Is albany corte Prime Minister of casa. I agree that we do not have too much time and we live in times of not does danger, but also unpredictability. So therefore, im not sure that we even have 2 years with the court. He claims his country is the democratic Success Story of the west. Balkans, but what about the corruption discrimination and harassment of journalists and more than 20 years after the conflict in kosovo . Why are a 1000 war crimes case is still pending runners the album . Courtney welcome to conflict on the were having me 2 months after moscows invasion of ukraine. You posted on facebook that peace and security in the western balkans have never been more threatened. What made you say that 1st of all, serbia was historically client regime of kremlin and with the unjustified russian invasion and military aggression ukraine. We have seen this by the increasing popularity and admiration in serbia by despotic president , put him. Secondly, serbia has been investing in its military equipment by getting new argument from our bellows, from Russian Federation and from china, including joint military activities, namely out of 91 which were planned last year. They have exercises 104. 00, so they have exceeded their plan of military cooperation in joint military activities with Russian Federation. And they have 48. 00 forward opperation bases around board of 28. 00 of them being military and 20 of those of gender ameria crime was the Prime Minister that they intended to use them. And in any case, you have 3 nato countries on your border, and the natal peacekeeping force on your territory. So what is exactly the threat that youve been talking about . Well, i never said that you have a face, but i always said that it is, it is possible to consider that they might not attack. And we should be very careful and vigilant. Because number one sort of does not recognize the republic of course, over the independent country and therefore does not recognize our borders. Secondly, they do not acknowledge crimes committed in the past. And they never distance themselves from that from las vegas, which means natal intervene in spring 1999 to serbian genocide in kosovo. And the 3rd league they keep ever close military, economic and cultural links with kremlin. Therefore we cannot excludes their readiness and even willingness to attack kosovar in the future. But me to see you say that, but in august the Diplomatic Service of the e. You warned both you and serbia not to raise the temperature with your rhetoric, saying the recent increase in inflammatory rhetoric in particular the statements about war and conflict. And the western vulcans are of great concern. And it also called on you to stop the dangerous statements and act responsibly. Do you recognize that your words were irresponsible . Of course not. I was just pointing at the facts. For example, Energy Sector in serbia is dominated by gospel which phones 56 percent of fear in gas in the 3 oil industry are serbia, likewise and gas from all of the majority of shares in the largest a gas storage install from Eastern Europe in the morning we were the night in serbia. Then the regional days of sputnik openly is in belgrade in nice, which is 100 miles far away from enough. They have the so called Russian Humanitarian Center with dozens of spies and agents in it. And the time and again, they say that it is not the 1st 5 of the law in 1099. 00, meaning that they will plan to return it at some point when the window of opportunity will be convenient for them. So i just point out to the places until the facts on the ground. So it is not only about software extensions, its about the hardware extensions. And that has to do very much with serbia getting equipped from for the nation. They have 14 make 298 or donation from bellows, and 6 are from Russian Federation. And they also have received recently after adoption. Envision a huge grin of very sophisticated defense system, so called different from the peoples republic of china and no sign problem or that they intended to use any of this. Youve joined the sanctions against russia, which is helpful to the west and appreciate it in western capitals, whats far less appreciated is that both you and serbia continue to argue and sniper to each other, to the point where nato actually had to threaten to intervene. Youre the general secretary started back said should stability be jeopardized. K for stands ready to intervene and will take any measures that are necessary to ensure a safe and secure environment to accept that all this is actually gone too far. We are independent country and we have to exercise law in every square kilometer or a fall territory, including the northern part where some illegal tunnel structures of serbia are active. Therefore, we would not intervening in serbia, certainly it was trying to destabilize console in the 31st of july of this year. They have erected 13 barricade with certain combat readiness of where people that they keep in their payroll since 1999. An armed people in order to not allow freedom of movement and it looks law in console. Yes. For this much because of a route of id cards and number plates, which your government provoked while a major war is being fought in the middle of europe. Couldnt this route have weighted the Foreign Policy chief us at barrow was pretty fed up with your timing. With a war raging, he said now was a moment to seek peace and stability. Not long standing differences do not see his point. Be jeopardized by illegal structures of sort of food with people what also blacklisted by us treasury in addition to having arrest warrant by our police. So these people are arresting, decent stability and cars. So why is way more democratic that sort of. Yeah. And i must say also way more independent country has been sort of yeah, because we are in the line of camden. So putting my government and delegate in the same sentence is not fair. Well, well come on to your democracy in a moment. But if you look at this from the west perspective, the war in kosovo has been over for more than 20 years. And yet you still need an International Peacekeeping force of several 1000 troops in your country. Do you seriously think that i the nato, or the you would sanction your membership while your country still requires that force on standby in your territory . Oh, we need nato precisely because of serbia. And precisely because having such close and wide range of links with that option. Federation. Nonetheless, i have increased by 52 percent of budget for our defense Coastal Security force and ministry of defense. And we look forward to fulfill the 2 percent criteria natal. We want to join nato. Meanwhile, we have natal with goes over and the 1st milestone door membership into natal should be partnership for Peace Program because is a pro western pro democratic. We have no tentative, but natal and you and this should be if you wanted mr. Kirsty, the fact is that the e u is running out of patience with your feud. When serbia youve been given a deadline of may 2024 for sorting out your differences and normalizing relations. Do you accept the chances of you joining the e u r. Now fading, unless you can meet the deadline. Of course, always a normal democratic sovereign country, serbia is not a normal country, even according to freedom house. They have hybrid, which is a euphemism for, ill talk and say. And i must admit, acknowledge that the relations between cross or what instead of we are not moral, we need to normalize them. And die looking process is the way for what this dialogue with must be concluded with legally binding agreement, which has as a chunk of mutual recognition. We cannot have a sustainable and just agreement without neutral recognition as the from the piece. But do you accept that window of opportunity which the you envoy mirrors like chat, talked about, will close in less than 2 years. Meaning that by then by may 2024. The subject of your membership will be off the table unless a Binding Legal agreement on normalization has been reach. You take that warning seriously. I agree that we do not have too much time and we live in time. So if not to the danger, but also predictability. Therefore, im not sure that we even have to use, we should do it as soon as possible. And the to this, and im ready to be engaged creatively and constructively, in these talks in process whenever they invite us. You say that but to both you and serbia blame each other for the poor state of relations. But your government could have done more to improve the situation, couldnt it . Well, we always can do more. But our government is the most successful one since we live in dependence in terms of social climbing development and quote, democracy. We are not that big country, but we are a great example of what Economy Development and democracy go hand demand, which is very important for the struggle regarding narrative in this century. Namely, there are some autocratic superpowers and powers who want to show that Economic Development does not need democracy. We are showing that democracy and economy must go together, that it can be no democracy without human rights and develop pluralism. And so a lot, even though not a big country is a great example of this. Well, talking of democracy earlier this year, the, you and the i see were very disappointed that you walked back a previous practice that would have allowed the o. S. C, e to arrange for cost of our subs to vote in serbian elections that caused some anger among the emissions, including the u. K. And the us. So my question to you is, was it worth it . The u. S. Mission, to the se, said in april, we had hoped costs of would facilitate eligible costs of citizens participation in the sub, in elections via polling stations in cost of as it had in the past. We are disappointed. A pragmatic solution could not be found. Its your fault, but there was no pragmatic solution, isnt it . Election single, so organized by 30 are not acceptable because because so a lot of suitably i can get them in the past. You accepted as many things in the past or not. Right. And now it is much better because we are establishing the process, the principal sort of cannot do something to go so a lot if they are not ready to enjoy and practice if they are on hold for a few projects that we are applying is not the means of retaliation, but it comes as a ration from the concept of equality. So if you process the means equality, were not again sort of, but we cannot allow anymore sort of be up to pretend that they can the civilized sober, and that they can control console law by many late in the an instrumental ising service. Of course, all the who are our citizens, but if you keep going back on agreements that were in place, it has to put in doubt how, how genuine your design is to normalize relations with serbia. I mean, i asked this question because your history doesnt suggest that you know, that keen on doing it in january 2018. You were convicted of throwing care gas in parliament 3 years earlier. At that time, you are actually protesting of measures, specifically designed to normalize those relations. Do you regret what you did in 2015 or would you do it again . I was all my life of political and social activity to engage in direct action. But whenever i seen that i was radical, that was due to the topic, not due to my character. So it was never right because my character, but sometimes there were some extreme topics who wanted to really all or know, statehood and independence. And then i did that, collections in now those cases for zinc community of sort of majority municipalities because precisely in early nineties sort of it was doing this in bosnia and herzegovina. And that is the very history of a player which is undermining that. He told him integrity and sort of the of bosnia and herzegovina. We are not going to allow both musician performer and precisely, this conviction made me look as a radical opposition politician, an actress. Prime minister in may, you went to washington and you declared, as you said a moment ago, that cost of i was the most democratic Success Story of the region. But the fact is that both washington and the you still have serious concerns about your own democratic credentials. Human rights, corruption, discrimination against minorities as well as lack of justice for war. Criminals in cost of have you over sold your achievements to the international community. Oh, we did good, huge progress, but we are still far from what we aimed at. Of course, all of our progress by 17 places in its fight against coral and parents, International Corruption Perception Index around 17 places afford for good. And then we rose another 17 places when it comes to World Press Freedom index reporters with our borders and co. So what is number one in the balkans regarding the rule of law . Number 16, the world, but one 3rd of thinks all around the world. Only crossover from the western vulcans is that we have been conducting over 800 Police Operations in combat in organized crime. And high level corruption over 2200 people have been arrested and around 300 of them are public or state officials. So we are doing very well in fighting corruption and corruption in kosovo, if there is still some where it is to do with systemic reasons, but it is not what the culture of population. Thats why we are going to advocate it. And this makes us so to be members pharmacy, you highlighted the cost of our improved its ranking on the Corruption Perception index. But this year, state Department Report was scathing about the levels of corruption and lack of transparency and government. Would you not accept that you have a very long way to go before the you will trust you with membership and trust that its money will not fall into corrupt hands . The state Department Report admit that youll notice that provides criminal penalties for corrupt officials. But it accuses your government of not implementing the law effectively. Thats fair comment, isnt it . We do as best as we can and know, and you and us know very well that our government is the most pro democratic and pro western. Since we declared independence, we are engaged in vetting process because we need to render active of prosecution and efficient all the judiciary. Thats why a vesting package has been handled to the parliament of the civil by my government. So we increased both moral and professional integrity of our judges and prosecutors, and that we will see incredible results, which will be an example to not only our region last year, the Anti Corruption agency and the National Audit office filed 9 corruption related indictments just 9 are you proud of that . How long is it going to take you to make any meaningful inroads into the corruption among corrupt officials who know how to play your system very well done . They well, they havent done that so far, but so i must say that now with the office for confiscation of inexplicably obtained growth and illegally obtained 12. We are going to move forward as fast. Again, we need the help of you in order to do this vetting process as soon as possible. And finally, just this inc or so. Ready to a be a normal think are all the vent luxury items. Therefore im optimistic about this. But again, it has to do with changes which has to happen in the state structure and which are not linked with the democratic elections where we reached landslide victory in february, last year you mentioned the press earlier. Another big problem is all media landscape in kosovo. You dont have state censorship as such, but intimidation and harrison of journalists are widespread. What are you doing to counteract that are onto bothered by it . Well, according to World Freedom index, we rose by 17 places, according to reporters, without borders estimation. They were doing much better than in the past, but i think now that the media are much more endangered from mom, different businesses and then from state institutions. So our government is an instance of power which wants to help the media, where it is the financing of, of different online media, which is of a much greater pressure on them and is risking of freedom of the press. You, you say that, but by the end of last year, the association of john list of costs of reported 26 instances of government officials, business in Chef Community groups violating press freedom by physically assaulting or virtually threatening journalists. Did you even know about this . Well, i know that there are examples and they are being made public, but there is no example of pressure on the media or intimidation which does not come out publicly. Now. Whereas in the past, you have cases when intimidation was not even know. However, the number of intimidation and pressure in the media is decreasing and goes all Prime Minister. Lets talk about the issue of war crimes. Theres a long way to go to bring justice for war crimes committed in cost of in the late ninetys. Have you lost interest in pursuing justice for the victims and their families . Of course not of vetting process of the prosecution must bring better prosecutors and larger number of those who are going to pursue war crimes. Crimes cases that are pending according to the head of the war. Crimes department at the cost of a special prosecution, a 1000. 00 war crimes pending. Thats a shocking statistic. After all this time. Isnt it yet . And its 23 years since the end of the war and they should have done better and more. And thats why im saying that our prosecutors were generally passive. You know, sometimes corruption comes out of passivity, not necessarily by wrong doing. And we have to have more prosecutors and better prosecutors. 10000 unarmed civilians have been killed. 20000 women and girls have been rate 120000 houses have been destroyed. And still we do have over 1600 missing persons. So that is enormous amount of war crimes that have not been addressed and for which the victims and families of justice has not been. And a lot of the problem has been witness intimidation by people who hence the fact that you had to set up the cost of a specialist chambers in the hague to get rid of this or to counteract the effect of this witness intimidation. You have a problem with the Court Operating in the hike. In 2019 you said you didnt support this court. I did not vote for managing our constitution. So in this special court, i believe that we need normal course not special corpse. And this court has one leg in crossover, the other like in have in limits and it cannot be priced for its transparency. I must say we caught the cost of a one doing the job with a well you had a former prosecutor at the International Criminal tribunal color del ponte. A saying witnesses in cost of i was so afraid and intimidated that they even feared to talk about the cost of Liberation Army presents in some areas. Those willing to testify had to be transferred to other countries with the entire families. What choice was that . But to take the court to the hague, what choice specialists chambers in the netherlands, they deal only with consumer Liberation Army and which is not fair. On different handle, the former chief prosecutor, madame cutler, the de wrote, was angry book out of not being successful as ip. Why have you . So i think that there has not been an equality of arms in treatment of war crimes in crossover. Can you imagine that for 150000 non serbs which have been killed all over us law the increase of all control what you have not even can handle the services being tried and convicted. So i think that in the name of peace, they have been pressuring more of the weaker side. But why is getting stronger now . And i think that we will not forget these crimes were committed to sober and we do not want to absolve any criminal. In spite of their ethnicity or sizes, which were dick. But i must say that in the case of the thought, the justice for albanians who you are sort of in genocide is far from being them. All right, well these arguments will go on and this is a subject obviously that does a lot of emotion. Prime minister cutty, thank you so much for being on conflicts own. Thank you. Lou. Lou with who one of main kinds of oldest ambition could be within reach or what is it really is possible to reverse aging researchers and scientists all over the world are in a race against time. More life o d w. Its a difficult time for it to leads Rainbow Family for monica, and maria, ga maloneys election. Victory is a nightmare. They feel hostility against the l g. 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