My broadcast television along with dvr devices and without a cable connection just from the internet for 8 a month. Host this is over the air broadcast channel the people can get to . Guest that is correct. This is the key element of technology that is a micro antenna. If you think about it as how you used to have antennas in the past, we miniaturized them through a lot of sophisticated technologies. The purpose of miniaturizing them is that we can build hundreds of thousands of these things into a very small room. By doing that, we can allow the cloudbased implementation of how consumers handle that. Which is really the big innovation with clout technologies that allow us to it ignore the costs and bring it down very dramatically, lower barriers to consumers,. Host is all it is is a chicken here . Guest there is a loop, the front end of it. And does this provide hd . Hd reception . Guest yes, it does. Host are one to two courts that are challenging you. What is that about. Guest is somewhere within that broadcast to launch the company there was a detailed view of the technology, almost a hearing in the trial that completed that and we succeeded the technology. The analysis that we had done was correct. And after that validation, you know, the plaintiffs appealed that decision there. And as it happens, it is over the plan and the request is part of that. The entire Circuit Court gets together that is the current status. It continues at the lower court. We are a private company. It is one of the moderate luxuries in particular on top of that. So what we are finding is that as we have this subsidy, several kinds of positive people registered. We understand the conduct and what i do with these other reasons. We understand the online video. And this experience of the price point seems a little bit more logical. Most people tend to watch four or five or seven channels and it just appeals to those people to say that there is some rationality with logical long way simplicity and convenience. But i think that a value of this goes to consumers. Host are their cable channels that are part of this . Guest we are working with a partner on this. And that seems to have done really well. It coincides with the evolution of television which will be skinny libraries is what i call them. They have a tremendous amount of cable and people want lives that think that this is important there are special events and things of that nature. We are focusing on the first category that we think that we can open this platform up to. Host what is your response so you are stealing their signal . Guest at some point you have to call it what it is. When the court courts express an opinion that it is a Legal Technology that is consistent with what congress intended, it is difficult for me to look at it any other way this is part of the advertising spectrum. And this technology only applies to the broadcast, but not cable as well. When you work for this case, it is a productive partisanship where we enter into this. The consumer has the right to an antenna and so we have consistently started to prepare the length of the wire that connects the antenna to your dvr and whether you live in an apartnto h a 50foot wire versus a 10foot wire, how is that any different . So we think that, you know, but that is how it works. Host well, we want to bring into the conversation matt schwartz. He is a correspondent with communications daily. Guest from the very beginning of your companys existence, walk me through your start process if you start a company knowing that big rock to broadcasters would try to throw you out. To what was your help . Guest we have spent a few months Walking Around and educating people. We are hoping that the intent was as we educate these folks, that they would recognize that as surprising as it is, as unexpected as it is it will be good. And frankly, it is a great example how the upstart new technologies are trying to expand. Those technologies it has a lot of different areas that i use for interfaces and cost values and cost forms. Our hope that isnt we would educate people. Host one of the judges in the design, in most of those instances, they had some issues. They called areas in an attempt to avoid the reach of the copyright act. How would you respond with those accusations . First and foremost, i think that its important to know that the company spends money and we are taking advantage of the guard rails of the law. First we need to build technology that complies this and that is a perfectly fine thing to do so it is part of the law. The Program Producers are getting their fair share. Guest about 54 Million People get television over the areas in which it performs. 54 Million People have the intent behind the broadcasting on and i think it started in 1932 and 33. It was granted with broadcasters that have interest in convenience there is plenty of advertising and the fact that he doesnt want to just be part of the dominant part of the broadcasting theres a lot of technological innovation that comes around. We have it on cspan and now everyone has a meaningful business and everyone is a happy partner. This is the same dispute multiple years later. Many billions of dollars and especially as opposed opportunity. Host when Cable Companies originally started that lasted for a while but in 1992 Congress Change that so why are we treated in this way, it seems like they are treated unfairly so we really have to take a look at the same thing in the grand or so. It seems like the mvps of Cable Companies, the person who makes this Television Set it has scratched this to go along with this content, being able to force people to sell them content. He has rights to Public Access on this and the rights that come along with this and is part of that, we have to have a broader effort. So herewith the internet we have no rights we dont know what is going to happen and here is an ecosystem that has absolutely a tremendous amount of uncertainty equipment providers have never proved the retransmission of the signal. They are not vindictive, they dont have the rights and protections. So they are trying to levy that regime on equipment providers and it absolutely makes no sense. And the taxation is something that we are talking about. Host what would be the difference, chet kanojia, and youtube taking the broadcast programs and putting the whole program right on youtube for people to watch . Guest welcome there is a huge amount of difference. They dont dvr this, but they control the entire experience and the consumer would get what they want to do and that would be unique. And that is how i look at it. It is a very distinct relationship. With any other country that decides and build technology aside and cablevision has been a part of that so somehow this applied differently. Where does the main area come from . So in india growing up, it is part of the u. S. In the early 90s. It is part of this area was not what is your background . Guest well, in what area . Host businesswise. Guest engineering and technology the channel changes, utilization, it is very useful for providing purposes. And this was acquired by microsoft in 2008 on the website talks about all the cities that you are in or coming to or going to where it is available. The plan and about 15 cities. Guest yes, 22 said they hoped to finish and that is about all. Host what about washington dc . Guest just come up i believe so. On the moment we focus on education and our goal is to educate people and show them what the capabilities and technologies are. And i think that it is a tremendously positive reaction that we get. And it really brings competition and choice into the marketplace, which is obviously important from the consumers perspective. It creates an alternative way of thinking about it. But how are we going to consume the content. Because you really start looking at what else happens, which is content production. There is an approach being developed whether youtube or netflix. There would be part of the future where i could go and say, this is what i have access to and all the of the Relevant Sports in terms of that nature. We have 300 a month and whether you like it or not, that is the only option you have, for instance. Host so if the courts find that this is a violation to proceed, surely others will get into the competition in this area. It will be considered to be part of this, taking broadcast signals in order to a obtain these transmission fees. Some have threatened to take their programming off the air so you dont have access to it. What is the future of the taliban Television Industry look like and it doesnt quite fit or where there is confusion or how to apply it. Guest again, this is an important point. I would really hope that this can be diligent in educating people. There is a distinction between broadcast, which is supposed to be free to you as a consumer. And other content. There is a huge distinction. This area is successful, the idea that Technology Allows you access, that is not going to change the industry of television what the evolution will look like at this point. And i think its a very naive perspective that if someone says Time Warner Cable can do this. You really have to step back to the reality of the situation. All Cable Companies are buying from consolidated media companies. So its not a single broadcaster. There are plenty of cable channels that go along with that. Our intention is that the ecosystem move towards individualized choice and youre really not going to see any proliferation of these kinds of technologies that people are talking about. So i think its a lot of empty hyperbole arguments and really there should be a distinction drawn between the source of the industry. To answer your question, i think that that is irrational and from a set of people who are not interested in innovation. But the reality is that many are using an antenna in some way. We pick up this, we shouldve already been part of the cable network. So how is it that people can do that and there is no harm and life is going great in many areas are going to mean that the reality there has been an agenda behind this historically and in fact this was part of the issue that was essentially part of the spirit of the problem is the intent of congress granting the right for people to use the technology and that needs to be protected. It is a desire to support competition and create competition and a desire to have choice. Guest how many plans are there, eight or 12. Host comest you get for what you pay 8 per month . Guest you get eight hours of programming and you can even watch it on any device that you need. Host so the local broadcast, how does that work . Guest it is when the string to the home market. Host were to the funding come from. Guest or venture was financed and it was a good way to describe it. Postman whos your competition today, is google possibly getting into tv and apple and sony . Etc. Is that your competition . Guest i think that remains how it is to be seen. It is not going to be a one dominant player, it is going to be a fraction at some point. It is the opposite of what it is today, highly integrated. It is definitely going to be dominated by people that provide interesting experiences it is like the way the system is set up today. It is out of control and we are seeing how this is changing and the median age used to be 21 years old. That is absolutely a kind that the market is evolving away from. It would be how these Consumers Want to create that ecosystem. Host in regards to monetizing and not a maniac, how does that work . Guest i cannot comment on the legal aspects of this. I dont think i have ever thought about the distinction. And they are technologically distinct. Host we have been talking with chet kanojia who is the founder of aereo communications. He has been our guest. Thank you, gentlemen. Guest thank you. Guest thank you very much. 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