and then -- >> look, sandra, i'm sorry. you do not have an argument that says the global pandemic would have happened, would have shut supply chains down across the globe, and inflation would have gone up. if you want to make a coherent argument, we can talk about the magnitude of inflation and the role that public policy played, and i'd be happy to have that argument. >> sandra: definitely talk about the magnitude of it. let me finish with my question. bidenomics. is this still something that the biden campaign will champion, or is his messaging being dropped? these are recent headlines in axios', has democrats either ditching bidenomics, "usa today," president biden scraps bidenomics after slogan falls flat. the new yorker, it's a bust. do you champion that message? >> sandra, let me speak to you quickly about that. but to me that is just kind of a rhetorical saying. when we are out here trying to help working families get ahead, i think we have a jobs report
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