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Between until recently close allies ukraine and in poland this week, the un jumpers reached a qualitatively new level. President zelenskyi duda exchanged sharp remarks that stirred up social networks, so what started as an unfriendly embargo on imports from the Ukrainian Border grew into a real quarrel between the president s, and the day before, the Prime Minister of poland mateo shnurowetskyi joined the quarrel he stated that poland will no longer transfer weapons to ukraine. And although since the beginning of the fullscale invasion, the polish government has already transferred hundreds of Armored Vehicles and fighter jets to ukraine of the soviet model, such a statement by the Prime Minister further inflamed passions, grain, Upcoming Elections in poland and twisted words of politics, this is how i explain the reasons for the deterioration of ukraines relations with poland, correspondent bbcadamiston , he will tell in more detail how misunderstandings followed one after another, why some mistakenly thought that poland would not give more weapons to ukraine. It was because of this quarrel that it all started with the fear of the import of ukrainian grain in recent months, although for the past few months it was an embargo cheaper than polish grain and began to compete with it on the market because the peasants could not profitably sell their own polish grain and this is important because the government is counting on the votes of the peasants in the general elections next month and wants to protect the interests of polish farmers, that is why the government continued this import ban of ukrainian grain, of course, ukrainian grain can still transit through poland if it goes to other markets. Remember here there was a certain understanding about the comments of the Prime Minister. He said that the supply of weapons will no longer be true. Because poland has already sent all the weapons that a sovietera tank could, more than 320 vehicles, 14 fighter jets, she has already sent them to ukraine and she has nothing more to give. This is about a third of the military potential of poland. What is happening now, she is replacing these stocks with modern westernmade tanks and other military however, it cannot be said that poland has changed its position and will no longer provide weapons to ukraine in the future. In fact, even now, polish weapons manufacturers are fulfilling contracts for about 60 selfpropelled crab howitzers for this deterioration of relations with ukraine should be considered in the light of the Upcoming Elections, as well as the fact that relations have deteriorated significantly due to this grain embargo, and when president zelensky hinted at the Un General Assembly that this grain embargo is in favor of russia, it really caused some indignation in warsaw among polish officials. I think however, regarding military supplies, the Prime Minister noted that the hub in zashkow in the southeast of poland, which is close to the Ukrainian Border, is a hub for military and humanitarian aid is heading through poland, will continue to act and will not pay any attention to it poland is interested in the military defense of ukraine against russia, that is why the polish authorities have repeatedly repeated this and officials spoke about it last night, this is the goal of Poland Ukraine seeks to find other ways to sell grain, as the bbc correspondent jameswater house assures , kyiv still seeks to come to an understanding with warsaw because such a crisis between the closest neighbors was obviously not expected by any of the history even just the thought that poland can reduce the supply of lethal aid is a serious challenge for ukraine, however, a more conciliatory position is heard here in response , lets say they told us that the ministers of agriculture agreed on the licensing system for Agricultural Products with slovakia and this is another country that bans ukrainian imports where we hope ukraine will be able to supply grain again, this creates a precedent. If you look at some of the statements that are being made, you get the impression that poland and ukraine are trying to come to an understanding on this, but they should not do not underestimate how unexpected all this is, considering that poland was one of the most loyal allies of supporters of ukraine after the fullscale invasion, these are neighboring countries with deep historical ties, not least in the way they interact with russian influence, they have a common history , so it is unexpected to see this diplomatic discord and it seems that politicians cannot do without politicians who are obviously heating up everything , they will conclude such an agreement according to the words of one opposition deputy here in kyiv, lets lets wait until the end of the war before quarreling with poland. I think this reflects the mood among commentators who ask whether kyiv should get involved in such a fight now. The governing polish party of the rightwing justice plays on the mood of a part of the voters who do not support aid to ukraine and thus wants to earn additional money for themselves. Points in the Upcoming Elections, this is how the professor of Political Science at the university of california in stevenage explains the situation. In fact, the ruling party law and justice has a very large circle of voters among farmers in small towns and Rural Regions in general, but on the other hand, it is not entirely clear how smart a move this is on the part of the rightwing Justice Party in the sense that it reveals their maps in a certain way, we should not forget that this party in poland has been in power since 2015 , it has distanced poland from democracy and brought it closer to putins model , of course not in the way that putin did, but in fact this party in its ideology is somewhat close to putins in comparison with ordinary european liberalism. This fact was not obvious during the last year and a half because the poles helped the ukrainians very much, poland accepted 8 million ukrainian refugees, of which a Million People are there, if Great Britain accepted 16 million refugees proportionally, this is the same as what poland did, so the poles also accepted ukrainian refugees extremely densely, but now the Rightwing Party actually puts very small political interests are higher than the security interests of poland itself, because ukraine is now also protecting polish security look at putins maps of the russian empire krakow and warsaw are part of russia, so the ukrainians really help the poles, just as they help them, and it is a shame to see that the government in the form of a rightwing Justice Party, which is essentially illiberal, actually gets involved in this kind of business at the very beginning, and almost 100 of the population or close to that really gave themselves away in the homes of ukrainian refugees, of course , this number decreased over time. But still , about ten percent of poles clearly support ukraine in any available way, but the rightwing Justice Party plays on the sentiments of the minority among the voters, part of the farmers are less educated people who are against this aid to ukraine, but all this is not too smart from a political point of view, the question is whether polish liberals will be able to take advantage of the situation, because the liberal civil platform led by donald tusk is the main alternative of the rightwing Justice Party, and the elections are just a few days away weeks and contact us daniel sheligovsky, coordinator of the Eastern Europe program of the polish institute of International Relations i congratulate you on how serious this public quarrel between ukraine and in poland, is it possible to talk about the crisis in relations, this is how it looks from warsaw. I congratulate everyone, i want to say that this time it seems to me that this is exactly the case and the defense situation is definitely serious , but i do not want to say that this is free for politics, it is 100 with confidence, that is, as he said that at the moment when president zelenskyi came from the un podium, the travel announcements sounded like they were from the polish dill or from the ukrainian, because they still remained because within the framework of aa type of partnership supere performance was not the un at the beginning and so that the poles, as it were, their interests coincide with russian interests against ukraine for the polish political community, there is a complete consensus here that this has already crossed the line of this partnerpartner dispute. Here i am willing to say one hundred percent that, unfortunately, ukraine will have to pay a political price for this. It will be very difficult now, but the polish government still says that it will support ukraine, especially in matters of defense. For example, polish society, it is very important to watch the words from the very beginning, the khod government leads a parallel in four ah, well, these parallel policies are, so to speak , neither side in the strategic plan. I am sure that nothing has changed here even after the parliamentary elections. Strategically , there is a consensus in the polish political community, on the other hand, there is a kind of parallel track, so to speak, which is the protection of polish of the internal market , and what is the essence of the internal market . And she refused to do that. This is exactly the result. It was necessary to intervene in the market , and the polish government did it. He warned the European Commission of the consequences, and the negative ones were pressed. Well, here is already a question from the European Commission. How did he say that . But i heard again emphasize in the strategic plan, support aa and above all military military support from poland for ukraine, it remains so today aa a situation appeared where the western snake often twisted the words of Prime Minister moravetsky, but to what extent will poland supply a weapons for ukraine are three very uh very well three key things that need to be reminded here now first of all sent weapons and ukraine from the very beginning full of a largescale russian invasion even when other western countries did you think in general, there is a need for something, so they charged someone to the wall and didnt hmm, have you thought about whether you should send ukraine or ukraine is able to defend itself, because from the very beginning i believed in ukraine from pranks, they saw when ukraine defended kyiv and the polish and howitzers were crabs and they helped e e counteroffensive near kharkiv near kherson, i. E. Poland has long sent what it had, and the second and the second important point is here for a moment, i. E. Poland is not just true that in the future, poland in the military plan has sent its best now armament of promises and tanki 2, which will be the modernization of postsoviet er postsoviet tanks, this is the best armament that was in poland, we didnt just send what we had lying somewhere on the aa side and can be sent to ukraine for free. We sent to ukraine the best samples of weapons and three it should always be remembered that in addition to supporting er ukraine er, poland remains committed to protecting the baltic countries at any moment if the situation arises, i. E. These er these obligations yazan square in relation to the baltic region i in general, no one has canceled their obligations within the framework of nato, there has always been some minimum state of armaments in poland. Well, here all three important points must be kept in mind at all times. Of course, the first thing is everything. Remember about this parallel project, strategic assistance in ukraine does not mean that since you are fighting hard to protect your own internal market, here i am arguing between one and the other er, in general, because the second is better, er, after all, all the disputes, but to go in a bilateral plane, not, well, it is not necessary to raise them to the rostrum of aries, and to say to the triangle, to say today is not enough , it is already long ago. 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If it rolled back to lviv, it is very possible that this place would work again as a prison, as a place for the destruction of dissenters. Who knows where i would be, where you would be, but now it is a museum at the cost of the lives of our soldiers, the cost of destruction, the price that is paid the whole ukraine is a museum and may it remain a museum forever. Join the community with a ukrainian view of the world. Become a sponsor of the espresso youtube channel. And this is access to exclusive content. September Vitaly Portnikov and the main topics of the week if god forbid a truly Tactical Nuclear weapon is used against ukraine, it will definitely change the world of history, problems, analysis and personalities , we are waiting for john gerbs, the former ambassador to the United States in ukraine. Of ukrainians, victory and loss, analysis and forecasts , politics and geopolitics , Serhii Rudenko and the guests of his program will talk about all this, people who have information and shape public opinion, people who defend ukraine and create the future is already the main and interesting thing in the program verdict by Serhiy Rudenko from monday to friday at 20 00 repeat at 12 10 my greetings you are watching svoboda life my name is Daria Kudimova and more about the main thing as of the evening of thursday, september 21, success according to jesus of bakhmut and the melitopol directions and the concentration of Russian Troops in the lymanokupian area, what is happening on the front of the russianukrainian war and what will happen to the logistics of the occupiers due to the loss of the railway near bakhmut. And also about the explosions at the airfields in the occupied crimea and why more and more young crimeans want to receive ukrainian passports zelensky and bidens talks and the meeting of the ukrainian president with American Government officials and what the ukrainian guarantor will return from the states to kyiv with and what are the risks that the congress will not reach an agreement on a new package of military aid to ukraine took place in the azerbaijani city of vlach negotiations between the armenian delegation of nagornokarabakh and the representatives of the azerbaijani authorities, what was discussed, what was agreed upon, and what will happen next with the unrecognized republic, as well as what to expect from relations between moscow and yerevan in the future and whether these events in the south caucasus will affect the russianukrainian war killed and Dozens Injured russia has once again launched a massive missile attack on ukraine five regions were targeted in the air force report on 36 of the neutralized missiles from the 43 launched by russia and add that the Russian Federation attacked with tu 95 strategic aircraft launched from the area west of engels , Energy Facilities in the central and western regions were damaged and destroyed, and this is the first time in the last six months, they add ukrenergo currently knows about ten wounded people in cherkasy, fragments of a Russian Rocket fell on a hotel and a local market in cherkasy , our correspondent roksolana bochai is currently in cherkasy. And in general, is the rescue operation still ongoing, the rescue operation is still ongoing , we can see the Central Hotel next to me , which was hit by the fragments of the rocket, in particular , it was this part of the rocket that carried explosives, that is why the scale of the explosion actually we can now observe the rescuers continuing their work, as of this minute, we already know about the number of injured persons as a result of this attack by the Russian Federation , in particular, about cherkasy, about what happened here, and we can listen in more detail about what is known about todays the attack is about the explosions here in this place from me, the city of anatoliy bondarenko, we can listen further to the object of public infrastructure, you see in fact, this is the central market, there is no military here the object of any military structure and thanking god that it was all until six in the morning because at seven oclock there are hundreds and thousands of people who come to buy groceries come to buy things of basic necessity and you see that today we are dealing with the liquidation of the consequences of the arrival, the utility works the equipment is working, the equipment of the state Emergency Service, uh, now , according to uh, according to the legislation, a permanent headquarters is working here until we finish, until no one leaves, this is the fallen warhead of the missile. This is the Central Hotel. Yes, this is just a hotel where peaceful people lived, as soon as the rescuers were allowed to enter the territory of the place where the explosion took place, the people around here began to dismantle their stalls on the market , which were actually destroyed, they began to dismantle the rubble in their apartments, namely the windows that were broken and even part of it was covered with film so that if it rains, it didnt actually flood the apartment, so moisture didnt get in. Well, i managed to talk to people who live nearby and heard and saw everything with my own eyes today at dawn i offer to listen to these people live in the morning they didnt let me in somewhere oo in the first hour of the day they let in completely destroyed and well, probably 50 of the goods woke up in the morning from an explosion with a small child sleeping well, i just woke up in bed just from the sounds of the glass already cracking flew out grabbed the child flew out i stood in the corridor with my husband and stood waiting until everything was over. Well, i was in the apartment sleeping when it all thundered. Thank god that i was sleeping in the bedroom with a partition, and the partition under the partition fell and collapsed into the hall. Not on me, yes, well, i bought a bag, i had some things prepared there, well, i jumped out into the street and ran to the side of the tobacconist, there is already a bamboo shelter there. Well , i went there, the guys washed me a little. Hall and bedroom from the gym a little bit of what i have i had a shock now im coming to my senses a little here i slept on these clothes here i slept and a curtain but it all fell there on that couch yes well now they are helping me show the refrigerator where the shrapnel hit, the rocket is on its way out, it took off, well, the police have already taken these pieces away from us. Well, as of now, we know of seven hospitalized people, two of them underwent surgery and are now in intensive care in a serious condition. We were informed about this at the city hospital. Where exactly er, they are treating these people, providing them with medical assistance, it is also known that the state Emergency Service evacuated 13 people from the site of the explosion today, 1111 of them were injured and sought medical assistance, and we know that the investigation of the debris will continue all night the spokeswoman of the state Emergency Service literally informed us about this before the broadcast. She said that they did not have time to dismantle the rubble as planned by the end of the day, and therefore they will continue to do so. I will remind you about the dead. It is not known at the moment , but it is about the fact that there may still be people under the rubble. Dasha. Thank you roksolana. My colleague roksolana buchaye was in direct contact with us from cherkasy and with the details of the morning shelling of the city. Well, about the consequences of the russian attack on other regions of ukraine, further on in the material of my colleague olga armenianshina , on the morning of september 21, russia carried out another mass attack on ukraine in the capital, an explosion was heard in udarnytskyis shevchenkivskyi holosiivskyi and sviatoshynskyi districts, in the village , friends huddled together sitting on the floor, and here it was его россии as they say , thats not enough for emu malo, чtо ему мало чtо ему надо, as reported by the mayor of kyiv, vitaliy klitschko, in the shevchenkivskyi district , due to falling debris, a gas pipe was damaged and the windows of the doctors dormitory were broken. They hospitalized a girl with an acute reaction to stress, they move a little further to stand behind two walls and here they hear so and so and hear how well , even it was even visible in the list , falling bricks came out, it rained once again from the door and everyone went down sharply sharply because once again it was scary for in the words of klitschko, in the holosiiv district, except for the damaged windows , there is no destruction, but in the sviatoshyn district after the attack, there were Power Outages in the darnytskyi district, the debris fell on the territory of the infrastructure object of the hundred and one hostel seven people were injured. I am lying in glass in cherkasy during the repulse of a Russian Missile attack. Debris fell on a hotel in the city center and on the market. As of 3 p. M. , 11 people were injured in rivne. Energy and civil infrastructure were hit. This was reported by the head of rivne ova part rivne district was left without electricity. People behind me were not injured. A hundred cars were partially destroyed and damaged. Fortunately, there were no casualties in drohobych, which in lviv oblast had two hits per an industrial facility, one rocket hit a private twostory warehouse at the time of the rocket attack, fortunately, the workers were at the enterprise , there is no information about the dead or injured, also, the russian army fired six rockets at kharkiv , a civil infrastructure object was hit by fire, two people were injured, small, small the shop suffered. The ceilings collapsed. Ok, they blew out the frames. It was practically possible for two years. In a year and a half, dear god, everything was normal. And today, meanwhile, in kherson