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What this guy get to get away with doing a chokehold that police cant even do . Video of the incident quickly went viral and chaos erupted under New York City streets, bringing one of the Worlds Largest Public Transit systems to a crawl. They demanded justice despite the facts on May 11th Alvin Bragg announced he was filing criminal charges against penny without ever consulting a grand jury. Daniel penny turned himself in at the courthouse. House at 8 a. M. The next day, where he was charged with one count of Second Degree manslaughter. So should daniel penny be charged with manslaughter . Absolutely now for the First Time Since that fateful day on the subway, daniel penny is breaking his silence. Fox news is nate boyer has the latest. Judge good evening, daniel penny, making his first public remarks about the death of jordan neely to the New York Post penny saying , quote. Im deeply saddened by the loss of life. Its tragic. What happened to him. Hopefully we can change the system thats so desperately failed us in response to accusations that his actions were motivated by race, penny tells the post quote. This had nothing to do with race. I judge a person based on their character. Im not a white supremacist. He added quote. Its a little bit comical. Everybody whos ever met me can tell you i love all people. I love all cultures. You can tell by my past and all my travels and adventures around the world. I was actually planning a road trip through africa before this happened now when asked if he would take similar action again. In a similar situation, penny showed no regrets, saying quote. I live in authentic and genuine life, and i would if there was a threat and danger in the present. When asked if he feels any shame about the confrontation on the subway, penny said. Quote. I dont i mean, i always do what i think is right. And in response to media backlash, she said, quote if youre faced with all these challenges, you have to remain calm. Whats the point of worrying about something worrying is not going to make your problems disappear. I attribute this to my father and grandfather. They are very, very stoic. And when reflecting on his military service, he said, quote growing up in the wake of 9 11 and the terrorist attacks in a community full of firemen, First Responders, police officers. It was like i needed to serve my community in some way. I loved leading marines and i love being around marines. I love helping people pennies case could be presented to a grand jury as early as tomorrow. When the next court term begins. He faces up to 15 years in prison if convicted. Judge back to you. There was a time in our history when americans decisively settled criminal matters themselves. Frontier justice was meted out by one skin. Women and children were dependent upon fathers, husbands and brothers to protect them. But we have rejected Vigilante Justice in civilized societies in exchange for our agreement, not to take the law into our own hands. The government promises to protect its citizens and punish criminals. This is the Social Contract we have forged. But what happens when the Social Contract and the government failed to protect us . As a result of the defund the Police Movement americans, especially those in big cities are seeing fewer cops and experiencing longer 911 wait times the consequences have created a new danger zone for americans. What happens when danger arises, and theres no one to protect you. When the Social Contract fails. What happens when someone decides to intervene to help others and takes on the job of the government . It was on a New York City underground moving subway car that this question became a reality. The danger was real. By all accounts, the homeless man said he was ready to die and ready to kill. Who would protect the riders in that closed underground subway car. It was a 24 year old marine veteran who took that risk by taking on the job of a Good Samaritan. A Good Samaritan willing to fight not for himself, but for others. The people on that Subway Car Have thanked him and called him a hero. The District Attorney, however, is charged him with manslaughter. Americans have always had the right to defend themselves and others. The issue is at what point and how far does this prosecution undermined the time honored legally recognized right of self defense within that Social Contract . Tonight we will examine the sad case of a homeless schizophrenic, a man admittedly mentally ill, apparently in the midst of a psychotic episode who was given no help. Within that broken Social Contract, but instead placed on a short list of those mentally ill homeless and in need. This week, i sat down for an exclusive interview with the attorney of the Good Samaritan, daniel penny, who made the call to protect others. Joining me now is pennies. Attorney Steve Raiser Of Razor and conniff. Thanks so much for being with us today. Thank you for having me. Can you tell . Tell us . How is dan daniel doing . Well, um, obviously is very stressed. Theres a tragedy that occurred here. Theres really nothing good. At this point, however you staying very close with his family and friends and getting their support to help him. Get through this. Did you ever expect the charges would be brought in this case . Well i definitely did not. It was not something that was easy to foresee, since you had an individual who stepped in to help his fellow passengers to then be charged with the death of mr neely was was a bit of a surprise, especially considering the fact that he had been interviewed by the police and was told that he was free to go and then was later arrested. So that it was not something that was anticipated. What can you tell us what happened on the train before daniel stepped in . Well generally, most of whats been reported is, um, is true. As far as mr neely entering the train and acting in a very violent manner, both physically and with words. So you made threats to the passengers lives not directly in the sense, they said. Im going to kill you all. But he would say things to the effect that, um, you know, i need certain things. I need food. I need this or that. And if i dont get it, i dont care if i go to prison for The Rest Of My Life, and the passengers actually have said that they interpreted that mean well, when would you go to prison for the rest of your life . If you kill somebody, so everybody got the message. And what was his mindset when he put jordans neely in a chokehold . Well the mindset is pretty simple. He was fearful for the safety of those passengers. So when he acted, his mindset was to keep his fellow pastors safe. From attack. And do you know how long he was on the train before he put him in that show cold. I dont know how long theyre on the train for specifically, but there was a period of time where the situation kind of developed. So you know, a period of time to be able to observe mr neely swinging his arms at passengers throwing his jacket down, making threats, so whatever period of time that encompassed, but it was certainly, um minutes, okay . And did he also say that he was ready to die . Jordans neely he did he did. Men helped daniel restrain jordan neely that day has your team spoken to them . We have we have. Weve spoken to quite a few witnesses because of the early stages of where we are in these proceedings. We have to be careful how much of that we can reveal. But we can say that we have spoken to quite a few witnesses and we will be speaking to more as their information becomes available and we could track them down and get some Additional Information from them. Of course, the police have also spoken to witnesses. That stayed on the train when they did arrive. Now daniel did cooperate with the police right after and went to the police station. Why was he let go after that . Well i mean, we have to remember like this was a case of self defense and the police saw that and the police didnt arrest him. Didnt take him down to the station and asked him. Can you come down to the station . He was very willing to do that. You know. Daniel wants to participate in this. Whatever investigation was going to be so he did. You went down there with them voluntarily. And he sat down with the police because danny has nothing to hide. So danny spoke to the police for as long as they want to speak to him, and they made a determination based on what he said what the witnesses said that there is no reason to arrest him and they and they said youre free to go. Any luck. Okay the autopsy came back within a day and a half. Was daniel surprised by the results of the autopsy. Yes i mean, he had it was absolutely unforeseeable for him to believe that the Medical Examiners report would have come back, indicating that it was a homicide. So it was a bit shocking, but what we have to really look at their and what i told danny to. As i said, danny, listen that the Medical Examiner came out and reported things about the report. They did not release the report itself. Theres a lot of Unanswered Questions that are in that report that has not yet been released, at least to the public or to his legal team, and i think the public has a right to know whats in that report. So were not jumping to conclusions as a lot of people have. We dont have toxicology reports. We dont have enough information as to what intervening causes, there might have been other Health Issues that might have been part of the equation here. So and were entitled to that. And we will, at some point be able to review that report, and it will, at some point be released to the public as well. Now after the autopsy report, will you in communication with District Attorney brags office . Yes yes, we were in frequent contact with the d a s office. Yes. Okay and how did you find out about the charges . Well we were told that there was going to be a grand jury presentation. And then that would take some time and it was going to be a very kind of deliberate process was not going to be rushed. Then suddenly we got a call, um, one night before daniels asked to surrender and said, hes hes got a hes got a surrender to the Police Department tomorrow. So at that point where, what do you mean . Tomorrow this was going to be a long process. Suddenly its tomorrow. But that being said i have to do is pick up the phone and say, hey, danny, the police need you. Can you be there . And he was there exactly the time that they asked him to be there to start the process. It didnt seem to make any sense as to the sudden urgency. However thats the way in which they decided to proceeds. So while youre waiting for a possible grand jury, you find out that a Felony Complaint is being filed by the d. A. Took that step. I wish i knew. I dont have an nor do i truly want to venture any guesses. I will say this, though, that the Felony Complaint is of no real consequence. Whats of real consequences . The grand jury presentation so you can have a grand jury indictment or a grand jury presentation with or without a Felony Complaint. A Felony Complaint is not necessary. Its not a necessary part of the process, so thats why its somewhat questionable as to why he took that step when he did, because it was a step that was unnecessary. There have been reports that some of the people on the train actually came up to daniel and thank him for his intervening. Is that true . It is true. Its absolutely true. And it was more than one person and i think the outpouring of support that danny has gotten up to this point. Theres been many, many Tens Of Thousands of people that have banked danny. For putting his life. His health has well being in danger to help those pastures on that train. Why do you think daniel did that . I think he did it because danny has always had the focus of helping people. Its part of the reason that inspired him to become a marine to serve his country to serve his fellow man. When you went into that train is only motivation was to help. His motivation was to help save those pastures for from somebody who was clearly an imminent threat. And if, if that was his intent was to help. I mean, he must have been surprised by what happened in the end. Of course, i mean, he couldnt have foreseen that jordan neely would have died from this or in some conjunction of it or after it occurred. The struggle, um and it was shocking to him and everybody. Everybodys hearts do go out to mr neely. This is a sad situation. It is a tragedy and nobody is here to villainize. Mr neely, but danny is coming to grips with this whole situation and the aftermath of it all. We reached out to the neely Family Attorneys. They were not available for an interview. Coming up on judge janine investigates the Subway Chokehold Who exactly was jordans neely, the real jordans neely and All Star Panel joins me to expose his criminal past, including 42 arrests and what went wrong. My name is joshua florence. And one thing i learned being a firefighter is plan ahead. You dont know what youre getting into. But at the end of the day, you know you have a team behind you that can help you. Not having to worry about the future makes it possible to make the present as best as it can be for everybody. Have you ever felt who was jordan a week . Not just the Michael Jackson who performed the real jordan neely. His rap sheet boasts 42 arrests including multiple assaults on subway passengers in just the last few years. One victim a 67yearold woman. He broke her nose and fractured her orbital bone in an unprovoked attack. Of course the manhattan d. A. Caught in pushing deals. If you promise to show up for treatment at stop doing drugs. He took the deal but he didnt stop. He became known for loot natomas and lived on the streets in hospitals and jails. And he was a partner in the top 50 list of Homeless People most in need of help. In short he was a violent individual who could threaten anyone at any time for any reason. This was the man daniel penny decided to confront. His struggle which ultimately ended in his death. You wouldnt have learned most of us had you attended his highly publicized funeral on friday. Joining me now in the studio is our allstar panel Cross Country host lawrence jones, Criminal Defense Attorney and former prosecutor john and retired new york inspector paul moral. Thank you all for being with me tonight. Ill start with you inspector. What about these 422 arrests and what did they tell you . 42 arrests as a latte but in this town and unfortunately people like jordan neely ecom known to the public and that people should realize that 42 arrests are not the entire universe of his encounters with the system. The police have options they can employ with someone like jordan neely especially if he is not committed a crime. Theres an emotionally disturbed mechanism where police can take someone into custody and to the end have them get treatment. My gut tells tells me its a pill that this onion and what the mainstream medias reporting theres a lot more regarding the times he has touched the system and could have helped them didnt. Jenne there are 42 times of these that we know of where he could have gotten help he needed. John i wait to listen to this Witness Statement from someone who was on the train. Im sitting on a Train Reading my book and All Of A Sudden i hear someone spewing this rhetoric. He said i dont care if i have to kill. I will go to jail, i will take a bullet. What does that tell you about the person saying that . It tells you they are obviously mentally unstable. It tells you that its possible that they are capable of committing harm upon you or somebody else on that train and it tells you a lot of things. Everybody in this room has been that person who has been reading a book on the train and All Of A Sudden looks up and doesnt know whether you will get assaulted or somebody else will get assaulted and this has allowed about the which is going to come and play in this case judge because the prosecutor and the defense will have to hang their hats on whether Daniel Pennys actions were reasonable. I want you to take a listen to al sharpton at the funeral this past friday. He didnt want to be a drug dealer. He didnt want to be a crook. He wasnt trying to be some negative. He wanted to be like michael that made the world smile to get on one beach. You didnt have the right to snatch snatch the lifeblood of this young man. But that it were that simple lawrence. Your reaction . It was a lot for all of them. Its interesting that the family now is suddenly involved. The where is the gofundme count to get him the Mental Health services that he needed . They said he was hungry. Look i have a lot of compassion. We are talking about a kid that watched his mother be torn apart and put into a suitcase. I have a lot of compassion for his circumstance and im sure there a lot of other Homeless Individuals and people with mental Health Issues riding the subway who have similar struggles. Again is at the people that are on the train job to put that into consideration . They dont know these people story but they know if theres a threat posed to them. We have people riding the subway that are pushed into the subway and assaulted on the subway. They have a duty to act. I hope that my mother or sister are ever on the subway a young man steps in for her. Coming up on judge judy investigates the chaos and Violent Crime plaguing our cities as america is on edge every single day. How we may have reached the tipping point. Before. And bath fitter. Before. And bath fitter. If you have a before bath, nows the time to call bath fitter to get a beautiful after. with our unique tub over tub process, theres no mess or stress. Spend smart on a beautiful new bath done right, backed by a lifetime warranty. Join over 2 million happy customers who know it just fits. Bath fitter. Visit bathfitter. Com to book your free consultation. So much more now . Other companies are charging you more and more for less and less. And we hate that thats why force factor has partnered with walmart to provide amazing supplements at great prices for all americans. 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Im anita vogel and now lets take you back to the special. For your headlines log onto foxnews. Com. Welcome back to judge jeanine investigates, the Subway Chokehold that the surge of Violent Crime is threatening new yorkers daily lives and nothing is being done to stop it. What is bolstering these violent criminals to attack innocent people . The assault on Crime Policies and lack of consequences. Heres a look at the rising threat in new york and why its only going to get worse. Violent crime on New York Citys subways doubling since 2019. Murders skyrocketing, six in 2020. It broke a decades long record. Eight in 2021 and in 2022, which capped a year of highprofile crimes on the New York City subway, 10 people were killed. Rochelle was like any other new yorker reporter that January Michelle was fatally shot in front of a moving train onto the subway tracks by homeless bug, unprovoked. Then in april chaos when a gunman opened fire and set off smoke bombs on the subway during the morning rush. Then in september a beating of a mother on our way to work change your life forever. She was savagely beaten by a homeless attacker. Maybe things would have been different and i wouldnt suffered so much pain and suffering in these things i go through. I have less confidence about myself every single day reporter people pushed onto the tracks. These are random unprovoked attacks. What can we do to make our subway safer . My answer back to everyone, i say do whatever it takes. Lester governor kathy hochul and mayor eric adams partner to crackdown on subway crime by increasing Police Presence on the subway and they say it worked. We did not ignore what people were feeling. People felt unsafe on our system. Five months into 2023, are we safer . Governor hochuls do whatever it takes didnt work for daniel penny. What happens when no one steps in to help like this incident in march . The teen was beaten down by a group of kids. The only healthy the only help he got was this recording. The death of jordan neely is what happens when a corrupt system fails to protect its own citizens over and over again. Neely should have been on the subway in the first place. Heres the rest of my exclusive interview with Daniel Pennys attorney who calls out New York Citys failed system. Speaking of jordan neely those 44 arrests and whenever you see his photo they portray him as a young Michael Jackson. What do you think of that . I think its a matter of how you want to present the facts. A lot of the footage that they use and a meaning the media, to present jordan neely a certain light at 15 or 20 years old many say and the truth is that things change and mr. Neely had a lot of troubles and came into a lot of contact with the criminal Justice System and i think its really fair to look at jordan neeleys arrest as a missed opportunity of our system to be able to help mr. Neely and get the help needed so situation might this would not occur so he wouldnt be demanding help in being angry about a system that failed him. Thats why i am personally grateful coming out and making a statement as to informing the Mental Health system in the city to improve upon it so we dont have tragedies like this happen again. At the same time daniel has been called a murderer by some of the july to. Many claim he acted based on race. What do you say to those people . I would say all those things. That is the simple truth that none of that is based on facts. As to race, its simply not the motivation for daniel because as you can see just examining what occurred here, danny, remember we are in a car, a small area underground where the doors are closed and locked. Its a scary situation because there is no escape it when you see someone thats trapped and you have Nowhere To Run the only thing you can do is to wait for the police but will it be too late by the time the train stops and you get a police officer. And no policeman is just going to show up there at that moment. Its just not going to happen so they are stuck there with this threat. When danny stepped forward he didnt know what was going to happen. He didnt know if you would be successful and restraining him or not or if he would become the victim. He didnt know if hed be overpowered or of jordan neely had a weapon he didnt know but he took a chance to save the people on the train. He took that chance and he is the one that put himself in danger and to save all the people on that train. It didnt matter to danny. Danny put his life at risk to save all those people and it has nothing to do with race. You think the charges against daniel will have a Chilling Effect on those who might be willing to step forward and be a Good Samaritan . Well i would say to you guessed and its a scary thing to do. Thats part of the reason why they are so much support because people are stepping forward saying we dont want that. We want people to help each other so its in fact going to be consequent when you prosecute someone for acting in selfdefense or the defense of others that others are potentially depending on how the case goes will be a big part of it is the prosecution successful and if it is well everybody simply be afraid to help one another and to put themselves in harms way to react to a difficult situation with the fear that they will be judged later and possibly punished for what they tried to do to help. You reference this its over 2 million now. Why do you think that is so successful . I think it struck a chord and i think people understand what is at risk here. I want to mention that it does have to do with danny. Danny is a hero in his own right. His service and the way he stepped up and put his own wellbeing in jeopardy but its even deeper than that. It goes to the very essence of what keeps us safe, each other. We do have the police. They do have the First Responders and we rely on them. We truly do but the reality is they cant be everywhere. When somebody says you know what im going to help we want to be that we want that to be in courage and not discourage. Its not even about the money anymore. I want to be part of this and stand up and say i respect danny and what he tried to do, that he did what he did and i want to make sure he understands that is the way we want people to be helping one another to step forward and help even if it means putting yourself in danger. Thanks so much for joining us today. Thanks so much judge, and appreciated. We reached out to the neely Family Attorney and they werent available for an interview. Coming up the Subway Chokehold despite the fact democrats and the liberal media want to hand down their own judgment in daniel penny. A panel puts them on trial, next. Buying a car from vroom is so easy, all you need is a phone and a finger. Just go to vroom. Com, scroll through thousands of cars. Then, tap to buy. Thats it. No sales speak, no wasted time. Go to vroom. Com and pick your favorite. Welcome back to judge jeanine investigates, the Subway Chokehold. Innocent until proven guilty, thats how the Justice System is supposed to work but the media wants to pass judgment about jordan neelys death. He was shouting that he was hungry, that he was thirsty, where was the humanity and a one that was on that trained . Anticipatory selfdefense lets call it. Thats not really a thing when it comes to a legal defense. What happened to the guy that would kick you for 15 minutes . He was not at risk. Marine veteran daniel penny was painted as a murder before the Justice System got the chance to do its job. Our allstar panel joins us Cross Country criminal prosecutor Defense Attorney John And Retired Nypd inspector john mauro. Im going to start with you lawrence and i want to talk about steve ray said the Defense Attorney for daniel penny talked about and he said this is a guy who stood up and took a risk. He decided to defend the other people on the train. Your thoughts . Lets face it, hes right. The cant be anywhere and they definitely cant be everywhere now that they have defunded the police but they got rid of the anticrime unit. People all over the country feel this pain because its not a matter of just the subway. Our cities are now. Feel like they can intervene in the public wants us to step up and do something about it. Daniel was that guy in a guarantee of the members of the jury and the women that experienced this type of stuff on a daytoday basis are going to see this stuff there and their Family Members there. I will go to you inspector. The new york selfdefense justification in article xxxv of the penal law said a person can use the amount of physical force he recently believes is necessary to defend himself or others reasonably be too believed to be the imminent use of force or illegal use of force. The question i would imagine is what was going on in Daniel Pennys mind when they made the decision to get involved . Exactly. Theres an old saying in law which is when cases and this is going to be a test based upon the facts. Those facts will be as follows, what was the demeanor of jordan neely on that train in an enclosed environment that he yells gun and takes off his jacket and thats clear hes ready to go all out. He throws the jacket down to what comes down to is a Balancing Test of whether or not what mr. Penny did is reasonable in light of the threat that he perceived from jordan neely and did he go too far in making that threat . That will come down to a close analysis of the facts. Did he stop to later should it stop soon or . In addition to selfdefense is a Good Samaritan law. I imagine this lawrence said everybody hopes a Good Samaritan is on the subway car especially on a trip to new york but how does that play into selfdefense . You dont have the duty to step up and save somebody. If you do you have to do so properly and nonnegligently. Will this be a set up for the neely family to see daniel penny . Im sure it will because a dangerous narrative that tapping, people are talking about selfdefense and the anticipatory right to selfdefense. That is wrong. The statute says if you have a reasonable belief in imminent harm, imminent harm means you dont have to wait until you get punched in the face before he used off it, youre your reason the police is what a reasonable person would apply so all that nonsense about not having the right to defend yourself from others until you are armed is flat out wrong and dangerous. Theres no one that rides the subway to see whats happened every single day on the subway it has a point of view. Its that simple. You can take it anyway you want to take it. Thank you lawrence for that one. Still ahead on judge judy investigates if the book is thrown at daniel penny for being a Good Samaritan what would our country look like if other Good Samaritans then decide to stop helping . My final thoughts, next. To build a better future. So were hard at work, helping them achieve financial freedom. Were providing greater access to investing, with lowcost options to help maximize savings. 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Welcome back to judge jeanine investigates, the Subway Chokehold for daniel penny could face up to 15 years in prison if he goes on trial for the death of jordan neely but what would america look like if other Good Samaritans like daniel penny did decided to stop being Good Samaritans . We are back with our allstar panel postlawrence jones Defense Attorney john is still more and retired inspector paul moreau. Inspector i want to ask a question of you. Culturally this could change america. What does this do to america in this case . Clearly this case a stroke a chord judge. Its National News and it happened in new york. The economy is as follows although people who are the most earnest and most earnest in and weaponized in this case against daniel penny people publicly calling for his head, the squad and some people in media those are the same people who will be creating the vacuum that daniel penny stepped into. Just remember what we have seen in the past from New York City safety history when he pulled back citizens step up and unfortunately will get more Daniel Pennys as we go forward. This case will have a Ripple Effect well beyond daniel penny because it will affect the rest of us and how we conduct ourselves and what we do and what we feel comfortable or uncomfortable doing. Its important we know we have a right of selfdefense and equally important and others and equally importantly exercised that especially in a time like this where we dont have the police to do the job that taxpayers had hoped they would be able to do and it also have to speak to the mentally ill. How little we are doing to help it if we took money way from the to help the mentally elwers the health . We artino what happens when people dont step up. People havent been stepping up and thats why you have the daniel penny and thats why america is rallying behind this man. Everyone knows what it feels like to sit back and say should i do if . Even the people sworn to protect us are like should i intervene, do i want to lose my family, do i want to lose my badge, do i want to lose my life can be imprisoned for The Rest Of My Life . Every single American Citizen has been experiencing that appear theres a crisis in this country that suddenly the life of black lives matter only when they what about everything before that and thats the crisis in this country. A lot of americans experienced this but when we see public protest is when we are dead. A great point. Before we go tonight we examine the case against daniel penny from every angle. No matter how the investigation unfolds the outcome will have a profound impact on everyone even if you live outside of new york. The moment it was announced penny would face charges with the same moment the rules became blurred within the Social Contract and where the government is supposed to protect the people. Will daniel penny pay an inordinate price for taking the risk and being a Good Samaritan . Time will tell what the rule will become when the government fails a Good Samaritans are forced to make the call, the question then becomes what will they choose . Hopefully theres still enough Good Samaritans among us, selfless enough to make the right choice. Thank you for watching tonight. Im judge jeannine pirro. Dont forget to check catch us monday through 58 monday through friday. Shannon bream prepress divide comes out swinging as republicans in a Rare Press Conference overseas. That limit negotiators basic deadline back home. Flex america has never defaulted and it never will. Shannon the president tries to reassure global as the parties do get out in d. C. Over a deal to keep pay our bills. Americans remain concerned about the impact of a potential default on markets, small businesses, loan rates at u. S. Global influence. Lexa president of the united