Ends us with the world at home on the high plains This is High Plains Public Radio 91.5 hits e.x.p. Bush 189.38 cd 8 style heart streaming online at 8 p. T. R. Dot org your business or organization can gain greater public awareness and the appreciation of listeners by becoming an underwriter of High Plains Public Radio is it h.p.r. Dot org and look under the support tab for details. B.b.c. World Service it's 7 hours g.m.t. Welcome to Weekend with me Julia more. Coming up it's 20 years since and he puts male landmines webapp and signing of this a story treaty at the very end of the century this generation's pledge for the future is a bridge across the millennium but campaigners are now warning that landmines and similar devices are claiming a growing number of victims most of the program will be spending storing how will the u.k. City of Culture possibly with the help of some robots. Compete as the lights and music but this is so eloquent they still greet their own the design by human beings and also with me the help of my 2 non robotic guess the documentary maker Sean McAllister Rosie Miller chair of the whole u.k. City of Culture factual here on weekend after the main news. I'm certain I can touch with the b.b.c. News Hello Donald Trump or suggested that his former national security advisor Michael Flynn is a victim of a rigged system he created that Mr Finn's life has been destroyed by the investigation into alleged Russian interference in last year's presidential election earlier Mr Trump courted controversy by indicating that he fired Mr Flynn in February in part because he'd lied to the f.b.i. From Washington here's Laura Baker once again because of a tweet the u.s. President isn't brawled in a controversy over Russian meddling in the u.s. Election he said he'd fired General Flynn because he lied to the vice president and the f.b.i. It may be a mistake in his tweet but it seems to suggest the president knew Michael Flynn had lied to the f.b.i. The former head of the f.b.i. James Comey has testified under oath that Mr Trump tried to get him to drop the investigation into Michael Flynn the South Korean coast guard says 13 people on a fishing trip had been killed in a collision between a boat and a fuel tanker a rescue operation is underway for the boat's captain and another person who is still missing of the country's west coast no casualties have been reported among those on board the tanker the accident happened out of the port city of in Chan t.v. Footage showed rescue divers searching the hull of the upturned boat. Aid agencies are warning that the number of deaths and injuries from anti personel landmines is on the rise 20 years after their use was banned by international convention many countries of stop using land by use but groups including Islamic State of made their own improvised devices Eric told of them from the International Committee of the Red Cross says it's a worrying situation we see that much more improvised land mines homemade mines of being used and we're able to where we need to do more we've seen something dropping over the past few years and this is highly disturbing one of the world's most prestigious opera houses the Met in New York is investigating allegations that its former music directors sexually abused a teenage boy in the mid 1980 s. The Met said it was deeply disturbed by news articles about James Levine Grandsir it reports James Divine is one of the world's best known conductors he made his debut at the net in 1971 resigning only last year after suffering ill health the Opera House says it's trying to determine whether accusations of sexual misconduct true so that it can take appropriate action the alleged victim 1st told police about abuse which he said lasted 30 years in 2016 he says he was 1st assaulted when he was 15 years old police are investigating the accusation but no charges have been brought Mr Le Vine is reported to have denied wrongdoing world news from the b.b.c. . The Cambodian prime minister Hun Sen has taken part in a special prayer session of the ankle was temple complex along with $5000.00 police monks it was the 2nd day of a ceremony to celebrate peace and stability. Since then the who's been in power for more than 30 years with the blessings from monks and joined in the chanting of prayers and mantras. For Justice in The remaining in capital Bucharest have stopped a Christmas market from being set up in the square which has been the site of anti-government demonstrations by dismantling its metal structures they accuse the city authorities of trying to prevent further rallies against attempts by the governing Social Democrats to decriminalize some corruption offenses all full board members of the British government body which monitors efforts to improve social mobility have resigned in protest at the lack of progress then through the chairman Alan Milburn Alex Forsyth reports Mr Belbin said he had little hope the current government could make the progress necessary to bring about a therapist and he said it was understandably focused on Grex it and didn't seem to have what he called the necessary bandwidth to match the rest of healing social division with the reality his resignation along with his 3 fellow commission is is undoubtedly damaging for tourism a Downing Street said it had already told Mr Mehlman it's time to appoint a new chair as his term of office has ended a statement that the government was committed to fighting injustice and has made good progress the United States has withdrawn from a global deal designed to help migrants and refugees the Us ambassador to the un Nikki Haley said her country was proud of its immigrant heritage but she said decisions on immigration policy must always be made by Americans alone b.b.c. News. It's 6 minutes past 7 g.m.t. Welcome to Weekend from the b.b.c. World Service with me Julie Morricone I'm live in Hull today a city on the English East Coast which has been famous over its centuries of history for fishing for trading for being a port city now famous certainly in the u.k. But I suspect further afield as well for being the u.k. City of Culture and that's why we're sitting here in a cafe called Feeding Harry's on the dockside of how this morning it's still dark at this hour but I'm hoping we might see some sunshine in the next 60 minutes or so sure MacAllister is with me throughout documentary maker who curated made and how that was an event which marked the start of the City of Culture a year and rosy Mullard is here with me journalist broadcaster and chair of the how u.k. City of Culture we touched on made in how short at the start of the program you tried I think to bring the fishing heritage to the old city and as part of what you did before we talk about it we're going to hear a snippet here it is. That was a short order flavor give people a wider idea of what they saw and. Well it was compressed into about a 15 minute surround sound experience really projected into 3 buildings and in Victoria Square in the center of how and it celebrated I suppose the last 70 years of living history for the people of the city really. We tried to to to not. So the major thing the in a way the untold stories I'm living when I'm back of my 90 year old parents and I think those people lived through the war felt that this city is the 2nd most bombed city in the u.k. Having been recognized for that and so that was one made major move because the heyday with the fishing industry was celebrated the you know the lead that the lives that were lost at sea was another until story so those were the major themes and I think with the wind turbine industry and the future for the 1st time I was coming back and grown up here in the eighty's in fact it was around and we just remember joblessness and hopelessness for the 1st time those her there is hope and there is excitement in the city so it was it felt it was a celebration is a celebration of our past and it's a celebration of for the 1st time that the world is looking in on hole and we were saying we are whole and it was you know triumphant and rosy in terms of launching a year like this how much of some of the sounds and the images from what Sean has just described stayed with people for months all I think with people it was incredibly moving. Says it was a local trial and tragedies of Hall. Done in a in a totally overwhelming way and totally. Absorbing and. Away which was just. Went over people like like just grit it was just extraordinary because it was sound and light and and on an enormous scale and it is really in a world quality so you have this local story done in a spectacular way and people were just standing in the square his pouring down their faces because it's all their city and their stories really launch and that has never happened before on a personal level sure when you know that it's your work that kicks this whole thing off how much pressure do you feel and. It was it was quite a lot of pressure but it was supported by world class team of people so that was you know a lot of that was alleviated and distributed amongst a lot of other professionals and we were all going into an unknown really I mean no one really knew if any you know literally the night before people were coming up to me from my family and friends you think anyone's going to come watch this I was about to rape is like if you come up with a fantastic idea you're thinking I'm pretty pleased with this Rosie your thinking I think this is going to work but there's an element of both of you thinking I don't know how people are going to. The day before Christmas. And. I was just totally blown apart blown away behind it and all the trying the way back down in London I was sitting in a carriage with with a very well known and distinguished person from the city and he said it all sounds great but will a calm and I just thought oh come on this is cynical actually they will you know I've lived you know I've. Been reporting on and on and commentating on the all. Me is and I've seen a lot of stuff and this is one of the greatest example I ever see that I knew actually that it was that it was weird but I've come from Rosie and from Sean throughout the program you had a tour. The would be Turner Prize winners half an hour ago Well now to contemporary art on a much grander scale prepared for some unusual sounds from the city's streets. Which for expound you can hear company one of 4 giant installations here in the center of how bringing the City of Culture year to a close it's called Where Do We Go From Here. For the moment even Trinity square against the backdrop of the biggest church in the city. Are a series of large metal orange. On the top of big black plains and they are very slowly and very gracefully. Moving slowly 1st one way and then the other. And at the end of each of those is a joint like shooting a beam of bright white light sometimes down to the ground sometimes around the square and sometimes up into the night sky. Dampened very cold leaving the stage it's a small but serious crowd. Going around and around. And then you. Take just a little thing. And then you have the. Computer lights and music and. Well they're obviously designed by. The man who's concept that this is Jason Bruce. Here is explaining what it's all about. Where do we go from here to by few things we were commissioned. That transforms some of the spaces Now town of Hull and it's the bookend of the end of the Can a year of culture the city of hell and therefore there is a kind of question about one's next but also about navigation so very much. Where do where do I go I mention the robotic element because these orange metal machines that I've described they will once building move to cause when they so yes indeed the. Robot arms orange 66 Act is a movement. Very much like. The movement they kind of inversed kinetics a kind of bend in it's my they move in a certain way they even have a hand which is called an effect and usually in a factory that will have a welding tool or a kind of paint spraying device or some kind of hand that climbs onto objects. Mirrors speakers luminous things that will create this kind of. But. In supplying between the architecture the environment and these Luminoso kinetic performers formerly known as industrial robots as a final thought going back to where we began with the name of the installation where do we go from here you hinted at this that clearly there is a question now isn't there for this city and for the people who live here about what they do next you know existed because this year of culture is about. Absolutely I mean it was on many levels but I think obvious. It set a precedent for cultural activity artistic activity creative activity. Or create a new audience. The kind of the people of holiday. Mazing kind of platter of choice of. Music installation and a price ballet projection mapping now artistic robot intervention and that's going to carry on show I'm just absolutely hoping that. I can. Move on to the more and that will happen. That was Jason Bruges describing his extraordinary artworks art installations which are in 4 different sites around the center of how called Where Do We Go From Here which perhaps Rosie made out is a good opportunity to ask where do we go from here but we certainly don't stop. We've come to the end of our special. Or the whole. The title City of Culture until 2021 but it's very very important for us to. Say to people across the nation but particularly people and how this is not going to. Deliberately. Run on into the. Exciting things happening in Egypt. And then we have I mean almost the 1st conversation I had. With legacy Actually it was the 1st conversation we had been planning legacy since 2014 and because it cannot and I mean they would just be no point to it it's often the hardest part about any project you look back at the London Olympic Games or indeed any Olympics and people talk about the legacy will manner of good intention but it doesn't always says there are several forms of legacy of buildings and the Olympics is a good example of that and you know my daughter us why. I am an adult of the other day in the Olympic pool and that is legacy small children from London sitting up and down this beautiful 50 meter pool. And all buildings here those going to be in the conference center. Which is not new it's all but anyway totally refurbished the phones are going in totally. Bricks and Mortar legacy is also the legacy of memory which is very very important if you've been here particularly feel young person if you've. Seen your i Phones you know Katy Perry. People the queen Prince Charles people turning up and of knowledge in your own your. Role ballet that is Bible and then this legacy of actual things you know we want to carry on with the culture company which produced how 2070 carrying on as as an institution which has a national import little save put continue to produce astonishing a wonderful big spectacles and show me all the test of an event like this is how much it has reached out and going back to the legacy scene can continue to reach out to people who previously wouldn't have thought culture not was really there back. I think now how can you test the success of that element of. Well I'm on a personal level of just look I've been enjoying going to the events but also just watching and experiencing it through the eyes of different people in each event and a lot of I remember Martin server the beginning the whole thing is about is about giving people something that they can relate to but then taking them into some element of the site is an education down a corridor that they've never been down before that will open up different ideas not a tuna says and I think the outlook to Bragg's it and everything in the city 12 months later is a lot there's a lot different than it was at the beginning for a lot of people that have a largely also because I think people. Don't feel left alone make note there you know just just just before you come back in the break to point is interesting we will explore it a bit more than in the final hour of the program because the politics of the city are interesting it was a city that voted resoundingly to leave the European Union 18 months ago more than 2 thirds said yes let's get out you think that's that's moved a bit I've noticed and then the guest you can have a little later when I've been filming Steve on his opinion has changed. And a lot of people are now apart from the lie that was that was obvious of a 350000000 I think people did feel ignored left alone an alienated in this city and this city isn't unique there's a lot of places like that across the u.k. Where you want to come back. Yes I just want to say that that was why this year has been so astonishing is it has not been a bunch of people parachuting walking down the Berlin Wall that since all people pass using you know very very easy walking this of patronize him but it wouldn't have been like that and history of of all his listed with with well meaning people who've done projects in an area where they have done just that Tash been rejected resoundingly and quite rightly what has happened this year is that people have seen one which is interesting and demanding but moving and accessible and we like it and we're going to go to the next one so we have seen extraordinary pieces of non-narrative art very very sort of. So we need things happening in a cemetery strongly things of fire and. Song and in extraordinary locations and thousands of people turn up every time I have a 9 to 10 to. 90 percent engagement in the city this is a this is a figure that all companies than any normally and most importantly every single child and young person involved every single 155000 children including hard to reach children children with disadvantage is it that that is at the core of of the whole year and if we didn't seek to do that we would have it would have been pointless Rosie militants or McAllister with me as we turn our attention to the main news of the day namely that the international convention that bans all landmines is 20 years old today they also were true as it was signed in the Canadian city on the 3rd of December 19th $97.00 the signing of this is a story of the very end of the century is this generation pledge sort of. Which are it's a bridge across the money on the right well that's the former Canadian prime minister Lloyd Axworthy speaking back in 1997 the campaigners are warning that the number of deaths and injuries from anti-personnel landmines or similar devices is on the rise and groups including the Islamic state group have made their own improvised devices where a toll of certain from the International Committee of the Red Cross says it is a worrying situation we see that much more improvised land mines so homemade mines are being used then we're able to we need to do more We've seen funding dropping over the past yes and this is highly disturbing but a charity that helps clear line land mines is also celebrating its 20th anniversary but the organization are popo employees very unusual helpless to do its work giant rat to explain how he is the B.B.C.'s Richard Hamilton. This is the sound of an African giant pouched rat being trained to detect landmines the process is known as positive reinforcement like Pavlov's dog the young rats learn to associate a sound with food 1st they approach a receptacle that contains explosives they hear a click and they're given food as a reward adventure into containers but only get a click and a reward if they go up to the one with the explosives eventually they enter real minefields where they can sniff out the landmines which give off a smell that is undetectible to humans but does this mean the rats could be blown up I put this question to a popo c.e.o. Christophe Cox Oh not at all the rats are too light to set of landmines Of cause we have very strict animal welfare standards because we were out with some many animals from the animals also very valuable to us of course takes now. Monster trainer rat so we treat them like the heroes they are yet another has cation by a landmine would explode in the vicinity of the rat Ok that's good to know because it we know when you 1st hear about this you think maybe the rats are going to explode themselves no no that has never happened so far the hero rats as they're called have helped clear more than 100000 landmines in 7 different countries including Angola and Mozambique where a popo played a key row in the country achieving mine free status 2 years ago the organization has also expanded its program to train the rodents to detect tuberculosis in Tanzania the charity has helped to increase TB detection rates by more than 40 percent. Of infected saliva cannot be traced by humans but it can buy the rats thanks to their exceptional sense of smell and that was Richard Hamilton reporting you're listening to the b.b.c. World Service I'm Jim Moret with weekend. It's just on 25 minutes past 7 g.m.t. Time to catch up with the sports news and here is Andy bubble and chilly and well Manchester says he will be looking to extend their club record of 19 straight sets his 12 of them coming in the English Premier League when they face after former West Ham United at the end she had stated today but the West Ham boss David Moyes has a cunning plan I think. I think I've got we can see that completely and for for what the goal the thing is what the goal is going forward the good people who can really create chances are not very critical and there have been for many of the games of our school nor the war so we've got to try make sure that we're in the game all the wing of some of it shows Manchester City saying that to sound today at the top of the table cut to 5.5 Manchester United you had a 31 victory at Arsenal yesterday that was asked to Spurs League defeat since January our boss Arsene Banga wasn't happy. On one green and disappointed really produce an excellent performances in action spirit and vision who have nothing to show for retorts a trick shot on goal in the game with much pressure it's a 1st on machine gun after 10 minutes with 2 new down by making stupid mistakes Chelsea stay 3rd winning 3 want to have a New Castle a 51 win it frightens Liverpool go top for some of the dice made a winning start has everything balls to deliver Huddersfield West Bromwich Albion the right coach Alan Pardew stories side troll nil nil against his old club Crystal Palace in Spain Valencia can make serious inroads into Barcelona's lead at the top of the table that little misty and Luis Suarez scored in the 22 draw with sounds of a guided bomb exploded advantage 5 points by Len c.r.a. Gets happy today an upset in the French league the pacesetters parasites for months after the 1st league defeat of the season in losing $21.00 it's transferred 5 Meeker up and up an 8 point lead now at the top of Germany's Dundas league up engulfed Tiger Woods strops out of contention in his comeback event Woods fired a 3rd round 75 at the Hero will challenge in the Bahamas to light 10 shots behind fellow American Charlie Harper lead from 14 on the par cricket 2nd of the Ashes Test Australia 380 for 70 games in Glade I don't date to the 30 s. Match in Delhi direct Kohli has made an undefeated double century for. India 505 to 6 in the 1st innings against Sri Lanka and we thank you very much indeed Andy ball well with the sport I should say in the interest of the people sitting around this table in thieving Harry's that Hull City got a 22 draw away to Sheffield Wednesday this it's a shame actually with the City of Culture having started the whole city went down. I was present when I. Said very large prize. Was created how big stuff by the Archbishop of York by reference to me and we all did trace the whole city. So I had prayed for the team. As may well be in the next few months you're listening to Weekend from the b.b.c. World Service on live from a hole on the English coast more to come from here in the next hour a summary of international news is now. Distribution of the b.b.c. World Service and the rest is made possible by American Public Media producer and distributor of award winning public radio content a.p.m. American Public Media with support from c 3 I o t enabling corporate industrial digital transformation with artificial intelligence cloud computing and I o t big data software solutions learn more at c 3 Po i.o.t. Dot com. 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About the latest international news media see news with her I can tell she President Trump has suggested that the former national security advisor Michael Flynn is a victim of a rigged system he tweeted that Mr Flynn's life has been destroyed by the investigation into alleged Russian interference in last year's presidential election earlier Mr Trump indicated that he fired Mr Flynn in part because he'd lied to the f.b.i. The remark provoked accusations that the president might have obstructed justice when he later asked the f.b.i. To drop its inquiry into Mr Flynn. A solution between a fuel tanker and a boat carrying passengers on a fishing trip in South Korea has left at least 13 people dead to take all including the boat captain is still missing and a rescue operation is underway the accident happened off the western port city of Incheon. Aid agencies say deaths and injuries from anti personnel land mines or similar devices are on the rise 20 years after their use was banned by an international convention they say groups including Islamic state now make their own improvised devices one of the world's most prestigious opera houses the Met in New York is investigating allegations that its former music director sexually abused a teenage boy in the mid 1980 s. Police have investigated the accusations against James Le Vine but no charges have been brought Mr Le Vine is reported to have denied any wrongdoing the Cambodian prime minister Hun Sen joined $5000.00 bodies monks for a special prayer session at the and call what temple complex your thirty's say the ceremony celebrates peace and stability in Cambodia thousands of Israelis have joined protests against government corruption and a draft law which critics say is intended to protect the Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu the legislation would prevent police from publishing the findings of their investigations into Mr Netanyahu who is suspected of involvement in 2 cases he denies wrongdoing in use. You're listening to the b.b.c. World Service I'm Julia Morricone live in how on the English east coast coming up in a few moments time a very special Christmas Carol yes it's really good doesn't it to know that that's where Sunday's additional sell good was the twist. Well Christmas came 1st are. More of a production to come I to get here in whole Rosie Mullard journalist broadcaster chair of how u.k. City of Culture and Sean McAllister a filmmaker who has been documenting the lives of the people in Hull now the city of culture of state says here is one talking point for us obviously but the other and we touched upon it a moment ago is the politics of this place especially in the context of Britain's decision to leave the e.u. People in how voted by more than 2 thirds to leave Alan Johnson was a whole m.p. For 20 years standing down before the June election earlier this year and he served in senior roles in the Labor governments of both Tony Blair and Gordon Brown We met at a venue which is an example of recent regeneration in the city an imposing aquarium and there is a attraction called the deep on the banks of the River Humber but before we discuss some of the recent positives for this city we look back to a time when whole was a center for the u.k. Fishing industry I stress was so what went wrong well fishing the collapse virtually overnight back in $74.00 and a remember the so called called was they ended with the British government agreeing with the Icelandic I would put $200.00 more fishing limit around the coast of ice it was crazy 10 miles that was the end how only of a fish in Arctic waters and when it collapsed the men were promised redeployment from Promise compensation redundancy they got nothing they were classified as casual workers not in top 20 thanks to the city's always been recovering from that and he was favors for fishing algae. Graphic isolation if you like our proximity to the North Sea actually was against us in getting manufacturing companies to come until very recently and also when you're a city that becomes associated with those kinds of statistics it's very hard to shake off the reputation that comes with fact it is I mean I refused to talk about the private community so I didn't consider any of the communities I represented here to be from life they will pull. Jobs you know they won't be private says it is still a huge community spirit stems from the fishing industry when the men went away for 3 weeks came back for 3 days and went back out for 3 weeks so sir Metreon Arkell city in that sense lowest number of car licenses driving licenses anywhere in the country stems from fishing but if you need a car when you're away work under the Northern Lights what are we seeing now do you think there will be a serious change in what you just outlined 2 things 1st of all the hombres position incentives of in your bills industry so Siemens came here and made their largest investment anywhere in the world in a plant in East all out assault adult manufacturing proper manufacturing jobs of the blades for these huge wind turbines and then the final assembly and shipping them out into the North Sea in the mater's of them so 1000 jobs up front that there's other jobs coming in as part of that supply chain and then at the same time almost exactly talk and with that with the scenes announcing the CNS not that we would be a City of Culture 2nd it's 23rd season when you're talking about the points you raise about. How difficult it is to get away from this reputation of being a deep pride few munity. City a culture of losing huge mass it lifted from arrivals of the city and lifted its reputation in other parts of the country. Where people who'd. Never been to hell with slagging off what about the politics of this city and the way it voted in the e.u. Referendum you were a prominent remain campaigner as you only too well know 2 thirds of the city voted to leave how do you square that circle why did that happen I think in the end it was immigration and then when the net migration figures came out a month before the referendum date and they were a record 481-3000 the prime minister had promised to get it down to the 10s of thousands was leading the campaign to remain European Union that his heart the issue became one of open borders and this is wrong we got to be able to have control of our own borders even though we were not part of Schengen So we do have control of this is there not a wider point here though about a disconnect increasing disconnect between politicians based in most people's eyes mainly of Westminster and those living a long way from London who just don't think there is any link at all between the way you and your colleagues used to operate in your case because you no longer a member of parliament and others still are and the people living here struggling to make a typical week work. Must be some of that I mean certainly in the sense of people feeling disconnected from globalisation that was meant to be so great for everyone why is it a good when you're unemployed and the statistics show that you not get much chance of finding a job and I don't think M.P.'s are disconnected by. M.P.'s today because of social media because they all have surgery I'm not heard of any specific m.p. Does that surgery you are in contact with your constituents much more than you ever were before individuals might feel that but there is that wider public view that somehow members of parliament are quote out of touch airport I think part that is a healthy do you in Britain that we don't put pictures on our walls of our of our politicians I just fail to go for this. Cynical argument that politicians are divorced from their communities and London is totally you know bereft of any sympathy for anywhere else in the country I think that's a kind of too simplistic way of looking at it. What I do feel is here in Harlem there is an enormous sense of optimism I want to see that carried through beyond the city of culture beyond seaman's investment so that this really is a start something big. That was Alan Johnson who was an m.p. In the city of Hull for 20 years before standing down prior to the election in June reflecting on current events and past events indeed with me yesterday at the deep joining us in the seating Harry's cafe here just as the sun begins to show well signs of life behind what is mainly Greece guy is more than politics lecturer at the University of Holies Welcome thank you good to see you smiling wryly at the prospect of people putting photographs and pictures of members of parliament on their wall it's not not the kind of thing we do in the u.k. It's not the kind of thing we do in the u.k. It's definitely not the kind of thing we do and how. Alan Johnson was trying to explain the BRICs vote and pointed towards immigration do you think he's right to a certain extent. I mean now I wouldn't presume to to suggest that everyone who voted for practice was doing songs and this is not a cheat of reason See that's the same in hell this isn't the rest of the country and there has to be an element of this yeah a lot of the polling that's taken place since has suggested that immigration was one of the major factors in explaining why so many people those beliefs but even within that there's there's a lot of other things going on such as well. And in the whole context for example it's part of a broader scheme of things happening to the place rather than you know it being about agency and having any control as I said immigration and. Tickler this perception of mass immigration since 2004 and the expansion of the European Union is something that happens to a place and people felt they didn't have any choice. In that sort of thing one of views. Last year you said polling has been going on obviously since I mean is there any meaningful shift in what people think now compared with what we thought the I guess as those anecdotal evidence in her definitely that there may have been a shift in certain parts of population but there's still a strong sense that that that leave is is the right thing still to leave is is is still what they feel I think an element here which some want to mention is that. The large amount of leaf sentiment was let's not it was a protest show people given an opportunity to say what they they thought for once so being told by politicians at Westminster and in the city council that remained was the right thing to do and when presented with a lot of people thought now I'm not going to I'm not going to agree with I'm not going to be told what to do so it was about showing some agency it was about making a protest and making the voice heard I think for a lot of people brags it is not a negative thing it's it's not. It doesn't have that sense it's it's about thinking how things could be done differently what kinds of different opportunities with that being in the future that there hadn't been so places like hell in the past you touched on something a bit ago I mean Sean Rose you both know the city well this idea with being slightly different simply because of its geographical isolation is quite important isn't it it's very important I mean I think it really does is how. It's kept sense he said many people either. My life he said to me I have never been to hell I mean there are few. Now because. People visiting her for the 1st time but even so you know I thought of a child with 2 musicians who played and hit helmets to. Wonderful concept. Telling more about its extraordinary nature different it is different from the others and the geographical isolation show I mean it can be a plus in this got it people rather like it. A lot of people never leave home I mean when I left here to really fall and a lot of people of my friends and family that live here don't really believe Poland if they do they just travel near by only on the cost. So there's a feeling of self sustainability some are as well I think what about that disconnect point later tonight Alan Johnson the idea of leaving aside the political persuasion of the individual members of parliament the people here and to a degree in other parts of the country feel that there is a great big gaping gap between what happens on the ground and what happens in Westminster. Certainly felt I think and you know you could see it definitely in the right so you can see in the sort of general sensibility as well again it's not necessarily a negative thing. But yeah there's different. People see themselves different and not find expressions in terms of the political behavior the City of Culture experience change the political view yet I mean. There may be some sense that. A lot of the themes of the city of culture about being would looking in things that we know about things have been said in the past is that it's very insular and would like to. Brag is the. Interface between whether we're looking out towards the right. This is the world out to sea Europe so yeah perhaps there's a there's a sense that there's a broader horizon broader perspective out there but I think also you know if the city of coaching is made a difference then it's partly in a sense that people feel as though their activity has some purpose and outcome that they can do things not just a place where decisions are made and things happen to help people take their own decisions and they can take charge of the situation thank you very much for the moment you're listening to Weekend from the b.b.c. World Service I'm Julie Moritur in the north eastern India city of Harlow. Before we move onto anything else let's have a listen to this. Children from a local school performing a workshop on how to make hip hop music which leads us to talk to another guest who's joined the thieving Harris because the true test you might argue of an accolade like the u.k. City of Culture is what happens when the year ends and we talked a little bit about that earlier how we'll hold Going from all this in 2018 and the years that follow all that Rosie was very keen to stress that she says officially the city of culture until 2021 Steve on out is here local hip hop artist who set up a project as part of the City of Culture called Beats buses ran between July and September but you wanted to carry on you I sure do definitely. We heard a little snippet of some children before me that give us a flavor what beat box was all about and what we did we designed the recording studio. And we took that into 5 Promise schools and we did shots in each promise go teaching young people about the true origins of hip hop hip hop was created to stop violence in the community imprint communities together that was the Detroit so we thought up the long fat with d.j. Brick dance in. Songwriting and we also did the Latin and development and confidence building as well what sort of reaction did you get as as you arrived and you had full school before school just like stop and stare didn't. Reverend say like we do that like we do that. So literally you turn up in a bus it's more like a lorry. Florissant I've seen it it's not a big bus written on the outside because of their what it's doing but if you're running a school I mean obviously the head teacher in each case knew that you were telling Yeah I had to go into the schools before and introduce myself and. Yeah Frank talk around go to school well that is going to be my next question did anybody think I don't really think that's a very good idea was basically doing double mass that morning and teaches children not. So I thought there might be a slight contrast so in terms of what they then took out of it what do you think people gain from taking part and one of the suits me the most of all. We went to enforce school and on the fast there was a young boy called Harvey who was banned from doing the whack job behavior very good on the 2nd day was allowed to do the workshop gave useful. When he when he got into it he could see and given it all so that was one of the reasons why we tried to improve his behavior and now. Yeah I got let back of his mom before we did. He had a really bad stomach and it was really nervous around people and. That's interesting and it was a graphic thing to fill I've been filming Steve after doing the opening events I wanted to then go into some our grassroots holes and look at what does all this mean having done the Big Earl pening What does it all mean for true working class people how can they really engage with culture and I came across Dave who was doing this series have this little dream to take it to the poor communities so it's his dream it's also for kids in the community and how how they engage read it and I think I'm wanting to follow the projects my film into next year because I think it's all about legacy so I want to really examine through this the micro the macro through Steve story really to try to eliminate what what what what it can hold for a city like home and it's also as you were saying Rosie earlier on about taking this event beyond the grand civic buildings in the center to where people are living outside the site I mean we wanted to we wanted to bring people into the set . Because how there was a sense it was hollowed out actually coming to the center so we wanted to bring people back in to remind about the center but actually we also do have to have and want to have and have had a massive community project we have a we have a project level back to ours which puts on small to medium size professional things companies going into schools and community centers in towns and holidays in the council we build almost every single secondary school. With fantastic. Except. In the holidays to put pieces on for people who don't feel it quite ready to come to the center of town and go to Whole toggles a new center that they can so they can still feel. Much of this experience changed you. Must simply. Now. You know if you change. A lot of people say this year is well I've never seen before. Just people talking and asking questions and. Certain things that we've never really talked about I think the culture has brought lies made a lot of people come out with yourself and see things. Usually do it and you want to control it like I said at the start you want to continue this project beyond the end of 2017 into 20 aging and beyond how do you in practical terms go about trying to do that and. What is right now is all right. I just wanted. To go. With his employer Yeah right this year my employer sponsored the project facor and I'm still not under present what their plans are going forward yet and Originally my idea was to take the recording studio to Stetson park where families can afford to travel to Mexico away to see what families can't afford to keep the kids bushfires every day so that was the whole idea be any more about recording studio so we could shop there and with our car get involved we went to schools this year the already at the conference with the schools and stuff so. Pick me forward I'd like to go back to the original plan which is to keep families that you know are not well off and. Sometimes. I go out on the street because it's got nothing to do and the funk trip over the summer I want to give. Steve good to see you thank you so much for coming along today Steve on if you're listening to Weekend with me Julianne Moore a. Reminder of the main international news President Trump has questioned whether Michael Flynn his former national security adviser who has admitted lying to the f.b.i. 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Now here in Hull you have heard examples of contemporary art that various stages during the program but there is room during the City of Culture year for some old favorites as well one of the city's main theaters the whole truck theater a production of a Christmas carol based on the much loved Charles Dickens novel has just begun and as you will hear it has a whole twist. My name's Amy and I'm their director of a Christmas carol here. A Christmas carol a novel by Charles Dickens the story of a man at any disgrace who and at the very beginning of the story he just thinks that in se it was about helping anybody else he wants given south and south and he's really stingy with his money and he hates Christmas and what happens in the story is he's visited by 4 different guys who help him kind of learn to let warmth and love into his house and said kind of enjoy the spirit of Christmas. It is an image people feel the story of and seems to be even more so at the moment what do you think that is I think if you think that yes there's a lot of productions of a Christmas carol here in the u.k. This year I really think there's something about the way where we are in the wells a kind of crisis we've got in Tempest refugees and of a kind of ways that votes have gone recently we looked at the story I think at the moment kind of give us a sense of how that actually maybe people can change their ways that maybe we should all be thinking about all the people as well as ourselves to a kind of a time when if I call is when there's a lot of poverty in the world and that's really big games within to console or a. Great space in the audience is very close to the stage it's all very open what effect is that how do you think on how people experience it well I think what's lovely about the state here whole truck is the thrust of the audience it's on 3 sides the stage and that's what the action is really for sit down interview with and it makes for a very intimate show but also it's only about the whole talk space is that it was the climactic it can kind of carry really big images and I think I'll design a hated Rendle has done the most the switch up of the say so I can't tell you how stunning it looks I'm and I think a louse that I sat in to say on the editing is that you want the guy so. Still to kind of really go really close in a tiny little spotlight with a scrutiny like a little car or you want to expand and feel like your income is sick and embrace it . What do you think of what you see Yes it's pretty it's really good experience and shown things and I think it was a good about the whole production Yes it's really good telling the treatment new twist on Late Edition also but it was the twist. Well Crystal says in verse. And it's a point about making the play relevant to the way written how if you're told have you done that well I mean what bring in whole I mean what an extraordinary time it's been for this database to take I want to really lovely cancer has done this sort of patient has set the play a whole so it's a real northern flavor the set is very much embracing the idea of warehouses and docks and the speaking and and it's lovely to kind of have it set here with that kind of north school feel to it and that consists of candy world could be down. That's the flavor of a Christmas Carol which is just started it's performances in a hole in the run up to and surprisingly Christmas I described it Rosie as an old favorite there is that sense when you organize an event like this is that while you want people to experience new things some of them want to feel comfortable with figures that they know a lot about Absolutely I mean the great thing about this year is that you know we've been it's not just been the City of Culture the 2017 team has been bringing all these new strolled and experiences to the city but the whole capacity of the arts provision in the city has. With the challenge so you have the Royal Ballet to the opera the New Theatre jungle but who's a much loved national playwright but playwright his expertise you Pat And he says how truck has got a wonderful. Example of a program of well. And the fans all calorie has been showing it's its own collection in a totally revamped gallery now this collection has beading. About it but somehow it had a kind of revival because the gallery itself was was redone refurbished and made that beautiful and. You're listening to the b.b.c. World Service. Today wrote him a lot of short McAllister the full international news bulletin coming up. Stephanie called talks candidly about money and not having much I grew up in a trailer I mean I knew I didn't have the best.