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Factories sources say the groom would also retain $1000.00 u.a.w. Jobs and pay increases and onetime bonuses for workers stocks closed lower today the Dow down 22 points you're listening to n.p.r. . From the broadcast center at k p c c This is the frame I'm John Horn and thanks for joining us during our fall membership drive Today my guest for the entire show is actor Robert Pattinson a decade ago the Twilight vampire movies made him a big star but in recent years the 33 year old actor has taken a turn toward more offbeat indie Productions the lighthouse is his next movie it's a black and white film by writer director Robert Eggers and it centers on 2 light house keepers played by Pattinson and Willem Dafoe in Maine during the 890 s. They're all alone on a remote outpost and the isolation pretty soon makes them go crazy the Queen of England's all fancy house people can even don know but what I don't because I tell you I screw up this here place twice over here you did nothing with each and I sat Yes Well but again you just want a proper light and you'll be taking time on small. Pants and told me how he and Defoe learned a lighthouse job requires certain skills I guess you need to be pretty much a jack of all trades I mean there's only 3 I think well they changed it from being to used to be 2 guys in a lighthouse and then they still is kill each other Ok. And a victory but I mean it's enormous amount of what you have to do I mean and to be qualified student lots of different things and I guess I mean to who I'm playing as someone who's basically just. Kind of he is kind of essentially on the run and yeah I guess it is a kind of it's the wild west working there I guess you could also argue in some ways it's like 2 astronauts in space traveling to Mars they can't leave their stock Exactly yeah and for weeks suddenly seems like 5 years of one of the one of the fall of the moon I want to back up and ask you about watching the witch and about seen that film and about what you took away from Robert Eggers 1st feature I was kind of looking for someone who just has some very original basically and the which was strikingly original and then I wanted to work with Rob about. I guess 4 years ago some about a segment evil which is most about a night and. I kind of still do want to do that with them but I think that the budget ends up a massive and it kind of never got together and then we kind of went through during Nosferatu which I kind of thought I was sort of into it I thought was a little actually close to home playing. But then I thought that then that vampire Thank you yeah and I thought maybe that's kind of genius to to just do it again and . Then this came up and I just thought there's always something appeals to me about very very specific colloquial dialect so I think the more movies I do I think I think the 1st thing I connect to and a part is just how hard to speak I mean everything kind of comes out of that and so there's something on the page which is just. Pretty it's it was just immediately enjoyable to say the lines innocent is something quite there's something very very musical and something. It lends itself towards being formative immediately the way he writes and I think the which is kind of like that as well as something it's just it's just very juicy to say We're talking with Robert Pattinson about his film the light house I want to ask you more about that idea about finding a character through dialogue is it something that you find organically and once you figure out the dialect do the physical traits of the character start to reveal itself I had a little tape of some lobster fisherman from Maine and there's something about the those little areas of Maine which kind of have pockets of an accent which kind of sounds I mean it doesn't sound like your America at all and I thought I was really fascinated with something kind of. Almost like an English West Country accent or something and it's just survived completely intact doesn't change for hundreds of years. Will be you know with the. Slogan earn a living it's like getting that Star know. On the ground there were just a couple of syllable sounds which then it just sort of tickled me a little bit and I tried to sort of shove that into the into the script when I was reading it and then suddenly something clicked and he suddenly realized because of the way your mouth us to form a syllable it sort of changes your facial expressions and then it starts to kind of control your body a little bit and then everything kind of starts to come from that I don't know I don't know how I don't know how kind of. Natural is that it feels very natural for you and it really works and it's kind of but then you end up I mean some of the stuff I was doing. To kind of get into the lighthouse was just I mean I'm really on the cusp of unprofessional. You can torture yourself every which way the terms of how you would prepare for a scene or how you would actually yeah the scenes well to do them and it was kind of I guess because a lot of the very very very adrenalized scenes as well but there was something about because I had. It's I think there's something about how difficult that accent is to stay in it that inform the character as well because it's kind of you could slip into something else so easily and then I kind of I like the idea of just someone who's so uncomfortable with his own reality that you're trying to twist out of it the whole time it's some kind of you know you sort of become a kind of Houdini kind of thing I mean it sounds like in some ways a difficult idea to play because what you're describing is somebody who is not really understanding who he is and what he's doing Yeah and that's like so vague that you How does it anchor you because what you're trying to do as an actor is seize on is something that can ground you in a direction I suspect and yet you're playing somebody who isn't grounded in any way yeah I mean I think one of the 1st ones I had with Robert when I 1st saw its Think about it was someone who's doesn't have the. Psychological mechanisms to deal with guilt. Yeah I think about grounding the I think I've always kind of felt the opposite I think if you try and ground something and you understand psychological motivations to something then it becomes not real it becomes something which is sort of. I don't know if you feel you're planning it too much then you feel like a fraud and said I think that what I try to look for for the in terms of grounding is the the point. Where something does feel new to you in a feels like it's a new feeling which is only associated with that character and then it kind of feels like that's the grounding and if you don't understand what that feeling is that then it feels like oh I'm an end something. And and that's where and that's also the most satisfying place to be when I'm in a performance you don't really know what's going on. I always try to look for the moment when you kind of when old T.V.'s when you could press the 2 channel buttons at the same time and be stuck on and between them both and I just that's I try to find that spot every character. When we come back more with actor Robert Pattinson he talks about what he looks for in original roles and how he feels about acting after all these years. You're listening to 89.3 k. P.c.c. And it is our the 1st day of our fall membership drive I mean Frank I'm a reporter here. 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Latest film the lighthouse was written and directed by Robert Eggers the filmmaker grew up in New England where both the lighthouse and his 2015 film the which take place when the which came out Eggers told the frame that he always had a sense of New England being haunted by its history and that it made sense to blend reality with fantasy Here's a clip from my interview with Robert Eggers and then we'll hear more from Robert Pattinson for me one of the things that I like the most about pretty green fairy tales is that they're kind of unconscious explorations of dark family dynamics but having the real world in the fairytale world be the same thing in the consciousness of people in the early modern period you know by making a fairy tale on you know making a documentary I guess you could argue there's a twisted family story here a kind of a father son tale in the lighthouse but how do you think this film is in conversation with what Robert was talking about there it's we had this so much when I was talking to him the fantasy elements. It's they seemed incredibly ground it's me and I am in the us and saying is this happening in his mind is this is is it a magical island it's kind of and to kind of approach something where it doesn't really matter at all it's something just. There's just something as you can just kind of surrender to the poetry of it and it's just I mean that's kind of what I wanted to stay in. But. It's one of the one of the 1st ones I have a brother I just saw somewhere how he'd come up with the story he was just saying I have no idea I just did something happen because it's so bizarre I mean in so many ways and I kind of so as we started shooting I mean in the terms of that grounding something I kept thinking like do I need to really know what the reasoning is or do I want to I want to stay in that kind of bizarre dream. It's kind of like when you've had a dream and if you wake up and you can kind of thing I know I had that dream because at this memory and this thing happened and sometimes you have a dream when you wake up and you're like way to die. And causes you to question everything here at existence the conceit of the movie is that your character and will and the pose character have different stations on the station that he is the boss and he gets to go places that your character doesn't he has more experience he has more knowledge and he's very possessive of those things and it got me thinking about the relationship between actors playing those characters that there's the dynamic in the story and there's the dynamic of how people approach acting and they may be very different. I mean the good thing about only having 2 people in something and they said a lot easier. Because it was just us to kind of no matter how what approach was taken to feel that it kind of just became the scene anyway and I think. I mean I don't think I mean when I'm really approach stuff that different anyway I feel like I feel like he just I mean he just has a lot of control over his technique whereas. I don't know I feel like I'm I feel like I'm really just like rolling the dice a lot like I'm kind of and I'll try and sort of feel something. Trying get my body to feel it and then hopefully something comes out off to Whereas I think women can really have a plan and stick to it and the chief Well what he says the strikes are achieved. I've kind of. Noted not entirely sure what I'm trying to achieve I'm just trying. But yeah I'm just I'm just kind of hoping that something happens and throwing myself just just jumping off a cliff basically were talking with Robert Pattinson about his film The Lighthouse even Josh and Benny's have to who did good time Robert Eggers who did the lighthouse or Chris Nolan who's doing Tennant are very different filmmakers they are all doing things that most studios are not doing and that is they're not doing prequels they're not doing spin off the not doing comic books they're doing original stories generally and I'm wondering as an actor how rare those opportunities are and how good it is when they come your way. That extremely rare and but no as rare as you think it's kind of if you're actively seeking them out if you really really sat you're not really really wide there are so many phenomenal international filmmakers and it's just you can find people who are doing really cool stuff and you could find them and you could be working consistently doing that kind of stuff. If you wanted to I think the most difficult thing is just getting people to see it afterwards when the. Best case scenario is you know movie coming out and tooth it is and then it's like Jesus Christ I mean it's kind of. I mean even now with streaming stuff now that the sort of algorithm of things now and everybody makes in House Productions they want you to watch something you can't even find stuff randomly anymore and also because I was told once the other day about the d.v.d. Market that D.V.D.'s used to be kind of like having your D.V.D.'s on your shelf it was it was a tell all about who you are as a person but that seems to completely gone and I think it's actually been a record collection and yeah you don't have it anymore especially if you know nerds I mean used to have used to really turn impress people with a house d.v.d. Collection and it really doesn't have the same same ring to it if you can't get any checks of that. Last question What do you enjoy about acting and how would you describe the satisfaction you get from performing. I mean there's different facets of it I love before you start shooting I love kind of problem solving and. And I and because it is a completely different approach to trying to find something which I guess is some kind of Methody thing when you're trying to personalize each little thing but you know but it's not positive really necessarily an experience you've had it's sort of it's more personalizing it to a desire. And that's really funny especially when you don't really relate to a character and I find it quite satisfying in the sort of you can approach description quite objective way but then I love that. The free fall aspects of when you're actually performing it's kind of you can do all this press but then it's kind. What's that and then pick sport when you're doing tumbling well as well you know gymnastics alert you know when when you let you just have the kind of that's the mats and you're just flipping on the floor exercise or it's and you're now success and it is happening around you and it kind of feels like if you can you can do the run up but once you're flipping now it's kind of you just have to hope you can either stick your landing or go flying him out and there's some a very exhilarating about. Especially when you're cracking Robert thanks so much for coming in to all those of. 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Level of the. Yes So we're now on the campus of University and we're entering the right center it's an athletic facility that has been turned into a huge debate stage where we're going to. Be further. Remember if you are a little more so we're going to go into our rehearsal right now as sort of debate the evening before the debate so you have these podiums 12 podiums and right now there are pine university students who are acting as the candidates and I'm going to be sitting over there at that desk. And there's someone who is sitting at my chair acting like me. So I'm going to go and replace that a how are you how are you yesterday's are feared are students who are acting like a candidate Syria. Lebanon. Let's be serious. Never. Believe there is nothing new from the New York Times I'm Michel Martin and this is the day. To day last night in Ohio for the 1st time in more than a decade the New York Times who hosted a presidential debate I've never done one of these debates before but you 2 are pros my colleague Mark lace the national editor at The Times moderator with C.N.N.'s Anderson Cooper I don't actually get nervous a lot about things some sort of get inside but not and I'm lost or has learned to push all my motions to you John instead but it's definitely a heightened state on that stage and Erin Burnett each person wants to break through right I mean this is their moment and for some people they want to get on the next stage right so they have to break it was also the 1st debate since Democrats have started pursuing an impeachment inquiry into the president one that centers around his efforts to pressure Ukraine into investigating the leading Democratic candidate on stage last night Joe Biden. It's Wednesday October 16th. So that's why. I'm confused. Hello. Are you guys there Monica. Oh Alex Burns on his burns. Hello hello hey hi Alex can you hear me. Maggie Michael good morning right yes it is. Yes that is good morning so believe it or not with you being in Ohio me in Washington and this team of editors and producers in New York this is not exactly a flawless technical operation at 1235 am I have faith in your crack team. I have faith too it's really it's really the technology of beginning to question. Ok let's do this Alex if you were going to summarize tonight in a sentence what would it be I think this was the night where you really saw moderate candidates on stage find their thirst for combat and I think interestingly you saw that displayed not by folks like people namely close are going after Joe Biden the leading moderate candidate at this point a race but you saw it happen by them are going after Elizabeth Warren to try to sort of prove their centrist credentials by challenging the left right the front runner who's not actually quite the front runner I checked the polls right before the debate and by all accounts. Statistically speaking that is Joe Biden in an average of national polls Joe Biden has a slight lead over Elizabeth Warren still in this race but every other candidate in the race can all read those trend lines just like we can she is moving steadily up he is moving steadily down and the pictures even more pronounced in the early voting states like Iowa and New Hampshire so if you are a people to judge or any closer and you have state your candidacy on a breakthrough in the Midwest it is a bigger issue for you to get past Joe Biden and present yourself as a clear compelling alternative to Elizabeth Warren than it is to go at Joe Biden directly Ok so let's talk about how that actually played out. So all 12 candidates are on stage the debate begins since the last debate House Democrats have officially launched an impeachment inquiry against President Trump which the 1st question inevitably is about impeachment This is the 1st debate since the impeachment inquiry began but the question is with the election only one year away why shouldn't it be the voters who determine the president's fate because sometimes there are issues that are bigger than politics and I think that's the case with this impeachment inquiry and you had all 12 candidates in agreement I think that the House will find him guilty all of worthy of impeachment then they believe that Donald Trump should be impeached they would have no choice no choice but to begin impeachment proceeding which gives them more power to seek more information this is a big change from where things were within this Democratic field even at a month ago now we have a constitutional duty to pursue this impeachment but instead of using that moment as a way for any of them to sort of use a back door to criticize Joe Biden over the issue related to his son and the work his son had done in Ukraine. Biden was vice president they all very pointedly clearly did not want to join President Trump's attacks on Joe Biden none of them brought it up on their own as the debate went on that the rest of the night was really absent any issue related to Biden except for a question from the moderators Mr Vice president President Trump has falsely accused your son of doing something wrong while serving in the company board in Ukraine it's not Ok for a president's family to be involved in foreign business is why was it Ok for your son when you were vice president. Vice President Biden look. My son did nothing wrong I did nothing wrong I carried out the policy of the United States government and everyone seemed quite ready to avoid it and just move on right and I think that that reflects a couple things right Senator Sanders your response of him but I think the moderators are teed up Bernie Sanders if he wanted to go after Biden on the hunter Ukraine issue I hope that he used to but I think what would be a disaster if the American people believe that all we were doing is taking on Trump and with the getting that $87000000.00 Americans are uninsured or underinsured Bernie just totally did not take the bait and neither did anybody else and part of that is I think a sense among other Democrats that going out the hunter issue you really really risk looking like you are taking Trump's side in a fight and I think maybe as big or bigger part of it is this calculation by a lot of the candidates on stage who want Joe Biden's supporters to move over to their camp that the way to do that is not by attacking Joe Biden and that you kind of got to trust that Biden is going to continue sinking in this race just by the force of gravity and his own limitations as a candidate and present yourself as a compelling alternative for people who are looking for a more moderate or a more conventional set of qualification and they do that by going after Elizabeth Warren that Senator Warner to be clear Senator Sanders acknowledges he's going to raise taxes on the middle class to pay for Medicare for all you've endorsed his plan should you acknowledge it right there's 1st an effort by our colleague Mark Lacey to twice pin her down on whether or not her Medicare for all plan would require a tax increase for middle class voters she doesn't really answer that yes or no question so the way I see this it is. Now what kinds of costs middle class families are going to face so let me be clear on this costs will go up for the wealthy they will go up for big corporations and for middle class families they will go down I will not then p. Put his tries to get her to answer and on and on and she's just kind of resolutely unwilling to say yes or no and it's not even really sort of an ideological attack on her right you saw people to judge pushing her just to sort of be straight honest question is what we heard tonight a yes or no question that didn't get a yes or no answer but this is why people here in the Midwest are so frustrated with Washington in general and Capitol Hill in particular your signature senators to have a plan for everything except this no plan has been laid out your clothes are who has been so careful so far in this race to be very collegial with her Senate colleagues you heard is that essentially described Warren's plans as a pipe dream the difference between a plan and a pipe dream is something that you can actually get done and we can get this public option done and we can take on the pharmaceutical companies and bring down the prices but what is really hard stuff right this is the kind of criticism that you have heard at other points in the race directed at Joe Biden it's almost sort of a character attack as much as anything else she loves talking about the mechanics of policy and where revenue will come from and where it will go and how regulations work and how it will change the way companies are structured and the fact that this is the one place where she won't say what we heard Bernie Sanders say on the Medicare for all Bill that I wrote premiums are gone co-payments are gone that doctor bulls are gone all out of pocket expenses are gone but I do think it is appropriate to acknowledge that taxes will go up it would be a super sort of war an easy answer except she just doesn't want to give it and why sadly won't. She answered Well I think she want to answer it because there's not a great answer to the question and usually when there is not a great answer the question you'll see a politician do what she is doing which is evade stedfastly Senator St Senator Warren was about oh you acknowledge what the senator just said about taxes going up so my view on this and what I have committed to is costs will go down for hardworking middle class families I will not embrace a plan like Medicare for all who can afford it now one thing too that I was struck by inclosures answers she more than once said that essentially to Warren your way of doing things is not the only way and I want to win those states that we lost last time and I have bold ideas to get us there and I think just because they're different than Elisabet doesn't mean that polls but what does that reflect some kind of larger sentiment among these moderate candidates about warning about the way that she campaigns I think it reflects a resentment among some of the more moderate candidates of the way Warren argues sometimes explicitly sometimes a little bit more subtly that if you don't approach policy the same way she does it's because you don't have political guts you don't have grit you're not willing to fight back I put out nearly 50 plans on how we can fight back and how we can rebuild and America's that works and a part of that is we thank you Senator for somebody like any club Ashar she sees how you get stuff done in government differently she doesn't think it makes for a coward she thinks it just reflects a different set of political values that we're going to take a quick break right now to c.n.n. 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From Audubon University in Westerville Ohio I want to turn now to foreign policy president so as this debate went on and felt like we saw the 1st substantive conversation on foreign policy that I can remember from these Democratic debates in part I think because of the urgency of the situation that's playing out in Syria I wonder if I felt that way to both of you. It didn't feel that substantive to me candidly it felt it felt urgent and it felt emotional we saw the spectacle the horrifying sight of a woman with a lifeless body of her child in her arms asking what the hell happened to American leaders what I think was striking about it is that Joe Biden who was vice president seemed to really struggle in his answer to this question about what he would do and what he thought was necessary what I would do is I would be making it real clear to Assad that in fact we're he's going to have a problem because Turkey is the real problem here and I would be having a real lockdown conversation with her to Juan and letting you know that he's going to pay a heavy price for what he has done not pay that price I think that Biden still sounded as if he wasn't quite sure what to do and I really thought going into this debate that this was going to be an issue that Biden was going to score lots of points on because it's right in his wheelhouse right it's one of the ways that Biden has tried to distinguish himself by pointing to his experience and his toss especially around matters like foreign policy and military conflict I think I may be a. Better word for maybe the only person who spent extensive time alone with Putin as well as return to work. Toward the end of the debate the moderators ask this question is for seems to be pointed directly at the central tension that's playing out on stage will their visions attract the kind of voters that the Democrats need to beat Donald Trump well. I think their vision is the track here a lot of people I wonder what you make of the answers to that question well 1st I think it's really striking a vet the question needed to be asked in this specific way in order to draw Biden into conflict with Warren and Sanders in past debates he's been so eager to go after them on a whole range of policies in this debate there were big sections of the night where he seemed to really fade from the foreground of this thing in the moderators really sort of summon him to rise to this moment as a champion of the center in this race I'm going to say something that is probably going to offend some people here but I'm the only one who stage gotten anything really big done he does it by describing himself as the only person on a stage ever gotten big things done he talks about the Violence Against Women Act He talks about the Affordable Care Act and he runs pretty quickly into quite a challenging confrontation with both Bernie Sanders of war you know following the financial crash of 2008 I had an idea for a consumer agency that would keep giant banks from cheating people and all of the watch what ended up happening was Warren starts talking about her accomplishments she talks about what she did after the 2000 a fiscal crisis she talks about her time at the c.f.p. Be she talks about what she wants to doing they want to get something done in America we have to get out there and he said I think the things that touch there is a lot of Mary Marilyn that you had 5 been trying to come back at one end as she's talking about what she did He says I got you votes I've got photos for that bill I convinced people to vote for so let's get those things straight to she sort of lets him finish and there's a pause and you can see her almost drawing breath I am deeply grateful to President Obama who fought so hard to make sure that agency was passed into law and I and it's a real dagger because it's a reminder that some much of what Joe Biden has done in this race has been talking about Obama's record Biden doesn't handle that well understand did a hell of a job you John. Thank you. But understand the us gets unhappy about it and pushes back that you know you did well in the role that you were in meaning at the c.f.p. Be and there was just silence in the debate hall when he did it it underscored what I think has been a theme for Biden in this race and certainly throughout the night when he was present on stage which is it had this aura of Don't you understand that that this is my turn this is what I'm do and it reminded me so much of what we would see with Hillary Clinton in 2016 there was really no need if you. Look at the record that he is standing on for him to then try to sort of take a piece of her signature achievement the creation of this new regulatory agency and I think it was a reflection of her sort of lack of interest in escalating a fight with him her sort of view that it didn't make sense for her to sort of get into an extended fight with Joe Biden that she didn't come back at him harder on that front it was a real role reversal from what we've seen in the race previously were Joe Biden sort of goes from being the hunted to being of a hunter as he sort of loses loses some traction at the top of this race and so the question is who is best prepared we all have good ideas the question is how who's going to be able to get it done how can you get it done and I'm not suggesting they can't but I'm suggesting that that's what we should look at and part of that requires you not be vague tell people what it's going to cost how are you going to do it and why you're going to do it that's the way to get it done presidents are supposed to be able to persuade just to clarify it's given the sensitive moment that Joe Biden is in right now with the president's attacks on him and his son is there an argument to be made that the best thing that could happen to Biden during this to me was kind of exactly what did happen that he got to kind of hide away a little bit all the moderates one after somebody else Elizabeth Warren I think you can make the case that the best case scenario for Biden at this point is to sort of protect the base that he has right now hold steady and trust the rest of the field to stay fractured and if that's the best case for him then maybe that's what he did tonight I think it's a really really risky strategy because accounts on everybody else being ineffective at appealing to the voters who are currently supporting you so I think you could look at this as a low risk debate for Biden where he probably didn't do damage to himself actively I think you could also see it as a real missed op. To Najee for a guy who does have on match foreign policy credentials on that stage who has been victimized by the president in a way that has launched impeachment proceedings against President and who didn't sort of wrap all that together and create a bigger moment for his campaign a totally agree. Thank you good night good morning. Thanks. Maggie Haberman and cover national times. Reporters included South Coast Repertory presenting the perfect bike transcends time and cultural differences in this poetic Tale of Love Loss and healing by Julia Cho on stage beginning October $1000.00 tickets and. Software This is 89.3 k. P.c.c. Pasadena Los Angelos a community service of Pasadena City College offering the p.c.c. From his program to students who can afford tuition. Laws from n.p.r. News in Washington I'm Chase Stevens a White House meeting with bipartisan House and Senate leaders quickly dissolved into a partisan fight between President Trump and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi the speaker and top Democrats walked out of the session which Pelosi referred to as a presidential meltdown more from n.p.r. Susan Davis the president called party leaders to the White House for a meeting with top Cabinet officials to discuss the situation on the ground in Syria the meeting fell apart after the president attacked Democrats Democratic leaders said the president suggested some members of ISIS are communists and that that would make Palosi happy He then referred to the speaker as a 3rd rate politician although the speaker later said she heard it as 3rd grade politician at that point she walked out played by Majority Leader Stanley Hoyer followed minutes later by Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer as they were leaving the meeting the president said good bye We'll see you at the polls Susan Davis n.p.r. News the Capitol u.s. Forces in northern Syria are breaking down their smaller bases there and consolidating into larger ones.