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Hello my name is Dave Emery and this is side 100 for the record Program number 483 an interview with Daniel Hobbs occurred this is being reported on October 31st of the year 2004 Once again it's my pleasure and privilege to present Daniel popsicle the author of among other titles welcome to terror land Mohamed on time the 911 cover up in Florida Daniel welcome back once again to our airwaves pleasure to be with you happy Halloween Yes indeed well why it's a day when people are imitating or thinking about spooks and in your book you talk about spooks of a very very different type and we're going to be talking about does some of these operations through which the September 11th hijackers in Florida appeared to have infiltrated the country and which certainly provided them cover up before we get into the hijackers per se one of the out one of the elements that you cover in your book is an apparent attempt on George Bush's life on September 11th and one of you would tell us a little bit about that imagine my surprise Ok Ok that's that was my. You know feeling about it when it went when I discovered it and I discovered it I mean it wasn't no one slipped it in there were 2 separate reports 2 separate news reports. The day after September 11th or several days after one on a local Sarasota t.v. One and a local Sarasota newspaper. Which when put together. To my clearly indicated to me that someone tried to kill George Bush at 6 am to begin September 11th. The evidence was it was inescapable and yet And yet how could I I couldn't credit it you know because I couldn't imagine a situation in which if that had happened he would not. Have made as much public relations a lot of that as he could. So as I examined it and I'll lay out for you the basics of you know of what the trip was and let you draw your own conclusions I realized you know if it was true that 4 Arab men in the white van tried to kill George Bush to begin September 11th and then whatever really happened September 11th you know is probably a lot different than anything I have even imagined. And if you tell us tell us about what the how that Iran attack or attempt was it was carried out who was involved what was the methodology. Well let me tell you Look I found 2 reports Ok I was I was operating on when I got to Venice. Friends cynical dictum that the only real news you get in anything big is in the 1st 2448 for 72 hours and so I examined. Closely I examined everything that was printed about September 11th in the local newspapers here in southwest Florida afterwards and then. I turned my attention to what had been aired on t.v. And that was where I found the 1st story the local n.b.c. Affiliate in Sarasota their investigative unit headed by you know again reporting the Monica you had all of. Discovered that a Sudanese man had made a credible threat. To the life of George Bush the night before the morning of September 11th in Sarasota where Bush was staying. Ok Ok. Man had gone 1st to the Sarasota Police and they immediately turned him over to the Secret Service and the Secret Service raided 3 locations and took a whole bunch of people into custody and the people they took into custody news reports then said were half a dozen Sudanese nationals Well you have to picture Sarasota Florida it's a lot like say Saratoga and Silicon Valley Ok Ok half a dozen Sudanese nationals in you know I mean what were they doing in Sarasota pricing retirement real estate you know looking to buy Katherine Harris's old voting machines it was just like completely you know amazing that that hadn't been the case but the news reports you know and the a.p. Did a story on it said. You know yeah they that he took these people into custody and yeah one of them had gone. You know to the Secret Service with the report. Fears of an attack on the u.s. And on the president but that the Secret Service had ruled that it is all been coincidental and had nothing to do supply every level. Well obviously that that strains credibility why do you think do you think they well you know I don't don't quote me on that but it certainly seems a little strange to me. You know and to her credit it seems strange the local n.b.c. Reporter Monica get off and she tracked down. The people that had been taken into custody and learned that they repudiate they belonged to the Sudanese Liberation Front. Sudan is. In a perpetual civil war right between the Arab Moslems and the Christian animists and God you know and whatever else they have and so apparently there were there were you know there were a good half dozen dozen. People in that outfit in Sarasota and when I asked outloud why that might be the answer came back that that. For an gorillas had been trained here and this part of this little stretch of Florida had been used in covert operations since before the Bay of Pigs Yeah you know the well will God get into some of those historical links in time permitting idea if we have time in the near the end they think they lead right back right up to Porter Goss always has because the island you step Island is where they trained the Bay of Pigs guys which is right next to Sanibel Island where Porter Goss moved in 1070 and you step Island today is is a private island the richest private island in the country you know let's let's touch on Porter Goss for a 2nd then I want to draw a revert back to the subject of this apparent attempt on your website you have a picture that was taken in Mexico City a few months before President Kennedy was killed and there are some very very interesting people at this particular gathering one of them appears to be Porter Goss I wonder if you'd flesh that out for us and tell us who some of the other notable personages were at this particular soiree Oh well that's the whole story. I discovered in I spent 2 years writing a book about CIA pilot and drug smuggler Barry Seal and I had access to SEALs on archives which had been combed through. In 1905 I learned by 7 persons State Department detail but they had not gone through the contents of the widows seals say and in that safe one day which she was showing me remembrances Ok she pulled out this. Picture unlike a picture you know the kind you know they take in a nightclub and then you know you want to give you a copy of it later for 10 bucks right there and it had been taken in a nightclub in Mexico City and said that the little label on January 21st 163. And. In the picture was were 10 men. Well dressed men and black suits and skinny ties celebrating something clearly. Having a laugh have a night out and I discovered very quickly. And because it's obvious that they were this was a photograph of the CIA's super secret assassination squad operation for 40 right and. Identified 4 of the people 4 of the 10 men Ok I was positive and up to id in my book they're in the boys and those 4 were Felix Rodriguez who sitting front left that was unmistakable. Is an anti Castro Cuban who was a veteran of everything from the haunting of Che Guevara through the Iran Contra imbroglio Yeah Felix is one of the boys absolutely go ahead. So Felix is in the picture and there's another guy I was unable to id and then there's Barry Seal a chubby looking 24 year old daredevil pilot Barry Seal right on the other side of the table is unmistakable that William Houston Seymour now I don't know Williamson Seymour from Adam Ok but I had to read through the assassination literature and discovered that that book of you know the serious researchers seem to seem to believe that when you didn't see more had been used to impersonate Lee Harvey Oswald you know set up a legend form. Least a few places yes and by the way for people not familiar with the Kennedy assassination investigation during the time when needs a really hard because it was like I've got a secret Wright was in the Soviet Union there were people impersonating Lee Harvey Oswald and doing various things that would help to create a legend all over the American Southwest Daniel Wright and they said this is one of those guys. Sitting next to him is Frank Sturgis Frank start is of course the Watergate burglary and once again a veteran of what makes the whole Bay of Pigs thing at that time calling himself Frank Fiorini so I hit paydirt Ok and. The 1st person I showed the photo to was was a man who was involved in intelligence in and out with various fields since 1964 in Laos Ok and he almost leapt out of his skin. You know he did everything but demand the negative which I'm sure he would have if you thought he could of. It was amazing to see the reaction there weren't supposed to be any pictures that were supposed to be any pictures but but there it is and that is a. You know that's my contribution and I think I think you know that's a big chunk of America's secret history and one snapshot is and I wouldn't sell yourself short you made an awful lot of other contributions not the least of which is welcome to Terra land but I would simply note in passing for the listeners that we had the controversy about the outing of Valerie Lama Joseph Wilson's wife in a CIA covert operations officer there is a great deal of rancor between the CIA and the Bush administration one wonders whether perhaps Porter Goss a person who would least circumstantially not only as a matter of record a former CIA officer former on quote CIA officer but somebody who quite literally probably knows where the bodies are buried was put in there in order to perhaps ensure that George Bush doesn't become one of those bodies politically or in point of fact you know let's let's jump back now to the issue we've got we've got a report on on n.b.c. About a credible attempt to the country and the president. Delivered to the Secret Service in Syria so to where Bush is the night before the attack right the Secret Service takes it seriously enough to raid 4 locations. Pull in a bunch of people that were never seen again. And and then say it was totally coincidence it was there was nothing there please move on Ok. But then you had a story in the local paper that placed the 1st or I just told you in a whole different light and this story God bless local people Ok you know local cops local firemen you know people that aren't in on the joke that this will skip the mouth shut right this was you know members of the night this was just a local fire captain who had apparently been asked along. By Bush for his morning jog with the entourage they jog at 6 in the morning he's at the Colony resort along Gokey this is this is the fire captain on Longboat Key So he shows up at 6 in the morning and he's there when an extremely curious incident happens that in hindsight becomes you know pretty pretty amazing for men in a white van pull up to the guard shack one of the hotel identify themselves as Arab journalists there for a $615.00 interview around the pool with Bush after his morning jog that's been set up for them by and he gives the name they gave the name of the Secret Service the Secret Service agent. The Secret Service agent at the check bless him. Send something and refuse them an access. But giving them. The number to call in Washington to get access in other words the Secret Service guys you know was going to let him in because they didn't have access but he wasn't sure they were who they said they were so he gave a number you know a p.r. Number in the White House to call you know to you know try to set something up for them share. That's the story they turned they turned away. And it turns out that the exact same ruse had been used 2 days earlier on September 9th to assassinate the head of the Northern Alliance probably the Taliban's chief in Afghanistan suit. So it can't this can't be coincidence it beggars the imagination that this was not a credible assassination attempt and that. These 4 men posing as journalists gain access to the colonies. Blown George Bush to kingdom come. That it's revealing that that one among many many of these Florida connections if you've been investigating really has not received much distribution at all Daniel and welcome to Tara land you focus on the flight schools that were used to train many of the hijackers as we mentioned last week those flight schools were run by the 2 magic Dutch boys Rudi Dekkers an Army crew top in turn apparently working as something of a cop out or minions for a guy named Wally Hill you're too will go back to we mentioned last week that there were a lot of irregularities with regard to what these guys did and I'd like you to flesh out just how far out of the baselines these guys were able to run both with regard to their business practices and flaunting f.a.a. Regulations because it will give our listeners I think an idea of just how extraordinary this whole situation was and they should bear in mind that it is these flight schools and these operations through which Mohammed Ahsan apparently a number of the other hijackers were basically infiltrated. Doesn't They train dozens of terrorist pilots just a few so what he's right and the 1st indication that an operation took place here is just a flat out back that. In 1000. And you know I. Arab men began streaming into southwest Florida for flight training and we became a flood in the year 2002001 so we went from like 5 Arabs at local flight schools to 500 to 1500 right those are numbers Ok ready Dickerson alone trained over 500 Arabs Ok. The 1st thing to know about these guys is that they are not operating a business Ok that's if I could put one thing out there Mohamed Atta and Marwan Al-Shehhi did not come to Venice Florida to attend a flight school owned by well you know you didn't run by Dutch boy Decker's because that was not a business it was not a flight school I can give you 100 different instances of why that is but when someone is operating. A store but cares nothing about selling you know whatever it is the store sells you know you can begin to come become suspicious about whether that's its intended purpose or not and never As we mentioned last week to several of these pilots at least including Mohamed Atta were already very experienced and therefore didn't need to learn anything correct so. I scrutinized because I am a business reporter or once was. Just business stories that have been written about Huffman Aviation about Rudy Dekkers and about while the Iliad and and discovered that whatever it was doing they were doing flight training wasn't it for example they bought their 1st flight school in Naples Florida were running it for 34 months losing $40000.00 a month when they bought their 2nd flight school in Venice already see if you're losing 40 grand a month on a flight school why would you want to go buy another one and when they went to buy the the 2nd one they just walked in with a wad of cash and said and said. You know what do you want they paid well over book for the business in cash pretty much yeah well it's nice work if you can get it as the song says and apparently they got it tell us more about the about their business practices. Well how about their ability to to want to pay rent to get well you know does the Ok. He really Decker's the flight school could never meet its rent at the Venice airport and it was late every month for 6 months until when they finally did pay their rent on time it made the news in Venice and was not right around that that was right in Berlin and that was. It was so were they couldn't make the rent despite the fact that they were walking all of wads of cash and yet all of a sudden around September 11th suddenly they could make the rent and while they couldn't make the rent while they were getting few 1000000 eating coverage in the local newspaper flight school late on rent again I guess. These 2 men were launching an air carrier which was no more an air carriers and then their flight school was a flight school they announced Florida air. And their partner in the venture was a real interesting guy from from upstate Washington name Richard Boki who when I asked who was Richard bookie I quickly discovered that he was just then participating in the 350 $1000000.00 losing pension funds in Portland Oregon only $350000000.00. Did you know that that $350000000.00 had been looted from pension funds and or. Do you remember big headlines on that not off the top my head meet me neither man may need it and you know it just by looking up Richard bookie right you know like I care about pension funds right I mean yeah I discovered my God this guy was given 25000000 dollars to build a condo project that he'd only budgeted to 12.5 m. Where do you go to apply for a work like that well the your book raises a number of questions as to possibilities if someone is so inclined but maybe one of the things that's striking is that when you investigate Rick Baucis operations in the Pacific Northwest there's a striking similarity between his not only as airline businesses but also some of the managed care facilities that he was involved with and exactly what was going on clear on the opposite side of the country down in central Florida if you could tell us a little bit about the similarities between these operations and listeners as they listen to Daniel's account should remember that the magic dots boys would be doctors anyway was and Walter Hill your We're going to be starting an airline with a fellow who is operated what and is about to describe what they actually did they really did and the interesting thing about it and I think one of the things that makes their little airline. Really of interest is that they will or they launched new. Service between 2 cities. And didn't sell one ticket. I mean it's not just like you know there wasn't much business Ok they didn't sell one ticket so but they had planes around so the planes must have been around for some reason and it wasn't to you know to be to be flying businessmen back and forth to Tallahassee. Again if you just because Rick bulky apparently had the same kind of an operation going on up in the northwest where he just he could basically break every rule of business and finance and also light like Decker's and they were bailed basically wiping their feet with every f.a.a. Regulation around or perhaps some other portion of their anatomy but that didn't tell us a little bit about just how far out of the base lines again these guys were able to to run and then either near the end of this side or in the next half of our interview Daniel the one of the people who did manage to fly Florida air this this funkiest of airlines was none other than Mrs Harris's baby girl Catherine Yeah she gave them. I mean they were built a whole story around her and to worsen the airline. Probably purely by accident don't you think but at the same time she was indorsing this little airline they couldn't meet their rent month after month so I mean do you think Katherine Harris is the kind of gal that dates guys that like can't pay their rent. Not necessarily I didn't have that impression of her No No Not not not at all. Rick bookie don't own Harbor we're the Navy's airline they ran back and forth between Oak Harbor Washington which is where there's a big Navy base. 60. It was Moblin unions. Run unions that were bussed in. Funds that were busted out Ok the ask yourself well you know somebody is going to have some pretty pretty you know brass balls to bust out a mob Union who could do that well I mean it must be the mob it's going to take certainly a very real possibility although it's obviously in this entire. Filigree that we have organized crime is obviously one element but they're just much more than that and a big one and a big one because you know I mean if you're secretary you know one of these Teamster is unions you're going to have to work an extra decade. Because of the $3350000000.00 that was looted in order to you know get retirement benefits right and that's that's not too cool is it not not at all not at all and the harbor area is very perilous very very strong parallels to what was going on in Venice in that none of what was going on seemed to make any sense from a business standpoint because it wasn't a business money was flowing out and there really was no no commercial viability of what was going on at least on the surface and people said that people that were prone said we don't know what he was doing which which is what. You know I mean one guy that knew him said both he own retirement homes built shenanigans and got sued a lot. He wasn't from from from the beginning here is employees said from the beginning they felt that the finances flowed from the real estate holdings in the retirement homes into this aviation company that there was really no way this aviation company was really making money so the question about what this aviation company was really all about still remains to be seen. Obviously what they were not doing was was making money from flying people or a car well perhaps cargo but not anything that would appear on a flight manifest per say well all I can tell you is that is that several witnesses the bookies aviation operations in northwest. Washington said the same thing that many witnesses said about Rudi Dekkers while you know your bicycles this guy said it was like they were only pretending to run a business Ok I mean. How much more do you need to hear than that well obviously they've got lots of toys Ok that's what makes these guys interesting they can't pay their rent but but. Wow bookies company was going bust extravagantly bust all he cared about in summit of his at the time was loading his Grumman seaplane with really fine wines for his excursions out out into the island well again Nice work if they can get in and he apparently did Daniel we are almost out of time on this side we'll pick up this fascinating narrative on the other end and for listeners benefit remember even seems like we've gone a long way from September 11th this is the mill you know this is the environment through which many of the key hijackers moved into the u.s. This is the network my friend and it's not just me saying it there's an f.b.i. Translator whistleblower named subelements that talks about the State Department covering up the drug trafficking network associated with 911 and these are those people young indeed Daniel we're almost out of time on this side of the holiday season is going to be coming up on the time many listeners hear this program you've got a number of things that I would recommend as holiday gifts including an especially welcome to char land tell us where people can get the book and also something about the D.V.D.'s and videos you have available. Come to the Web site mad cow prod Giro d'Italia com American Morning News because we've got new stories there every week and welcome to terror land is is is the new book Welcome to terror and Mohamed out on the $911.00 cover up in Florida and. You can buy it on the Web site you can call the 800 number which is 805562012. Also we're releasing the documentary I did while I was preparing the book called Mohammad in the Venice Flying Circus and we're adding 20 minutes or so or maybe even half an hour of my interview with Mohamed I. Think you're stripper girlfriend Amanda Keller where you will hear I mean just in the regular tones of someone talking about you know stuff that happened to them. You know what this guy was like and we will be visiting with Daniel Hobbs or going the other side of this program and fleshing out this underworld meal you know through which the hijackers infiltrated and by the way I want to note that I don't get any money whatsoever from Daniel's operations here this is simply an act of citizenship so you know I kind of don't either you know I know the feeling it was a bad career move yeah well I'll tell you I tell you what you don't want to do is ducktail what you're doing with noncommercial radio anyway this concludes side want to for the record Program number 483 an interview with Daniel Hobbs or be recorded on October 31st of 2004 will be rejoining Daniel in the other side of this interview my name's Dave Emery and for Daniel Hobbs of her thanks for listening. My name's Dave Emery and this is side 2 for the record Program number 483 an interview with Daniel hop liquor this is being recorded on October 31st of the year 2004 and once again it's my pleasure and privilege to present Daniel Hobson The author of among other titles welcome to Terra land Mohamed all time the 911 call drop in Florida Daniel welcome back once again to our airwaves happy to be here Ok we've been talking about the extraordinary airline business is if one could talk call it that that were operated in the Pacific Northwest by Rick bulky and also the magic Dutch boys and Wally Hill you're down in Florida this is the meal you through which Mohamed on time and many of the other hijackers moved into the United States we've been talking about some of the extraordinary practices that these people engage in one of the things you noted was in addition to using aviation as a cover both bulky to a certain extent and people in central Florida were also involved with managed care facilities tell us a little bit about that I don't want Jackson Stevens made his money in managed care . And Jackson Stevens built the most about was in Building in Venice Florida which happens to be just the black Venice airport and who's Jackson Stevens. Well you could tell me I think it was Jimmy Carter's remained at the Naval Academy and rumored to have been the kingpin behind both George Bush Sr 988 and Bill Clinton in 1902 he was alleged to have been the ultimate man behind the contra cocaine drug running through Arkansas in the 1980 s. And he's reputed to have headed the super secret National Security Agency although I don't know how that could be because don't they release the names of those people yeah that that I would I would red flag that when it might be true but I would be I'd be surprised if he had it and he may very well have had some kind of. His name appears in conjunction with just about every damn scandal back 30 years one of the things I would note is the Jackson Stevens is one of the people whose names crops up in connection with the vast web that the most tangled webs around the b.c.c. I Which also brings in a lot of the people from the Middle East and some of the characters who figure in the. Al Qaeda slash $911.00 scenario as well but the more about these managed care facilities if it's just interesting how we have these parallel operations one of the Pacific Northwest one in central Florida we've got aviation cover we've got managed care we've got covert operations we've got mob we've got drugs and then we've got hijackers and we've got mass murder here well the managed care company itself is instructive because it's so a lot of street Leicester to virtually every other company that these people touch it was busted out somebody made a lot of money when its stock went from like $35.00 down to $0.25. You know but it probably was the average investor. So that's. The story there these people were involved in big time financial fraud on hundreds of millions of dollars and. One of the things that appears to have been again sort of a parallel operation from the Pacific Northwest and also in central Florida now when some of us started to unravel while the hill you're defending We spoke about last time you appears have been sort of the Godfather for Rudi Dekkers why he'll you're it was going to shut down backers and we at the vegetarian tail end of our interview last week Daniel we talked about the apparent attempts on the lives of both Rudi Dekkers and Arnie crew to off the 2 magic Dutch boys let's go into that at greater length tell us about what was going on what happened with their crashes and some of the extraordinary characteristics of those events. Each was involved in all within 6 months of each other and a near fatal. Accident helicopter went down underneath Rudi Dekkers while he was on his way to his final negotiations with Wiley Hilliard over the dissolution of their partnership how did he survive. By clinging Well you know actually he knew he knew something was wrong because he convinced. A hell of another helicopter pilot who did you know traffic things things for radio and t.v. In the area to accompany him on the half hour journey from Naples up to Venice because he said he grew bored easily and yet when the other guy fell on pushed ahead. Decker's called and made him hang back so when deckers helicopter crashed the other guy was there and picked him up and carried him back to land so basically he had requested an associate to almost escort him again he looks like he anticipated trouble what happened with any group off his plane nosedived I mean nobody knows. Because after the accident the plane was immediately immediately crushed to rubble now isn't isn't that counter to f.a.a. You know I mean you talk to people at the airport there Miles just hang open Ok there's there's an operation out there at the airport and they would not be surprised if you know little green men you know came out of a hangar one day you know a series of astonishing and. I mean wait wait wait I tell you this I interviewed the now former chief of police in Venice when I 1st got here a guy called on him to pay my respects and he was very apologetic he asked me not to blame the city for what is going on and explained that the city had no control over the airport that was a federal jurisdiction and he said the Venice airport is the kind of kind of place where you know everything's like can be totally quiet and then all of a sudden at 3 in the morning a Black Hawk helicopter like you know touches down for 30 seconds and then takes off again. Well that happens all over the place doesn't it is that right well so I've been told but then you know what do I know I'm just a I'm just a poor radio broadcaster but I you know is speaking which before we get back to well actually let's let's finish up one of the things that was interesting is after Arnie crew tossed plane goes down the Rudi Dekkers asked a guy to fly alongside him so parent Lee He understood that he was in danger and anticipated some problems I didn't really Arnie Khrushchev he had suddenly drops meet drops in on the airport precipitous 100 foot drop or something like that and the plane's wreckage was contacted before the f.a.a. Was able to examine it that is contrary to procedure now spa come totally you know when nobody at the airport could could explain it they were all dumbfounded by it but you know they're you're not stupid I mean people aren't stupid I mean if you run you know a little hobby shop alongside you know what's supposed to be yes store Ok but nothing goes in and out the door but live alligators you know you know that yes stories really like you know shipping wildlife around or something you know I'm thinking I'm saying right. People you know when you encounter individuals on a daily basis you know you get to know who they are and so I don't the airport they became aware that there was an operation out there that did not make sense as a business and had a green light from the d.a. Whatever that means because the local police were warned to stay away that they had a green light and so it's an interesting place to start and then then when they discovered I mean there's a 1000000 facts like this but I discovered for example that the owner of the flight school while you earlier was also in business with a man who was flying international career flights at the u.n. All tell us about Mr Khan he says he had a very interesting curriculum b.j. As well t.j. Come on I mean he's got a pile. Flying form who owns a license for an air an airline license which a non us citizen is not allowed. And that only that the p.g.a. Con is flying daily flights to Vanna Vanna Cuba and then to Cuba which of course is about to correct the moon. And that was only Ok Who was this Midwestern Republican conservative had also made a number of play down to see Fidel you know one on one of which at least I was told that he had a paper bag full of presidential Rolex is the best around. That bad news an interesting thing for somebody who's going to be visiting Mr Castro on behalf of the Bush administration to be doing. The. Cast of characters is really really I guess what you call p.j. Con one of many con men involved in this scene forgive forgive the bad play on among the many things you talk about there one of the one of the things which perhaps indicates just how far out of the base lines again this whole group of people could run with impunity before we get into some of the Bahamas auto Saudi club or a meeting gave you some you want to add here read yeah yeah there is because you know I mean we're not talking about past events here Ok these people are still operating with impunity inside the us and Rudi Dekkers is right now along with another German man I know from Naples Florida undergoing jet training in Tennessee Rudi Dekkers is still in the u.s. In his underwear only that not only that but but I have eyewitness testimony. That a charter service in Naples is being used to slip Rudi Dekkers illegally into the u.s. Without going through customs from the bomb us so this is a verily even as we speak yes ma'am I mean I mean I have said that it is unprecedented what I have done I have sat on an active. Operation for 2 years I lived and lived to tell about it and probably the only reason to tell about it is because because my attempts at getting the story out are so feeble I think you know that the main media levels tend to be controlled and they are something I have encountered we will linger on this maybe in a future broadcast we can talk about the non one b.s. Movement but they they they they put up these clouds of disinformation on the cruise missile hit the Pentagon and the whole 9 yards so that the average citizen most people are trying to you know make keep their families together work luckily if they can work and they just haven't got a lot of time to paw through the details of these things so you have your work like yours gets a clips done fortunately but this was Decker's basically this this is a current absolutely right right at this moment and they are associated with another German man in Naples and a man who came into this country whose name is a black who came into this country and Italian passport but is in reality and Egyptian oh good he's associated also with the Turkish military attache always has and you know you made a reference inside one to Sibel Edmonds and one of the organizations that she has been attempting to shed light on was something like the the Turkish American Federation something like but it was a a Turkish American organization of sometimes I did not have you know I understand without any firsthand knowledge my understand is used as a route infiltrate heroin to western markets and I write Oh absolutely and not only that but we were last last week we mentioned that u.s. Law been Lobban ahead of Ceco which also has been implicated in some investigations with Osama bin Laden's activities his jet business train pilots in of all places little Huffman Aviation owned by Rudi Dekkers in Florida but one of the things that I've talked about with my listeners in connection with the Iran Contra scandal was that the board of directors of Ceco the company headed up by Islam bin Laden had. People involved with the should Kirky Agee case now that was an Iran Contra you know intelligence last organized crime drug infiltration operation that intersected with the Turkish gray wolves one of whose members Mohammad opt out nice to be young men met on the job shot the pope so yes indeed they are indeed in but it's a completely multinational crew and in this regard there are several quotes several things people told me in the course of my investigation that have stuck with me and one of the things that has stuck with me is something I was told by a man who I suspect had a lot to do with running the Venice airport during during the time in question who had he told me to look into Rudi Dekkers and been told by the person he called to enquire about deckers to leave it alone that Decker's was bigger than national he's trans national sure Ok so that phrase transnational stuck in my mind because because it's a motley crew of it's a multinational motley crew I mean there's to neijing there's Turkish guy you know right now but the important thing I think to convey to you is ration rather than having been faced down by by my investor. Still completely intact an operating probably And you know it will cylinders right here right here in the good old USA like an organized crime equivalent of the United Nations you know one of the things that you mention which again is sort of indicative of a complete impunity and something which would strain credibility you mentioned Charlotte Florida and there was another one of these weird protected flight schools up there and it was it in Florida or Venice that where the sheriff's department had 23 helicopters stolen What do you develop that a little bit more that's that's right here to Ok the next town down south of that as the. It's porch or that it's in Charlotte County actually there's only one town in Charlotte in Charlotte County but it's a county nonetheless and there is the Charlotte County Airport and the Charlotte County Airport is where mama got operated out of I mean January at least in January February of the year 2001 right and the f.b.i. Didn't want you to know that and has gone to some lengths to make sure that you don't know that but it is indeed and do believe the case right and the Shirley County Airport is also the scene I was told by a very chagrined Charlotte County sheriff. The theft of 23 helicopters over the past several years from the sheriff's department Well yes you know just this is just you normal helicopter theft which goes on all the time but they were stealing these helicopters all $23.00 all in all for sure and the idea the idea that Charlotte County would ever have need for $23.00 helicopters is ridiculous one Ok I mean it's not Los Angeles it's all right they'd be bumping into each other like over the farms Ok but they had lost $23.00 helicopters and Charlotte County that Charlotte County sheriff's office had gotten the helicopters through the same generous government program that had provided c. $130.00 s to drug cartels. Instead of the u.s. Forest Service the exact same program and these stolen Yeah I mean it did well a new sheriff came along and said Where are these help you know they gave an inventory what he had you know like 14 cruisers and you know 25 helicopters and he goes Well where's the. Best. Maybe maybe we should look. At it and also bring them around and he they know where the helicopters are I mean he told me sadly that the show that got. Shares of his as an intact helicopter in good order. That is today operating in Chile Ok you know presumably you know as protecting you know Charlotte County as farce Porter Well you know it is a fascinating state of affairs bear in mind too you don't just sneak into the middle of the night in clandestinely hot wire and then in no none a listen to this because you will find this interesting and entertaining Ok I interviewed 2 local top law enforcement officials in Charlotte County right I interviewed the sheriff and I interviewed his predecessor a man who is known as the major Ok so I am in the office of 2 you know respectable crack or some other insurance when both of these men tell me that because of the 40 year history of CIA career covert activity in their county that they've witnessed you know in their in their positions law enforcement and have been unable to do anything about that they both believe that the CIA had something to do with the World Trade Center attack. And I mean I'm I'm now you know in The Wizard of Oz because I'm looking at 2 Southern cracker sheriffs and I'm going to I can't go there. I would need to see evidence you know I mean it was just bizarre you know I mean the last thing you'd ever expect to hear from a southern sheriff as you put it in your book at one point after uncovering this incredible concatenation it's enough to make you want to buy a bunch of suntan oil a boogie board and a pitcher of Margarita's well because clearly we can't do anything about it we can't even know about it you know imagine how our recent 3 year history would be different if only on September 15th 2001 we knew and it had been on the front page of The Washington Post that the owner of the flight school that Marwan went to had had is Learjet confiscated with $43.00 pounds of heroin on board the same month they got here at that time that of course we spoke about last. That was Wally Hume weird sort of the godfather of Rudi Dekkers operation Daniel one of the things you talk about were down about the last 6 or 7 minutes of our program here so we're going have to move quickly but you mentioned a really came one of many cases of strange bedfellows if you will and cover down there in Florida in connection with. The environment through which these hijackers moved and that is a connection between Mohammed Attah an apparent saw a member of the Saudi royal family and a convenience store owner and that's not your usual set of associations develop that for us if you would well the rumor at the agent was because I was treated with such deference was that he was somehow associated with Saudi royalty. A physician from London who attended the flight school same time they did you know found that you know slightly somewhat plausible because he always had a bodyguard and never flew alone. Ok. So you know he was somehow Saudi inspired. And what was the other party question well we had this oh when they got well Ok we'll do it in the thing who we hang out with all right well but the Saudi prince I'm sorry I'm telling you that now Ok great so. We found we interviewed the local cab driver on the day shift but you know I mean it's that's been the 1st 1st thing I thought about but it wasn't it was until a friend came down to help me that we look at this person and he said Oh yeah I drove Muhammad out around I drove home about it with Rudi Dekkers a couple times. And where I picked him up a number of times at a apartment building in downtown Venice and in fact the same apartment building you're living in now he told me and then I confronted with the neighbors you know 3 doors down here that an apartment had been used. Had been rented by a convenience stone store a Lebanese convenience store owner who disappeared the day after September 11th the convenience store is right across the street from here. This convenience store owner interesting Ok so I think Ok we've got this is this is part of the operation this guy right I mean he clearly is part of the operation but he's Lebanese You know so I mean you know what was he slipped under the radar what what I discovered this this this Lebanese convenience store owner had 5 years earlier been a partner in a gambling ship that parked itself in Venice despite city and county efforts to get it to leave for an entire year for 5 years ago. Interesting and then you decided to move into the convenience store business Yeah well I mean it could be a source still sits there empty today. I've gotten. I mean that's that's a very interesting lead because obviously look look here's the deal in an immigrant convenience store owner. Is not a partner in obviously well connected gambling ship not demand an associate of a Saudi prince that's able to you know why we haven't got to that Ok anyway he. Left from this convenience store owners apartment several times to pick up a Saudi oil t. a Man who portrayed himself as a Saudi oil to release the cab driver thought he was all right. You're an airport several times and they brought him back. When this Saudi royal left 6 weeks later the cab driver told me he was asked to help carry down a chest to the cab that the Saudi guy was taken back I mean he flew in a private lier. And he said the chest which is kind of like a woman's hope chest or something you know right it sits down the bottom of the bed weighed more than anything he'd picked up oh by the way the man who helped him carry the chest down was none other than Zacharias Moussaoui he is the accused 20th hijacker right exactly who no one apparently has ever seen in Venice before so it's amazing what we have to recap briefly we've got Mohammed off a Lebanese convenience store owner who'd previously been involved in a major gambling ship operation in Florida on apparent Saudi prince and Zaharias Musawi the accused 20th hijacker engage in some very very nefarious business of as yet precisely undetermined nature when they were bringing out this big heavy chest What do you think was in there well I had no idea so I called a guy I know who would Ok And he said without a beat I mean like a like you know it's like the back of this and it's a gold. Gold it was gold they had gold in the chest Yeah and gold is obviously very very heavy per unit volume and is also a favorite commodity of various forms of underworld activity and also something really really good for insurance in case there's an economic collapse and there are some economic storm clouds on the horizon and only in this country and the rest of the world as well and so has any any investigation of any of these links we're obviously we've got organized crime we've got elements of the intelligence community we've got massive drug trafficking links to political and organized crime syndicates abroad and all of this is the environment through which again for filling in our listeners if somebody just tuned in this is the environment in which Mohamed Automower one l.g. He and others of the 911 hijackers were moving visit. These are the people that any government prosecutor any prosecutor would be interviewing and subjecting to scrutiny. As any These are Mohamed Atta's associates right and with this they these are his buddies these are his people with whom he did business well he was in Florida in 2 beautifully you probably did business while he was in Florida and this is this is you know that's who they are you know one thing we just got a couple of minutes here and I want to make sure to give the contact information so people can get ahold of your book and videos and other material but that's something we touched on we didn't go into it any great length last week but Mohammed on one of the shepherds that he was able to find run a mysterious unnamed German couple and the colonel Duesberg Zell shot one of the Congress Bundestag program tell us about that because that's another angle to this whole thing well I mean I just found another like extremely intense you know in in the real 911 investigation. Here's a new development the Chicago Tribune of all papers in its 3rd anniversary coverage of 911. From its correspondent in Homburg. The guy was doing a recap and you know recap and local people who'd met him and blah blah blah and right in their very matter of fact Lee is you know 66 line interview with a local Turkish Baker in Hamburg who relate how Mohammad Attah had lent him $25000.00 to start his bakery in 1900 fun right. Well years 3 years before it is is thought to have never met anyone else kind. That. Again suggested there's a whole lot more to us than and doesn't say well I didn't even ask for a promissory note Ok I mean obviously had the money he was obviously not instead of being a penniless graduate student as we've been told he was obviously a man walking around with a big roll and the C.D.'s they call Duesberg as Alsace appears to have been one of the organizations that was helping to shepherd this guy right they gave him money in 4 of the 7 at least and for the 7 years he was in Homburg and I mean that money came from us because because. It was part of a joint what's known as a Congress Bundestag program it's a joint u.s. German program that brings. Engineers. In for further training and of course. Engineers in Cairo is where the Muslim Brotherhood is strongest and actually did this so many of the members of the Muslim Brotherhood the parent organization of al-Qaeda are engineers that Gyptian is often referred to the Mojave Muslim Brotherhood as the brotherhood of Engineers and you we are all out of time here give us the information about how people can contact you or how they can get a hold of welcome to Terra land your remarkable new book also your previous volume that we've only touched on in these interviews bearing in the boys as well as your other material right you know what 'd they should all get the new Mohammad out and then it's like circus video it's a documentary I did on the 1st year I was in Venice but included now take on a half an hour of an interview I did with the Mohamed Atta's American girlfriend you know matter of fact we talk I mean in Dubai to believe Mohammed as American girlfriend you know provably I mean the Sarasota Herald Tribune said she was. And just talking about who he was and you know what they did together I get a lot of interesting things write your own conclusions Ok and then it's mad cow product com American Morning News for all or new stuff is we do stories every week and on the 800 number is 8055620125562012 is the 800 number of triple w. .