America as his running made and said black people are lazy. But youre going to vote for him because hillary has some emails . I thought that was a great emails i just cant even believe that were talking about this. Makes me crazy. That was on email from mel. From studio underwritten in part by sputnik radio, this is the thom hartman program. Welcome bathroom. On the line if minikennedy, the activist, writer, supporter of gordon siegelman, star of the series mom. You can tweet her at mimi kennedy. Welcome back to program. Caller thank you, tom. Great to hear you voice. Were also on cspan today so an elarger than normal audience. My second favorite network. Im on mom. Host of course. You have to like your own network. Anyhow, one out of four american votes are at risk of having their votes stolen or flipped on election day. Tell me about this. Caller well, this is the vote counting program. You know what i really want to say right up, youre always saying it, too, thom. This call about voter fraud election rigging because theres so much voter fraud, is completely ridiculous and wrong and ignorant. If you think about it, for two seconds, voter fraud, impersonating a voter at the polls and thereby throwing an entire election . I dont think so. So this whole voter intimidation of people of color at the polls is criminal. Has at the be stopped. Anytime you hear voter fraud, you should know that is what its about. Voter intimidation of certain kinds of voters. And Election Fraud is what im talking about. Which is done by insiders with the capacity to, like, White Collar Crime that steals billions on the stock market or the bank, instead of from a 7eleven holding them up. That kind of large massive fraud is Election Fraud. Okay. A lot of host so, youve got talk about Election Fraud, you have a new movie or documentary over at black box voting. Org, spiteled fraction magic. Its available on youtube. And you guys discovered that the vote counting machines are counting instead of counting my vote as one vote, and kennys vote is a second vote, its actually counting my vote as 100 votes or 1. 00, and ben is 1. 00, and kenny has 1. 00, and so it could reduce my vote to. 73 if it wanted to. Caller if it wanted to. And when we say machines were actually talking about tabulators. Not necessarily the machines that you stan there and cast your vote on, which are trouble, as we know, but were talking about the central tabulator that the Election Officials use to count up all the votes, be they digital or optic scanned paper ballots. There is the possibility, if you have five or six seconds access to that tabulator, and you prepared a Little Program on your usb before hand, that you can imply percentages you want to certain races and those races will come out exactly as you have asked them to come out, which is why preelection polling is constant these days. Theres little bit more that i think we could save since electronic voting came in. I remember some of the talk when i was younger. It is a key component of needing to know what kind of percentages you might want to manipulate an election by. Im just saying that this capacity exists in all the tabulating software. And that is that between 80 some 90 of our votes. Not everybody is using it. You can also use software to rob anything, to bride, intrude, hack, but we also use software for what we want. We need verification. Host you go. Theres a fascinating back story to this that you told us about last night on our tv show, that the guy who wrote the program tell me who this guy was. Caller the guy is this this is about 1999, black box voting will have the history accurately. But jeffrey dean was a guy who was in prison because he was a code writer and he wrote code for an Accounting Firm he worked for, and he used his own code to steal billions from embezzle from the Accounting Firm. So he is in jail, and meets a man there who was into drug running of in sort, and they went, we can start a Voting Machine Company that and so jeffrey dean wrote the code for global election management systems, gem. Those tabulators went to diebolt and migrated to the same software, and to dominion and sequoia. So, he put, jeffrey dean, an Accounting Program in the counting of the vote. What does this it doesnt wrong there. 100cents on the dollar is for when youre doing money. 1. 31. But 1. 31 votes . Doesnt belong there but it allows you to apply percentages with a great degree of precision, and in the code write ores investigation and discovery of theft of Court Documents they got legally, they saw fractionalized votes. Then benny who knows accounting software, goes, what is the fraction doing there . And he went looking for, does this counting program have the ability to turn votes into fractions . Well, it did, and it does. And it is in all our votecounting conditions. Host could say that everybody in this particular voting district that votes largely, lets say, democratic, their votes are actually countedded a. 6 of a vote or. 7 of a vote. Caller you can weight the voters and weight the races. What you see in the fraction magic videoes going in with your thumb drive of percentages and in, like, six minutes, changing a the races and, guess what, you leave certain precincts alone because theyre going to be audited, like in fresno, county, theyre choosing the audit precincts in august, for november. So, host so they know in at vans where to mess with and where not to. Caller yes. If youre going to do this you know that. Can certainly choose your precincts. Host now, were talking with mimi kennedy, activist and has a new documentary out and its over its called fraction magic. And greg palace want the program last week and pointed out that in his opinion, a large part of the red shift, which have seen since 1998, in 2000 in a big way, where the exit polls show that, for example, al gore won florida, for example, but the votes, the actual count shows he didnt. That the reason for the stretch si is that tens of thousands of voters had been thrown off the voting rolls and showed up and given provisitational ballots and thought they voted but their vote never got town and that is the red shift. Are you suggesting these states that seem like theyre blue in the polling but suddenly come out red when the election happens, 30 republicans states attorneys general are aggressively got this list of seven Million People with common last names theyre throwing off the voting rolls, predominantly minorities. Are you suggesting this is another reason for the red shift . Caller yes. I agree with greg, that is obvious, and what we can see. They purged voters mostly of color. Gregs movie, explains that. I am saying that if youre interested in doing Election Fraud, and we have that is a large undertaking. Not voter fraud, like, ive got a license that somebody else and im going to vote, haha, voter fraud. Barely exists. Leaks fraud is like a war and you need to pass the smell test so you dont get caught, and you need to reduce the voters you dont want and say, they didnt come out to vote. Your voters didnt show up. And that is purge lists and now voter intimidation. Its horrible. Thats what we can see. I am also suggesting that this program is something you cant see and sometimes its used and ballot images i want to put that word out there is a dilution and you will find that on black box voting. Citizen activists are going to solve this and hope the doj will get involved but nobody wants to talk about election rigging but its Election Fraud and not voter fraud and can be stopped. Host got it. Youre brilliant. Thank you. This is the Thom Hartmann. Well be back with more after this. Welcome back. 17 minutes past the hour. Diane from waco, texas. Whats on your mind . Caller thom . Host youre on the air. Caller oh, okay. I was just calling, i have a concern for the voters out there that its kind of upset about this spike in the obamacare and the republicans are just jumping on it, and acting like its not working and stuff. But you know, i know that was all a scheme from the beginning from the republicans to not make obamacare work and thats not right. The democrats and republicans and independents out there, we shouldnt be so concerned about this because we can fix that. We can fix the Healthcare System but what we cannot fix, cannot afford to try to fix is donald trump. Donald trump just wants to probably ruin america, and now seeing that his wife is on another channel saying she is trying to help the children but when have the republicans or donald trump ever been concerned about kids or anybody else. Thats what im saying. Why now are the so concerned . Hillary dedicated her life to helping children and families. And now everybody wants to say, clintons are corrupt and stuff but theres proof that donald trump is even corrupt himself. I dont know she is correct. We need to focus on getting about off the table and quit worrying about the health care system. We have men on the moon and technology and everything, think we can Work Together and fix the Healthcare System where everybody can afford it. Host you would think. Especially since countries like costa rica has a Healthcare System that works for everybody. If a small country can do that, we can do that. And of course, big country does it, france, germany. Basically all of europe. Have you seen the new Michael Moore movie trumpland . Caller i havent seen it but heard about it. Host its on hulu. It is amazing gets a whole bunch goes to juan of the most conservative counties the ohio and invites Trump Supporters and then has this hourlong conversation with them about donald trump and Hillary Clinton, and you will laugh so hard and you will have tears in your eyes and it is absolutely brilliant. And he makes an affirmative case for Hillary Clinton. And knocks down this stupid idea its like, were voting for the lesser of two evils. What is the evil . Caller yeah. Host so do. Caller then they spinning all this spending all this taxpayer money investigating the clintons to years and decades and could have invested this money inmer e america. What did they find . Bill had an affair. Name three. S who didnt. I can name one. Jimmy carter. As far as i know, probably the only one. Caller thank you so much host and probably obama never had an affair. Caller yeah, probably. So but we they need to quit focusing on the things below Hillary Clinton because i have nieces and nephews i, saying i dont want to vote for her because i cant trust her. What is there not to trust . How can you trust donald trump and the republican . Look at the cries they caused in 2008. Dont get it with people. People need to investigate and do their homework. Host well, our News Business is not the News Business anymore. Its the infotainment system, and they want a horse race, and because you get more eyeballs and make more money on advertising and theyre going to prop up trump so it gets 5050 and get e get more money. [inaudible] you can earn extra money thanks to uber. The ultimate side hustle. Earn extra cash. Not just another j. O. B. A totally flexible way to earn. A few spare hours here and there, drive an uberand youre your own boss. Id do it. Every day is payday when you drive with uber bass you can cash out anytime with instant pay. 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Host youre absolutely right and that is don, you are brilliant. I dont know why i didnt think of that but youre right. Caller nobody is talking about it. Host thats a huge hole in this oh, Just Health Insurance across state lines. Youre right. Go to the hospital or the doctor in new york city or in san francisco, its going to cost a hell of a lot more if you do it in rural, louisiana. Its just a fact of life. And caller i just have been waiting for people to talk about this. I dont know how much time ive got but one other thing. The health care problem. The cancer industry is a huge expense, and it is never going to change because theres too much money in it. I dont know i suggest you get a book called tripping over the truth the return of the cancer a hopeful path to a cure by travis kristoferson, and it us an earntive theory to the treatment of cancer, which treats 98 of all cancers. The nih, the nci, knows about this treatment approach, they saw video, the research was done at john hopkins university, and it came out in 2001, a brilliant researchers named young hi koh from the university of maryland host don, were wandering but made your point and got the book title and author. Thank you for the call. Al, in minneapolis. Whats up . Caller thom, thank you for taking my call. A couple of quick things about Health Savings accounts. The nonexistent trump medical plan has one specific, they always talk about Health Savings accounts as though theres something our instinct creative and brand new. Theyve been around forever. I used to do my granddaughters taxes years ago and she had a Health Savings account. When i just look at the 2015 tax instructions for 1040, there are five different pages devoted to health civilization account. Whats the new big deal . Host right. Theres not a new big deal. Think theyre capped at five grand or ten grand. Maybe they want to remove the cap and put 50,000 of your income, because these people who are thinking about this stuff, are affluent people. Thats who theyre talking to, and somehow theyre getting average working people or people who are really struggling to think, oh, gee, that must be the solution. It blows my mind. Thank you for the call. Sharlene in gilbert, arizona. Caller hey. Ate in aetna Health Insurance on monday announced theyre going into a new program with one of our Hospital Systems here in the phoenix area called banner health, and theyre creating a jointly owned health plan company, and theyre going to offer the coverage to employers and their employees in maricopa and pinel county. Isnt that interesting . Host im not sure i understand the significance of it. Caller well, host why should i care . Caller well, its just an Insurance Company trying to find another way to control peoples healthcare. And theyre engaging in this with one of the two Major Hospital providers in the phoenix area. Host right. Caller and the medicare mergers are they want to go through are united and anthem and then uhummanna and aetna. These are clear violations of a the sherman antitrust act and its the other bill, laws that have followed on its heals. Thank you for that. Host its 28 minutes past the hour. ll be back with more of your calls. After this. [inaudible conversation] [inaudible conversations] Thom Hartmann reading today from screwed the undeclared war on the middle class. [inaudible conversations]. In the last month or so ive been getting all these calls from people who say, i love your program. Ive been watching it for years. Im with you. I used to be a big Bernie Sanders supporter and just a word about Hillary Clinton. Shes just so untrustworthy. They just, i call them concerned trolls. The first time this happened i thought this just doesnt sound right. The database, the guy called me three times before over the last couple months and every single time he was a republican. So now we are able to figure out the guys who are trying to poke us, which is fast eddie. I think some of these folks get paid because whats happening, happening six, a times a day. Chris sometimes catches it and it doesnt make it as far as me but when it does i have fun with them on the air. Interesting, the wonders of technology. If you call into a talk show, whether ours or any other, a couple things remember. Number one, theres always the time, if solicits a dirty word, you can push a button and dump it. We listening to your phone rather than you ready or your tv because number one. Number two, try to start with the biggest first and then offer your supporting information. A lot of folks, i think its a common impulse on our part is to try to build up to the big crescendo. Give a bunch of information to the point where the penny drops and people go now i di get it. The problem is that when you call in and you have a minute or two, thats the nature of the beast, so start off with the biggest point, then offer the explanation of why. Thats what happened to the woman who called from earlier. I think her name was dorothy and wouldve loved effort which had to say but the break comes and you cant stop the break. Once it starts. Had she started with her biggest point it wouldve gotten made and then she could have filled in the ancillary information with the rest of the story. To give credibility and make it interesting. For what its worth. And we have a website, tom wargo. Com. We also, louise is why wife and my business partner, weve been married 43 years. She started this project called hartman report. Com. Its also dot org. There are no advertisers. You dont have assigned a. Its completely free. 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Thom hartmann with you and so happy to be with you. An interesting day in d. C. It started hot. Supposed of a thunderstorm later and dropped down to 70. Really weird weather. Global warming, i dont know, what can you say. Kathy in orange virginia. Whats on your mind . The Affordable Care act, outrageously refused to call it obamacare because that word affordable it scares the right. If millions of people now of Health Insurance, they are either paying a premium for getting a subsidy from the government or getting through their employer. And now that they have Health Insurance and cant go to doctors instead of the uninsured people flooding the emergency rooms, it seems to me that thats kind of what has perpetuated, the higher cost of hospitals and doctors and all because over the last 20 years, and ill be getting medicare starting in the summer by the way you are going to love it. I know i will. Right now i do have a subsidy and actually pay a little bit every month on purpose, something to look at the 100 a month. What people are not saying is that the increases is what the Insurance Companies doing to get those people had registered on the marketplace and were allowed to have a subsidy, those people will pay less money anyway. Subsidies are going up. As the rates go up the subsidies are also going up. Thats something no republican will tell you. And where the employees are getting maybe a hike on pairs come if the input is honestly cares about his employees, he might be splitting the difference. He wants to keep his profits, and yes, those employers will have a raised amount and blame it on president obama. The other thing is once everybody has insurance, pays a little bit of a premium, or none if theyre allowed, then when they get sick or need care, who pays for that . The Insurance Companies. And thats where scarce a daylight out of the right and it exonerates the left. Thats really all i wanted to say. You said it brilliantly. Thank you so much for the call. Just in elizabeth, illinois. Thanks for listening to us. Whatsapp . Id like to change the subject and go to them minimum wage talk again. Police. Thats great. The only problem i see with it is people who are not making, or are making minimum wage right now, when they get to raise to 15 an hour, the people that are just above minimum wage, they will get a boost up the people that are above 15 an hour, theyre not going to get a raise with it. Now. Thats not, thats not how it works. Thats one of the principal republican talking points and it has been and thanks a lot for the corporate and has been for the better part of eight years or longer. The minimum wage to put in place and as i recall 1935, but if there were any reality to that and thats one argument is that the people at the very bottom, they have to play, that was created but in the middle. Nobody else will get a pay boost. The other one is that if the people at the bottom get a boost, that employers can have employees anymore and people lay people off. If theres any truth in one of those stores, every republican would have memorized a year. In other words, if you say we are going to raise the minimum wage. Weve had minimum wage raises, its been raised over 30 tons and so started in 1935. I think its been 36 or 37 times the minimum wage has been raise. One of those races was 20 . If any of those minimum wage increases have caused a decrease in employment or a decrease in average wages, then every republican in the country would say as soon as some assist lets raise the minimum wage, they go 1974. Dont remember what happened in 1974 . Had raised the minimum wage and it was a disaster. Thats what they would say. But they dont say that. Because it didnt happen. It sounds logical so why didnt it happen . It didnt happen because of the basic rule of economics. This is the basic rule if you read adam smith, 1776, wealth of the nation. Frankly a better book about us but its called about adam smith is called i lost the title. Its about the morality of the economy. Any case, the theory of moral sentiments is brilliant. Basically what you point out, and this is classic economics, literally there are writings by aristotle about this. Classical economics is about people at the bottom of the economy spend virtually all of their income. And when they spend that money, it creates demand for goods and services. The demand for goods and services is responded to by people like me, entrepreneurs. I havent worked for another person since i was 19, maybe 20. And just been running my own businesses. What i do is look around and say history to make with where industry demand for product with we moved to atlanta in 1983 after we started a community for of these kids and do that for five years and moved to atlanta, need to start a business. I couldnt find a travel agency that wanted to have the business of a Small Business traveler. So i started one. In three years would go to a sixpoint ohs company and sold it off and retired in 1986 and moved to germany for your with her kids. Thats the result of come and do so because there was demand, people because all the travel agencies were either serving Big Companies like American Express or they were selling like Million Dollar cruise is that nobody wanted to service that Small Business market. So we created one and it worked. What happens is when the average working person, when their pay goes up the amount of money circulating through the system goes up. Recalled his economic stimulus. We call this economic stimulus. Aggregate demand. From 7000 years ago you find the ancient some areas tablet, the earliest accounting systems, literally from 7000 years ago and killed 1981, everybody understood that if you want to stimulate the economy you get money to people at the bottom of the pile because they spend all of it. That generates aggregate demand. It creates demand for products and services and people come to fill that demand and the economy grows. But in 1981 what happened was Ronald Reagan came along and the question was how did we screw the middle class and make the rich richer . I realized that sounds rude but basically thats really what it was and thats whats happened. The middle class in this country for 30 someones years has been screwed. Youve got republicans pointing to it and that unlike the last seven years of obstruction everything president obama want to do that would stimulate the economy. For example, nancy pelosi actually got passed out of the house of representatives a piece of legislation that would do away with the tax breaks for Companies Moving jobs overseas and replace them with tax breaks for Companies Moving their jobs better. The republicans filibustered that innocent. It wouldv would have stimulatee economy. It would have created jobs. They break it and then you stand around going president obama has done a good job with the economy, the economy is all 1 growth, thats nothing. They are bragging. They are bragging. Im kind of wandering al wonderr the place on this but i want to get back to my original point which was about when you raise the minimum wage, what happens is the entire system is a little more vibrant, a little more active. This is why in seatac washington with a rais raise the minimum we laughter they saw the economy grow. Applied every single time you see an increase in the minimum wage the economy grows. When the economy grows there is more competition for workers because the economy is growing, the employers need to hire more people. Theres competition for good workers and what happens when the competition . Wages go up. So the original question that my caller, the original republican talking point that a call can put out, i just want to bury very clear thats not how it works. And i hope my rant explanation wasnt too convoluted. I know i try to cover a lot of territory but all really fits together. Once you understand this stuff, basic economics, and by the weight making 81 when reagan came up with this new wacom they called supplyside economics or tripled in economics. George Herbert Walker bush i call it bs. We will be back. I guess thats my job. Welcome back. Its 15 minutes before the hour. Lets take some more calls. Carla in greenville, North Carolina. Whats up . This is going to go hand in hand with what you read from screwed about an hour ago. We have farmers in North Carolina who are taking part of the farmland and building beautiful solar farms. They are and credible. Every time i see a new and going up i get really excited come and our governor pat mccrory who by the way used to work for duke energy had one of these secret meetings and pushed through a bill that made it illegal for these solar farmers to sell to sell their power to their neighbors. They must sell it to the date Energy People like duke, who then in turn turned around and sells it to their neighbors at a much higher cost. I was talking to one of these guys the other day. He said what id record i could do whatever i wanted with it. Now that im going energy and untold now, i have to do this and screw my neighbors for just the reason i did it. I wanted to help my country and help the people in my county and try to bring down the costs on the energy and time threatened. Its big business all over again. And having people like our governor in the back pocket. Its very sad. Its very sad to see how hard these people are trying to do what they can and then theyre being slammed down. Its not just very sad. Its morally reprehensible. Theres something very similar to this happening in florida right now, carla, and its called issue one on the florida ballot. And it is being billed as a solar choice initiative. It was put there by the big power companies. They are spending millions on this thing, Republican Party is supporting it, promoting it. When you read it, it sounds, basically what it says is if you produce, if you dont produce your own solar you dont have to subsidize people who do. Which sounds sort of reasonable. And sounds like choice but really what it is is theyre going to do such a exact same thing that your governor did in North Carolina, which is make it difficult if not impossible our lives very expensive to produce is sold on your own home and sell back into the grid. Its a terrible, terrible thing. It shouldnt be. Ive got to move along the thank you for the call. Jon in michigan. Thanks for watching. Weve got a minute to the break. Whats up . I dont want to touch base about a meeting i was at, western Oakland Democratic Party meeting. I wanted to speak and i wanted on the agenda. My topic that i was asked about was the beginning of the death of democracy in america. At that meeting i was not allowed to speak. Really . Yeah. And i was really shocked. In your mind what is the linchpin of the bullet or whatever the metaphor is for the death of america . What is the thing that is causing up . Im going to give you a definition that political philosophy and movement of extreme nationalism, militaristic, imperialism, suppression of civil rights, the opposition to democratic social progress, explicitly efforts of a fanatical minority to seize complete political power. Spent you are describing italy speak thats a topping out in america. Tragically in small ways and in some big ways, i dont disagree with you, john. Thanks a lot for the call. We will be right back. Welcome back. I want to thank cspan for coming in today and doing our show. Hey, maybe thats kenny. I dont know if we can get a camera shot of that. Acacia out of the range. Guys, thanks so much for being here. Its a real honor. We then see spent a couple of times like this. Its super. Speaking of which, doug from staten island, new york, watching us on cspan. Whats on your mind. Kudos on the minimum wage. You are getting the absolute in depth discussion of cause and effect, giving people speak in idioms. So i applaud you on that. Thank you. I hope you will allow me a te discretion to the anecdote whataburger bring a. This doctrine, it was journalist to the profession i feel. Heres the quick anecdote to. You know in the last couple of years ahead of serving of the most trusted name in journalism and it was pbs. The same of the show the people watch fox news to most people who that was at Northwestern University study. Right. I was at a virginia festival of books, jim lehrer, he was there. I bought one of his books and want to signing i asked him, listen, i was wondering why dont you ever ask people for documentation or exhibit it was a weve done some investigation and your argument is untrue. Why dont you do the quick he just looked at me and he gave me this look like a deer in headlights and he just didnt seem to get it. View of how people to come on and espouse their position for five or 10 minutes without interruption unlike the Cable Networks but you never hold their feet to the fire as they exhibit a. , please. He didnt get it. I didnt get it either until about two years later i saw them any special event, the former general manager of the washington post, you know, during the watergate crisis, is one of the key people who knew who deep throat was, anyway, they had a special and in the special jim lehrer said you know, that bring something a. A few of my fiercely why dont you just tell us the truth why dont you give us the facts . We are not in the fax business, are we . And then brand the always kept his cards close to his desk he became apoplectic on tv and he sputtered, what, what, well, well, if not, we are sure the damn closest thing we are to be two it. Let me come up to you and anecdote. I mentioned in radio when i was 16 years old in 1967 in lansing as a dj. I did that for three years. Agate countrywestern for your effort to you use i get all my progressive rock show. And a rock n roll show. The next seven years i did news. At this Little Family owned, owned by three families, like i was initiative, a program and again was a salesman. They got together and he started his Radio Station from scratch and it became the number one station in lansing. At that time, because i was on air and i was news, at that time if i was caught talking with the sales guy i would get fired. It was that serious. It was like this wall between how we make our money and how we present the news. Absolute wall. I dont believe that was unique. I believe that was all over this country. So doug, spot on and thanks a lot for the call and thanks for sharing your story. Thanks for watching us on cspan, too. Bill in virginia. Whats up . Thanks for taking my call. First thing i did tell your screen or sugar beets agree. Only for me. Speak this is one of our advertisers. I do drink it everyday and it does lower my blood pressure. Its amazing to guess i could not believe what happened when i got back to check my blood pressure. What i was asking this of this, i live in richmond. I grew up about 90 miles from d. C. I noticed, i know this because my son lives of the. If they have a standard minimum wage, nationally, if i make 50,000 in richmond, i have to make 80,000 to live the equivalent weight in d. C. Thats my point is, you can take most any place, i could buy go to western maryland and cumberland and find the same thing going back and. Thats what bothers me. I can see if the states want to do but adults have a federal remedy can do because disparate and cost of living. Theres a predicating assumption youre missing, and i understand. Its so easy to do this in these small slices and to try to be entirely logical about it. Just like early when we talk about health care and really the debate behind the debate was is health care a right or is it a privilege . Similarly, the big question that we have to ask ourselves as a country, particularly when having conversations about the men wage or unionization, is did we create and economy, for the benefit of the people who own the economy come or did we create an economy for everybody who is a citizen of the country . Fact that matt is that economies dont just spontaneous of rise. Economies are like Football Games. Theres a difference between a Football Game and a baseball game. They have very different roles and so the federal government and establishes the rules of the game of the economy, establish, and provide a court system to adjudicate those rules and all the sorts of things but a moral imperative, the question is is this economy, and we created this economy the way it is for the benefit of the people or for the benefit of the people at the top, the people who owned the economy put those people who oppose the minimum wage, the whole idea of the minimum wage, and Teddy Roosevelt of this out, Teddy Roosevelt rolled this thing out in 1907, the idea does, that no working person should ever live in poverty, that theres an inherent dignity and worth. The republican change on this result are concerned what i should say is that there are jobs that are just like so bad that those people should live in poverty. But it didnt used to be that way. People old enough to remember the old Jackie Gleason show, the honeymooners, he was a bus driver. His nextdoor neighbor, and crandon, worked in the sewers. These guys had a decent life even though they were doing kind of the bottom rung jobs. So if our predicate is that now working person in america should be in poverty, then went to ask the question at a National Level whats the absolute threshold for that . And then on a statebystate and city by city basis, should the threshold be for them to so i agree with the concept in theory what a really want it in that frame. We really need to be thinking of these things in moral terms because thats why we have government is to provide for life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, to provide for a country that works and provide for the health and safety and quality of life of our citizens. Thats one of the reasons, the principal reason we have a minimum wage law. Thanks so much for being with us today. I really appreciated the dont forget democracy is not a spectator sport. It takes more than voting. 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