We are going to have about an hour long event here, half of the time given to the author and the other time given to your questions. We have a microphone right over here, please use that microphone when you have a question, once we get to that portion of the event. Cspan is here and we are recording, so that helps us make a more full recording. And finally before you get in line for the signing which would be in the table, fold up your chairs and put them against the wall. The race and justice on death row. The race against time. A deep and intimate look of alfred brown, innocent man on death row, intimate and really close journey with this man on death row to get pim exonerated. We heard this kind of tragic scenario time and time again, in this modern era and one of those few developed nations that still practice. Review of the book from greg melvin, msnbc news anchor and national correspondent, it isnt just about how broken system almost broke another decent man, its a moving story of a unique brotherhood thats formed when a corporate lawyer with his face literally saved another mans life. Instead of being bitterly and mad, Dewayne Brown finds forgiveness, his story will make you a better person. Bryan is a criminal defense attorney working with prominent firms in new york and drrcion c, he has received several awards for dedication to Pro Bono Service such as the 2014 award, highest honor awarded by Catholic Charities of washington in recognition for his work for the oppressed. A member of the Alumni Council of catholic of america and Texas Defender Service. He lives in alexandria with his wife which is also a former prosecutor and there are three children and this is his first. Please help me welcome bryan stolarz. Thank you so much for those words. I almost cant believe im here. I love this place. I used to come here on dates with my wife who is here and i would dream of being a published author and now its like actually happened, it really did happen. I feel like i can retire now, actually. And i think i might. I will tell you in these uncertain times, a place like this is even more important because we all need a place we can all be free to speak about our ideas, our beliefs and thoughts without fears and so the freedom of speech and assembly are alive and well here and im glad to be here tonight. Thank you to my family who came from new jersey, jersey strong, thank you very much sok. Its a long drive. My cousins, my lovely wife anna who is here, my neighborhood friends the back, jim bishop, dear friends that i love. Chris thank you so much. She does really great work and guys, you are sitting in the room with a living legend. I wrote a book and thats great, hes executive director of witness to sentence hes been fighting the Death Penalty and corrupt criminal Justice Department for decades and his Group Gathers exonorees for advocate for change in the death system and i pit you in my book because i love you. So thank you for being here. [applause] all right. So when i was a thirdyear student in law school, my first client is charged with stealing a bike. I go to court and i cross examine the police officer, i argued forcibly and i fight hard for this client and he gets guilty. Hey, man, im sorry, i fought really hard for you. He said, hey, dont worry about it, i stole the bike. [laughter] but what he said next, hey, thank you. Thank you for standing up for me. No one has ever done that before. And so that feeling was a shot the feeling i chased every day when i got to court and i defended the guilty, the innocent, the misunderstood, mentally ill, everywhere in between and i developed a pretty good meter you can usually spot a criminal from a mile away and a quick scan say most of you are just fine. [laughter] some of you im not so sure yet but all of that brought me to death row in march of 2007, went to a Large Law Firm and we got a call one day from a senior partner that said you want to work on a Death Penalty case, i go to death row, 620 miles north of houston, livingston, texas, the second i saw him, i knew that this man was innocent. The shock right to my heart. Its like when you meet your wife for the first time, when you hold your child for the first time, something deep down inside of you that you know its true. And i worked out that day and i stood up right next to the rental car because this wasnt block brooklyn and this was texas. I got a fortune and it says, you love challenge. You love challenge. I looked up and said, really, this is the challenge that youre giving me. And just in october when the book came out i went back to houston for the book release and some signings and i went back to that same chinese place looking for, you know, closure from the fortune cookies and in the movie version which Bradley Cooper plays me goes to the chinese food place, he gets a fortune that says, you did good, youre awesome, justice is served, might be said pandas are cute. [laughter] the fact that no one can deny but that wasnt exactly the closure loop that i was hoping for. Here is the case. A very highprofile murder in South Houston who was a Check Cashing store, it was supposed to be an inside job, it was supposed to be 300,000 and a legendary store, the crime went on his plan and the store clerk who had a baby was murdered and the officer who responded officer charles clark, veteran just in the vernal of retirement , horrendous crime that did not have to happen and dwayne was convicted of murdering officer clark. It was a really quick trial, three days, i like to call it fastfood Death Penalty. I tried civil case where is the amount was 100,000 of controversy it took a week and it took three to four months, three days, guys, three days its all it took, guilty. Frustrated with his defense and will tell you right now he was home and his girlfriends apartment, a phone call right when the crime took place. They put on no evidence, not a single witness for the defense and convicted and sentence to death and i got the case on appeal, habius corpus. I hated it. You know, we pulled to the gate in rental car and the sheriff would come out and inspect your car, your front, look in your pockets even and as you can kind of tell already im kind of a jokester so i tried to bring light in the house of death and the sheriff pulled the hood open and i said while youre in there check the oil for me, he didnt laugh. The next time i brought him tom food because literally the only good thing about houston there was a taco bell. You love taco bell too, right in its where we might go tonight. Celebrated by eating taco bell. [laughter] i brought tacos to the sheriff and i said here are some tacos, he said i dont want your yankee tacos, i didnt like that. The next time i left and he had to check my car again and he said, open your trunk and i said no, open your trunk and i said i will not, open the trunk and began to show his weapon, i said nope, why not, i said because my guy is in the trunk and im breaking him out. [laughter] and finally he looks at me and says, really . No. [laughter] i didnt break a guy out of a death row jail and thats when he finally spieled and i finally broke him and after that he called me the yankee lawyer which was affectionate rather than mean and i thought it was nice. It would be there on execution days and execution dates sucked. They ship them about 50 miles to huntsville where they carry out the procedure. Im sitting there with dwayne and talking to him and i see family running in, pastors running in and lawyers running in and i was sick, hey, man i promise you, thatll never be you. I promise you thatll never be you but i wasnt so sure i wasnt going to make it on that promise. The other thing food related because i love food, of course, 20 in vending machine quarters to buy food for them and so i would go and bring 20 in quarters, all the junk food he could eat, chicken nuggets, he loved hawaiian punch, we got our own little thanksgiving where i buy him 20 worth of food and we would sit there and i would say, take your time, what can i do for you, lets sit for a long time. And actually began to form a brotherhood. Thats when it transcended lawyerclient to true brotherhood, i knew the story, the story wasnt all complex. He was home. Sometimes that i would go just to see him to tell him that there was someone who loved him and cared for him and wanted more than his freedom. You know, he loved those visits because otherwise he was in a cell 23 hours a day with the hour hour in enclosed yard, 13 pages, he could touch the arms from the cell side to side. He told me today i was talking about, he could touch the ceiling flatfooted, guys, think about that. Whats beautiful about him was he didnt break him. Guys would hang themselves in death row, one guy took his own ie ball out andate it and went back to death row and went back to death row. It broke people but it didnt break him. He was a measure of peace and grace. So you figure, we are on death row, whats this case made of, they have to have significant evidence, right . No, never been a shred of science. No forensics, no dna like you see on tv, witness interviews with identification and one of the person who actually committed the robbery and murder testified against dwayne in exchange for a lighter sentence. Thats it. I was shocked by that. When i heard heard the transcripts, i was like, where the evidence. What we did is go investigate and talk to witnesses and we began to figure out something that was shock to go me. Pressure and corruption by the District Attorneys Office and the police. One witness who claimed that he saw dwayne that morning was over a football field away. How do i know, hey, you could see him from there, she said, no, i couldnt see him, i said, why did you say so, she told me the following, im going to read from her confident, i felt pressured and frightened, did not wanting to to jail and lose my children. Prior to trial i was visited by detectives and they kept telling me that if i couldnt identify dwayne inside the car. This would make your life hell and no more was that critical than with his girlfriend. Dwayne was living at his girlfriends house. And as i told you, he was home, made that phone call. His girlfriend erika testified, complete alibi in the grand jury, yes, grand juriors, later that day he called me right at the time of the murderers. She was badge eed by the grand jury, badgered by the grand jury and threatened by the da and brought in to locked room and if you dont tell me what i want, you will be the coconfident and youll be with the needle just like your boyfriend, yes, he was home when i left and yes, he made that call, she held firm in the grand jury, da realizing he didnt have the case he wanted, decide today charge her with perjury. Think about it. Shes in jail for four months. I talked to her later and said i couldnt take it anymore, i chose my kids over dwayne. No, he wasnt home when i left and no he didnt make that phone call from my house, he made it somewhere else and that is the substance of the evidence that convicted dwayne brown and put him on death row. We also found out something even more troublesome to me as a lawyer, the grand jury which you all have heard now is more public conscious, ferguson in baltimore, new york investigates if theres a crime to go forward. Say what we want. We later found out through the investigate i have work of lisa from the houston chronical, who won the papers first pulitzer, i didnt get one which i thought i should have because i was the source crap, i said i was the source for all that work. That shocked me and i realized that i was up against something really big here in texas. One of the grand jurors had been on the jury four times. Heshe was a professional and they would grab their friends and go to the grand jury. You wanting to to the grand jury, no offense to the white people in the room but it was mostly all white people sitting in judgment and minorities charged of crimes. How is this even happening . Because of lisas work that method is abolished in texas. [applause] now grand juries in texas are picked like everywhere else, you get an annoying letter in the mail and say show up at a certain time. The best day of my life when i married my lovely wife. I specially say that when shes here and i always say it when shes not here. 2, 3, 4 firth of my kids, 5 the mets when they won the world series, thank you. There you go. Number 6 is dwaynes release, sometimes i put him above the mets, hes not here so i lo Global Market action overnight mets first after that being abolished, not only do i know that dwayne is free and future defendants are going to be treated more fairly in texas. Another aspect of the case thats troubling, dwayne has iq of 69, he has intellectual disabilities, he cant really write andrade well, in this country ik is 70 to be executed, its a straightforward law. The state expert that was hired by the state gave twain an extra 4 points for iq, he said he was stressed out and anxious at the time of testing. Well, im not a doctor but im barely smart to be a lawyer but i know that you cant get anybody 4 points because they are stressed out. We can hire experts and psychologist and they all said this was not cool and that doctor was fined 5,000 and he cant do death row evaluations anymore. There you go. [applause] and so because of that the judge granted a new sentencing phase, that wasnt enough for me. I wanted the man out. His girlfriend was impossible to find, she was the critical witness, she said the truth initially so i would go back to texas many times, i would get a tip of where she lived. I would get a tip, she would see me and slam the door and i would go home many, many times. One time we had a tip on her house i jumped into the dumpster, i sat there for eight years and i went home to dc, incredibly depressing time because i knew she was more critical that she could go back to the original story we would all be good, in a moment of grace, exonerate anthony graves which some of you called me up one day and said, youre guy is innocent and i said, i know. Ive been saying it forever. Please, what do you need me to do, go talk to the girlfriend and see if she will talk and she did and she told me that she chose her kids over dwayne, yes, when she left to work that morning and, yes, he made the phone call from her house and phone number, picked it up. So i went back to texas to the houston District Attorneys Office with all of this evidence, with all the recantations that i had gotten and that our team had gotten and i went to the da and i said, my guy is innocent. And she said, she did that, all the yankee lawyers from texas, and say all guys are innocent, good luck. I said to her, you dont know me but i will be back like arnold schwarzenegger. Remember, the phone call, i thought about this phone call all of the time. He kept telling me i made the phone call from her house so i subpoenaed the phone company, no, we dont have it, subpoenaed the cops, no, we dont have it, i was at the brink of depression, i was so angry and sad i would go down there and see him and i would be crying and i would be cursing like i cant find that curse, curse, curse phone record, i couldnt find the phone record. And he would tell me, its okay. I believe in you. Thank you for standing up for me. Like that guy with the bike. A man in solitary confinement, the man who could touch his cell from here to here gave me peace, gave me grace, the first word of the book. I always feel encouraged and i left there and in may of 2013 we received an email from the da to the judge, some of my former colleagues and said the following, the officer in charge of the case has recently found a box of documents regarding the brown trial in his home garage. Not kidding. You think youre watching the thriller but youre not, youre watching an actual thing that actually happened, the email said, while Spring Cleaning his garage and we said, hey, send us what was in there, anybody want to guess what was in there . Phone records. Yall are smart, yall figured it out. One piece of paper. Guys, a single piece of paper stuck in the middle of the box, the Golden Ticket shining out like in willy wonka. A piece of paper. You know whats worse, attached to it was a subpoena from the trial da showing that he subpoenaed the phone company the day after mother erika testified and guess what, she was and here it is to prove it. Now, i encourage you to buy my book, of course, we are here for book signing but i also encourage you to come and look at this single piece of paper saved a young mans life. In a nondna case, this was it. A piece of paper found in the garage found a mans life in texas and thats what it does and thats what it took. I felt capricious and crazy, what if there was a flood, what the f the wife said, hey, get rid of that crap in the garage, itll be gone, yet, we got it from a garage, guys. So my colleagues called the da and said, remember that i will be back thing, we are back. And to their credit they agree today a new trial without a hearing which is incredibly rare in texas. Hurry up, lets have a new trail and here is something that really made me mad, after this in may of 2013 the court of criminal appeals which had to bless that, had to say to the trial court had a new trail waited 17 months to do it, so we had a piece of paper showing he was innocent but we waited 17 months and thats when i was the most depressed and the most sad and the most angry that i had ever been. Opinions came out on wednesday in the court and every wednesday i would wake up like Christmas Morning and every wednesday it would be dam it, one time there was a brown, yes, it was joe brown, dasm it, how many browns were in texas, no ruling. We realized something from the people on the ground that in criminal appeals there was an election 2014, we were told they with would never grant during election year, 17 months was blown for an election, they won the election, congratulations to them, whoever they are and the next day they granted this new trial, transparent as can be. And then eight months later in june of 2015, june 8th, june 8th of 2015 the da agreed to dismiss the charge and Alfred Dwayne Brown walked out of death row. [applause] thank you. So you know, i like to say this is not a true crime story. Its a journey story. Its a love story, its a brotherhood story. A story of what one person would do for another and we tell our kids, never give up and care what you do and no one is watching, in this case i wanted to give up so many times but i believed in him and i believed in his innocence and he believed in me. I dont know why. Okay. I promised that i wouldnt cry, there i did, fine. [laughter] okay, its one of those chapters about that struggle. As i was driving on a back road on my way to prison in livingston i was overcome about the case, the new reelected judge had put us in the back burner. I felt like the mountain is just so damn deep to climb. I tuned in to a christian radio station, how sweet the sound, i sang along and cried. Now im really going to cry. I also thought of my mother who die offed lung cancer in 2008, her friends told them to save the prayers for her and for dwayne to be released, once i got to prison and met with twain my doubts were wiped away, his innocence reminded me i why i was had defended him. He brought me something peace. The man in solitary confinement gave me comfort and hope. I was immediately refocused and center. I told them we would file motions, they didnt work. He had artistic talent and proud of his work. He had talked to a guy in his unit of where he would go if he got out and he said he would go back to louisiana and he told me he thought about her every day and became quietly through the emily otional and not quite crying. I staired right at him. Listen to me, i will great you out get get you out of here. I know that you didnt do it. I kept my hand in the glass and looked up a few seconds and said i didnt do, i will put anything i love on it and i dont love much. He put his head down. I cried and repeated my promise. Told him to get his hand on the glass and he put his hand up to mine, we eased the conversation and i went and brought him some food, the guy on the unit had been i thought it was funny. Dwayne thought it was funny. We laughed like old friends. I felt the pain as a father and i made sure i went to see keira myself, i met her at the va where her mother lived with four including one with cer breal cerebral palsy. I let her pick out to whatever she wanted. I will do my best to bring your daddy back to you. She smiled and hugged me tightly and ran off to the apartment to show the goodies we had bought. When i got home i was emotional. I had a hard time sleeping because i was thinking about dwayne constantly. I woke up and prayed and died. My daughter ella was almost 3 and she asked me who dwayne was and ella quickly stated, thats not fair. I hugged her, told her that i agreed, i was going to try to get him out of time out, i said it was going to be very hard, i was going to keep trying because we say in our house all of the time, we never give up. Ella drew a picture of a smiley sun, daddy, you are brave. Tell dwayne to be brave too. So im going to read the final chapter. Just because im reading the final chapter that doesnt mean you cant buy the book, by the way. When i would go to houston, i would have the angry mix on my ipod, public ebb my, brings the noise, death row, what a brother knows, rage against a machine, freedom in which that same anger is a gift and i would be so amped up and angry on the way to houston and then i would have to come home and be a husband and a father and a friend and i relied on david gray the british singer who i loved dearly and who i sent to book to and maybe he would read it. His manager said, he wants to meet you, o my god, really . I met him and he signed my book. [laughter] so this is now my lucky book, you can look at this but you cannot have this. This will go to my casket with him. As if it were fate, anna went to see concert of wolf trap soon after dwayne was released. Anna and i walked around the grudge and saw beautiful sunset, during the concert i felt like he was se rentating serenating, as the concert ended i was looking at the stars and as i walked out of the concert i sang one of the best lines you know, it dont come down to nothing except love in the end, love and justice prevailed post dwayne exoneration life had begun. Thank you all. Theres a question mic so pop up. First of all, i know that youre promoting your book but i want to thank you for being here, its an honor to hear you speak and i want to thank you even for more for the book that you wrote which is i cant say shocking but inspirational. Well, thank you. And most of all, i want to thank you for what i consider the best thing a man can do which is, of course, saving a mans life. I hope that you and i together figure out how you can sign my [laughter] my wife is blushing but my question is, i would hope and expect that you have received nothing but praise for saving an innocent man from death. That was the question . My question bare with me. My question is, if you were working on Timothy Mcveighs case and any understanding is if you were his lawyer at least that the sentencing part of the trial and my recollection is that he wanted to die, would you have still articlinged that he should not be put to death . Well, thats not where i expect that had question to go but thank you. I am the privileged one to do this book. Casey caplin and im the one lucky enough to write the book because our relationship became so special because i thought it was something that it was the world just me. It was not a oneman show. It took a leg own of people, over a Million Dollars in pro bono fees, experts, the whole deal. Honestly, i defend everybody the same, guilty or not. Constitution exists for a reason and so i defend those people charged with crimes whether guilty or innocent. If he we wanted to die, i would have advocated for him not to die. If thats what the law calls for and thats what the facts called for. I defend people innocent or guilty as hard as i can. Youre going to ask me a question now. You know more about this than i do . No, i just i have a lot of questions but i thought talking about the book and twain was wonderful, the thing is when you see him and dwayne together its not a clientattorney relationship. They are brothers. Thank you. Thats what you see and its all that love. Now, that is actually a very good question, thank you, leno. [applause] do you have guests or an estimate or approximation on how many people there are on death row that are possibly innocent or probably innocent . Sure, thats a really good question, thank you. So texas has a really bad record. They executed a man name cameron, you should all google, he was convicted of arson in his home murdering his children he later found to be innocent. People who are smarter than me who do research and analyze anything, 4 of people on death row are innocent. 260 in texas, 4 of that, people on the no and people like others are more like 10 . Somewhere 4 and 10 . But the strategy is, though, not everyone has a champion. I get a lot of letters and calls now and my wife i cant do another one, i cant. It took way too much out of me and the people who do this for a living really deserve my thanks and respect. But there are a lot. I say 4 to 10 . Texas had its lowest number of competent executions since in 1996 this year. The recent election got upheld in california, it got upheld in nebraska, the votes dont correlate with that but i believe that we are at the end here. We have been really close to the end if a certain democrat would have won the election, but left a few decades, i think. Hi, thanks for being here. My father is incarcerated though not for his innocence and i hear a lot of interesting stories, so from your perspective from the legal perspective and the other side its an interesting tail. I have a question that is related perhaps more to Current Events but as you were talking about dishonesty from Police Officers and so forth, i cant help to think about whats happening today in Standing Rock and with the senseless and perpetual murder of black bodies and Police Dishonesty and im wondering as a citizen, as someone who doesnt have your legal expertise, what sort of pass forward to challenge Police Dishonesty from your place as a professional but also from perhaps people like myself who are not in your shoes. Thank you, thank you for coming up and talking about your father, im happy to send him a book and he should read it and give him hope. Dwaynes life was a black life that did not matter and he would have been executed and everybody would have gone onto and the Younger Generation is actually a good thing, not standing up for this. Go watch the document the 13th if you havent already. We cant stand for this anymore. My advice to you if someone is to advocate and support those groups who are doing the advocacy, Texas Defender Service who sent me dwaynes case, aclu, the place that is dont stand up for this stuff and we as a people should not stand up for it anymore. Think about it for a second, the da, had his phone record in his possession, moral hazard, right, i want to get this highprofile conviction, i want this man to be executed, i want to stand there with the victims family saying that i did justice for the family, oh, crap that shows innocence, what does he do, no one is looking. Moral hazard and she shelves it or i dont know. The point is to remain vigilant. You have to be super herotype vigilant. Thank you. Give me best to your father, okay. Good. Hi, sounds very simplistic, you mentioned specifically that regardless of innocence or guilty, you do your upmost to defend your clients. So this is a very personal question which is how you feel when somebody you know is guilty is acquitted . My grandmother who just passed away asked me the same question. [laughter] you probably didnt know that. And my answer to her and my answer to you is if the constitution was upheld and everybody did their rrob, and that happened, then that happened. I fight the government every day to make sure they uphold their end of constitutional bargain and if i do the same thing and that happens, thats okay, because the Playing Field was fair for all. That happens a lot less than you think, i will tell you that much. I will tell you that most clients of mine that are guilty of something usually get convicted of something and justice usually shakes out the right way as long as everybody plays fair. My wife was a prosecutor and she played fair every time, i hope. [laughter] in my job is humanize the person who did the offense. Ic i couldnt i dont think i have ever done that, so thank you. Its a real honor listening to you. Thank you. And the story is. Moving. Theres two issues that i walk away here. One is the tremendous the greatest sin that can be committed obviously on death row, the murder of an innocent man and we can sit here and talk about death row and so forth but more importantly, there seems to be probably thousands of people who get the 20, 30 year sentence and so i think the greater injustice perhaps maybe one of the roots here, the idea of questioned proqo, we will give you a lesser sentence if you testify, and seems like somebody who is not involved just so wrong to make a deal with someone and that was the cornerstone of this case, perhaps, all of the people who are threatened, the favor was a threatening one or favorable or is that ever going to change . The first one about giving cooperative deals, i plead somebody the other day that it testified on somebody else. The pressuring and badgering is not cool and shouldnt have been done. I see a lot in federal court, gun cases, middle level person testifies for a lower sentence, these things happens and thats how the system will continue to work, 97 of the federal cases end up in pleas, think about that. Theres so few federal trials. Thank you very much. Ive just come back and being outside the u. S. And living with mike. Weve been married for a long, long time but we live in different places. I understand. Hes a lot to handle. But ive been getting more and more involved with what hes doing, and supporting a lot of his efforts. One of the things im curious to know a little bit about doing now, that hes got free. The thing that is roasted up for me as ive gotten to know some of the exonerates is the word exoneration does not mean you are innocent. Because it means on the record you are still required to say you are arrested, committed for felony, you cant find a job. You dont have a clean record. I dont think a lot of people know that because they think exoneration means your life is fine now. Im curious about your thoughts about that and how dewayne is doing. Dewayne is exonerated and innocent. I said that everywhere i go because the record shows. I understand your point. Theres a book about them. You can find the records. He has had challenges, but whats beautiful about him is, when he walked out of the prison he said i have no hate in my heart for what they did to me. He spoke words of love. Even said he cant trust everybody but you can love everybody. Thats how he lives his life everyday. My wife and i and my church, weve helped him out financially at times. We are still, im sure why because ill ask whether he will get paid. We are still fighting the battle. But until that time hes peaceful. When we do speeches together, i get all jacked up as i did tonight, and he just smooths me out. Hes just a wonderful, amazing man. Hes doing great, probably better than a lot of the exonerates other exonerates. Think about glenn ford, exonerated in louisiana, came out. They gave him 20 and a metro card or bus fare. He died penniless from lung cancer. After someone had taken 30 or so minutes life. For so thats not spirit i think the point is that yes, they are innocent but the system has not, is not saying there innocent. Thats true. Thats important for people to understand. And follows them forever, no doubt. Now theres a book. My hope is that his beast continues and is on his feet and he is happy. Thank you. Another one, all right. Two more. We only have an hour but im good spirit did you buy him his house . Thats in the book, youre right. Not yet the answer is. But were going about it. Her brothers to live. You will see in the book theres a picture, we have matching skills of justice tattoos here totally true. If you buy multiple copies of the book i will show it to you. I can do that . Okay. After cspan stops ill ill take my shirt off and you can see with a tattoo is. [laughter] he and i are like brothers now. He slept out my house. He is stuck with me forever. We will make sure he is taken care of. Hes pretty good at taking care of himself now, which is kind of beautiful. Second of all, whats your experience within the Justice System in terms of the Justice System handles people with Mental Illness and not difficult in terms of the police force not having proper skills in terms of dealing with them but also once then arrested and start to be in the system, i tell the system then judges or doesnt judge and proceeds from their . Thats one place where system does a terrible job. Identifying it, trading it. Many people dont deserve to be in prison. Dewayne tells me theres a lot of people on death row who have serious Mental Illness and the treatment but arent getting it. I would try to get as me people as a good drug treatment or Mental Health treatment to go back to what i think is the traditional roots of punishment which is we should punish people for doing stuff but if have an issue or drugs, try to fix them or get them treatment so they can reinsert. Thats an issue which were doing very poorly on. Most of the times its like get them out of here. I find thats a real failing i think. Come back for another one. Last one. Probably quick. Can you end with another nice thing about me . You deserve it. I was just a most people here have not read your book, and i would encourage everybody to read the acknowledgments. Because the last sentence where you mention dewayne brought tears to my eyes. Thank you. I should read you all of my speeches. [laughter] 10 royalty. Done. That is good. Thanks. Im really glad it touched you. 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