sign a copy of your book, you can line up on this wall to your right or my left. And just a little note about the afterparty, its going to be at the clover club at 710 fifth street. So lets just give her one big round of applause. [applause] [inaudible conversations] heres a look at some books that are being published this week. In the idealist, slate magazine correspondent Justin Peters profiles the late red itself founder, aaron. Warts. Politicos David Greenberg looks at the history of spin in president ial politics in republic of spin. In the fight, former secret Service Agent dan bongino criticizes the obama Administrations National security policies. Jeffrey cowan explores Theodore RooseveltsUnsuccessful Campaign for the 1912 Republican Party nomination in let the people rule. Also being released this week is George Washingtons journey in which historian t. H. Breen looks at washingtons tour of every state during his first term as president. In democracy in black, eddie glod argues american politics continues to reinforce racial inequalities. Reverend William Barber and Jonathan Wilson hartgrove discuss their moral monday rallies, a movement to end discrimination and protect Voting Rights in the third reconstruction. And in the 100year walk, dawn mccain retraces her grandfathers escape from the Ottoman Empire during world war i. Look for these titles in bookstores this week and watch for the authors in the near future on booktv. Salon. Com cofounder david talbot is next on booktv. His book, the devils chessboard, focuses on allen dulles, the longestserving director of the cia, and john foster dulles, secretary of state under president eisenhower. So, david, a couple of announcements to start off things no, not announcements. No . Just a few introductory remarks, maybe to set the stage for our conversation, patrick. And do you want to introduce me first . [laughter] well, this is david talbot, and im patrick marks. This is my little shop, the green arcade. Youve probably been here before, maybe not. Thank you. [applause] we just celebrated seven years here. And david has been a part of it, actually. David was born in los angeles, and in a logging cabin. Log cabin. [laughter] and befitting a legend, we dont know what year that was. [laughter] and, you know, his father wa