That to come and more before seven. But before we get stuck in, lets cross live for tonight. 6 00 news with polly middlehurst. Well, our top story from gb news tonight is that downing street says the attempt by police in brussels to shut down the National Conservatism conference is extremely disturbing. Officers arrived while gb news presenter nigel farage was addressing the event, giving everyone 15 minutes to leave the venue. Its understood the order came from the local brussels mayor, emir kir, in a move he said was to guarantee pubuc move he said was to guarantee public safety. Belgiums Prime Minister has within the last half hour described todays events as unacceptable and said banning political meetings is unconstitutional. The former home secretary Suella Braverman, spoke to nigel farage after her own speech at conference. Thankfully you and i got to make our speeches in favour of controlling our borders and protecting our communities amongst like minded democrats. Many of us there are democratically elected politicians. Many of us are leaders in our field, academics, thinkers , writers. And its thinkers, writers. And its frankly staggering. The mayor of brussels has deployed his thought police to cancel what is a peaceful event , focused on how a peaceful event, focused on how we can better represent the millions of people around the european continent . Well, as you can imagine , well, as you can imagine, this is a fast moving story thats got a lot of people hot under the collar today in brussels and on this side of the water, the National Conservatism, think tank website has said today we thank the belgian Prime Minister for his unequivocal support. Let me just read you what Alexander De Croo said. He said what happened at said. He said what happened at claridges today is unacceptable. Municipal autonomy is a cornerstone of our democracy. Can never democracy. But can never overrule the belgian constitution, guaranteeing the freedom of speech and Peaceful Assembly. Since 1830, he says, banning political meetings is unconstitutional. Full stop , no unconstitutional. Full stop, no doubt. Lots more happening on that story throughout the rest of the evening here on gb news. Well, labours west keating poked fun at Suella Bravermans absence from the commons today by honourable member for fareham, who couldnt be here today with us, mr deputy speaken today with us, mr deputy speaker, because shes currently in brussels surrounded by the police who are trying to shut down event shes attending down the event shes attending with right fanatics with some far right fanatics with some far right fanatics with whom she has much in common, well away from events in brussels. The rwanda bill is back in the house of lords tonight after mps rejected last night a series of amendments theyd suggested with some conservatives calling the proposals ridiculous. However, the lords are maintaining their standoff with the government on its flagship migration policy. If youre watching on television these live pictures coming to us from the upper chamber, theyre demanding rishi sunaks deportation plan ensures due regard, they say, for human rights and modern slavery concerns. Downing street has responded to the lords, saying its hoping to clear the final hurdle this week and get flights off the ground within weeks. But labour has insisted the scheme is doomed to fail. Labour has insisted the scheme is doomed to fail. Policing is doomed to fail. Policing minister chris philp says new powers for chief constables to sack rogue officers will root out those unfit to wear the badge. Out those unfit to wear the badge. Under the new powers, badge. Under the new powers, chief constables will be put in charge of misconduct hearings, making it much easier to remove officers in their own force who are found guilty. The changes, which come into force next month, follows a review into police dismissals after the conviction of David Carrick for multiple sex offences while serving as a police officer. Serving as a police officer. Departures and arrivals at Birmingham Airport were temporarily halted today after reports of a suspicious device on an air lingus flight to belfast. Weve since heard that , belfast. Weve since heard that, in fact, the airport has now fully reopened, but the crew made the discovery on the aircraft and returned having already taken off. The airport has told us now that customers who are due to travel can now check in as normal. The education secretary has said a court ruling dismissing a Muslim Students challenge against her School Prayer ban now gives School Prayer ban now gives school heads confidence in making the right decision to prioritise top difference between those of different faiths. The student had argued that a no prayer ritual policy at a school in north london was discriminatory, but the headteacher argued schools shouldnt be forced to change their approach because a child decided it was something they didnt like. The judge upheld the schools position, saying there was a rational connection between the schools inclusivity, social cohesion and its prayer policy. Equalities minister Kemi Badenoch also said the ruling was a victory against activists trying to subvert pubuc activists trying to subvert public institutions. The Health Public institutions. The health secretary, victoria atkins, has denied that a ban on tobacco and vape sales will cause a black market boom. If youre watching on tv, lets take a look inside the comments where the tobacco and vapes bill is being brought before mps for the first time. Full discussion going on there. If it becomes law, it would be an offence to sell Tobacco Products to anyone born after the 1st of january 2009. And just lastly, youve heard of april showers. But in dubai, the desert cities , usually blue desert cities, usually blue skies, have been hit by awful rain. In fact, thunderstorms , rain. In fact, thunderstorms, storms, and the authorities have told people to just stay at home. Pictures coming in to us show cars swamped with water waves buffeting traffic, roads brought to a standstill and dubai airport saying its temporarily diverting flights. This evening until those weather conditions improve. But forecasters are saying another wave of unstable weather is on the way. Thats the news for the latest stories. Do sign up to gb news alerts, scan the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. Carmelites. Carmelites. Thank you very much for that, polly. Im Michelle Dewberry, keeping you company till 7 00 tonight. Welcome my panel alongside me for the ride. The conservative candidate for finchley and Golders Green, alex dean. And the author and political organiser, James Schneider. Good evening to both of you gents. Youre very welcome. And also, you know the drill on this program. Its very much guys as well. Much about you guys as well. Whats your mind tonight . Whats on your mind tonight . Theres lots i want to to theres lots i want to talk to you about. Well come into that massive ruling just a massive legal ruling in just a second. When comes to that second. When it comes to that school Muslim Students. School and the Muslim Students. Right to prayer, well come on to that one worry nots. But i also want to talk to you about what on earths been going on in brussels. Seen the brussels. Have you seen that the Police Called while nigel police being called while nigel farage the stage . Is farage was on the stage . What is this issue with people having the to be the right the audacity to be on the right of politics . People get very hot under the collar, dont they . So i about that. The i want to talk about that. The smirking also smirking stuff as well. Also squatters. Do think they squatters. Do you think they should able to basically should be able to basically occupy property, occupy empty property, commercial property or not . And if i can squeeze it in because theres a lot to get through tonight. National trust, are they losing the plot, getting in touch with the usual touch with me all the usual ways, also on the website as ways, but also on the website as well. Gbnews. Com yoursay but a big story today, and this is a really big deal. Actually, its been victory all been called a victory for all schools. The which schools. This was the case which saw muslim pupil and her mum saw a muslim pupil and her mum actually school to court , actually take a school to court, the Michaela School in london. She basically saying she was she was basically saying she was essentially being discriminated against because she wasnt given the opportunity to pray during the opportunity to pray during the day and a court the school day and a High Court Judge now has basically ruled that school was acting in that the school was acting in a manner that was lawful and she was not being discriminated against. This is a big case of this because it had gone the other way. Alex, the ramifications for this could have been potentially quite huge. Thats right. But i actually think but i dont actually think this debate or a judgement this is a debate or a judgement about prayer. I this is a debate or a judgement about prayer. I think its a debate than a judgement about schools being able decide to schools being able to decide to decide own rules, which is decide their own rules, which is a which i completely a principle which i completely support. Judgement the support. The judgement is to the extent that ive been able to digest. It is excellent, and it makes the point that the parents and concerned and the child concerned impliedly accepted the schools secular position when they , secular position when they, dunng secular position when they, during the course of the admission process and drawn as they were explicitly, as they say to this school, because it was strict and the school says this is not a school where people pray. And the head people pray. And the head teacher, stranger to the teacher, no stranger to the headunes teacher, no stranger to the headlines herself, has made it clear this is not about persecuting some minority in the school. Indeed, as it happens, she makes the point. Its a muslim majority school. Its the point about having the same rules for everybody, minority point about having the same rule majority ybody, minority point about having the same rule majority ybody, m the ity point about having the same rule majority ybody, m the point and majority alike. So the point is, harm done to your rights is, any harm done to your rights is, any harm done to your rights is legitimate and proportionate to achieving the legitimate aims of the school, which is education and fairness to all pupils. And i think its the right decision before i bring you in, james, lets just listen. The headteacher mentioned there Katharine Birbalsingh she was out. This is her was speaking out. This is her earlier this listen to earlier on this year. Listen to what she had to say. We all need to recognise that. All of us need to make sacrifices for the betterment of the whole, so that we can all get on, and that schools play such an important part of this. Now, obviously, if your school is one where the children roam the corridors and the children do whatever they like during lunch, then i suppose you might choose to have a prayer room and thats fine. You know, im not suggesting that all schools shouldnt have a prayer room, but think that if but i do think that if a schools ethos is such and building is such that they cannot have a prayer room, then. James, what do you. Maxwell so broadly agree with alex on so i broadly agree with alex on the legal front, and this is more to do with, what schools are allowed to decide and if they are deciding it equally for all pupils of, of different faiths, it does seem that the way the school has managed it implies is isnt hasnt been managed terribly well. Both from that clip we just heard and then theres a little bit from the judgement that the child was temporarily expelled from the school or temporarily expelled from the school. Suspended . Yeah. Overturned by yeah. And that was overturned by the, judge. So it seems like the, the judge. So it seems like on the legal front, this is probably going in the right direction, but it suggests that, you know, for people is trying to pray suspension is probably not that she wants suspended for trying to pray. She was suspended, one of the accusations was that shed threatened to stab another pupil. So the two, the two were not. Thats completely separate. The two were not. Thats what im saying. The money linked. Yeah. So . So anyway, so thats a separate thing just from hearing, the headteacher there, i think there were if your school has a rule that youre a Secular School and you basically dont do religion, i think thats absolutely fine. Thats up to schools to decide. I think if pupils in that school wish to, you know, in their prayer in the not the prayer time, sorry, in the, in a break, you know, break between lessons, go into an empty classroom and pray together. That should also be absolutely fine. But no. And this is the crux of the point. This is what shes point. So this is what shes saying, so that this saying, alex. So that this headteacher, this is the real crux of this, this girl, crux of this, because this girl, this student was essentially saying, you know, i want to do like i think its, was it 1 00 or whatever time it is . She wanted to do it during the break. At the time. That suits me and in the manner and with manner that suits me and with the that it suits me. The the people that it suits me. The trouble is, course, you dont trouble is, of course, you dont know i was praying during know if i was praying during your introduction to my. As happens, wasnt, but might happens, i wasnt, but i might have silently away have been silently praying away and harm. One reads and doing no harm. One reads between here bit and between the lines here a bit and thinks, once you start the thinks, yeah, once you start the Group Children praying in the group of children praying in the Square Muslim majority square in muslim majority school, a group them school, once a group of them start who start praying are those who dont bad muslims and dont join in bad muslims and are who dont join in are those who dont join in because theyre not muslims, then from activity. Then excluded from the activity. And school and you can see why the school is to maintain is trying to maintain a universal and trying to universal rule and trying to Keep Community cohesion together by prayers for by saying no prayers for everyone. I note in the everyone. I note that in the judgement, it was said by the judgement, it was said by the judge prior this attempt judge that prior to this attempt to prayer in school, to legitimise prayer in school, the that they the child knew that they couldnt and the child knew that they couldn save and the child knew that they couldn save their and the child knew that they couldnsave their prayers the child knew that they couldn save their prayers and would save up their prayers and do at home. Well, they do it at home. Well, they already knew that it was that they supposed to pray in they werent supposed to pray in school. What they signed school. Thats what they signed up applied. School. Thats what they signed up indeed. Applied. School. Thats what they signed up indeed. And applied. School. Thats what they signed up indeed. And oneplied. School. Thats what they signed up indeed. And one ofad. School. Thats what they signed up indeed. And one of the things indeed. And one of the things actually, i find quite actually, that i find quite interesting head interesting is she the head teacher talking you teacher shes talking about, you know, youve got faith know, if youve got faith schools or whatever, then ultimately as a school ultimately you as a school should the right not to should have the right not to have things like the black group, hindu group, the group, the hindu group, the muslim the lgbt group, muslim group, the lgbt group, etc, herself etc, etc. She prides herself this ive got to this school. I mean, ive got to say, record, i think say, for the record, i think this like an absolutely this sounds like an absolutely fabulous i be fabulous school. I would be absolutely if child absolutely delighted if my child went school. Its rated went to this school. Its rated outstanding ofsted all outstanding by ofsted and all the but there has the rest of it, but there has been quite a ramifications to this. Catherine, the this. Listen to catherine, the head james, some head teacher again. James, some of comments that shes made of the comments that shes made about this support staff right now, they come and see me frightened. Really scared. Theyre really scared. And gosh, my goodness, gosh, last year, my goodness, i mean that that was the worst. It was, i mean, theyre theyre its not right that, a headteacher or teachers should be put under that kind of stress because theyre just trying to do their jobs. Its not right. And if you dont like the rules of the school, dont send your kid there. Its not difficult, is it . It. 7 i it . I couldnt hear what she was referring. She she was basically saying under teacher stress. Teachers, were, hassled. Yes. Teachers, were, hassled. Apparently thered been some apparent death, death apparent death, not death threats, though. Bomb threats threats, though. Bomb threats made towards this school, teachers being threatened and things like that. Well, i mean , no school well, i mean, no school should get bomb threats or threatened of any sort, and nor should, nor should any, you know, any teachers. Were now starting to talk about things that are , you know, we probably that are, you know, we probably all of us dont know very much about. But i certainly dont know much about the details. But i think that there are there are two things which can separate two things which we can separate out the legal out here. One is the legal thing, the other is how not thing, and the other is how not to do with the law. But how can you run a school in a way that is that is inclusive within the parameters youve parameters of which youve already youre absolutely already set . Youre absolutely right. Separate debates, there are separate debates, but are also theres an but there are also theres an interesting connection because youre want youre entitled to say, i want to indeed, to test your to do this. Indeed, to test your position law. Want to be position in law. I want to be able to do this my school. Able to do this in my school. The schools entitled to say back in the end, if you dont like it, choose another school. But then you fray at the boundanes but then you fray at the boundaries of whats acceptable in society. And you, you fray it. Underpins us as a as it. What underpins us as a as a liberal democracy to say, if i dont get my way, than dont get my way, rather than just the judgement, just accepting the judgement, or rather what rather than just accepting what the headmaster the the headmaster says or what the school going to school rules say, im going to threaten and im going to threaten you and im going to say going to come and do you say im going to come and do you harm unless i get way. And harm unless i get my way. And at that matter how that point, no matter how much sympathy had with sympathy i might have had with your take a position or your right to take a position or say want something, say you want to do something, ive no for that at all. Yeah. Of course. I mean, if anyone is saying that theyre going to do another person harm, physical mean, that physical harm, etc, i mean, that when lost debate, when you have lost a debate, then start hitting the other then you start hitting the other person so, i mean, person on the head. So, i mean, i think we can, know, we can i think we can, you know, we can all can agree that. All we can all agree on that. I this mother of this i think this mother of this pupil got cheek, quite pupil has got a cheek, quite frankly, because she apparently wants a sibling, wants to send a sibling, a second this School Second child, to this school come but she come september. But then she also oh, by way, also says, oh, and by the way, apparently issue apparently theres another issue that and that shes not happy with and has sent a letter to has apparently sent a letter to the school. The lawyers of the school. I mean, couldnt make it up mean, you couldnt make it up sometimes, but may not. That may not be true. I think it might be again, we dont know. It could be case know. But it could be the case where youve got a parent who likes the school because the school good. Rated school is very good. Its rated outstanding , etc, they would outstanding, etc, but they would like of its policy like some aspect of its policy to different. Ordinarily and to be different. Ordinarily and we in other we see that in other circumstances say, well, circumstances we say, well, thats an engaged parent. Thats a thing. It a thats a good thing. It doesnt that shes going to doesnt mean that shes going to get her way. It doesnt mean that going to change the that theyre going to change the policy would policy because she would like it. Perfectly entitled it. But shes perfectly entitled to school. To say, i like the school. I want part it. But want to be part of it. But i would like this thing to be different. Then the school different. And then the school is perfectly entitled is also perfectly entitled to say, but no, say, weve heard you, but no, i might put the emphasis slightly differently. Parents entitled to parents are entitled to express their views about how things Different Things might be different at their schools, and as you rightly demonstrates their schools, and as you rightly in emonstrates their schools, and as you rightly in the nstrates their schools, and as you rightly in the schools engagement in the School Community but there community to do so. But there is a hypocrisy in saying, i am drawn to this school because of these it these values. Im drawn to it because to be the because i want it to be the successful strict in the way successful and strict in the way that i insist, at that it is, and now i insist, at the of taking to the point of taking you to court, that you different to court, that you are different to the that things are. And the way that things are. And that, think, bit much. That, i think, is a bit much. Another key point to that, i think, is a bit much. And another key point to that, i think, is a bit much. And manyther key point to that, i think, is a bit much. And many ofr key point to that, i think, is a bit much. And many of youl point to that, i think, is a bit much. And many of you atoint to that, i think, is a bit much. And many of you at home, this. And many of you at home, youve already started getting in me asking in touch with me and asking me this question. Whos this question. Michelle, whos paid this . Well, the paid for all of this . Well, the answer you. And this is answer is you. And this is the, one of the points that Katharine Birbalsingh the headteacher bnngs birbalsingh the headteacher brings her letter. She brings up in her letter. She actually can it be right actually asks, can it be right for a family to receive £150,000 of taxpayer funded legal aid to bnng of taxpayer funded legal aid to bring a case like this . Well, i imagine that you would both say that thats a good thing, because you think that this is a very good judgement. And so for £150,000 to this judgement, to have found this judgement, which in direction that which goes in the direction that you is now in law, you want, which is now in law, does seem be a bad does not seem to be a bad spending of money. Its not a spending of money. Its not a spending just spending of money, just when legal spent, isnt legal aid is spent, it isnt only for people that it is only for the people that it is whose case it is. The purpose is, its for performing some kind of societal function. And in this case, which is setting out some Legal Framework that can be then taken forward, thats really the work its done, rather than for the mother and the daughter who didnt get what after wanted. What they were after wanted. Anyway. Youre a barrister. What think i dont think what do you think i dont think i agree, and the reason i think i agree, and the reason i think i dont agree is that i dont think this was a of law of think this was a point of law of general until the general interest until the parents decided to take their own through the legal piocess. Process. Indeed, i think the people would largely have imagined the Central Point was that headmasters are entitled to certainly framework certainly within the framework of to their of admissions, to govern their own im not sure it own schools. So im not sure it was a point of general Public Interest way you imply. Interest in the way you imply. But is theres a but moreover, there is theres a broader point here for me, too, which unless you have which is that unless you have unlimited which state unlimited funds, which no state does, decide what does, you have to decide what you resources and does, you have to decide what you Legal Resources and does, you have to decide what you legal aid resources and does, you have to decide what you legal aid budgetirces and does, you have to decide what you legal aid budgetirces punnd our legal aid budget is no pun intended. Already criminally underfunded. And if you were deciding that money goes , deciding where that money goes, in my defending to the in my view, defending to the best ability, people who best of our ability, people who are accused crimes so as to are accused of crimes so as to ensure have the best ensure they have the best possible in court possible representation in court because are the cases because those are the cases in which people to prison, which people can go to prison, must over cases must take priority over cases like which uncharitably like this, which uncharitably might. Described as might be discarded. Described as rather frivolous. Viewers, helen, one of my viewers, helen, says, come on, says, michelle, come on, a prayer five minutes a day prayer for five minutes a day dunng prayer for five minutes a day during should be during lunch time should be allowed. But helen, it would be during lunch time should be a|slipperyyut helen, it would be during lunch time should be a|slippery slope. En, it would be during lunch time should be a|slippery slope though, uld be during lunch time should be a|slippery slope though, because a slippery slope though, because they this , kind of policy they have this, kind of policy where they call it, they break bread. The pupils have bread. All of the pupils have vegetarian meals, they all sit together. All are together. They all are collective during lunch. Just collective during lunch. I just want as well. Want to read you as well. Theres its really good theres its a really good statement. Could go and look statement. You could go and look it yourselves. Says it up yourselves. But she says things we want things like michaela, we want our children live lives of our children to live lives of dignity, they up dignity, whether they end up poor or rich later life. Poor or rich later in life. A life of meaning is not about being believe that being rich. We believe that purpose character purpose and moral character matter, and that there is such thing moral truth. We tell thing as moral truth. We tell our kids to be top of the pyramid, and our goal for them isnt to be the richest, or even the most famous, or even the cleverest. Is to someone cleverest. It is to be someone who a of moral worth, who lives a life of moral worth, shaped self sacrifice, shaped by self sacrifice, vice filled what shaped by self sacrifice, vice fille have, what shaped by self sacrifice, vice fille have, and what shaped by self sacrifice, vice fille have, and doing what shaped by self sacrifice, vice fille have, and doing allvhat shaped by self sacrifice, vice fille have, and doing all that they have, and doing all that they have, and doing all that they can to help those who have not. I think its a really interesting statement that you should all read it, but one of the things that she talks about a lot in this statement is the fact that they have conservative, small c values, and they pride themselves as having that after the break. This is exactly the point that i want to explore, because in brussels, the police are being called try and down an called to try and close down an event was about event that was all about National Conservatism. So lets explore this, shall we . Why is being of the right, politically such an issue some . See you such an issue for some . See you in two. Hello there. Im Michelle Dewberry , and im with you till dewberry, and im with you till 7 00 tonight alongside me. Alex dean and James Schneider remain. We were just talking about the Michaela School just before the break. Actually, a couple of you have gotten in touch saying, why should they . Why should have should they . Why should we have any kind faith schools at all any kind of faith schools at all anyway . Arent all schools , anyway . Why arent all schools, secular . That would solve a lot of issues , in society, some of of issues, in society, some of you are suggesting. Did you did you are suggesting. Did you did you are suggesting. Did you did you know that Suella Braverman was one of the essentially like a founding governor of the Michaela Academy . I did did you know that james . Know know that james . Did you know that home . I confess, that at home . I confess, actually, did not that, actually, i did not know that, anyway, the Michaela Academy one of the things that they say is that theyre positively embraced small conservative values, and small c conservative values, and they talk about things like gratitude, agency, personal responsibility, the refusal of identity politics, victimhood, a love of country, hard work, kindness , a duty towards others, kindness, a duty towards others, self sacrifice for the betterment of the whole people, etc. Which got me then thinking about said conservative values, because over in brussels , i because over in brussels, i mean, ive got to say, i was watching this live today because the National Conservative conference was taking place. Now this conference, essentially, they had, their venue cancelled twice. So there was now on their third venue attempt today and long story short, the mayor of brussels decided that he didnt want this to happen, he was essentially saying that he needed to be shut down for pubuc needed to be shut down for public safety. Nigel farage was on the stage. It was it was gripping it. It it was better than any drama ive watched recently. I can tell you that. You had the police at the door. It gripping it was really, really gripping stuff nigel farage, stuff anyway. Nigel farage, lets to he had to say. Well, they dont like alternative points of view. I mean, you know, im used to this. Mean, when was mep this. I mean, when i was an mep here last few i was here in my last few years, i was banned restaurants, banned banned from restaurants, banned from even from from pubs, even banned from coffee had coffee shops because i had a different point of view to that that prevailing and backed that was prevailing and backed up money and big business up by big money and big business here, but this is that was me on a private level. This is very much public stage. No much on a public stage. No alternative opinion allowed. This is the updated new of this is the updated new form of communism. And you know what, if communism. And you know what, if anything, ever, ever made me think that brexit was the right thing to do. Its the events here brussels today , the here in brussels today, the mayor of the city has just described, and he was saying, and i quote, the far right is not welcome. Well one of the other speakers that was Suella Braverman, lets take a listen to her. Its pretty astonishing. Nigel, isnt it, thankfully, you and i got to make our speeches in favour of controlling our borders and protecting our communities amongst like minded democrats. Many of us there are democratically elected politicians. Many of us are leaders in our field. Academics, thinkers, writers. And its thinkers, writers. And its frankly staggering. The mayor of brussels has deployed his thought police to cancel what is a peaceful event focused on how we can better represent the millions of people around the european continent. Well, look. So where streeting. He had this to say earlier. Listen the right honourable member for fareham, who couldnt be here today with us, mr deputy speaker, because shes currently in brussels surrounded by the police who are trying to shut down the event. Shes attending with some far right fanatics she has right fanatics with whom she has much common. Much in common. Extraordinary, really. And i didnt know i was going to say this until i saw that clip of wes streeting labour joking about this really sends a shiver down the spine. Is this what we are to expect if we get a Labour Government free speech, just for those people with whom you agree . Because that is no free speech all. Belief in free speech at all. Belief in free society free means society and a free speech means standing up the rights of standing up for the rights of people despise. Dare people you despise. Now i dare say i that theyve got say i hope that theyve got a more relationship than more convivial relationship than that. That their that. I hope that their parliamentary partners. That. I hope that their paeres ntary partners. That. I hope that their paeres streeting partners. That. I hope that their paeres streeting doesnt tners. That. I hope that their paeressuellaing doesnttners. That. I hope that their paeresSuella Braverman tners. That. I hope that their paeresSuella Braverman. 1ers. That. I hope that their paeresSuella Braverman. But despise Suella Braverman. But even if he does, he ought not to seek to ban her views or laugh at those who do. I dare say the mayor of brussels has given this conference far more attention than it would ever otherwise have and probably have received, and its probably backfired on him to an extent. But i would say to the mayor of brussels, if you disagree with people, then feel free to say why disagree with them. Feel why you disagree with them. Feel free them or even free to argue with them or even disparage mock them. Disparage and mock them. But dont seek to ban them. Think actually quite i think its actually quite chilling, that because chilling, james, that because you politically disagree you can politically disagree with wheel out this with someone, you wheel out this label, this far right label that just wheeled out. So often just gets wheeled out. So often now its just come to me. Its almost meaningless because almost meaningless now because it used like confetti. It is just used like confetti. Basically. Me, i disagree basically. To me, i disagree with you, but this notion that you the police you can have the police literally chomping at bit literally chomping at the bit at the then went in, the door, then they went in, they gave them 15 minutes basically read these basically to read these documents that agree to close down the conference and so on. I find it quite chilling. What do you think . Youre right find it well, youre right to find it chilling , the police shouldnt chilling, the police shouldnt be around in any country be going around in any country shutting down political meetings regardless of how distasteful you find them. And there will be a lot said at the nato con conference that will be extremely distasteful. That extremely distasteful. That should be attacked as there was when it was held in london. As it is when it is held in the us. Theres much to disagree about it, but they should be allowed to go and say it so that it can be disagreed with. And this is a worrying trend. Earlier in your presentation , you were presentation, you were suggesting its something that is only done to the right, and i dont think thats the case at all. For example, just a few days ago, there was a conference in berlin. The palestine conference, which was shut down by 2000 Police Officers who prevent kid entering in, british palestinian doctor hassan abu sitta, who was meant to give testimony about what was happening in hospitals in palestine. And that was shut down. The live feed was shut off, and the people who were participating, including Yanis Varoufakis , the former varoufakis, the former greek finance banned from finance minister, is banned from entry germany and banned from entry to germany and banned from even participating in zooms that could germans on them. And could have germans on them. And i think this is very worrying i think this is a very worrying trajectory we that we that we should all all stand against. Ill give you the ultimate irony, which is that this mayor of brussels, not some past predecessor, this mayor of brussels, on brussels, has appeared on a stage with the mayor of tehran, who sanctioned by the eu. Who is sanctioned by the eu. And his defence, when challenged about that, was just appearing on a panel with somebody doesnt mean you agree with them. Well quite. You know, having hosting a city having hosting people in a city and allowing them to have Public Discourse doesnt mean you agree with them. Of course, weve all immediately become on immediately become experts on the belgian constitution, havent we . And the belgian constitution guarantees freedom of assembly. Well, of speech and assembly. Well, that wasnt much in evidence here, and i look forward to the brussels government, the belgian government saying is government saying this mayor is completely off base. And ill just you more point, just give you one more point, because in a parallel world, because if in a parallel world, i were the mayor of london and james had some meeting with his far left mates, i wouldnt dream of tasking the police with shutting them down. And if i did, i hope the police would refuse my unlawful order, because this is wholly against free speech and moreover, from the so called capital of the European Union, the next time the tries to say putin or the eu tries to say putin or orban or trump has done something authoritarian and overreach their powers, and they dont like those authoritarian right wingers will say, why shouldnt i . Because thats what happensin shouldnt i . Because thats what happens in the heart of your beloved eu. And you know what . Theyll be, right. Beloved eu. And you know what . Thewell,e, right. Beloved eu. And you know what . Thewell, the ght. Beloved eu. And you know what . Thewell, the Prime Minister, well, the Prime Minister, actually, belgium, actually, of belgium, he, has written x and said written on twitter x and said what happened at the richard tice . Thats the venue that was hosting that. Its unacceptable. Basically, on about, basically, he goes on about, municipal autonomy as a cornerstone of our democracy, but can never, ever rule the, the belgium, constitution, guaranteeing the freedom of speech and Peaceful Assembly since 1830, banning political meetings is unconstitutional,. Meetings is unconstitutional,. Good for the Prime Minister of belgium, which is, of course, something i say all the time. What about this weird notion , what about this weird notion, this weird over use of the phrase right. 7 because i feel phrase far right . Because i feel that this just gets wheeled out all the time and basically what it means is people are just disagree with. I dont think it it does mean that, of course, any time can be used sloppily far left or hard left or far right or so on. They can be used sloppily. I they can be used sloppily. I do think that i havent looked at the full guest list and everything that they have to say, but there have been people that are further to the right than the hard right who have participated these, these participated in these, in these events. But i mean, these are analytical terms. Theyre not just and they should be used as such. So we shouldnt be afraid of calling people far right when theyre when theyre far right. But shouldnt used in but it shouldnt be used in a way that i dont think anyone is afraid of calling anyone far right. f people use it all the time and it, if you ask me, and they use it, if you ask me, as way shaming. So what as a way of shaming. So what they is of a shout they think is of a shout far right them, because right to them, because essentially want controlled essentially they want controlled immigration, essentially they want controlled im ashamed that theyll kind so ashamed that theyll all kind of wither and be silent. Its absolutely ridiculous. Then absolutely ridiculous. But then the other flip side, alex, unless to unless you want to respond to that far right, i just no, i agree, i get called far right on social media for expressing the kinds discussing tonight. I think often it does i think all too often it does mean i disagree with you, but i get to disagree with you without having burden of explaining having the burden of explaining why youre wrong. Just why or why youre wrong. I just call therefore call you far right and therefore ill im able to dismiss you. But the flip side of but then the flip side of this many people will also this is many people will also argue conservatives are argue that the conservatives are your party. Theyre not even conservative anymore. So for example, youve got this vote tonight the tobacco and vapes tonight on the tobacco and vapes bill, many people would argue that true conservatives , that true conservatives, conservatives would allow people to make choices that are perhaps bad for them. And why would you be busying yourselves with bills like that. 7 like that . So two things. First of all, of course, the conservative party is a broad church. It includes everyone from Suella Braverman, you rightly braverman, which you rightly described which is described on the right, which is where all the way where i am to all the way through lefties think we through to lefties who think we in sense, who in the conservative sense, who think have remained think we should have remained in the forth, the European Union and so forth, although we our own although we have our own internal disagreements internal family disagreements from on the point from time to time on the point you make about smoking ban, i would just make the point that whilst the Prime Minister is seeking to introduce legislation which the labour party is now supporting and says well get over the line, i think theyre probably right. Hes doing so in a vote and i a free vote and i was a candidate selected by the conservative that conservative party, regard that free applying free vote as applying to candidates well members of parliament. Is that a good of is that a good use of conservative government . Is that a good use of conwell, ive government . Is that a good use of conwell, i\wasyvernment . Is that a good use of conwell, i\wasyvernmto t . Is that a good use of conwell, i\wasyvernmto make the well, i was going to make the point i think its point that i think its completely you know, and completely wrong, you know, and i someone whos been i as a as someone whos been selected party, feel free selected by my party, feel free to in course of to say that in the course of having vote about it. But having a free vote about it. But i will make point too. I will just make the point too. And dont know what james and i dont know what james thinks this. The last time thinks about this. The last time restrictions on kind of personal choice went choice issues like this went through the house of commons. On the john reid the left, people like john reid and and john and tessa jowell and John Prescott voted against restricting ability to restricting peoples ability to make these decisions for themselves. In part, they did it because working mans because the working mans freedom after day go freedom after a hard day to go out pint or a smoke out and have a pint or a smoke shouldnt be restricted. And in part because there part they did it because there was Cross Party Consensus part they did it because there wa liberalism. ;s Party Consensus part they did it because there wa liberalism. Wouldy consensus part they did it because there wa liberalism. Would that1sensus part they did it because there wa liberalism. Would that return; on liberalism. Would that return 7 on liberalism. Would that return. 7 would it . Will we ever be a more liberal . Well, i suppose i meant would that it would that we could have it back would be lovely. But will, will that return in the labour party because the strongest debate in this within the party, some the conservative party, some saying its right, some saying its labour its wrong. The labour party is unhed its wrong. The labour party is united of nanny its wrong. The labour party is uniteycontrol. Of nanny its wrong. The labour party is uniteycontrol. Freakery� nanny its wrong. The labour party is uniteycontrol. Freakery do ny its wrong. The labour party is uniteycontrol. Freakery do you state control. Freakery do you agree that , i state control. Freakery do you agree that, i think that agree with that, i think that probably labour is probably the labour party is just doing it always does, just doing what it always does, which agreeing with which is agreeing with the government thinks government because it thinks that best way to win that thats the best way to win the election. Youre a hard to debate, youre a hard man to debate, james, say the right, james, when you say the right, you true things. You say true things. I the answer is i hope so. I think that , this is a this is think that, this is a this is a stupid ban, and i do think that, theres a long standing tradition that is much more focused on freedom, on the left, especially in the left of the labour party. That is not in favour of, of this sort of stuff at all, and has been against it for, for, for a long time. Can i squeeze in one point . You may, which is believing in liberty Means Nothing all if liberty Means Nothing at all if you just defend things that everyone for everyone likes and are good for you. Sometimes liberty means defending that you dont defending things that you dont like, right grown like, and the right of grown adults to decide things that are bad for them, and long may that remain so, says michelle remain so, kevin says michelle wes streeting should be forced to apologise for that comment , to apologise for that comment, he made in parliament. I dont see that happening to you, andy, says. Michelle, i dont personally believe that there is a left and a right narrative anymore. Just fight anymore. Its just a fight between sides , between two intolerant sides, who both have the arrogance to be certain that they are right. Be certain that they are right. The political debate become the political debate has become too to be healthy for too toxic to be healthy for democracy, he says. I hope that im wrong. Is he wrong or do you agree with that . Has it all got too toxic, are people too arrogant on either side of the debate . Give me your thoughts on that. Speaking about people are arrogant. By the way, do you think that people should able think that people should be able to their words, not mine. To occupy their words, not mine. Empty squatters. What empty building squatters. What do you think to them . See you in two. Hi there. Michelle dewberry tells seven alongside the conservative candidate for finchley and Golders Green, alex dean. And the author and political organiser, James Schneider. Welcome back, everyone. Lets talk squatters, shall we . Have you seen the goings on . There was a pub, essentially, thats owned by gordon ramsay, its got a value. Its up for sale with a price tag of £13 million. Long story short, these squatters went into there and they said they had the right to occupy this venue, essentially because it wasnt residential. They put this no essentially because it wasnt residential. They put this no on basically saying to people essentially dont cross this threshold, were allowed to be there. Had the there was there. They had the there was call out the Camden Arts Community or Something Like that. They turned it into like a little bit of a soup kitchen. They allowed like to they allowed like artists to come display work come in and display their work anyway. Now been served anyway. Theyve now been served nofice anyway. Theyve now been served notice theyve had cancel notice theyve had to cancel their planned kitchen for their planned soup kitchen for today be gone. Alex, what do today and be gone. Alex, what do you think to this . I think its a recipe for anarchy to reward behaviour like this. The police and the law, in my view, far soft on my view, are far too soft on what real menace it is to what a real menace it is to peoples lives businesses to peoples lives and businesses to let people squat. It can ruin the of people both in the lives of people both in residential and commercial settings. If you are on settings. And if you are on someone elses property unlawfully, i think the police in country should remove in this country should remove you extreme prejudice. You with extreme prejudice. Agree that. 7 do you agree with that . Do you agree with that . No, i, dont. I think that no, i, i dont. I think that when a building isnt being used, i dont think theres anything wrong with it being squatted, especially if its used for some social purpose. I mean, lets take a, you know, any high street in britain that is full of shuttered shops. I think if some of those were taken over and opened up for some Community Activity vie that, you know, i dont know, activists were running a soup kitchen or, helping people back into work or whatever it might be in, in a particular, in a particular venue, i think is i think would be a good thing. Think would be a good thing. James and i go on holiday for a fortnight. Am i entitled as long as ive got a good enough social purpose to take over your house . But thats if house . No but thats not so. If you believe Property Rights you believe in Property Rights for cant the of for you, why cant the rest of us have them . For you, why cant the rest of us iwell, hem . For you, why cant the rest of us iwell, firstly, i imagine you well, firstly, i imagine you and dont the same idea and i dont have the same idea of rights, for of Property Rights, for starters. Secondly , thats starters. But secondly, thats for but i think that, me for sure. But i think that, me going holiday from my rented going on holiday from my rented flat for two weeks is rather different. Different. Lets say six months. You go on holiday for a nice six month toun on holiday for a nice six month tour, and i take it over for five months with my social purpose is rather different to the up , you know, the the boarded up, you know, the boarded up commercial building that being brought back that is not being brought back to life or they broke in, right . Like id break into your flat, but thats okay, right . Because ive a social purpose in ive got a social purpose in doing so. Im run doing so. Im going to run a soup kitchen out of your flat for five months while youre on toun well, okay, there are lots of, are lots of shops that of, there are lots of shops that are boarded up down the road that could do use your that you could do that use your flat soup kitchen, james. Flat as a soup kitchen, james. A social purpose. Its a good social purpose. Its a good social purpose. No. Youve got on your im no. Youve got on your im coming back james speaking tour. Youve got on the right. Youve got on the schneider speaking tour for six months months months and just for five months of auditioning of that, youre auditioning my agent. To. And agent. Im going to. And youd be a great speaker, too. And im going take your flat over for going to take your flat over for five middle. Five months in the middle. Dont think that is no, i dont think that is remotely comparable to, for example, explain the difference to explain to me. Ill explain it very easily. Okay. That is easily. Okay. A bank that is shutting, is shut down, shutting, that is shut down, its its purposes. Left. It its left its purposes. Left. It left its premises. Its still there. Its in the middle of there. Its in the middle of town. And that gets taken over. Town. And that gets taken over. Theres no, no one. Its not using it instead of somebody else because theres no theres no other tenant whos there. And its used for some other purpose. I think that seems perfectly fine, perfectly sensible, and not not comparable to your example, where you come over and fiddle around with my drawers. So is your distinction commercial vie residential then, not. I mean , if someones living not. I mean, if someones living there, if its someones home, then thats a completely different matter, right . If its someones holiday home and they reside in a different country. You know, probably not. But l, you know, probably not. But i, for example, i can see a circumstance in namibia, for example, which has a very large , example, which has a very large, problem with lack of housing and landlessness. I can see some example where you would say, well, that is morally right in, in such and such a circumstance. But anyway, were dealing very much here. Much with edge cases here. Less, less than less, less, less than namibia, more high street. Imagine youre banking namibia, more high street. Indeedmagine youre banking namibia, more high street. Indeed aagine youre banking namibia, more high street. Indeed a pub; youre banking namibia, more high street. Indeed a pub exampleyanking namibia, more high street. Indeed a pub example like ng or indeed a pub example like this one. Its boarded up. Yes, but that means people have broken in to get there. You say thats i say, how do you thats okay. I say, how do you know its not going to be used thats okay. I say, how do you kncx its not going to be used thats okay. I say, how do you kncx amount going to be used thats okay. I say, how do you kncx amount ofing to be used thats okay. I say, how do you kncx amount of time . Be used thats okay. I say, how do you kncx amount of time . Howsed thats okay. I say, how do you kncx amount of time . How do you for x amount of time . How do you know what Business Plans are being made for that which are being made for that which are being with the being stymied along with the employment along employment opportunities, along with the rejuvenation that may take place the presence of take place by the presence of those who then those squatters who are then effectively that the effectively demanding that the state them on. Otherwise state move them on. Otherwise theyll there long theyll stay there for as long as like. As they like. Well, i mean, you probably well, i mean, as you probably know, isnt ordinarily what know, that isnt ordinarily what does squatters. Does happen with squatters. They often to an agreement with often come to an agreement with the landlord about when theyre when theyre going to take it back, because theyre going to put in some other commercial tenant. Basically youve put in some other commercial tenhereiasically youve put in some other commercial tenhereiasproperty youve put in some other commercial tenhereiasproperty vieouve put in some other commercial tenhereiasproperty vie thata got here is property vie that nothing is happening in for a short period of time , short period of time, potentially a medium period of time, and its being used for some other purpose. And that is, you know, thats perfectly permission. Permission. That is the key without the permission of owner, permission of the owner, permission of the owner, permission want up permission if you want to set up your kitchens, your social soup kitchens, good on job, save up on you. Go get a job, save up some money, buy some property and it for whatever your and use it for whatever your heart tells to do is rock up heart tells you to do is rock up to someone elses property because you think youve got a decent social purpose, do you . But these two have completely different opinions. What do you different opinions. What do you make of it all . Gb views gbnews. Com if you want to email me as well, thats how you can get hold of me today, also, National Trust after the break, do theyre the do you think theyre losing the plot a bit or not . Ill plot a little bit or not . Ill tell why tell you why hello there. Im Michelle Dewberry with you till 7 00 tonight. Right alongside me. Alex. Dean the conservative candidate for finchley and Golders Green and the political organiser and author, James Schneider. Lets talk National Trust , long story short, trust, long story short, somebody passed away and they passed over to the National Trust , some assets, which trust, some assets, which included a piece of land. The wishes , a memorandum of wishes wishes, a memorandum of wishes essentially said that the owner of this land wanted it to be used , for recreational purposes, used, for recreational purposes, free of charge. Im trying to get to the point as quick as i can on this. The National Trust have now decided essentially to turn over this land instead, to help them meet their biodiversity , conservation and biodiversity, conservation and eco targets i. E. Not for the wishes of which it was intended. Its one of those rare moments, i think, michel, of real disagreement between us, because as long as you think the National Trust should occupy this then they have in this position, then they have in a privilege our national a privilege in our national life, theyre have life, then theyre going to have the ability to do things like this. And i think you can still the ability to do things like this. Land i think you can still the ability to do things like this. Land i thinibeing an still the ability to do things like this. Land i thinibeing used ill the ability to do things like this. Land i thinibeing used for use land thats being used for biodiversity forth, biodiversity and so forth, for recreational purposes. I mean, it seems to me this is a single piece land. Oh, well, much piece of land. Oh, well, much bigger are then bigger issues for me are then posthumously outing people as being gay from history or being gay in, from history or self flagellating over supposed slavery of the people whove been kind enough to give them land in their wills. So i think the National Trust has completely lost its direction. But if you to pick but if you want to pick evidence, this is be the last place i regard this place id start. I regard this as legitimate change of use, james. So from what i can work out here, i mean, firstly, i think its a mistake to turn over something been a sports something thats been a sports pitch a long time to another pitch for a long time to another use. But now i might have this wrong because im not an expert in it, but it seems to me that one of the potential real benefits of leaving the eu was that we would change Common Agricultural policy and so how we did subsidy for the countryside could change. And thats what michael gove brought forward. And within that, its forward. And within that, its trying to move , landowners trying to move, landowners towards biodiversity and so on. And it seems to me that if the National Trust is doing this in order to follow those new regulations, those regulations need a because if its need a tweak because if its encouraging, its taking some land which already has a good social use, i. E. Land which already has a good social use, le. A sports field thats good for the environment. Its good health, its good its good for health, its good for society. They should its good for health, its good for another y. They should its good for health, its good for another bithey should its good for health, its good for another bit ofy should its good for health, its good for another bit of land uld its good for health, its good for another bit of land that take another bit of land that they have around the corner in. Im assuming whats on a stately home, and therefore theyve got plenty turn that into plenty of it and turn that into the biodiversity plot. Me, the biodiversity plot. So to me, it seem like this is it doesnt seem like this is really about the really a story about the national all. This is National Trust at all. This is a story how do our how we story about how we do our how we regulate land, use. And it regulate to land, use. And it seems like something which was well meaning. I actually think well meaning. I actually think im being very friendly to the government here, much more than i would usually. A well meaning attempt to change us from Common Agricultural policy to something that biodiversity that does more for biodiversity has some flaw in it, which could be tweaked, wouldnt have be tweaked, and we wouldnt have this of i this is this kind of i think this is more a National Trust policy, more of a National Trust policy, though, just what though, because just to say what they say theyre they say, they say theyre committed creating 25,000 committed to creating 25,000 hectares of wildlife hectares of new Wildlife Habitats provide more habitats by 2025 to provide more opportunities with opportunities to connect with nature. Nature. And they also promote ethical consumerism an important way consumerism as an important way of life. By supporting farms and its aims. Those are legitimate aims. And gather from and moreover, it. I gather from the pve and moreover, it. I gather from the ive about the article that ive read about this that the land concerned was rented, leased by the local rented, was leased by the local council, and the lease is up. Well, you know, uses change when your lease runs out. So are you not a fan of the National Trust . Not at all. Broadly not at all. But the point here is the lease and the people who lease is up and the people who arent seem arent giving up the lease seem to think they have the to think that they have the ability to insist on still using it when lease gone. It when the lease is gone. I mean, absurd as saying mean, thats as absurd as saying someone commercial someone can squat in commercial property for as long as they like. Wasnt it, i just from the article wasnt it . The wasnt it, i just from the articlehad wasnt it . The wasnt it, i just from the articlehad no wasnt it . The wasnt it, i just from the articlehad no fee snt it . The wasnt it, i just from the articlehad no fee attached|e wasnt it, i just from the articlehad no fee attached to it. Lease had no fee attached to it. So you can see how a community thought you know, thought that. Well, you know, were always going to have this. Not how law works. Thats not how the law works. Thats not how the law works. Going to have were always going to have this anyway. It doesnt this pitch anyway. It doesnt seem with alex this pitch anyway. It doesnt seenit with alex this pitch anyway. It doesnt seenit doesnt with alex this pitch anyway. It doesnt seenit doesnt seem with alex this pitch anyway. It doesnt seenit doesnt seem to h alex this pitch anyway. It doesnt seenit doesnt seem to h alat that it doesnt seem to be, a kind of really much of a culture war issue. It might be a, it might be a misapplication of some rules, which is what i guess it is, without knowing that much about it. Or it might be a legitimate use of change, of use of land, which is alexs position. Im almost out of time, but very, very one my very, very quickly. One of my viewers, peter, national viewers, peter, says National Trust purpose. Trust is not fit for purpose. They a work Pressure Group they are a work Pressure Group that british history. That despises british history. Just very quickly, do you agree with or not, no. With that or not, no. No. But i mean, i dont know a tremendous amount about it, and im i was very surprised about six months ago came about six months ago when i came on and started ranting on and alex started ranting about on and alex started ranting aborthe first i had heard that was the first i had heard that apparently everyone, you know, that some hate it. It that some people hate it. It seemed its a stately home place. My view remains unchanged, on squatting penny says i squatting penny says michel, i dont the in squatting, dont see the harm in squatting, people are homeless, buildings are empty, so it doesnt make sense. No, she says, surely. Doesnt it make sense that someone else can the benefit someone else can get the benefit out it . As long as theyre out of it . As long as theyre peaceful . I dont see a problem. Would someone occupying would you want someone occupying your it . Your house, squatting in it . As long as peaceful without long as theyre peaceful without your permission . Thank you. Your permission . No, thank you. Id them the id be grabbing them out by the scruff of the neck, yanking them straight out of there. If it was my tell you that straight out of there. If it was my free, tell you that straight out of there. If it was myfree, michael tell you that straight out of there. If it was my free, michael says. You that straight out of there. If it was myfree, michael says. Yorhome for free, michael says my home was in five weeks. Was squatted in for five weeks. I live in a tent. It is i had to live in a tent. It is awful. He says the council wouldnt do anything. And then they me pay rent for they made me pay the rent for they made me pay the rent for the that i couldnt live the weeks that i couldnt live in carol says in my home as well, carol says no, have the right no, you shouldnt have the right to people wrecked no, you shouldnt have the right to buildings people wrecked no, you shouldnt have the right to buildings as ple wrecked no, you shouldnt have the right to buildings as well. recked no, you shouldnt have the right to buildings as well. And ed these buildings as well. And annette people annette says if people break into a property that does not belong them, then theyre belong to them, then theyre breaking simple, breaking the law. And simple, they arrested, they should be arrested, she says , alan says michel, this is says, alan says michel, this is not about empty properties. Its about who do they belong to. If its empty and its been empty for years, it is that the decision owner . Look, decision of the owner . Look, time flies. James. Alex, thank you much. Up next everyone. You very much. Up next everyone. Farage. You wont want to miss this. Hell be bringing you up to speed everything thats to speed with everything thats been in brussels from been going on in brussels from me. Nanites a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Hello, and welcome back to the latest update from the met office. Some showers will continue overnight, but otherwise it turns drier with clear spells. And it turns chilly in places. With our air now coming from the north, thats a cold direction with isobars out opening out as well. Lighter winds will mean a greater chance of a frost. There will be widespread clear skies across the uk as the showers fade away, although 1 or 2 showers will continue across Northern Ireland, parts of wales and the southwest, more especially for northeast scotland, the north sea coast as some of the sea coast as well. Some of the showers in northern scotland will be falling snow because will be falling as snow because its a cold night. Its going to be a cold night. A touch of frost here there as touch of frost here and there as we off wednesday. But we start off wednesday. But beautiful skies for many of beautiful blue skies for many of us, through this us, particularly through this central swathe uk. Central swathe of the uk. I think still the north and east of scotland, Eastern England seeing a brisk breeze from the north and some showers, also some showers elsewhere from the word go, but generally turning dner word go, but generally turning drier many places by the drier in many places by the afternoon, albeit rather cloudy. Northern ireland seeing rain arrive and it will feel cold here. Seven celsius not much better elsewhere. 11 to 13 degrees at their highest in the south. But thursday starts off bright once again , chilly in bright once again, chilly in places, and we keep the brightness across the south and south east well into the afternoon, whilst the cloud thickens across the north and northwest with outbreaks of rain moving south across scotland, Northern Ireland and Northern England , the rain clears up on england, the rain clears up on friday. The weekend looks very nice indeed. Nice indeed. Looks like things are heating up boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news. Good evening. Im joining you live from brussels, where ive been attending the natcon conference. Which the Belgian Police tried to close down. No alternative views are allowed in this city. We must all support ever closer union. Or the old bill will come and take us away. Bill will come and take us away. Joining me here was the former home secretary, Suella Braverman. Ive had a very long chat with her about the current state of the conservative party, and whether rishi should man and whether rishi should man up and leave the echr. I also asked her what brexit voters effectively betrayed by the conservative party since 2019 and as i speak, members of parliament in the house of commons are voting on a smoking ban. Does it make any smoking ban. Does it make any sense . And is there an argument that says if you ban things or over tax things , it actually over tax things, it actually makes things worse . But before all of that , lets get the news all of that, lets get the news with polly middlehurst. With polly middlehurst. Nigel, thank you and good evening to you. Well, the top story from the gb news tonight, downing street the attempt downing street says the attempt by brussels to shut by police in brussels to shut down