You do that afterwards in the you decide to be musician after you start playing or yeah you know I felt like I was drawn to it you know and I just like the sound of the Coosa guitar and what it did to my life socially and help me meet people and me and meet girls and you know step out of the shell I was and I was bit of an interviewer did shy person at that point in my life and now I feel very much out of that box and I feel just comfortable in almost any situation socially was so for some reason the guitar helped you know and what kind of song is releasing to the time you start playing. You know a lot of Dylan a lot of whatever I could learn on the guitar usually is the 3 chord songs so there was a lot of depth and you know I remember learning leaving on a jet plane and you know it's songs that didn't involve barre chords that were you know c.f.c. Kind of signs and anything that was simple but I think I probably own only learned about $1015.00 songs and I started writing and from that point on I just learned how to play guitar based on my own songs about their song also Yasser went to. This is called The Battle of Charlottesville. It's not that they didn't happen they're here 0. Is head now to stand you rather from the me. Is it going to take it healed stance. So. Why eat from the sea can sneak into the streets like. Campbell the mouth crime neither side is gonna back the when the. You're fired in the floor is bromance something just cranes. You lane fly and honor and bleed generally. Now Friday night owl down for a bit the Cincinnati lads he keeps your Eastland leak the townspeople left the torches to block the lane. And you could hear lady hates the words they shouted the camera scarred the faces for the to explode alt. poor man is seldom to secure a nice bundle. You lane find non-air and believe it's in our lean. 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Is a very powerful song Thank You Thank You I live in Charlottesville so you know we're in this weird time you know socially where people with those kind of views are coming out of the woodwork and feeling like they can be heard out loud and usually it doesn't happen right outside your front porch you know it easily it's and someplace far away but there it was with all of its awful glory and so you know I felt obliged to write a song about it just tell the story of what happened and there's a great video for that song too now I think you think yeah I worked on that over there over the summer as well and use footage from from the events and around Charlottesville and so you know hopefully some of this discontent will go away and people will go back into the woodwork and just. But who knows for an interesting time you have a couple songs here and have come political overtones Yeah on this record now in the sixty's music created change you think that's still possible I think so you know I. Doesn't happen so much in pop music or radio and but fortunately the Internet exists and radio programs like yours exist where more people can speak their minds and music but the fact that you know corporations are owning the bigger commercial stations you know I have to laugh you know a lot of these pop songs you know. That people are saying our Political come out and I'm like are they really political Are they really taking a chance and going out on a limb and really being honest and direct and bare You know in what they're presenting and they're not they're they're really safe songs I think that's the reaction of people being rolled you know p.c. These days yeah and there's that as well and any time you do a song like the one I just played you're going to potentially lose a handful of listeners and but you're also going to be likely to gain $800.00 at the same time so it's. And I've just come to this point you know I have a career that's pretty solid that I can rely on and people are going to show up pretty much wherever I go it's not 10000 people but it's enough to put food on the table so I don't need to pander to anything but my own beliefs and I get to put them honestly and openly in my songs and that's really what makes me definable as a folk singer and in my mind anyway and and I'm just going to go for it from here I think out there's no reason why I shouldn't be is just honest and direct and speak my mind as clearly and and often as possible you Pira every year it would be 1st right I do know chemo Oklahoma Woody Guthrie Folk Festival it's great festival tell us what Woody Guthrie means to you Well he is still in sort of the what we were just talking about he kind of created the job description you know that anybody who enters into this game should really take to heart and listen to I mean I feel like I'm trying to fill his shoes I certainly not capable of filling them to the extended like 2 but he and Peter are these links in the chain you know and I feel like sometimes what he's the spike at the end of it just we're all we're all in there just trying to do our best you know if even if we could culturally move the world just by an inch you know with a single song and it's not the 1900. Sixty's you know we're blowing in the wind could actually shift people enough to maybe nudge them to get out of the Vietnam War and all those things but I do think I think we need to put up an artistic fight for the tsunami of stuff that's happening right now and create a some kind of a brick wall and art can do that and and I want my art to do it you know but I also want to write about stuff that I care about and know about and I'm not just going to write about the immigration if issue unless it hits home in a way that I can really answer that issue as an artist you know and absorb it and then put something out so I'm not chasing after political topics unless they're pounding on my door and demanding to be written about your website that sells Paul dot com and you can go to Ellis Paul music on Facebook and I'm in the Twitters zone and insta face I'm in the. All those things are happening but listen to me on Spotify please I'd like to see the listenership up there and and obviously on this beautiful program where you guys are spending me and I thank you for that one and also is new release is called the storyteller suitcase that's right now in their song else Sure I think one of the reasons why I got into doing more of the political stuff is because my children's music was it was becoming more politicized than my my dull music and the songs were having double meanings in double intentions and so that adults could listen in and figure out what I was how I was speaking to them at the same time I was speaking to their children and so. You know I think of me being a children's musician as well on the side because it's more of a silent for me than than my adult of this but it's really informing our approach my songs which has been cool. Now Ever advice can it's still your other troubles all the glories tell me yours you cannot believe me I love listening. To all your bumps in the you scratches Zair holes in all your patches that shield it's true have no matches there's a here line you feel. The hero you're the with your brain your. And your battle scars now everybody's kids hear the how they chased great white whale Some succeeded some just pale trends which get it soon for in the tribe you feel you're flying the whole wide world spin the line it's you it's just it's snowing I hear security came you can. Hear the all. Clear bring your feet again your vast sky. Everybody's got a story of all their childhood was solid glories tell me yours you cannot born Here's a cure leave Keith. Can. Keep now use your brain juice I'm thinkin you could be the next day blink in using muscle trying to hustle you give me Mama Nadi use it shows him down some pumpkin she'll could be is a do or a don't get it she'll it's true I hope it's some kid thing here is a kid if you are. We're here for. A week and your battle scars every body scan the story of all their troubles all the glories tell me you were serious Bernie there's a hero. Ellis ball in folk scene and you've a book about that same name too right I do have a chill and spoke out it's called the hero Neil and since then well 3 minutes Schoolhouse Rock songs about American heroes like Woody Guthrie's in there and Ben Franklin and Thomas Edison Rosa Parks George O'Keefe there's a bunch of people who called America home and made it a better place by committing their life to change and improving. And this records on your own label right yes this is on Rosella records which is the name of my 2 children combined Sophie rose and and it's my 1st one on this label and. Who knows I might be doing the rest of them on it's nice to own my music as well you know I was on rounder for 7 albums and it's nice to own the Masters and be able to produce whatever I want and put it out in the world what's it like having your own label a lot of work is not well yeah it's more work you know I'm having to hire people to play the role that the label would do it and publicists and radio people and fortunately I had a nice group of people working on this so the word got out really well it was at the top the folk charts from all the spends that people like you get it and so it's been doing pretty well but it's you know it's it's busy I'm spending less and less time writing songs and more time writing my business which which is hard but but I love it I love the whole thing it's a creative enterprise and even when I'm not writing songs I feel like I'm designing our work for the albums and posters and t. Shirts and I'm doing creating videos for the songs and so I'm really feeling it with art and when I'm producing So it's been a great a great run here on this one and used crowdfunding to sponsor this record like yeah we had almost a 1000 people and raised over $100000.00 which is way more than a record label has ever spent on promoting and producing one of my records so I seem to be the new business model for a lot of artists it is send you know then I know that the patriotic thing is happening now which is more of a consistent month to month kind of support network for musicians and I'm going to be setting one of those things up for me myself and in January and and realize less on a fundraiser for producing the funding to. To create all these albums and books and stuff them down so and you also do instructional D.V.D.'s to write I do I teach songwriting and I run a retreat called the New England songwriters retreat that happens every Labor Day weekend and I have an online channel it's on True Fire dot com for songwriters if any of the folks out there are songwriters and you want to join a lifestyle channel where you can get feedback on your songs and get some classes and get some writing prompts and hear other musicians play it's it's called a song factory channel aren't you fire dot com We're busy with Alice Paul in folk scene you're listening to keep the f. K. 9.7 f.m. Los Angeles elsehow on those songs sure I want to do a song here it's written by Michael came around. Heard it one night. I was teaching at a retreat called the so I know a gathering and just outside of North Carolina asked for care. And in the circle song writers at night around midnight I heard Michael do this song and I had to pull him aside and just loved it so much. I can feel the new big kill me and. Change his shot in the rain I can feel the wheels of progress home and I'm just waitin on the Election Day. From you and try to keep me quiet. But I think. I got to follow this in a moment besides. You're going to hear again on the election days. I'll be here Sheehan. You won't keep me away me. All they walk in from. The last. On Live share day. You bet more in the shack bill. Good nor It's so quiet the week. Make you. Know you're not friends you forgot that you work for me so just say vacuum gained prominence today I would keep them in the laying. Top tips are good. We're going to fix a come election day. So now the curry days over it's time to polish up their resumes. Maybe spend more of. Your fat legs started good action. May here next in the day. Won't keep me away. I'll be walking. On lick shit. Hole. On Lake shipping me. Elice Paul in folk scene you don't do too many non original songs right I don't you know I'm trying to make a point this time around and the next feel albums of Paul and couple songs from people that I know and love and meet along the way I saw Morgan with a lot of songwriters up and coming people I have a lot of great friends and peers who whose music I love and. And I'm going to try and put at least one or 2 cover songs of those people that I feel like he's a little more attention and be heard and you know kind of push him forward a little bit so that yeah I was by Michael came around and there's another song on the record by a person that I work with as a songwriting mentor and yeah makes me feel good just to share their music and it certainly keeps the quality of the album up on the songs great well one of your earliest mentors was Bill Morsi great songwriter way Bill Morsi Yeah we can you tell us about well it's funny you should mention Bill because I just saw as ex-wife at a show mine about a week ago and her just reminiscing spend the whole night reminiscing about how we met and Bill came out to see me play he was basically dragged by his wife at the time she wanted him and she she really loved my music and she wanted him to hear it and so she dragged him out and I think it was reluctantly at 1st and. Bill heard me play and he fell in love with it and he asked if he could produce my record and you know for me Bill was the closest thing to Van Gogh in town you know he was he was like a master craftsman and he knew the ropes and he wasn't pretending to be a full on artist he was a full on artist and we knew it based on his behavior and this quality of the songs that he wrote and so sitting at his feet and hearing his stories and hearing his philosophy and music and art and the world completely it was mind blowing and I'm very very lucky to have had that moment with him and. And it was a stepping stone into the path that I've I've built for myself and you know when it came time to pay bill for the effort that he put in my record he refused money and he said Pay it forward so I've spent my life as an artist mentoring other artists up and coming artists doing these retreats and helping people out helping them get established across the country and have done it with on cd of the cotton Rebecca little being paid doctor man and such a clear and and countless others that have just jumped on in the car with me intervene around with me and now I'm broadening it to teaching people online and mentoring people online and running these songwriters retreats and in a lot of it has to do with the bell just what a great gift he gave to me by giving him a leg up by pulling me up into the you know and to a higher rung of the latter as an artist and as a professional musician we must have no free time at all when you're doing you know I think the people in my life that I'm the hardest working man in show business in the folk business and I don't mind having that as as a sticker on the back of my car I love I love what I do so I'm very lucky to be able to do it were you sing with us Paul on folk scene about our song sure this song is called the storyteller suitcase and it's really you know we were talking about the life of being a musician in this and this is a song about that very thing and it's a thank you to the people that attend the shows and. You can kind of like either a lifestyle or a song for the people that are thinking about entering the game other. Than. My. Tour Reid selling soup Chiles with a whiskey bottle and no blood kin soon. I met bird still damsel. Tomcats work in a min that scam down take me home brother chill the limit kill moon. If you girl wrong and this gypsy barks cards to the town sing Iran. Just when you're thinking girl lose yourself in the scene name upon a neon sign on. The path to sooth Cheers swollen the storyteller's me here in the old it's an. Old school it's still a canoe Selinda. Moats. Hold. Still way down bring the strangest or Bell sleep Black says they're sleeping then and no man. You'll meet country stars with mini bars still a man in the name back in your car and lovers and brother lose movin make him a little measuring. The if you're a girl Rai in this poll it's higher. If friendships are how you keep suppose. This song is just a sellout in kids they can open any palace to news. On the impact the sooth Chaves hold the storytellers make the old beliefs never again to sell them. And the sound. They were old lawyer strings is things has come to the abiding gain because everything the way they came back a killing. In the kill eat me and spy life it is so loud nothing other sell the n.t. This is there is no you're listening to all the silver Go Radio k p f k 90.7 f.m. Long sides of us 98.7 f.m. Santa Barbara and streaming global layout of k. Dot org Tell me about the limited edition the the deluxe version of the record Well the deluxe version of the record Well there it's interesting you probably got at focusing the thinnest version of the album and then there's a deluxe hard copy 40 page book version on the record and then the very delicate to Lux version is a small suitcase that comes with one of my teaching courses it comes with a flask it comes of the journal MacGyver style multi loose pan with a compass light cellphone stand screwdriver Philips and regular and and then a u.s.b. Port with a $320.00 Alice Paul songs on and ship of a little guitar and all of that can be purchased at the Web site but it's pretty cool if you want to dive into my life as an artist and get my life's work that's the way to do it and. It's on the road with me those little suitcases and I saw him at the shows and they've been they've been a lot of fun what song we do for us next I'd like to do a song called The Innocence in the afterlife and it's about a discussion I had with my daughter this whole record is based on days out of my life that I generated through asking myself some personal questions like What was the most profound thing you've ever had as a conversation and. That was to discuss me tween Ella my 5 year old and me after her her grandfather had passed away. And. This is it is just me explaining what the afterlife is to a 5 year old's most profound conversation ever had it's called the innocence and the afterlife. This is my. King true life story. Of karma to me and the coincidence of the afterlife because in this I would shut down the father screw. By him Father see an inch in. The sweet. First ever after surrounded by its He fears and laughter he steps in the crate and down. Into the air after the a field. Goal us the mysterious after me. Now on Fan long stream ride home I was an orphan in that's why I. Prayed and that by the same name I made some big to my father school. But no one came who shared my name till my jotter the other 5 year old lavish asked me where did papa true. When in doubt. Leave. Oh believe instant. Poll tonight of the Syrian Yes And now after me. I said honey some keep full moon believe me there when he down. If you are to heaven. And if they are our aim which is their own way hidden and there will be found they with open arms. To loved. Displeasing. There we're nothing more than 6 tired ass we are true incentives mantissa Tartus to be richer. But honey the goodish step believe that you can build a life of could karma. And in the afterlife it won't harm here you come back as a living thing. Like a bird that sing and sing. Pull off the knighting in soon enough to life again. And so my father says to me. Well found could I come back is a poppy. I said it is diverted to this ng it's true. But then the forest chasing conspiracy came she said things if I keep packets of company. Will last me. To hear. All this. Shawl her a man sure said. The Afterlife me he ends in. Pulling me things. In and. You fellows Paul in folk scene else how do you write songs you sit down and say I can write a song today or do you just come to you Well I think people kind of like a running Journal of ideas and some of them are captured on my cell phone I'll be on there at all think of an idea write the title and the concept down on paper and sometimes I'll sing a melody and then when I have stretches of time to focus on you know something those ideas and actually songs I'll spend a stretch of like 5 days writing and writing and writing and writing and get the 1st draft of 3 or 4 of them together and and then over the next few months just editing and you know refining the idea and seeing where the idea goes and but for the most part you know I find that when I'm fictionalizing that I have to work a lot harder for that sense of authenticity and heart and soul and when they come in spring out of my life or when they're about subjects that I love and care about then are moved by and I can find their emotional center they come pretty easy and they're a little bit easier to write about the thing is like Kenny I'm imagine like a fairly fearless now like I can the conversation I had with my daughter about the afterlife ended up with both of us crying you know and it was in like an hour long conversation and I thought to myself well is that something that I can whittle down into a 3 minute song and and I know that I can I just have to find the throughline it's like any good documentary filmmaker will have 300 hours of footage for a 2 hour movie and so now I feel like there's nothing that I I can't write about I just have to find the through line and and the heart and soul of it and see if I can capture it like a firefly you know jar you have law unfinished song sitting around or. You know I probably written 6 or 700 songs I've probably recorded 3 or 400 of them and I've probably. Got you know 2 or 3000 and ideas that never were finished and never started but are they exist somewhere in journals and exist somewhere on my phone and in my computer banks and so you know whenever I feel like there's a dry spell I don't have ideas I just go back and pick up a journal off my shelf from 1992 and find out what the young I was appalled was thinking about and and polish song out of that now the lyrics mean the same to you over the years of the change the meaning of the song well I get I think I get an objective sense of what the song is about over time a better objective sense I also see a lot of you know my editor and my teacher my mentor comes and nowadays because I'm doing so much of that with other people and I'm looking at myself in my twenty's and thirty's and I'm asking myself why did I allow that line to set when I could come in there and fixed and shopped and cleaned and refined and all the stuff that I feel like I'm so good at now I which I didn't care about back then in the same way but you know I'm proud of my catalog I'm proud of the growth in the path and and some of my best lyrics are still lyrics I wrote in my twenty's and thirty's and I can see it and you know I hear some of those lines I was just thinking about a song I wrote recently because I was requested last night at a house concert I did in a song called If you break down and she wanted to hear it at the show so I listened to it on tape to find out how to play it again and I'm like wow this is this is really one of my best songs and I'm I haven't played it and you know 20 years in front of an audience so there's still surprising me and for as many songs as I love there are songs that I wish I could rewrite in cleanup but now I'm just trying to again like still be in the game still have my heart in the game still have my insight in the game and and write songs that move people and make people laugh and do the the things I need to do in order to have another 50 years doing this well known song else sure. 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It was great Alice Paul and focusing you can find that song on his new release The Storyteller suitcase keep your website with more time else yet sell us Paul dot com ya'll can follow me on Spotify Twitter Instagram all that stuff you just put Ellis Paul in your Google search engine you can find all of those things and track down my tour schedule on coming to a town near you and love to have it come out to a show what are your future plans well I'm going to be triggering this nationals who are the storytellers who case for the next year and a half takes me about that long to play the whole country coast to coast in every club that I play every years and and then in the course of the next year I'm going to be writing and recording another album and hopefully in some time and 2021 will be releasing the next record and and obviously you know doing retreats teaching and doing art and children's music and all the stuff on the side that I loved the Ellis thank you so much for coming to a very welcome Alan I'm so proud of you for continuing legacy this shell that your parents built over the years I'm trying yeah it's great to see him time former song can I put you on the spot ask you to kick off the lights sure her he said Ok yeah me. 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Are you single or am flying God get you to come to the club show game freight train Sunday Morning Coming Down to push on a man in Reno the bathes Hamilton a moron. Like you big kid you know nothing to. Johnny Johnny Cash he told blames Johnny Cash as Johnny Cash Johnny he told John that China cats John King Cole. Killed her kids. Tell us thank you so much for doing that and so much for coming down the a gallon Thank you good luck with the show and thanks for playing my songs on people listening to folks in our special guest has been Ellis Paul to the show was engineer by Peter Keller thank you to any Wallman for the use of long house that was or visit there was public or is timber 30th of this year and very small kind of next with head room at 8 o'clock let's get some more music in right now and that's when we can here's Charlie Crockett on folk scene. Bob Dylan folksy keeping a k. 9.7 f.m. 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