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Coming up at 8 o'clock today we're going to have Jane the painter and David Simpson with a report from the climate summit in Madrid at 730 we're going to talk to Adam Kantor of the we tried about the tearing wind farms proposed for modern monument River Ridge near Scotia. But right now we have in studio Caymans own Tom your Horlick thank you very much for being a Monday morning magazine today thank you for having me John always an awning. All right a slightly impromptu beginning to Monday morning magazine. But thank you very much for doing the show Tony and for getting operationally early and coming in oh yeah well thanks for doing this consistently for the community John it's my pleasure I'd rather really do enjoy doing it but you have been talking to folks involved in the vixen of camp a in Garberville. Can you tell us what's been going on there well a camp according to all known sources has been there for several years if not many years in the same territory which is not their territory it is private property so technically they're trespassing but they've been given that right to do so through kind of a. Non combat Ignace from the landowners for many years and it's a very well established place right off the freeway right next to the freeway there's no avoiding it you know and so people have been there for a long time and then some of the residents that have been there of many years who have cleaned up the place with the Eagle River cleanup project as well were notified of their fiction and in interviews that I conducted they tied that back to events of this year that there was a fire by someone that someone else that they were conflated with that aren't members of their camp but someone else who is not a part of their camp it created a wild fire someone else had stolen some tools from a truck and they felt conflated with these events before their eviction and they have also appealed and I have a letter I can read that they wrote to the landowner Oh that their residence in the area or the residence of a camper how the residents of a camp Ok all right that would be great and I also have an interview with Samantha carcass of the sheriff's department Ok yeah so this has been a pretty well established camp that that people have been living at for quite some time and I guess the will the owner of the land is like absentee he's not he's not there and hasn't really done anything about this and I want to treat that part delicately because it is private property it in it is always a private property owners are right to say someone is trespassing and I honor that however in this case it looks like a land trust like the people never really use the land for their own uses but they own it because of family right of many generations so it's been passed down over the generations in a local family and then the latest person it's been passed to doesn't want the people there. Is as far as I understand it I haven't been given permission to release who that person is I want to you know protect their identity it's a private citizen got Gotcha I understand that. And I mean the it I'm sure it is public information we could look it up and find out you know at least what the name of the land trust is that that owns it and. But we won't. I want Vala violate their anonymity though and it's admit it's a delicate situation people have been living there for quite some time like a matter of a matter of years and if a fire were to get started and carry into other property and destroy someone else's property it there's a chance that the owner of that property could be held liable for the damages definitely yeah so it's a complicated thing but that has been home to about how many people have been living there that's a good question. And in some of the testimonials I got from some individuals there's at least 4 gentlemen I'd say that were living there regularly who are all a part of this cleanup of the river and also were gradually creating a safe sober camp and that's a kind of poignant and ironic part of this that they're being evicted after they've taken measures to make a safe space that was quiet and peaceful for homeless people to camp in Garberville day so when you ask me how many people were there it's relative because here's one of the things they've shown multiple people there would talk about how they would rescue other women sleeping in the street or man gone drunk at the bar who's going to get arrested they would take people that had nowhere to sleep and give them a place and so they have put up lots of European travellers who are here seasonally they've just and they emphasized that they don't tolerate yelling they don't tolerate drug use they're not that kind of camp and so they appeal to the community and said look we're trying to create a safe camp Patty Ray is helping us understand those guidelines and is trying to help with the houseless and homeless solutions committee which she's been appointed to by our supervisor a stealth phenol and so they're looking for ways to integrate this camp into a property where they could have a safe camp. And some of the interviews and also with Michael Richardson and John Ford of the planning and building department I also have an interview with them where they acknowledge that this is a systemic problem that you can't just necessarily treat homelessness with a house that there's a lot more going on than even just getting housing and so and I've I've been talking with them about how soon they're going to establish safe designated areas where people can park or camp right and they say that that's still in the process Oh yeah they've been saying that for so long that you know it didn't take them out long to put more cops on the street when they when there's something that they really want to do they they sure can do it fast but they've been dragging their feet on this for for decades now. And. And I do appreciate the point that you make that that the people who live in these camps are the that the our homeless community sticks together. In a in a lot of ways and they look out for each other and we call it sometimes we call it mental illness or we label but there are there are people who just I mean a lot of why we why we all ended up in this place is because we don't really fit in that well in the rest of American society and there's a lot of people who. You know. We're. We just don't fit in that well and and there's a housing shortage here. So you know you've got some interviews that you want to play Yeah you know well I kind of want to start with let's see if I can dive into the right point it was very poignant for me this is the word that is tight 5 my relations with this story it's been very poignant it's really touched my heart it's broken my heart at moments and when I talked with Samantha carcas who is our press information officer with the sheriff's department this is the 1st time that I feel like she has and you can hear in her interview let's see if I can dive into the right point she goes into the issue and I think it touches her heart too Ok if you can see what I mean and before we dive in and before we go further I want to acknowledge the thing you say you're starting a program to John all of the opinions expressed here are not the views of came out radio they are not the views of came of News this is me as Tanya Horlick a journalist sharing what I've discovered and I just want to share these things in my observations I don't mean to take a position or stance and I just want to clarify that because of what happened after I was on your show last time Oh Ok so here we go here's a Samantha cargoes talking about a camp and they were ordered to vacate the property so that's where we're at at this time. They have those order if they Kate they have to fight it there's not too much that we can queue at this point other than if she goes. Well we will be returned to the property later this. If they remain on the property again we likely will go ahead and take them jail. Is there any more commentary that you would like to add. You know this is a really delicate situation where they can. You know working with those who are and how was our trust asked Am I that property you know we have to uphold the law that's in place and protect private property owners as well and so that's why we always offer those resources to those who are trespassing in the sense of you know camping on someone's property because you know we understand that there is a serious need for housing there and Humboldt County and everything we can do to point them to the resources to help help them get that housing or other services that it's crucial you can't just tell someone to leave but not give them any other means to do so as far as you know resource wise. And information wise so that's why we're really we really try to connect them with those resources and it's up to them to take those resources and and use them they have to want to to relocate and better themselves to get themselves to a safe location and I know that comes with a lot of challenges and we're not going to get into that today. As far as that goes but we're doing the best we can to try to a protect property owners right but also you know help those who are needed in our communities so. You know I've been out there with some of our deputies and they're doing enforcement of this kindness and they are very respectful both. Trespassers are are typically pretty respectful and are deputies remain respectful because they understand the situation and they understand you know. These people are in this situation in their life where this is this is what's happening and so we try to do the best we can to help them and like I said and of course a lot as well. Well thank you for connecting those ideas together and for those statements I really appreciate is that you're welcome So there's a sample I've never had an interview like that with her so far and we have we're we're growing our relationship but I was very touched that she ought at that commentary and you heard what she said about what the sheriff to recognize about the situation and how when they kick someone off a piece of property where are they supposed to go and then also the men at the camp each one of them who had been there for a long time emphasize that once they vacate the property which they will do and they will comply and they have been cited because they still hadn't found anywhere else to go I visited them a few times. And they're peaceful men and they will comply but they indicated should there be 30 days before Vick Sion Isn't that what a standard tenant sometimes tenants are given 60 or 90 days to leave where they've been living for a long time and right if you if you've been there over a certain period of time. I don't know whether it's 6 months or a year if you're a. If you're a tenant if you've been paying rent they've got to give you at least I believe at least 90 days. If you've been there a certain period of time. And one thing that I noticed I've been. Talking to folks who are living outside when care when brought the caravan to Redwood's rural. The people that I talked to had pretty much all been in Humboldt County for at least 20 years if not their whole lives I talked to a guy who is 60 years old who's lived in this area right in this community for like 56 of his 60 years. It's. You can't really expect people to move along when this is where they were born and raised definitely And one of the people that I spoke with and I'm hoping that we can dive into part of the interview with this guy Chad also chatter very nice person he's been here I believe at least 30 years from what he indicated and he also connected to what's happening back to what's happening with the marijuana industry and to the whole community so I do want to go into that now sure but also I just want to touch on your office interviews from that caravan visit that was very poignant and beautiful to listen to as well as how those people were affected and what their long term experience has been that they've never seen a shower van here before you know yeah it's kind of service Oh yeah it is hard to get a shower I mean I've lived here long enough and and bed in dicey water situations where we've had to look for showers elsewhere and. You almost have to drive up to Eureka I mean I remember we used to be able to get a shower and Shelter Cove but if you can't drive to Shelter Cove or up here ek you're kind of out of luck. Well well we're talking about that anyone that knows you and me and the came over here if you didn't travel with having a shower you let somebody came and know me. But I see here something with steps that could be so little world the world whom I. Have said before is is really integrating. People who want to be involved in course. Small jobs around town like say like businesses who want to participate you have a voucher system of some sort so like if you if you want to stay in the camping you know maybe you need 5 outers for you know a physically capable 5 daughters for the stay for the month or a week you know of some sort so they're actually earning their place and I feel that that's where the pride of respect Cohn's you know if you've if you earn something you're going to take a lot better care of it than if it's just given to you. With a title Mitt probably in America. You know. Tried negotiating with the land owner Yes Well so so what happened is so the the original owner of the place is a lady I'm not sure the name exactly but she. You know in are. All the rage on gave over the power of attorney possibly to the properties or somebody else's is in control of it. And they're the ones who filed the trespass complaint she never did. And so in in that. And her coalition of community people. Started in negotiations with with this community the property owners and and they were debating on how maybe to work something out as this being a legal camping site and and they were at it for quite a while 56 months probably And then at that time you know the it was agreed upon that that we wouldn't be harassed while the police you know I mean if we Intel was figured out so and it was figured out unfortunately it was a no to the to that. Which is fine so no they haven't they're rather go to add but hard to know to help feel very little around and. An amateur with arresting you know they're going to come in ticket soon we're going to pay money for that. But you know where I've seen before where they don't treat people's personal property very well I don't think that our share of Should going to do this but I have seen a Rico with the police there and I just would hate for that to happen you know where I really stand various firmly on you know on people's personal property was there their homeless are a lot you know I think anybody would agree with that you know. So I I would love to go get a piece but I'm not going to go anywhere today. That was right after I had offered to buy the gentleman some breakfast because they all looked hungry right and they were humble and they asked me for nothing I offered money I offered food and they they took nothing from me wow wow that that's really. I mean we have a it's about 10 percent of our population 10 percent of our community is living outside and as hard as that is they face a lot of persecution as well I mean. It's hard enough to survive the rain and the weather and get enough to eat and take care of your basic needs but when he also also have cops chasing around and threatening to I mean I'm sure that that's traumatizing. Absolutely and I think it's very meaningful for any of them to just feel support from someone in the community whether it's a smile whether it's something that's offered or just a nice moment in a conversation and Chad multiple times in this interview emphasizes that there needs to be integration between the people that are houseless and homeless and the people that have and if there could be more integration and he proffers at the start of this part that there could be small jobs that these people could do in exchange for what they receive and they would be probably grateful for the opportunity from what he suggests So you know maybe some solutions down the pike Yeah and I know a lot of people who live outside do get a lot of work I mean it's not always consistent work but they often people often get hired for manual labor out in the hills for you know for small jobs not enough that you can afford the rent which is still really high in this area property values are really overblown because of the cannabis industry especially the black market cannabis industry and the high profit margin. There's a lot of living space that's still taken up with indoor cannabis farms why why we have cannabis growing inside and people living outside is is a is a strange perversion of values I think I did one other interview because we're going to have to I'm going to have to get our other guests on the line and maybe we could get back to this like Oh he's very well would you like to get back to clips later I could read part of their letter or if you want to transition it's a sure read a little part of the of letter and we'll transition in a minute here sure. We were told that we must vacate the premises by Tuesday December 10th or face a citation and they were cited the next day such a request is perfectly clear for perfectly reasonable and you have every right to expect us to respect your wishes in this matter however the mere 7 days we've been given to comply is just not realistic nor in fact even possible for us to comply with at this time 1st of all the weather has been a major barrier to even packing much less actually moving we've had 48 hours or less of breaks and heavy rains that have inundated Southern humbled in the last week most of those scant hours have been in the middle of the night I don't know if you've ever tried to move your personal belongings in the middle of a rainstorm before we have definitely found it to be extremely difficult to say the least such as a sample from a campers letter to the landowner that recently evicted them are you ready to go on the air Ok Because because we're on the air right now so I've got a couple of underwriters to read but we're going to get right to this talk if you don't mind could I Ok thanks a lot at em. Ok thank you very much Tanya and we are kind of winging it here and it is it is 730 you're listening to Monday morning magazine here on k m u d and support for your community radio station in the red which comes from listeners like you and from Pearson buildings that are on South Broadway in Eureka celebrating over 55 years of serving the community with quality building materials lumber and a complete nursery at the sign of the big hammer and support for k m u d comes from St Joseph's Health Northern California a not for profit driven by a belief that health is a human right St Joseph Health thanks that 5000 caregivers across northern California for their commitment to patient safety and compassionate care learn more at s t j h s dot au r g and thank you very much Tanya for that information about camp and what's going on there and I hope we will get back to this later in the show but right now we've got an I'm Cantor of the we out tribe taking time out of what promises to be a very busy day. Adam could you morning everybody morning rating thanks for being Thanks for being on the air could you give us an idea to tell us why this is such a busy day and what's what's going on. Yeah well today the Board of Supervisors will be having a special hearing on the humble wind project and it's going to be from 9 am. To potentially 7 30 pm We'll see how long it goes and. We're a little unclear if we're going to actually be voting today or that will happen tomorrow it'll kind of depend on the amount of public shows and number of people that want to comment which tribe is hoping that lots of folks will show up at that the door a nice dinner which is kind of ironically we're the whole lot remade creation ceremony happened and today the tribe is going to be. The public is going to be lobbying. For the protection of the Bear River Ridge kind of court or. So it's going to it's going to be it's going to be big it's going to be a huge day. Definitely. A lot hanging over everyone the supervisors . You know it's going to be probably one of the biggest decisions of their tenure on the board. You know not knowing what the future may bring So really big day. We're hoping the public can come out we're only we're only a. Few minutes. Of public comment and I'm not sure exactly when that will begin there will be some. It's per person right 2 minutes per person Ok 2 minutes per person and you'll as far as I understand will be signed up and you will get a number and they'll call you up. When your number is due. And yet we're hoping folks can be concise and. Also respectful in their comment. During the planning commission meetings there was a little bit of feedback that. Some of the heckling you know borderline whether or not people were actually heckling kind of turned off some of the commissioners and that we're really hoping that people come in with. Passionate critical. You know embodied. Comments today Ok so you're saying I'm saying leave the pitchforks and torches at home. But it pitchforks and torches at home but that doesn't mean you can't be super passionate about. About your comment about you know your support for the week your support for the broader. Project would impact 3030 miles a 30 mile long. Ecological transect from you know all the way to Bridgeville. Wow. You mentioned to a while high on that this was the place where they had the where they signed over that they're getting ready to take. Or to build on and destroy some really important land of the way out of my can you talk a little bit about this site is called psyche uit. River Ridge the Bear River Mountains. We people call the sea the Bear River Ridge monument Ridge Wind Project Bear River and monument Ridge are really one contiguous Ridge known as the Bear River Mountains and. The southern boundary between the we and the Bear River tried to to really different cultures and language groups. Being are now gone quite a group with. Their ever being at Baskin and you know carbon dating it tells a lot that fell mountain out of Humboldt bay. Seems to show that we are one of the 1st early peoples to get to the humble Bay Area then followed by the the Athabaskan and so. River Ridge is if you haven't been up there it's just an absolutely amazing commanding view of the huge a huge swath of Northwest California you can. The all the way to South Fork mountain the last 60. North to the matter of south of Rainbow Ridge in the last post. And then a course to appeal river and towards the Rainbow Bridge and this is what the we and a lot of the local tribes refer to as high prayer high prayer sites high prayer spots spots for that there's a commanding view there and that's full territories where medicine people and spiritual leaders in the tribe would would go. To pray would go to get focus would go with their apprentices to train and then also place that. You know seasonally used for hunting and gathering and so the prairie is up there just a little yet ethnographic parents talk about it just being full of grizzly bears and even today the. Plant communities up there are just stunning and. You know a lot of native coastal prairie. You know. Different. Edible bulbs that grow up on the Prairie if you go there and in the spring every week there's kind of a nice weed of flowers and potatoes blooming. Upon the ridge and then there. Are giant wolf wolf trees on the edge of the prairie wolf trees are trees that have huge lower branches you might have seen trees like this on the on the edge of prairies before that that were able to grow without competition from other trees from from the fires to control fires that the tribes would. To keep the prairie open and keep them from being encroached by the fore. All right I mean we've on this show talked a lot about. Native plants that are in decline around. Around the area things that were once common are are getting very very hard to find and that these are significant plants both edible and aren't there also medicinal plants up there that I mean yeah and there's there's there's also rare plants up there that one of the Vick ones going to be impacted is the checker boil Sadowsky amount before. It's over 4 acres you know it's pretty uncommon to even find acre of this plant and it's a coastal prairie. Kind of specialist one of the biggest populations other than up on Bear River Ridge is actually at Arcadia airport Prairie which was in a way preserve because the airport that continued that was done in a way actually mimicked the wildfire that the tribes would have used and so 4 acres of that are going to be eliminated the soil is going to be removed and it's going to be replaced with concrete and steel and so that's just one example and then in the course you know a handful of geo fight which. Are usually really a shift all you think of I can life kind of an iconic Native American food called. The day is. Free to Larry's. And not to mention a lot of rare plant communities or natural communities and you want to example is this California grass prairie band phony a prairie and then. Champ. Which is tough to hare grass and these are all. Native examples of the vegetation that would have been much more common before European contact before we you know brought in all of our alien pasture graft and started killing the soil. And then after that you know of course a lot of these bulbs that I mentioned became big in the horticultural market in the early 20th century we might have heard of a collector named Purdy and he had people going out. In Point Native American to go out and picks thousands of bulbs from California parries and grasslands which greatly decimated a popular populations that were already being impacted by by grazing and. Actually grasses Wow Yeah. I mean even more rare than the individual species are the ecosystems that support them and this is this is wonder as he cursed this is one of those ecosystems and ecosystems are delicate things you can't just. You can't just mitigate you know. No you can't and and the cumulative effect and one thing that we course haven't even talked about impacts birds and bats this is. Bear River Ridge if you get on Google Earth and go to satellite you can see Bear River Ridge you know over 500 miles above the earth's surface it's a huge prairie complex that kind of connects with the really big Prairie's you know in the Metol in the part. Petrolia area that's on the Pacific far away and this area has been identified by the Audubon Society as an important bird areas Mendocino grass court and bird area and it's part of the Pacific fi way and if you know any burgers you know they'll tell you about River Ridge and it's kind of an iconic place to go to the lots of different species to see Raptors Hawk golden eagle and all the gold and of course that's one of the big concerns is impact. To eagle which folks that are familiar with the Alps Mont wind farm down in the East Bay. Huge impacts. Golden Eagles at that wind farm and there's about 15 historic territories within close proximity to this proposed wind farm any of these things are going to be 600 feet tall which which is twice the height of the Statue of Liberty. So they will be the tallest structure is and humble county if if this ends up happening which we hope we're going to stop. And towering above the redwoods above the redwoods above the redwoods and so Ridge Redwood. That the tallest Redwoods are around 380 feet which is really tall but you know 300 is a good one and 600 feet tall. And the ridge itself is about $2200.00 b. In elevation and So You Think About $600.00 over $2200.00 you know that's about a quarter to a 5th height of overall ridge and you know this barrier of ridge literally frames the lower hill River Valley it looms over Scotia and Rio del and and even you know the Alton kind of Southern Fortuna all Fortuna you know this is going to be a big visual impact which is of course one of the impacts we're focusing on as the biological impacts are course more significant and more dire. But the visual impact will be will be big as well and a lot of people have been commenting about the night light pollution these things because they're so high they have to have a 'd lighting on them so there's going to be red blinking lights you know on the $600.00 foot tall turbans. You know forever blinking that you'll River Valley. For tonight and with the short days that we have right now around the falls I've been just running out of time and been walking up to around or park my dog after dark by the hill there and it's just the same mazing view and you can see the Christmas tree and Ferndale and course all the whites Fortuna But then there's just this. This black. Just just complete wilderness it's kind of you know they're sheltering the off the coast and Bull Creek and Rainbow rich and you know that's all potentially going to just be a big boy king. Winking mess here a lot of people talked about you know with with the fog. That light pollution right really exacerbated when we have fog with really eerie strobing. Effects you know yes they're ugly day and night. They're not really what what people come to this part of the country to see. And it's not well we moved out here to be around. But I do want to get back to the you know the birds and marbled Miral spotted owls. Marble Merlot marble Merlot. Big concerns about the marble tomorrow and I might have forgotten some of my numbers but you know initially. They're saying about one more or less expected. It's to be killed every year and a lot of people I'm not a statistician but a lot of people have criticized the modeling that that's been done to try to to try to identify the collision risk for these more wet of course they nest in the old growth trees but they are pelagic bird feed out in the open ocean and so every day it's on the rise and that they're flying to and from the ocean back to their nests tree with with fish and and so they're doing this in during low light conditions and of course. That you know we also have a lot of fog and so a lot of people are really concerned about them. Which is is really critically threatened. You know the numbers continue to decline. And so along with that you know just the risk of a collision with the turbines is the 25 mile transmission corridor or which is a you know basically a linear clear cut that will be along Shively Ridge which was. But you know the divide between the eel and the Van Dusen rivers all the way to bridge bill. And one big impacts to Marble moor Let's is is increased edge effects which tend to attract Ravens and corvids in crows which are a major predator of eggs and so just the habitat fragmentation that this project would cause would be immense and would come around a lot of these ecological impacts and then I want to say there was about 15 spotted owl activity centers. That were within close proximity to the project and of course they're not doing very well either with just delayed impact the wait effects from years of clear cutting combined with the invasion of the bar al. And you know the projects I didn't know they still recently but the project actually print. Comes within really close proximity to the famous Redwood. Luna which we all know about from Julia Butterfly Hill in the early days of tree sitting and the timber wars on the north coast. Just exceptionally diverse area panic Lee and and you know and on the wildlife side of things. All right that's that's so true I just want to remind folks that we're talking to Adam Kantor of the tribe I forget your title do you mind reminding people what your your title is with the yeah tribes botanist and geographic information systems manager or natural resources specialist and I also work. With the tribal historic preservation office Ok And you mention that you know it might kill one of their estimated one Mira what a year but if you kill him you're a lot who's got a nest of young then you've lost the whole nest of young 2 Yeah yeah and there's a lot of little things like that in the draft and final environmental impact report that haven't really been. You know. Sort of been overlooked or quickly. You know testified without really more thorough analysis and one of the big critique of. The public thus far. You can go and you can go online to the Humboldt County when. Web site. And see all the comments the public made critiquing the environmental impact report you know and this is everyone from state agencies. You know biologists environmental groups a professor. Just people in the public that have a lot of experience you know in environmental issues and. The responses to the public's comments were just very inadequate very for killer. And not very substantial substantial. You know I think that the public the public and and the eco system and the species that are going to be impacted. Deserve better you know and one big concern is is that you know this is just they're just trying to get their foot in the door that that that if they get this wind project in here. You know all of us are all of our bridges are going to be. Taken over before we know it and the fact that there was an e-mail going around yesterday that it currently in early November Humboldt wind l.l.c. . Found there was a 2nd out wealthy that was formed and there's been a lot of mystery alive around that along with maps. Of many more of our ridges that have been identified as potential wind and wind development sites and so the fear is that this environmental impact report for this project will become a programatic environmental impact report for you know just covering the county with these giant turbines and of course the tribes for renewable energy. I think we have to look at our. Role as climate change refusing you know historically coastal California has been a refugio for made species that's why we have Sitka spruce and redwood and why bare River Ridge is the stubborn my site for western red cedar. Have served this role and we're going to probably serve this role in the future the last thing I want to do is fragment. Diverse landscape. As as the globe is warming as a humble County have already committed. Off. Which. Projects going to have impacts. Going to be impacts offshore one of the big impacts this project is increased risk to wildfire from the transmission course a 30 mile transmission cord or. Plans that's what got us into all of these problems with the 1st place is the public safety power shut off. And we're going to be opening up. The divide between Redwood State Park and all of the Van Dusen Redwood grow some of the highest carbon storing in the world and 2016 Steve so they. Published a paper where they found that acre redwood forest storage or carbon and even. Rain Forest and so you know these forests really are the lungs of the northwest. I think the biggest contribution that we can make to combating global climate change is around forest protection landscape preservation. And really being as you know a symbol of of concert and conservation for the rest of the world and as you said that's right that's why people come to the requisite why they come to the north coast. Guard our city. Back old growth forest looks like there's not many places in the world you can still see an old growth forest that's so true and eel Wilson the famous biologist you know we are losing species all over the world and he's warned us that we cannot afford to sacrifice biodiversity and habitat for renewable energy or any kind of energy we cannot afford to sacrifice any more of our biodiversity and if we manage the planet to protect the biodiversity will solve global climate change as in the As a matter of course protecting biodiversity has got to be our top priority because the extinction crisis is even is even more dire than than global climate change. That's so true and in right now all over the world we're grappling with starting this is this issue is starting to really come to a head and you're seeing protests in Hawaii by indigenous people where villages are being being slated for wind development. And you know studies have looked at the effects of you know wind and solar both can take up a lot of space and so if we were going to move to the to these forms pretty soon we would actually be affecting the climate and of course the extinction current crisis . Just. All the development that it would take to deploy a large scale utility of. Wind and solar. That's why rooftop solar is such a great option you know you're already it's a site that's already been developed you know other really good options are. Wind farms that are already established and the technology it is is rapidly advancing and we're seen you know wind farms that used to have 500 turbines you know get revamped and only have to have 200 turban and you know so why aren't we looking at home accounting r.c.a. Looking at those kind of options we don't have to buy dirty wind from Karajan you know we can buy clean wind from a site that's already been developed that has you know revamped and better technology. And you know one big thing that they've been trying to twist with this project is it's going to you know help with humble. Energy resiliency and help with Island. But that's just a complete fallacy you know. This project was high into the p.g. And e. Grid it's going to be subject to the same centralized. Grid problems that we saw. With the recent power shut off. Yeah absolutely and and you're you're so right about roof top solar and you know we have to change the way that we live I mean we've got a very energy intensive lifestyle there's no way around that that the. Finding of. A better way to live that is less reliant on so much of this electrical energy well we're just about at the top of the hour maybe you could remind people where the meeting is and why it's so important to attend this morning and all day it's going to be an all day affair right yeah all day meeting and it's at the adorning Center which is. The waterfront in Old Town Eureka. Kind of near the oh my gosh the huge Victorian there. The name of that place something Palace. But yelled County Rica at the Dorney Fenner from 9 to potentially $730.00 and so if you see that's a big chunk of time and there's no way that you can devote that much time I still would encourage you to come even for whatever time that you can if you care about. The ecosystem that's going to be impacted on this bridge if you want to stand in solidarity with you want to protect one of their prayers and all these other cultural impacts of what happened on the project. Yet come out to the adorning Center 9 am to 7 30 pm And you know look on the last post out the evening news out later today if. Applying to be continued till tomorrow and you'll be allowed 2 minutes of comment try to be poignant critical. And respectful All right and try to pack that adorning Center I know how my way back there as soon as I get off the air here and so even if we can make it right at 9 some of the people who get there at 9 are going to need a break around noon so I want to get all. You know Ok thank you very much Adam Cantor we have tried for talking to us about this very important issue that is May be decided today. So let your supervisors know at the adorning center today in an hour get there assoon as you can thank you Cayman thank you very much all right we're going to go out with a little bit of audio from the there was a big protest in Scotia yesterday so I want to play a little bit audio from that. With I guess. The.