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One month off to the parents. Death of those log in and either you have any promotion. We offer this and how the groups operations have changed and the Central African republic also on the show is done. Got them cheaper, destined to protect the realm of mine and spirit, the african superheroes you need to know about. We will hear the stories from the created, the hello. Im christine. Linda, its good to have your company. Also story begins in the north african countries and is the way before sees, have intensified and operations into safe migraines. We are planning to reach you by crossing Mediterranean Sea and as a national god save that as a risk of smugglers and stock more than 2000 people. It is coastal cities, most step and health back in the city of the specs to this. It has become a t launching pad and the crack down comes off to a Record Number of crossings to your ive just returned from a reporting trip in its any way the migrants are arriving. I spoke to some of them and soul for myself. What the situation on the ground has been i will be to have so migration policy expos onto this report that i filed from lump producer. Hello from the italian island of lump a do. So were in the middle of the mediterranean and north africa. Its just 300. 00 columbus is a way. And that is the reason why this is the 1st entry points for many migraines seeking to reach europe. In fact, that monument over there is called the door to europe, while migrant frequency pos through land produced. So authority is here, were forced to declare a state of emergency when thousands of people arrived on the island in just 24 hours. The migrants are coming from tennessee and they are arriving in small boats. Select the ones you see behind me made out of iron. And if you look of a day, youll see a group of people that have just landed on the island. Some of the migrants that ive spoken to have told me that theyve spent up to 2 days, etc. And theyve paid between 5800. 00 heroes for the trip. Its handled ortiz believe the reason for the influx is that bad weather conditions, the seas will rest and that had created the backlog in tennessee. And as soon as the weather improves smugglers st. Quotes out into the c 5 hundreds. This behind me is the only Migrant Reception Center on the island. It is built to accommodate 400. 00 people. But at the peak of the arrivals, there were about 7000 people behind this fence. Most of the migrants all from sub for an african countries. Ive made people from nigeria scenario that can be a guinea, ivory coast, kind of rude. Theyre mostly young men, but they are awesome women and children suit to spend more than see this is what say say it was irish. I certainly vs with this. Im go to it, bits of police because of stuff, but it looked envision a had to somebody off. I mean you have to walk. Oh, nice. Yeah. So do you want to make off . Im really proud when i make everything easier for them, for creating editors and all you guys just best idea. Oh yeah, im a product idea. These are hard for them. While theyre awesome refugees. Most of the people who has arrived, sales coming from countries that are considered safe, so they dont qualify for asylum. European government wants to make sure that those on to and, and get asylum. Ill send back to the countries that theyve come from as soon as possible. At least that is what the chief of the European Union said when she visited here. Those who cannot qualify for silent sign them cannot stay in the European Union. We will reach out to the countries of origin. To facilitate this process, we will decide who comes to the European Union and under what circumstances we must set up our efforts to fight this mattress. We have to join forces with the countries of origin and the countries of transit to crack down on this brutal business. But that personal business is thriving on demand poverty and insecurity on the rise in many parts of africa, rubbing people off prospects and leading them to seek security and renal policies in europe. And im now joined by o t along i needs a from the institute of security studies, p as in boy and analysts. The portfolio covers International Human rights role as well as the patient trends and policy. Welcome to dw, use africa, or tenure. Were seeing more and more people leave africa to reach year of by crossing them. Its raining, you money. So migration trends on the content. What have you observed about the volumes in which people are leaving and the faxes that are pushing them to do so. Its now just as a year of just finishing it Summer Season into a into autumn. We are seeing an increase in the number of people that are attempting to cross from africa to europe. You regularly. Theres a number of reasons why people are on the move. Most of them coming from countries out of west africa, across the ssl into the horn. And the primary motivation is really all the things that are pushing them out, include conflict, climate impacts or challenges in terms of governance. But moving towards europe in the hope perhaps to get a better life. But one of the main reasons that we find more and more peoples up to for the regular channels is that the regular legal channels to get to your are increasing the increasing the restrictive. So more and more people still wanting to move to your find themselves opting for very dangerous routes, right . As we have seen in recent days. But im sure as well continue to see 2 out of pocket ocean. Right. And i do want to pick up on that points initial appointment, but i want to begin by asking you about your strategy, which appears to be sensitive on stopping the flow of people. And that involves agreements with countries. Action is yet way we will see the European Union pay. Hundreds of millions of yours sits and is here in exchange for this and is in Government Holding people back incident as a you have been critical of that agreement. In particular. Can you tell us why i say its a cost be strategy, and its not a new strategy so which countries are now being involved . For example, in the african continent, the recent deals with 2 lives. Yet that may be part of the difference. But these are, this is a strategy rhonda that the European Union has been trying to get results from since at the very least 2014. So its over 9 years of the strategy to push back you regular migration. But what we know is that this is not actually reduce the numbers, but it just only made people take more dangerous routes. Oh, today i was recently in a lump of just the and some of the migraines that i met told me that its, its almost impossible to get a visa to come to europe and to the point that you were making 10 years. Well perhaps, how can you do best uh, uh, in the way of offering more legal pathways for people to migrate. This is inevitable people once to move and i think youve used to hit the nail right on the head. The people not really wants to move, but the people will move regardless of the restrictions. The question is which pos ways they will use based on what is available at the moment. Not only is that a financial cost, but its the, the, the, the, the scope of the requirements to get a visa, and im not talking just about a visitors visa into your, but perhaps of the work to study. I, a to stay is extremely, extremely high. This is not to say the people that are all crossing you regularly on not spending hundreds of dollars in order to do so. But then they have the assurance, so to speak, that they may reach the shows of your where is through the visa process using the to easier deal as an example. One of the tradeoffs so to speak was do i located just over a 1000 diseases annually . To, to this end, but what we know is in a, yeah, out of north africa to media has the highest number of people that seek to migrate to ones. Youre switching it about 40000 applicants. So 1300. 00 a visa is being provided. And we over 40000 want to move mean that the remaining at 39000 or so people will look at the channels. And unfortunately, that channel as weve seen and not would need those that actually make it across. But the many people that have lost their lives on that journey, the people will still wants to move at what cost right now its a human cost, not just a financial cost. I would say that when you listen to some governments in europe as they they, they, they say that the migration flows from africa are a challenge. They refer to this as a crisis. In fact, some of the visuals in the government and easily hold the reason to rivals on the island of num, a lot produce a war and europe, that kind of language is an exaggerates, its considering the actual numbers of migration from africa to europe and the fact that for the most part, migrants in africa, im more likely to migrate within the continent. Then they are to lead the content. It is so over 80 percent of people from africa migrate with in the african continent, choosing countries that are closest to them. So neighboring countries, the remaining percentage go elsewhere in the world of which europe is only one of those destinations. So when i hear some of the rich trick that seems to suggest a, whether its the language around waves of move, mental or on on here. If im not, if it is change with the fact that these are people coming from africa, the people that are moving from eastern europe, for example, towards a year, its been out of the african continent there, increasing the more people that are coming out of the middle eastern further in asia towards um, towards europe and africa. And so the question is, why is it only a crisis when its africans losing . And weve touched on some of the reasons project because of course, the barriers to entry legally. They put it in that way. The 2nd is perhaps the lack of interest fiction on the project here. And that is part of the current deals that are being negotiated, but not at the level that it could be. Which is that europe as an agent, confident in need, incidentally off a lot of workers, whether its on funds or whether its in other industries and simply not growing at the rate that would allow for rich to have that made the force. So perhaps what needs to be happening is the present magic conversation between here and africa, but looks at what all the needs of both continents, but also an honest reflection that looks at what all the drivers pushing people out. That requires accountability also on the african end, but also on your side as well. That actually reaches a better agreement, like i said, putting hundreds of many, even billions of euro and throwing it, and what is perceived as the problem. And not addressing some of the key drivers as to why people are moving in to 3, maybe even 10 years time. We will be having the same conversation about this issue. But if its not addressed properly, it may then be the prices and at prices that is either a reversible or to the amount that needs a from the institute of security studies. We really appreciate your insights on the program today. Thank you. Thank you very much. Youre watching data, the news africa still to come. The characters on display at west africa has largest comic art exhibition. But 1st, its been one month since the russian mercenary need that you have any promotion was reportedly killed in a plane crash in russia days before his death provision had been in the Central African republic where hes fog. No group is in charge of president forcing assurance to a deer as security. But since perversion stands, there is division in the country over fog in his presence dw is, is the quote to try to many reports from bunky say so i do have never met lo see. Yep. Guinea pig, eugene. Yet hes a pro maxima support. Im a strong believer in the groups presence here in the Central African republic di trays all of his friends, i think would be the big machine, a decent blacklist i do, in the heart of the copy to the one to show their respects to the head of the partner group, after he gets in on explicable plane crash and rush you off on the 23rd of august. And if, if i miss you, we are the like can measure the greatness or the added value of what the wagners have brought to the Central African republic. In previous years, we have had peacekeeping missions, didnt emissions that were sensitive the Central African republic to secure our borders. But what did this achieve in terms of results . Yeah. What have we seen make . What did we know that we have only known repeated cruise level. We must support russia so that we can never again speak of such a rebellion in the Central African republic. Grandma women sisters them in and well probably do demco who would be that would be the Central African republic has been in the midst of cities of cd was c is 2003 which left 3 quarters of the 33 on the Remote Control to be a submitted 1000. In fact im, i see nobodys a special needs and they sent a lot to come republic 1st came to the country in 2018 to help the government of president for the rock defeat riddle force east. Im few in a security vacuum left my funds up, but we do. Its military forces from the country in 2016. A lot of people in the Central African republic think the rack no group together. We did one on troops have done more to quail. The countries many rebellions inventive range and the u. N. Forces combined, while photo observe us accused the russian problem industry of committing atrocities. The majority of the cdns here, i think the success of these was the price your but while the back to that group has many support us in the country, it also has its openings. The Central African republic opens each on the lead to how much come home was the former Prime Minister in president company and some buttons as the Transitional Government is currently lead of the be a freak out. The quick opposition party, meaning the Central African republic for school. He sees the missing. Nobodys dont belong in the Central African republic and also in law. Uh, sandburg, canada only is it a group which does not come to help to develop and Foster Police in africa. This group is made up of people who came for self interest and benefits. And this was whether its the charter of the African Union or the charter of the United Nations deactivate the other band. They have come to the wrong cause and the wrong reason. He found it today, Central Africans are paying the price for their negative presence. Since the voc doesnt came in here on the dement exploring our timber, our minds, trade, etc. And for matthew have created unfair competition in terms of security. A country like c a r should instead rely on credible partners with beginnings debts. The question on many minds is whether the butler group will continue each corporations if the Central African republic, but this time on the criminal authority. And if so, what will happen to the country if the rush . So we drove the soldiers due to the pressure of the war in ukraine, and to talk more about this wave in vi. So john, national into the program, he is a genius and researcher who has worked in the Central African republic. Hes kind of erasing a book on dividing a group. Its due for publication next to a welcome to data being use africa. Its been almost a month since the head of the volume, the group, if any provision died. How has that impacted volume is, was in the Central African republic from thanks for having me. I think the short answer is it doesnt seem like there has been, there has been much of a visible impact on foreigners operations in the Central African republic. We saw the referendum go through uh, pretty much without a hitch in terms of the any opposition from the army, various our groups. We continue to see a wagner presence, especially in the capital as well. And some of the more prominent representatives of faulkner who, who were major figures under you can produce and continue to be in car and bang b as well. And so weve honestly just not seen any, any significant type of personnel changes or, or any real change to the status quad. Me and john, we know that brushes priority right now is the goal in ukraine. What does this mean for its presence in africa through the private admitted trees . Life devolved in a group tour. I think i or i think africa obviously is not going to be a priority like ukraine for it, for the kremlin. Certainly not any time soon. But at the same time, especially following versus full scale invasion of ukraine last year, i think the narrative that moscow is not to you or politically isolated in the narrative that russia is a layer in this new wave of the colonization has become increasingly important. And so to the extent to which russia and uh can, ill pull that narrative, especially in africa. It is important right now to a lot of folks in the kremlin its, its been suggested that the valves in a group could be a model for future Russian Foreign policy in africa. What are your thoughts on that . I think wagner has played such an interesting role in the sense that we have, we have to think about russia and the way that russia is governed in a lot of respects, like other countries, things, there are competing individuals and institutions who have either owned Foreign Policy priorities and specifically to russia, we see that theres often not a lot of guidance from the center, from platinum or putting himself in his gifts. Sort of outsized freedom to specific individuals to go out and pursue form policies that but uh they can frame as kind of a whole day or, or, or further in groceries interest. But also projects that are profitable to their own bottom line. Are you feeling pretty goshen involvement or what were at the forefront of that in africa . And i think in a lot of respects we can say that wagner was actually key in, in creating what branches, interest in africa were. We know that russia doesnt have a significant trade figures with the continent, or are they, you know, certainly not compared to the china, the you in the, in the united states. But they have successfully exported essentially this bmc model the security model. And so i think we will continue to see that in the future were rusher. Really focuses on places where it has an advantage. All right, thats john collection of thanks so much for sharing your insights. And we hope to bring you back on to the program when you books been published. Thank you so much. And now to nigeria with the largest comic us exhibition in west africa, is opening eyes and hearts to a new way of looking at super hear a c ws america. Acoya went to take a look the these adult super here is something fresh. We seems like a barbara would you call corey leasing, leasing or russia. These a spirit guardians, a new generation of african coming foot couches re defining stereotypes. Some to is one of the creators whose work is being shown in this hollow spirit exhibition. We realize that in every face that of a society, we africa, theres a spirituality to it and we wanted to own it in a put in a time where it was being demonized. And that was really important for us to take it off ours. Um, find our pride in its find our loving it and make it all home because it truly is so and thats really the core of us. So its adding some to and his team want to reintroduce african and his follow g to young nigerians by incurring his comic book story telling in african identity the what telling the story of the um connect most so to where i from which is will be 90. 00 and not being very much, i do single, i was looking all cultures. This always come from all our cultures and traditions, which is fruits fiction. Thats what weve done. The genera, people necessarily have as much representation in terms of comic arts in general. So this is an opportunity for us to showcase the tenants and the crafts and the creatives that are in the industry and also invite people to come and see the different possibilities that there is Something Different because ill be doing it for so like its cool. Somebody generally visa tested exhibition not only gets to see new all to a can talk about it. They also have the options to try out some sketching themselves. Some to does not draw or paint. He calls himself a creator because he develops characters and stories, but works we need me to is to create them. I discovered stumbled on animation by meeting a brilliant artist. And had a lot of stories that i wanted to tell, and i realize that that was a perfect way for me to tell them. Um and thats what i still do. Im. Im not an artist. I dont, jo, i doing 90 minutes. I dont a whole depends um, but i try my best to be the mind that tells the stories the pen can illustrate. These are these other people who use the pen. All bits electronic was the team creates animation, comics, and cartoons that focus on african style and culture. The exhibition is an important step in added as the construct guardians to the global tennessee. Im of comic book characters for adults. And the next generation of food is isnt it nice to have a sleepy here that you can relate to . Well, that is it for the program. And as always, there is more a website thats d, w dot com, forward slash effort can also ill social media accounts. Were always keen to hear from you about what do you think of the stories that we cover and perhaps the stories that you think we should be reporting on. Its 5 for now and ill see you next time the or the cost to with the female store of the c t boned, a donkey, darlene long term hmo here. See no fear. No limit, no mercy. 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