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This is gb news across the uk on tv in your car, on your Digital Radio and on your Smart Speaker by saying play gb news. This is britains news. Channel good evening. Well its not as if i didnt warn them. I told them that the implementation of an eu common asylum policy, which basically said anyone that crossed the mediterranean and set foot on eu soil could stay. I warned them it would be a disaster here i was in 2015. Suspect that it is a shock. It would be a hell of a shock to many european citizens, including the british, to understand that we have already agreed a common european asylum system and what today is about and todays resolution is the direct implementation of it. The problem, ladies and gentlemen, is this the definition for who qualifies for asylum are so wide they include not just people coming from war, not just people coming from war, not just people coming from war, not just people coming from failed states. Mr juncker this morning seemed to suggest that perhaps it would even include people who were fleeing poverty. Maybe i am fleeing poverty. Maybe i am sorry. We simply cannot accept sorry. We simply cannot accept countless millions. Well, i countless millions. Well, i stand by every single word of that. And yet the millions started to come in 2015 and 16. And whilst its gone a little bit quieter across the mediterranean this year, the numbers that have come into italy are double what they were last year. And look at what happened to lampedusa over the weekend and over 10,000 young men arrive arrived across the med in small boats. 200 small boats. This wasnt med in small boats. 200 small boats. This wasnt organised by some random trafficker. This was almost a military scale operation. An this was an operation. An this was an invasion , almost double the invasion, almost double the population of the island around arrived over the course of the weekend. And some of those who weekend. And some of those who thought maybe they wouldnt be accepted began to get pretty aggressive. Now, this has to led aggressive. Now, this has to led the Prime Minister of italy, Giorgia Meloni, who was elected on a platform of stop the boats. Shes been in lampedusa with the unelected president of the European Commission , ursula von European Commission, ursula von der leyen. And meloni is saying der leyen. And meloni is saying , please help. We want the European Union to share these people around and we want a European Navy to try and stop the boats. As for the eu itself , those people are the very people i was criticising using in that speech in 2015. All she can say is she wants to establish safe and legal routes for people to come into the European Union , none of which is European Union, none of which is going to stop the boats and you can see in much of this debate that some very, very similar patterns with what we have in this country with rishi sunak enoch saying stop the boats unless the European Union or italy itself send people straight back to libya and tunisia. Many, many millions tunisia. Many, many millions more will come. And im going to more will come. And im going to speculate this will destroy the European Union , destroy it European Union, destroy it politically , and i think in time politically, and i think in time destroy it socially to sorry for that bleak prognosis is do you agree with me . Please let me know. Farage at gb news. Com will joining me now is anand menon, director of uk in a changing europe who joins me live from oxford. Well anand im speculating that if this goes on if this is the second really big wave of those crossing the mediterranean, it may well be a rapidly changing europe. Rapidly changing europe. Well, i think youre absolutely right to point out that this is the sort of crisis that this is the sort of crisis that the eu really struggles with, because when it comes to burden sharing, europe always fails to get agreement. And at fails to get agreement. And at the moment, what you see is some states like hungary and poland basically saying, were basically saying, no, were not going take part in this going to take part in this scheme, were not going to share people come to italy. Thats people who come to italy. Thats your not problem. Your problem, not our problem. So theres no doubt so i think theres no doubt about eu is going to about it, the eu is going to face a really severe test if these numbers keep coming over to. To lampedusa. Yeah, mean, the is, yeah, i mean, the truth is, adam, whats these adam, whats to stop these numbers from i mean, numbers from coming . I mean, there back , little there is no push back, little signs of pushback in greece that we last year, but no sign of we saw last year, but no sign of that from italy. No sign of that that from italy. No sign of that from georgia. Maloney. I mean , from georgia. Maloney. I mean, whos to say that the numbers that dont come this year and next year arent enormous . Where are they all going to go . Well , i are they all going to go . Well, i mean, i think its unfair to say the eu hasnt done anything because maloney and von der leyen were over in tunisia a few ago signing a deal few weeks ago signing a deal with tunisian government with the tunisian government to try get their help in try and get their help in stopping coming across. Stopping people coming across. But is genuine problem. But it is a genuine problem. There of there are large numbers of people, many of whom would qualify under our international or Italian International commitments Asylum Seekers to commitments to Asylum Seekers to stay. And europe doesnt have stay. And europe doesnt have a solution in sight. Solution in sight. No, i dont think it does politically and weve already in europe seen quite a significant rightward shift. Weve got, for example, in sweden, the swedish democrats in Coalition Government in germany, we now have the afd polling over 20 nationally and up in the high 20s, early 30s in parts of the former east germany. Maloney of course, is the Prime Minister of italy and le pen is now the bookies favourite to become the next president of france. Are we next president of france. Are we about to see europe move not just to the right but possibly genuinely to the far right . I mean, i mean, the first thing i would say is those polls from france i would always take with a pinch of salt because they always tend a few years out to be slightly hypothetical. And of course its round of course its a two round system designed system that is designed precisely like precisely to prevent people like le pen from from winning. But there is no doubt about it in a context of living context of a cost of living crisis plus spiralling numbers of immigrants coming in, that is Fertile Ground for the far right. And theres a real danger in politics that these in european politics that these parties keep on doing parties will keep on doing better under those circumstances. Parties. Yes. So mainstream parties need to find some kind of answers those problems. And answers to those problems. And at theyve been answers to those problems. And at slow theyve been answers to those problems. And at slow to theyve been answers to those problems. And at slow to do theyve been answers to those problems. And at slow to do so. Rve been quite slow to do so. Now we can look from here in the uk at whats happening in lampedusa and in Southern Europe and political that and the political divisions that weve but of weve just talked about. But of course it is, is course the truth of it is, is that virtually everybody that crosses channel in crosses the English Channel in an inflatable dinghy has first come across the mediterranean. So what is happening at lampedusa does have serious implications here, too, doesnt it . It does. In it does. I in it does. I mean, its it . It does. I mean, its worth it does. I mean, its worth beanng it does. I mean, its worth bearing in mind that the numbers here are very, very small compared to the numbers that are coming in to places like italy across the mediterranean. But yeah, the people that come yeah, the more people that come in southern in via europes southern border and that, and it stands to reason that, you know, the more people will make their way northern make their way up to northern france and come here, france to try and come here, albeit stressing that albeit its worth stressing that the far smaller the numbers are far, far smaller here than they are there. Yeah, no, no, absolutely. Mercifully, the numbers here are smaller, but, you mercifully, the numbers here are smaller, but , you know, i mercifully, the numbers here are smaller, but, you know, i just take the view that if double the number so far this year have crossed into italy, that will have a knock on effect here. Any prospect of the European Union saying enough of this is weve got to start sending the boats back . I back . I think its very , very i think its very, very unlikely because the eu is bound by the same International Conventions that were bound by under which people coming here have the right to have their asylum claims assessed and people who qualify under those rules will be allowed to stay. I rules will be allowed to stay. I mean, one of the problems in a lot of european countries, including our own, is were simply processing people simply not processing people quickly but enormous quickly enough, but enormous backlog and backlog in processing. And that doesnt help the situation. It is a mess. And manon, no, it is a mess. And manon, thank you very much indeed for joining us again here on gb news. Lets go direct to rome and speak to josephine mckenna, italian freelance journalist at josephine. Welcome to the program. And Giorgia Meloni , program. And Giorgia Meloni, this firebrand , this breath of this firebrand, this breath of fresh air, elected as Prime Minister of italy and one of the really big strong pledges that she made was that she would stop the boats, she would stop this huge tidal wave of people coming in from africa. And i would in from africa. And i would speculate , listening to her speculate, listening to her language at the weekend, politically , shes already in politically, shes already in some trouble. Some trouble. Yes , i think, nigel, youre yes, i think, nigel, youre correct there. Were starting to see her numbers under pressure. See her numbers under pressure. The latest polls show that the brothers of italy party is still running at around 30. But theres an indication from the recent surveys that people are running a little bit scared now and theyre worried about whether she does have the capacity to turn back the boats i yeah, i mean, to me , the odd yeah, i mean, to me, the odd thing, josephine, is , is shes thing, josephine, is, is shes elected as somebody that wants to stand up for italy and for italian people and shes going to take a tough line with the European Union. But effectively, what i saw was her begging the Commission President , ursula von der leyen, saying the European Union must come to our aid. The European Union must help the European Union must help the European Union must help the European Union needs a proper navy. Its as if shes abdicating that response ability to the European Union , which i to the European Union, which i would have thought from a eurosceptic stick, was the last thing i would have expected to hear. Hean well, i think to her credit, nigel, she has reached out. She has visited various countries. Has visited various countries. She joined with the European Union recently as your previous speaker mentioned to finance, send some finance to tunisia to try and stop the boats and create some sort of Economic Development in tunisia. Obviously, thats not working. And i think with the disasters were seeing in morocco and libya just in the last couple of weeks , were going to see a lot weeks, were going to see a lot more people looking for the exit route because there is nothing in those countries. Weve also seen the coups in Central Africa , pressure still in sudan. So people there are looking for a way out. And i think its going to be an uphill battle for Giorgia Meloni to stop the boats from coming. From coming. Yes, i mean, youre quite right to mention those recent natural disasters. Most of those that came at the weekend spoke french are coming from the former french colonies , many of former french colonies, many of which to quite deeply which appear to be quite deeply impoverished trouble. So impoverished and in trouble. So we may be looking, given the definitions and i pointed this out back in 2015, we may be looking i mean, seriously at many, many millions to come over the course of the next few years. Surely at some point, the course of the next few years. Surely at some point , surely. Surely at some point, surely at some point, voters in italy and elsewhere in the mediterranean often start to seek much more radical political alternatives than Giorgia Meloni i well, hm imam well, first of all, i think millions is a little extreme. Weve seen 130,000 arrivals this yean weve seen 130,000 arrivals this year, 130,000. Thats double the previous year. Uh, and not all of those people, as you know , of those people, as you know, will stay in italy. They will move to other countries through the asylum process, which is not working that effectively. Today, working that effectively. Today, the meloni government announced a new range of measures, including increasing repatriation , as i think thats repatriation, as i think thats a little ambitious. Weve seen a little ambitious. Weve seen that that hasnt worked very well in the past. But if they could step that up a bit and increase some of the Naval Operations in the mediterranean to try and stop the boats that may or may not have an effect, i still believe that millions is getting a little bit stratospheric at this point. Well, i tell you what, well over 1. 5 million have come since 2015. So you know, it may take a couple of years. But you see, the point that im making, i agree with you. I think there are there are increasing problems in many parts of africa. And the numbers, who knows . And the numbers, who knows . Joseph mckenna, thank you for joining us live from rome this evening. And folks, can you see it . Its a very similar debate it . Its a very similar debate and problem for an Italian Government as it is for a british government. You can go on promising people youll stop the boats. You can go on giving money to tunisia , to france, but money to tunisia, to france, but unless you physically stop those boats, take those people back, stop them paying the traffickers as there is absolutely nothing you can do to stop this from going on year after year and from the numbers becoming simple , early, enormous and all of it, as you heard in that interview, all of it, because were trapped by the European Convention on human rights , something that was human rights, something that was written and voted on and agreed over 70 years ago for a post war world that was a very different place to now. This morning at 10 00 sharp in central london, liz truss gave a really major pubuc liz truss gave a really major public speech. I was there in the audience, as indeed was gb news economics editor Liam Halligan. In a moment, we assess halligan. In a moment, we assess does liz truss still have a powerful message and would also ask why have thousands of jobs been lost at port talbot in south wales . Is it all because weve opted to go green your listening to gb news radio show. Show. So i asked you, will, what is happening in lampedusa . The happening in lampedusa . The implications of this . Will it destroy the European Union . Henry says our government is doing nothing and neither is the eu. N0, doing nothing and neither is the eu. No, henry, youre right. And i explained before the break because their hands are tied with the echr another viewer says, why . Good point. This why if hungary and poland can refuse Illegal Immigrants , why can we Illegal Immigrants, why can we not do the same . Reason is that not do the same . Reason is that actually theyve got rather tougher governments than weve got. And yvonne says its totally out of control. Its dreadful and its frightening. Well, i think it is deeply, deeply concerning. Certainly at a social level. And there is a social level. And there is going to be a huge political knock on to now. Liz truss gave knock on to now. Liz truss gave a big speech this morning. She a big speech this morning. She is wholly unapologetic for the things that she stood for in her brief period as Prime Minister for as evidence, she said , well, for as evidence, she said, well, look, i talked about removing the tourist tax, the vat , the the tourist tax, the vat, the daily mail are now running a big national campaign. Its hard to disagree with that. But there are still some lingering questions and gb News Business and economics editor Liam Halligan asked her after her speech. One of the really Big Questions youve come in for a lot of criticism, i think its fair to say people pointing fingers at you, people today saying that you crashed the economy. Why should we listen to you . Why is that wrong . Thats simply not true. The fact is that Mortgage Rates have been higher than they were when i was in office. Since i left office. And also the gilt rates, the Government Bond rates have been higher as well. So the problems that we have now were not created by me. I was trying to fix them and they are still there in our economy and this is why we need to change. The fact is government is too big. Its now spending 46 of gdp. Thats nearly half of in every pound spentin nearly half of in every pound spent in britain is spent by the government. And i want to see a Free Enterprise economy where businesses can succeed, where we have less regulation, and we need to work hard to get that Liam Halligan joins me now. She she hasnt changed her mind on anything. Is she . Mind on anything. Is she . No, i dont think so. She certainly hasnt changed her mind on her own importance. And as she sees her place in history and her role. Look, liz truss is and her role. Look, liz truss is and her role. Look, liz truss is a former Prime Minister she could be out there on the speaker circuit. Shes not going to get Boris Johnsons style fees, but shes going to get pretty big fees. Shes still a former minister of the uk former Prime Minister of the uk and yet taken this and yet shes taken this anniversary a year from her anniversary a year on from her mini budget, which did roil the markets. We can talk about why markets. We can talk about why that happened. Shes again that happened. And shes again putting herself up for a lot of criticism. And she gave a very punchy at the institute punchy speech at the institute for government, kind of lovey for government, a kind of lovey think tank the middle of think tank in the middle of whitehall thats centre whitehall thats broadly centre left. Naturally not liz trusss left. Naturally not liz trusss home turf on any by any definition. And she was very, very assertive. She said the reason my policies failed is because even though i was elected off the back of them by the tory faithful, there was massive pushback from the blob from over powerful administrators , from leftie administrators, from leftie bureaucrats, as she put it. I mean, she looks at the economic side of the bbc in the eye and said, you are part of the problem, feisal, because you are asking me questions like that. Endless questions will you apologise . Will you apologise . But when it comes to the bank of england, example, she has a england, for example, she has a point Liam Halligan she does. England, for example, she has a poini Liam Halligan she does. England, for example, she has a poini askedialligan she does. England, for example, she has a poini asked hergan she does. England, for example, she has a poini asked her aboutre does. England, for example, she has a poini asked her about thises. England, for example, she has a poini asked her about this and and i asked her about this and she was a little bit reticent maybe to go there because this is are really deep waters. Is these are really deep waters. Did bank england did the bank of england effectively oust her by doing things gilts things that undermined the gilts market in the run up to her mini budget and doing mini budget and then doing things strengthen the things which strengthen the gilts and therefore gilts market and therefore Mortgage Rates when you know her nicey nicey adults the room nicey nicey adults in the room successors. Rishi sunak and jeremy hunt came in and i think that the bank of england did do that. And thats what the record shows. And the imf, the bank of england, did something called quantitative tightening in the days mini budget, quantitative tightening in the days basically mini budget, quantitative tightening in the days basically mini ltheyet, quantitative tightening in the days basically mini lthey throw which basically means they throw billions of pounds worth of gilts government ious at the gilts or government ious at the market, which of course makes it harder if a politician is saying we are going to borrow a certain amount of money and then when truss was out the door, they then reversed that and did something which supported the market. So made it made it market. So it made it made it look as if traders were euphoric. And hunt came in. When sunak and hunt came in. And yet still we had the rates are now higher. Mortgage rates are now higher. Mortgage rates are now higher. Mortgage rates are now much higher the are now much higher than at the height her mini budget. Height of her mini budget. Look, you know, we had the white the white house, we had the international a International Monetary fund a lot of people were against her presentation. And kwartengs may have shes still have been poor, but shes still fighting for on these points. And mentioned my little and i mentioned in my little talk daily mail picking talk in the daily mail picking up example. So up the campaign, for example. So she some very strong she has got some very strong points. But liam, what was really happening in that room today, my view, today, in my view, putting a political than an political hat on rather than an economic is what shes economic one is what shes really is lost the really saying is weve lost the next gone. Its next election. Thats gone. Its done. This is a battle for what the conservative party is going to be post defeat of the next election. I agree hearts and mind what she is saying is that the conservative party needs to start making free market arguments again, the kind of free market arguments that they began making in the late 70s and early 80s when britain was at a similarly low ebb. Were not fighting the trade unions these days, said liz truss. Were fighting lefty truss. Were fighting lefty blocking bureaucrats and the blob. Were fighting big vested blob. Were fighting big vested interests that dont want houses built. Were fighting an anti Growth Coalition and its clear that at least 100, 150 backbench tory mps disagree with her. They want net zero, they want High Corporation tax. They dont mind the fact that the government is now 46 of gdp rather than 34 as it was before blair and brown back in the year 2000. And yet there are still lots of people on the backbenches, and liz truss would say out there in the country who want low taxes, who want the net zero, 20, 30 target the ban on new petrol and diesel sales to be pushed back. And she was clear on that who want more free market policies the kind of policies that get growth going because its clear its unanswerably true that britain has not really got out of second gear pretty much since the Global Financial crisis and certainly not since covid. Yeah, we are middle of the pack. Were not languishing as everybody thought we were, but we are only middle of the pack and meant to be the and we are meant to be the dynamic economy on this side of the atlantic. And become the atlantic. And weve become corporatist and statist. That is our argument. Id say a lot of people agree with her, but not too many people in the broadcast media know. But i think shes got i personally believe, very personally believe, some very strong, now, strong, powerful points. Now, talking the talking of net zero and the labour big pitch is the green jobs revolution in how is it working out in port talbot with the steelworks . Well, this is sort of bidenomics, isnt it . Bidenomics basically means the same big spending policies of the 70s, but with a kind of green gloss on them. And lets hope that the markets accept all this money that were going to borrow. So, paul wales is paul talbot in wales is britains biggest steel plant. Its been owned since two thousand and seven by tata, the indian conglomerate employs about 4000 people. Nigel massively important to that part of the country and massively important the uks important to the uks strategically that we have a domestic steel sector. Does anyone care about that anymore . I think i think i think people in industry do. I think people in industry do. I think people that think deeply about these things do. I dont these things do. But i dont think much of the kind of think again much of the kind of anti Growth Coalition in the nonh anti Growth Coalition in the north London Dinner Party circuit, as liz truss would characterise it do. Lets just have a look at tata, as i say, employs 4000 people, but its moving as part of this green revolution from regular blast furnaces much less labour furnaces to much less labour intensive electric arc furnaces and so theyre going to go from about 4000 jobs to 2000 jobs, a crushing blow. And look, the trade unions dont like it, even though ed miliband likes this stuff. You know , keir starmer stuff. You know, keir starmer likes this stuff. So we sack a load of people by going green. But on top of that, have to chuck in that, we have to chuck in hundreds of millions of pounds of subsidy. Government is ponying so the government is ponying up trillion im sorry, up half a trillion im sorry, half of half £1 billion is the logic. £500 million. Tata would say theyre putting in 1. 25 billion and they are. But look, billion and they are. But look, the gmb dont like this. One of the gmb dont like this. One of the biggest trade unions. Listen to gary brown, whos the general secretary who is not an extreme union leader. Hes not red robbo from the 70s. Hes a relatively moderate guy and i know you think that to our country cannot be secure, gary smith. Be secure, says gary smith. Without functioning domestic without a functioning domestic steel , he and workers steel industry, he and workers must the heart of that. Must be at the heart of that. This of course, a tory this is, of course, a tory policy, but labour want to go even faster this net zero. Even faster on this net zero. And have we done . And what have we done . You say, strategically, we as you say, strategically, we produce there are produce less steel. There are more women out of work. More men and women out of work. The taxpayer has to pile in money. The up will be told, money. The up side will be told, is uks co2 emissions will is the uks co2 emissions will be cut by 1. 5. But are china moving to electric cars . Moving to electric cars . Well just end up importing loads of steel thats created with with blast furnaces. Exactly made and then therell be the extra Carbon Footprint of transporting an extremely heavy commodity, a made commodity, you know, plus tariffs possibly so it doesnt really make any sense. And look, think about this. Think about the windfall tax right on on north sea oil companies, 75 now of their profit goes to the government, which of course, makes almost all the fields completely uninvestable , which means a lot uninvestable, which means a lot of the small british companies, not the Big Oil Majors in the north sea these days, its small, highly indebted. Local companies that are trying to wring extra oil, oil and gas out of these fields. If you suddenly go from a 30 tax rate, which is what it was to a 75 tax rate, all Business Models are out the window, projects stop, people are laid off. And again, this is something that labour want to go even harder on. And again, the likes of the gmb, labours bread and butter supporting unions are saying , whoa, hold your horses. Saying, whoa, hold your horses. Well, i say this is strategic. Well, i say this is strategic. I sense liam. Its not just the gmb. I sense that on this issue, as with some others , i issue, as with some others, i sense the disconnect between the westminster elites and the country is growing. There is a big disconnect. Again, the north London Dinner Party circuit will say this is all good. How can you possibly oppose this green stuff . The only reason youd oppose it is because youre thick, right . Thats its knuckle draggers thats the its knuckle draggers , all the rest of it. And yet if you are a Third Generation steelworker in port talbot and these are good, reasonably well paid skilled jobs for local people from a very proud part of the country, and they are knocking out world class steel and they dont want to be greened off the map, if you like. And the unions will push back. And the unions will push back. And it strikes me that this is an even harder conundrum for labour than it is for the tories, because its those two parts of labour that the islington tendency that want everything to be and everything to be green and people out there blue people out there with blue collars who saying, you collars who are saying, you dont, dont even know dont, you dont even know youve born, trying youve been born, youre trying to to us and you are to do this to us and you are upending the lives and livelihoods of millions of ordinary people. Ordinary people. Will go on making the liam we will go on making the rational, logical arguments. Rational, logical arguments. Thank you for joining rational, logical arguments. Thank you forjoining me. In a moment, another great stupidity, hs2. Were now told it wont go hs2. Were now told it wont go to manchester. It wont even go to manchester. It wont even go to euston. You cant believe it. And i will also in the next segment, make my first public pronouncement on a man that i do not get on particularly well with. His name is Russell Brand. All of that in just a moment. Youre listening to gb news radio. Radio. It was only going to cost 35 billion and then it was going to cost 50 billion. Then it was to going cost 80 billion. And the advance is now 100 billion, maybe 150 billion by the time we finish. Oh and it wont be finished until 2041. That, at least, is what the farce that weve with hs2 , to which weve had with hs2, to which ive been deeply sceptical about from day one. But now it would seem the Prime Minister rishi sunak, has poured cold water over the whole thing by saying no, actually it wont. It be no, actually it wont. It be extending beyond birmingham to manchester. And interestingly , manchester. And interestingly, labours pat mcfadden , speaking labours pat mcfadden, speaking on the subject, has not guaranteed that labour would continue hs2 from birmingham to manchester even more extraordinarily, it now looks like it wont even come into euston, but it might stop six miles away at old oak common, meaning by the time you get off the london underground, get up to old oak common, get the train to old oak common, get the train to birmingham , itll actually be to birmingham, itll actually be slower than the existing service. Now the argument that was for hs2 was we needed more capacity for passengers and that somehow there was this vast economic benefit in getting up to manchester 20 minutes more quickly. Well, ive thought for quickly. Well, ive thought for some time the whole thing should be shelved. But Miranda Barker is chief executive of the east Lancashire Chamber of commerce in burnley. And i understand , in burnley. And i understand, miranda, that you feel differently about this. You think hs2 could make a difference to the north west, so please tell us all. Thank you. The reason we think this is a good idea for the north of england, for uk as a whole is because if you have more capacity to be able to put people on hs2, you then have more ability to move freight. And i mean really highly competitive freight all around the uk and overseas because when we talk to our competitors for our highly profitable aerospace, automotive, low carbon tech markets across the north of england, they say that our problem with our uk product in the rest of the world is its too expensive and too slow. And thats because we cant ship it. And okay, well, look, i mean, miranda. Miranda, you know, its good to hear somebody making the freight argument. It rarely gets made. And given how awful it is to drive up the m6, you know the argument we could move more freight by rail. I buy into. But you dont need speed. You know, 180 mile per hour railway line to move freight. Do you you need extra capacity and thats why you need an extra line because you need an extra line because you cant obviously put slower freight trains in between something where you are trying to move people in a couple of hours to and from manchester. Value is in having so the value is in having a whole new line. Yeah. Well, look, ill tell yeah. Well, look, ill tell you what, we could build very, you what, we could build a very, very line freight, very cheap line for freight, i suppose. But miranda, i mean, you , first off, we were you know, first off, we were told it wouldnt be completed until 2041. Now were really doubting its ever going to happen at all. I mean, this isnt going to happen, is it . Its the its the government. And i dont care what colour government its the way government its the way government deals with major problems. The Major Projects. Thats the problem. They set up thats the problem. They set up the Infrastructure Commission originally so that it would help us do Major Projects across the uk without this ridiculous extending of timescale and budgets going up and up and up. But because that Infrastructure Commission and governments way of managing Major Projects is so inefficient, it allows this whole, you know, rolling on and on and on, getting less and less efficient. And it then makes them into this kind of joke that we hear today that its not even going to deliver the basic requirements that were originally planned for. I think we look at way that we need to look at the way that all governments, whatever colour, kind of colour, handle this kind of investment. So we dont look like laughing stock. Like a laughing stock. Well, i agree with that. Miranda whether the miranda whether its the Scottish Parliament that ran ten times over budget, whether times over the budget, whether its seem be very , its hs2, we seem to be very, very bad at this. Thank you very much indeed. A disappointed Miranda Barker from Miranda Barker there from burnley in the north west of england. Now the newspapers have been dominated by as have the broadcast. Yes, it is the Russell Brand scandal, broadcast. Yes, it is the Russell Brand scandal , the Russell Brand scandal, the channel 4 Dispatches Programme , channel 4 Dispatches Programme, and the Research Done in conjunction with the times and the sunday times newspaper. And now, got to be honest, i am not a big fan of Russell Brand. He was this hard left activist and i finished up being against him on question time in 2014. Heres a little taster of that evening. Well, russell, thats all. Thats all well and good. And thats all well and good. And youve got your point of view. The question was, is britain overcrowded . And do you think im wrong . I mean, i mean, do im wrong . I mean, i mean, do you do you think nigel could not be more do you not think do you not wrong . Do you not think this is called question time, this programme, right. Well, tonight you could have another. What happens is, as members of audience ask questions of the audience ask questions and were expecting to answer them. You havent answered this ladys you think ladys question. Do you think britains and there ladys question. Do you think braains and there ladys question. Do you think bra strain and there ladys question. Do you think bra strain on and there ladys question. Do you think bra strain on public and there ladys question. Do you think bra strain on Public Resourcese is a strain on Public Resources and peoples quality of life . Need responsive we need a more responsive pubuc is we need a more responsive public is it Public Resources. Where is it going come from . Not overcrowded. Well, that was Russell Brand, and ill never forget just before going on air, he had his own two personal make up assistants, and they were combing his chest yes. Combing his chest hair. Yes. They before we went they really were. Before we went on. So i thought he was on stage. So i thought he was really rather loud, incredibly coarse , rather rude, probably coarse, rather rude, probably very badly damaged by drugs. And very badly damaged by drugs. And as for his behaviour with women and other people, well, i dont know. Its not for me to judge. Know. Its not for me to judge. Theres no evidence being produced there are four people, maybe five now, that have come out of the woodwork. But anyway, what gives pause for thought . What gives me pause for thought . You see, i understand that through his Youtube Channel and much else, he upset some much else, he has upset some very powerful people. Hes upset very powerful people. Hes upset big government, hes upset big pharma. Hes upset bill gates and everybody. But if you go out and everybody. But if you go out there and upset people, big, powerful people, youve got to be pretty clear for that. Theres nothing they can really hit you back with. Well just have a think about this. Hes 2010 autobiography, which was called booky wook, had this quote in it. What kind of a man was i treating women in this way . If this is what im telling you, can you imagine whats being left out . Im not here to prejudge his guilt or his innocence , but there are many innocence, but there are many other things in his own autobiography that hes written about his behaviour with women that are disturbing , abusive and that are disturbing, abusive and not very pretty. In a moment, were to going talk about the nhs, the waiting list is now 7. 7 Million People are waiting for procedures and yet the nhs will go on spending many millions and employing hundreds more people work on diversity and inclusion. Why . What the hell are we doing . Ill ask that question in just a moment the National Health service is to create 244 new post s in evolve with diversity and inclusion. This despite the fact the nhs has been to told cut down on waste and wokery. Now down on waste and wokery. Now when it comes to the dna agenda as its described, its one of the main reasons that i was debunked by coates. Yes, absolutely. Absolutely. You see, absolutely. Absolutely. You see, i didnt align with their values in the world of these people. In the world of these people. Job opportunities , job job opportunities, job placements are all about targets , targets based on race, sexual ality, gender and many other things. Ability, it would seem , things. Ability, it would seem, has almost nothing to do with it. And its why im so against it. And its why im so against it. But we are gb news and we believe you should hear all sides of the argument. And youre about to because alison malleck is director of equality and diversity uk and joins me live down the line right now. Alison welcome to the program. Alison welcome to the program. Tell me, how will it benefit a National Health service with a waiting list of 7. 7 Million People waiting for medical procedures, how will it help them . If we employ 244 more inclusion and diversity officers i i i think m i think weve got to think about the context and the context is, is that within those 7. 7 Million People, theres diverse city. And currently a lot of people are not having Equitable Services and therefore because theyre not having those Equitable Services, they are claiming against the National Health service and costing them money again. So its better that we think about the context. We think about what the needs are and the intersectionality within those groups and that we plan to deliver the equality and diversity is not just a buzzword. It really is about the principles within there as well. Sorry, intersex reality. Im guessing most of the audience will never have heard of the word what does it actually mean . Well, ill give you a classic example is that im of a different race. Im also a woman. Im a woman with particular age. Ive also got disabilities. All of those are intersectional and expecting services from the National Health service. I need to think about what my disability needs are , what my sex needs are , what are, what my sex needs are, what my race needs are, all of those things. And quite often weve got people who have got conscious and unconscious biases who are in the workforce working alongside the patient and sometimes the way that they behave and the things that happenis behave and the things that happen is not necessarily good for the patient or good for the hospitals themselves. So having those people in place will help and remember that part of that number that youve used is about those people that diversity and differences within there as well. So but i cant think, alison, of a more diverse Employment Organisation than the nhs because it seems to me that lots of young british doctors and nurses emigrate, go to other countries, get paid a lot more money and work shorter hours and have better conditions, and that actually the nhs has taken in people from all over the world, from the most diverse range of backgrounds. Backgrounds. Frankly , arent we just frankly, arent we just spending good money after bad . Isnt this already as diverse an organisation as it possibly could be . Yeah, you can have diversity without fairness and you know the statistics are 1 in 3 people who are ethnically diverse are discriminated against, and that staff within the nhs as opposed to 1 in 5 people who are white individuals. So you know that diverse city, just having the diversity there. And that does diversity there. And that does not mean that equity exists and inclusion exists and belonging exists and weve got to change that. Wouldnt it be better , wouldnt it be better, alison, to live in a world where we treat everybody equally . We we treat everybody equally . We really dont give a what their sex or gender or race is. Were not interested at all. We just treat them as human beings and do our absolute best to treat everybody equally. Wouldnt that be a better, fairer and really a far sounder way for us to live . Yeah, i think that when you say it like that, i think about people with disabilities and, and you know, if youre in a wheelchair treating everybody the same doesnt work for you. And you know, if youve got dyslexia or neurodiverse city that doesnt work for you. So you need to think about those individuals as individuals and tailor your services to their needs as well. And sometimes thats not happening. Its one size fits all and its really important that that begins to happen. Well, i wonder whether we can afford all these things. But afford all of these things. But alison, thank you for joining me on the programme and putting your of view. Thank your point of view. Thank you very much. Well there you are. As i said, gb news and we as i said, its gb news and we hear all points view. One of hear all points of view. One of the that really was quite the views that really was quite shocking this morning when shocking to me this morning when i to hear liz truss speak, i went to hear liz truss speak, was that up to 150 conservative Members Parliament . Members of parliament . It appears bent on appears as will be hell bent on going for net zero, hell bent on keeping the state big and keeping the state big and keeping taxes high. But liz truss was there and was very resolute. I, by the way, dont resolute. I, by the way, dont for a moment think shell ever become the leader of the conservative party again. I dont for a moment think shell ever become Prime Minister again , do think some of the , but i do think some of the things shes arguing for are really rather important. Im joined by sir jacob really rather important. Im joined by sirjacob rees. Mogg joined by sirjacob rees. Mogg jacob, i was there this morning. I was fascinated. I felt what was going on. Was she was putting down a marker , not so putting down a marker, not so much for herself , but for the much for herself, but for the ideas of entrepreneurship , of ideas of entrepreneurship, of hard work, of success. I felt really what she was doing was beginning the debate that will happen within your party when youve got crushed at the next election. Well, i cant quite accept that very last rider that youve snuck in. Well, lost then, but we have to have the discussion on on Economic Growth, dont we . The state in this country is too big Public Expenditure is too high and it doesnt make Public Services better. If we had this wonderful paradise of Public Services with very high taxpayer expenditure , it might be okay. Expenditure, it might be okay. But its not. You talk about the nhs, you talk about people applying for things from dvla or trying to get in touch with hmrc. I know things arent working to talk about migration and small boats , which we do small boats, which we do regularly with very, very high taxes. We havent got the Economic Growth we need. What liz was trying to do a year ago was to get some Economic Growth. She an important figure in is she an important figure in this debate going forwards, in your opinion . This debate going forwards, in youi opinion . This debate going forwards, in youi mean,1 . This debate going forwards, in youi mean, shes an important i mean, shes an important figure in two ways. One is that shes making the arguments and the is that last year the other is that last year didnt work. My about didnt work. And my worry about last that what was tried last year is that what was tried is deemed to be the problem rather than the deep seated lack of product diversity. The ladies that suddenly whacked the gilt market shocked us all, shocked us all, which the treasury didnt seem to know anything about. The bank of england didnt know anything about because a lot of its pension fund was in these ladies. And so herideas fund was in these ladies. And so her ideas about a small estate , her ideas about a small estate, a more efficient state, people keeping their own have keeping their own money have been slightly affected. So is it. So is it. Is it. Is it. Yes is it. Is it. Yes so i wonder, the one thing that i was pondering, does so i wonder, the one thing that i was pondering , does that that i was pondering, does that mean shes the wrong messenger for. I dont think so, because she has to take responsibility for what happened last year and therefore, she needs to be able to explain why she did it and what she thinks is essential about it, that we should be talking about in future. And then others can pick it up. And i assume that they will, because the current recipe for our economy isnt actually working , economy isnt actually working, is it . Not at any level, it would seem, and not just in this country. I mean, europe is worse. I mean, europe is worse. I mean, europe is worse. No, jacob, i actually think she i think she does play a rather important role. And i think we need others to coalesce around her. She cant just be seen to be there on her own. I was surprised more mps werent there. There. I dont know who was invited actually. So i as far as im aware, i wasnt asked though. I might well have gone along if i had been. Im very sympathetic to what shes saying, so that may be a reason a lot of mps werent there. But youve seen in that liz did in the last year that liz did what she did and weve then had a basically treasury model, treasury , bank of england model treasury, bank of england model for the economy. How brilliantly for the economy. How brilliantly is that working . Yeah, no , no. And she made yeah, no, no. And she made those points very strongly and very passionately today. Jacob, very passionately today. Jacob, state the nation coming up state of the nation coming up with just a moment. But with jacob in just a moment. But the weathers changed. Autumn is here. I promise you. Here. I promise you. The temperatures rising in boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Weather on. Gb news. Hello. Very good day to you. It is going to turn very wet and windy as we go through tonight and into tuesday with some heavy rain strong winds arriving. Rain and strong winds arriving. For many of us looking at the bigger picture. And the bigger picture. And heres the front that brought heavy rain earlier but our earlier on monday. But our attention is turning to low pressure out in atlantic, pressure out in the atlantic, which to turn things which is going to turn things even unsettled through the even more unsettled through the rest of today. Then there are some clear skies, particularly across parts, also across eastern parts, but also plenty flowing in plenty of showers flowing in from. Some of these from the west. Some of these heavy, them thundery and heavy, some of them thundery and were to see things were going to see things turning cloudy turning increasingly cloudy overnight wet and overnight with some wet and windy from windy weather pushing in from the after perhaps a chilly the west after perhaps a chilly start the temperatures start to the night. Temperatures will pick through the early will pick up through the early Hours Tuesday so it hours of tuesday morning. So it will a mild start tomorrow will be a mild start tomorrow for but a cloudy, for most of us. But a cloudy, wet and windy one. You can see the rain is going to be widespread, heavy for some, particularly parts of particularly across parts of northwest western wales northwest england, western wales here, could really see totals here, we could really see totals building next day or building up over the next day or so. A cloudy for so. But a cloudy picture for most and windy one with most and a windy one with coastal gales, perhaps some sunshine towards northern parts of temperatures near of scotland. Temperatures near normal for the time of year. But in the wind, the rain under the cloud, its going to feel pretty unpleasant. A wet and unpleasant. Also a wet and unsettled day as we into unsettled day as we head into wednesday. Further outbreaks of rain, why those totals rain, which is why those totals likely to up. Likely to continue to build up. You see rain gradually you can see the rain gradually pushes way eastwards as we pushes its way eastwards as we go through the day with then showers following in behind. These and these could still be heavy and perhaps thundery at times staying much staying unsettled through much of the week, but of the rest of the week, but perhaps something drier for a spell end friday. Spell of time to end friday. The temperatures rising. Boxt the temperatures rising. Boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Hello. Hello. Good evening. Its me, Jacob Rees Mogg on state of the nation tonight. Last week , sir keir tonight. Last week, sir keir starmer was in the hague in holland and he has since trotted the globe over to canada and is set to meet the french president , Emmanuel Macron , president , Emmanuel Macron, later week. Before his later this week. Before his travels, starmer was cleverly positioning labour as a party of low taxation and limited greenery. However, he has greenery. However, he has recently stumbled , threatening recently stumbled, threatening mass migration and a return to eu negotiations. How serious are eu negotiations. How serious are these blunders . Has the battle these blunders . Has the battle of the boilers been victorious . Several weeks ago we announced former environment secretary george eustices crusade against the governments upcoming ban on oil boilers. And it just so happens that the Prime Minister is considering scrapping the ban, which will affect 1. 5 million homes of people who live off the gas grid. Victory could be on the horizon for the affected british regions. A year on from the truss kwarteng mini budget the former Prime Minister has hit out against the Economic Establishment that has for too long chained britain to a future of stagnation and low growth. But did we try to, in her words, fatten rear and slaughter the pig on market day . And as the Charity Watchdog announces, charities are free to pursue political agendas in spite of all the alienation that comes along with that, what does the future hold for the National Trust and wokery . After all, how trust and wokery . After all, how do you conserve if you believe in perpetual marxist revolution . State of the nation starts now