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Government plan to open up the Arctic Ocean for drilling I've had nightmares of people drilling in my ocean I mean I say my I'm talking about my people plus my guests Claire Fox director of the Institute of ideas and Carl Sharon who is an architect satirist and Mideast comic Peter that's after the news. Hello I'm Rosemary Crick with the b.b.c. News China and South Korea have welcomes new United Nations sanctions against North Korea on Saturday the Security Council voted to impose new sanctions on Pyongyang's exports in response to North Korea's testing last month of what it claimed were 2 ballistic missiles the Chinese foreign minister Wang he stressed that punitive action should be a path towards negotiations. Sure. Sanctions are necessary but sanctions are not the ultimate goal our goal is to bring all parties involved in the nuclear issues back to the negotiating table finding a way through talks to realize that the nuclearization of the Korean Peninsula in its Sunday edition North Korea's ruling party newspaper said a sea of fire would end Gulf the u.s. If it attacked the u.s. Secretary of state Rex Tillerson is attending the Summit of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations in Manila alongside the North Korean foreign minister really on the whole mystery is already in talks with his Chinese counterpart while Mr Tennyson is meeting the South Korean foreign minister from Manila Here's how it Johnson today's gathering presents a rare opportunity for America North Korea to meet face to face talks with the u.s. State Department has already downplayed any chance of that happening in a press briefing this week at Department officials said Mr Tillerson has no plans to meet the North Korean foreign minister in Manila is that the United States will use the forum to persuade partners in the region to force fresh u.n. Sanctions against Pyongyang earlier this week Mr Tillotson said North Korea isn't America's enemy but said that the country was presenting an unacceptable threat which required a response the leading Venezuelan opposition figure Leopoldo Lopez has been returned to house arrest after being held for 4 days in a military prison Mr Lopez had been detained on Tuesday along with another opponent of the government Antonio Ledesma he was released bent to house arrest on Friday President Trump had called for the immediate release. Belgian officials have admitted that they knew in June that Dutch eggs might be contaminated with insecticide the Food Standards Agency said it kept the knowledge secret because it was conducting a fraud investigation into the issue Jessica Macallan reports the veterinary drug fit for a novel can cause liver kidney and thyroid problems in humans and is not supposed to be used on animals destined for consumption how it got into the food supply is now the subject of a criminal investigation in the Netherlands the German agriculture minister also believe somebody deliberately contaminated the produce Dutch authorities have temporarily closed around $180.00 of the country's port and supermarkets in Belgium Germany and the Netherlands have removed eggs from the affected farms from the shelves was their weight the results of tests world news from the b.b.c. a Former president of the European Commission Romano Prodi has warned that Britain will be facing economic suicide unless it's prepared to compromise to reach a Brics it deal in an interview with The Observer newspaper the former Italian prime minister said the Europe wide economic consequences of failure had been heavily underestimated and he said he believed a historical compromise would have to be reached the French authorities are reportedly investigating all $271.00 suspected jihadist middle minute since it returned to the country from war zones in Iraq and Syria in an interview with the newspaper Allision al do demolish the interior minister. Said it was difficult to confirm how many French nationals have been killed fighting alongside Islamic states militants state media in China says Chinese police have arrested 77 suspected fraudsters in the Pacific island nation of Fiji and taken them home in the news agency says those detained were involved in more than 50 cases of Fame and isn't it fraud involving nearly a $1000000.00. In his farewell individual race you saying bolt of Jamaica has failed to win the World title in the 100 metres sprint bolt had source one last victory before retiring from competition but at the World Athletics Championships he came 3rd behind the American Justin Gatlin a man band twice for doping offenses Gatlin was booed by the capacity crowd at London's Olympic Stadium but speaking to the b.b.c. Later Gatlin said he hoped be proud he was that sprint champion he said you same boat but also given him his blessing were rivals on the track we have a right we want to track throughout the years but in the warm air with Jordan we still have a good time the person said to me is Bradley says We work hard but if they say you don't deserve all these moves. I think the border I think before inspire me throughout my year on my career is a great he's an amazing man b.b.c. News. The time now it's 6 o 6 g.m.t. Welcome to Weekend from the b.b.c. World Service with me and on and coming up a little bit later how one Alaskan town feels about the u.s. Government's plans to open up the Arctic Ocean for oil drilling I don't want my seat to get contaminated with oil it's let's take a living hell of a little boy. There is an opportunity coexist together an opportunity for not only in history to thrive but then also the local to reform to the. Let me introduce my 2 guests 1st though Claire Fox's director of the Institute of ideas and Carl Cheryl is an architect a satirist and a Middle East commentator my welcome to both of you thank you for joining us on a Sunday morning now clear one of the projects that you are currently involved in this is a series of prison debates is that right yes we're going into prison. Specifically . Birmingham and we're having a series of very intense debates actually the the prisoners have to do a lot of prep for this. Lots of background readings cross-examined by. Series of judges who will tell have to be hard on them which. I think judges to go in and say they welcome the something do they want to do it and yet they volunteer we did it last year and we were anxious and nervous but I have to say that it was one of the most inspiring things that we did I think the most important thing is the British presence at the moment are an absolute chaos there's been riots we actually did the debates in Birmingham last year there was a riot afterwards but I don't think they were related. This is actually intellectual Pugilism and the most inspiring thing was how seriously the guys took the practice they did they were they were both modest and articulate in equal order and they are you know category b. Prisoners so they're not this is not kind of white collar crime by any stretch of imagination. But they have an aspiration and they want some intellectual stimulation I think the prison could do with a lot more intellectual stimulation there might be a lot less writing Yeah Carl No I said you're an architect and I know you're working on various projects but you've got something really interesting coming up on the satire side I think yeah this weekend so I've been doing you know what I call to myself it's clash of civilizations that. Play on the conflict of interest and West and I'm after a few years of doing it and find. Testing it out and stand up form an atom or on Saturday in summer hall and it's part of assured that combines many other performers over a month it's a cabaret set up in summer hall and you know it's going to be a test whether I came through digital satire and interesting experiment to see if that translates into live performance and I cited about it as somebody who follows call on her on Twitter I think. So brilliantly insightful and for me at the same time I really recommend the book and see the show in that well I would love to ask you about 500 more questions off the back of that but I'm afraid we'll leave it there and yeah I do look out for Karl So now let's begin with one of the big stories this morning the deepening political crisis in Venezuela one of the 1st orders of business of Venezuela's controversial new constituent assembly was to sack the country's chief prosecutor Luis Ortega deepening the political crisis there further Mr taiko he's been a vocal critic of President Nicolas Maduro and the new assembly was prevented from entering her office by the security forces she denounced the government's actions. This is a dictatorship the abuse that's being experienced in Venezuela the repression not only are they arbitrarily detaining people they are prosecuting them with military justice and now they are letting the chief prosecutor enter the head courses now the B.B.C.'s Will Grant He's been reporting from Venezuela in recent years was in Caracas last week to cover the election of the new constituent assembly last Sunday's election was marred by violence with widespread protests at least 10 people were killed he spent reflecting on what may lie ahead now for a divided Venezuela. I write this as the plane sweeps out of Venezuela over its rocket Caribbean coastline and soaring away from the Avalon the majestic jungle covered mountain that separates Caracas from the se behind me I can still make out the shanty towns which creep up the foothills gradually encroaching into the national park when many poor rebuilt their homes after a devastating mudslide left thousands dead in 1909 that was the year over Chavez took power it is hard to know what the late socialist leader would make of Venezuela today his designated successor Nicolas Maduro presides over a country in chaos and in crisis the economy is in ruins inflation rampant corruption in Demick and violence pirating out of control the oil price upon which Venezuela's economy is predicated is comparatively low Chavez enjoyed a boom with which he funded the popular social programs which kept his voters in love with him and his socialist revolution Mr Madoff enjoys no such luxury Venezuela can no longer afford to import basic goods bringing widespread food shortages and long queues protests have become more radical and been met with uncompromising repression from the state. It was against that background that the controversial election for a new legislative body was held as someone who has covered many elections in the us Weyler Chavez used to average one a year this was like no other I have seen their 1st I was pleased to even get in many journalists myself included have been turned away at the airport or denied visas in recent months it was refreshing to once again walk through immigration safe in the knowledge I had the right paperwork in my passport but the vote was odd from the very start the opposition chose to boycott the entire process not wanting to lend it any legitimacy by participating So already we were only talking about a minority turning out to cast their ballots campaigning was almost nonexistent reports reached us of public workers being pressured to turn out one state employee forwarding me a message she had received from her bosses unlike previous votes there was no obvious presence of election observers come the day itself the city was on a knife edge the vote was held in as hostile an environment as I've seen in Venezuela young men and women many of them just children really were manning barricades around the city wearing Baloch lovers fashioned out of t. Shirts motorbike became the most reliable way of getting around the city itself like this slip towards anarchy and the gradual erosion of the rule of law the times Caracas was a ghost town is notorious traffic absent as people prefer to stay in their homes rather than risk running into conflict one night with a Venezuelan friend we went out on the back of a motorbike taxis to go from a small opposition demonstration to a small pro-government one we sped through the city's empty streets weaving past the remnants of broken barricades and the security forces resting against their armored cars are both events we found people tired of the conflict yet unable to bridge the divide between them it all makes for a chaotic and exhausting. Time for Venezuelans from my vantage point on the 20th floor of a hotel I looked out on Caracas on my last night to me it is a beautiful city but Caracas is also a seismic city earthquakes and tremors a common so I leave it once again it strikes me that this disputed boycotted and bitter election will cause ripples and aftershocks through Venezuela's politics and society for many months to come and that was the B.B.C.'s Will Grant reflecting on what's happening there in Venezuela Claire Fox thoughts on Venezuela because my goodness you know how things have changed in just a few years Yeah absolutely and but I think we have you know if you look at the debates currently now in the coverage of it as well I think countries do experience these tumultuous periods you know there's the Tama turmoil of transition economic and political transition but what I find really odd about the way that the it's being covered now and discussed is being you know treated as if it's the final confrontation between free market capitalism and socialism and I think that's completely misleading and I think a lot of people particularly in the West from both sides are placing so much investment into it as if it's going to finally prove or disprove this 2 different ideologies when the reality is in fact much more complicated and it's not at all a straightforward story and these ideological competition can I just as scuse me is that because I mean essentially you had a government to go to a business you know using oil on the free market but then at home you know socialist policies so it's not that one of the other is wrong it's just the way in which the 2 came together I mean I don't know maybe both are wrong but the point is we're not that that condition today where these 2 you know grand ideology is competing on the world stage the reality. Is Vannes Well I was able to sustain a certain amount of policies I mean I resent that they're called populists they're tend to kind of restore the balance the tradition in Latin America favored the rich and I know that because Lebanese immigration to Latin America has been happening for a long time and I have family and friends over there and there's also the other background to it is the American intervention and meddling you know us in particular in Latin America in propping up right wing dictatorship happened for a very long time so there's a there's a very complicated context to how these things emerge and I think my my fear is when it gets internationalized and you start people meddling from the outside it's only going to which we've seen in the Middle East over and over and over again internationalize what would have been contained national contest could be resolved within the boundaries Yeah I mean I think one of things is computing's is that you know Chavez was overromanticized by the West and left actually you know is as a socialist I mean he might or call him self a socialist it doesn't mean that we have to take any notice of that phrase I mean he's much more kind of a Peronist or Bonapartist you know kind of not quite so I think some of the trends with their I mean I don't necessarily think that amatory is kind of betraying the memory of Chavez I mean he's casually the inheritor of that but he may be less objectively f a verbal conditions for him to pull it off in terms of kind of the domestic world and I think the calls got a real point I mean it's this summit but there's something slightly unsavory about what's now happening which is that you know Venezuela issue has been used to kind of redefine and have an argument in the British Labor Party about whether Jeremy Corbin supports him or not the Tories bashing Corbin but then also some of the anti Corbin labor rights kind of Blairites also being a little bit using me do you think you know it's not all about you I mean talk about a kind of narcissism. When you're trying to understand something that's happening internationally and they were going to only discuss themselves in relation to it is then the complicated it is absolutely to be condemned there and I do think that there is a kind of obvious what it is that the has been a certain apologists and insect into the Labor Party which I think that the Left needs to just ditch and get rid of and I know that when I was criticizing Chavez a few years ago I mean people were saying to me say use it so you want to betray the revolution in support CIA I could use him as a bit like God if you reduce politics to that kind of simplistic nonsense of women ever going to understand anything I think a bit more sophistication a little bit more modest in trying to understand what's going on is required here Claire Karl thank you very much you're listening to the b.b.c. World Service I'm on and with weekend and a reminder of our main headlines this morning China and South Korea say they hope a new u.n. Sanctions on North Korea will pave the way for talks with Pyongyang will be talking a bit more about North Korea's nuclear program and where those talks and sanctions are going but let's turn to Germany now because a new equal marriage law means that same sex couples should be able to get married from October until now is only civil partnerships that were available and they lack some rights it's not necessarily equal though for all gay parents and with German elections due in September the issue is still a political one Damian McGinnis reports now from Berlin. Summer in Berlin a time of gay street festivals lesbian lover club breakers Passy with flamboyant drag queens well contented looking middle aged couple sitting on benches sipping beer and this year the something very special to celebrate equal marriage I found Look listen we're just happy that we're no longer seen as inferior until now we always have this feeling of being worthless that's hopefully now over Europe has been in a civil partnership with Patrick for 10 years and they have 2 young children even a family. We are a family what's known as a rainbow family and now we are hopefully finally a completely normal family one day we will be able to say to our children that we are completely normal parents like everyone else but for some gay parents the law doesn't go far enough if a woman in a same sex marriage has a child for example her partner is not automatically a legal parent so a harrowing and intrusive adoption process is the only option it can take years and during that time she has no parental rights says Constanza coner from the gay rights group ls v.d. As of your destiny need to have the possibility that things can be regulated legally the full conception regardless of what it is a known father or whether the child was conceived through a sperm bank that way families can be legally protected secured signs island with ya having just emerged of a 195 it was given was I with those White House at the end of June 6th there was a standing a vacation in Parliament and even tears in a shower of confetti from some M.P.'s was someone who wasn't cheering though was Chancellor Angela Merkel like most of her party she voted no to me she is the year for me marriage is defined in the German constitution as between a man and a woman and I hope the vote will lead not only to me to respect but it can also foster peace and solidarity within our society to shuffle the advantage in fact there is partly thanks to makeover the vote here in parliament happened at all elections are in September center left rivals the s.p.d. Had hoped to turn gay marriage into a campaign issue but she outmaneuvered them the burdens s.p.d. Mayor Michelle Miller though it's still very much an issue. That she. Self has not been engaged with this topic has been shown by how she voted she voted no and so it's clear it's a pure election tactic and in almost every case voters take something like that badly that it's just a political tactic. On the back of the Gay Street Festool people don't necessarily agree you go like this just as a gauge to her girlfriend yeah that's not who was the one who enabled this to be a vote of conscience so that's a good thing she has her opinion which she's allowed and I can put up with that over the last few years the mood of the country has shifted and Merkel has found herself trumps between growing support for equal marriage and her conservative voter base so although she might not be celebrating point like this perhaps she has managed to defuse an explosive election issue and possibly even further boosted unready strong lead in the polls. And that was Damian McGinnis reporting from Germany let's get the thoughts of my 2 guests Claire Fox and Carl Shero Claire. It's fascinating this cover things are fascinating about this. Very sympathetic to the person who just said you know Merkel and get some credit for this whatever she was she voted because she introduced and matters of conscience are very important and I think that it is important after we have seen on the international stage people absolutely handed fall having views which go against the grain of a kind of more politically correct acceptable kind of attitude to to gay marriage or or equal marriage whatever that you know that that's accepted the Merkel has one of the. But I think it's ironic because Merkel has also been something of a heroine of the kind of liberal a cosmopolitan European Union and it's been very interesting watching people kind of get confused about how to do. Deal with the fact that this person that they've settled as kind of like everyone else is back with xenophobic right and that's your in the e.u. Which is open and she has an attitude on on equal marriage when she votes against it actually people kind of go away we were mentioned that should we move on to move on because it doesn't quite fit so you know I always get nervous about the whole gay marriage thing this has really become of the sickening thing where you you have to be on the right side or you'll be hounded out apply society and that is not healthy for an open political atmosphere to buy discussion car yeah I think what's interesting about it for me is. You know we're we're witnessing what some people are calling the collapse of the Western liberal order and I don't know whether that's an exaggeration but in terms of the weakening of the us authority within that Merkel was touted as the sort of the successor. And I never understood why it needs to be the American president anyway I mean we in the 3rd world never voted on than we never decided who gets to be. The leader of the free world but I think you know in that all of this excitement about kind of finding a successor It was as if kind of liberalism you know post World War 2 That whole notion was trying to find a symbol and then they honed in on Merkel and I and I think Merkel what people don't realize about her a lot of people outside of German don't realize is how much of a pragmatist she is but also in that pragmatism she can tend to be over rule democracy and democratic debates so she's prone to kind of spontaneous decisions like you know closing down Germany's nuclear power in the aftermath of even the way the way she dealt with the refugee situation which she group got a lot of credit for but again it was many of these instances were done without proper democratic engagement and I think that's very very problematic in the long term for the West and I think if people are really looking for a symbol to him percent allies. They need someone who's more kind of committed the rather than pragmatist really interesting thank you both Let's turn now to a pretty big sports news if you were watching the World Athletics Championships yesterday let's go to Andrew Rawnsley and you a knight of real anticlimax was in it for the same bolt Yes and we can no longer call him the world's fastest man in his last 100 meters race before retiring he came 3rd Justin Gatlin The American took gold at the World Athletics Championships and watching at the London stadium was at Hari bolts final 100 meters was never supposed to end like this no 4th World title over the distance for the great Jamaican after a race he never looked like winning the world record holder was always chased down the latest here he didn't get close to the young American Christian Coleman but it was an athlete twice bound for doping offenses who spoiled this farewell party booed in victory by capacity crowd having regained a title which was lost his 12 years ago well bolt was the 1st to congratulate Gatlin who showed his appreciation in return were rivals on the track we have already won the track throughout the years in the warm air with Jordan we don't have a good time a person said to me if graduations were part of this he said you don't deserve all these moves. I think the porter I think the 4 inspire me throughout my year on my career he's a great he's an amazing man lots of cricket so with India very much in charge in Sri Lanka England have a firm grip on the final Test against South Africa Alison Mitchell looks ahead to day $31.00 more wickets in English will be able to start building on what ought to be a substantial and likely match winning 1st innings lead and inspired spell from James Anderson last night from his upon Asli name to end up in the gate for England at a time when the game had slowed in South Africa were reluctant to attack his 3 for 6 of 24 both left him with 4 for 33 and pave the way for broader knowing to take the final 3 wickets that fell in eventful evening session when England do battle be an important innings again for Keaton Jennings possibly his last chance to prove his credentials as I was to Cook's opening partner. 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News with Rosemarie Creek China and South Korea have welcomes new economic United Nations sanctions against North Korea but both Beijing and Seoul stressed they hope the imposition of sanctions might lead to negotiations and it Sunday edition North Korea's ruling party newspaper said a sea of fire would end Gulf the United States if it attacked the u.s. Secretary of state Rex Tillerson is Meanwhile attending the Summit of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations in Manila along with the North Korean foreign minister. The State Department said there were no plans for the 2 to meet privately mystery did however meet the Chinese Foreign Minister one year he said he had urged his North Korean counterpart to abide by the un resolutions the wife of Venezuela's leading opposition figure Leopoldo Lopez says he's been returned to house arrest after being held for 4 days in a military prison Mr Lopez was detained on Tuesday along with another opponent of the government and 20 Ledesma Belgian officials have admitted they knew in June that eggs from Dutch farms might be contaminated with insecticide Belgium's food safety agency said to kept quiet because of a fraud investigation the drug can cause liver kidney and phone problems shops in Belgium the Netherlands and Germany have removed the eggs from sale of former president of the European Commission Ramani Prodi has warned that Britain will be facing economic suicide and that is prepared to compromise to reach a Brics it deal in an interview with The Observer newspaper Mr Prodi said the Europe wide economic consequences of failure had been heavily underestimated in his last individual race the Jamaican sprinter Usain Bolt has failed to win the World title in the 100 meters at the World Athletics Championships he came 3rd behind the American Justin Gatlin a man who had served 2 doping bans b.b.c. 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World Service with me and on and my 2 guests in our London studio this morning here in London Claire Fox is the director of the Institute of ideas and Carl Shero is an architect satirist and Middle East commentator we'll hear from both of them in just a moment now Iraq's 2nd city Mosul fell to the group calling itself the Islamic state back in June of 2014 but last month it was recaptured by the Iraqi army and its various affiliated militias it was a brutal battle fought over months as Iraqi forces fought street by street to retake the city and Islamic state fighters put up stubborn resistance I've a Prickett is an Irish photojournalist who's witnessed the last days of the fighting he was on assignment for The New York Times in the western part of Mosul and I caught up with him a few days ago I got there towards the end of the official operations to clear the old city if you remember the prime minister announced that the city was liberated around the middle of July and it was our father that I made most of these pictures and did most of my reporting because the fighting continued and this is when probably some of the most brutal operations had to take place as they searched street by street house by house to take out the last remaining fighters who were there so again it was very difficult to be there on the ground while this was going on because essentially there was there was a media blackout anyone who was there will will know that it was incredibly difficult to be there and be on the ground to see what was going on during this period I mean our for today made the official announcement so I was often going in . You know it's slightly are for the fact or just a few steps behind it was what you could see you know the argument that you could see that bore a testament to you know the brutality of what had taken place just the rubble that you were walking over the the stone you know of the ancient houses in the old city was turned to dust it was pulverized it was hard to discern where streets were warehouses were at $1.00 of the commanders I was with said the rubble we were walking on was basically the height of the 2nd level of the you know the 2nd story of the houses that once were there and I want to describe your pictures because as you say amidst those apologised lives you get these glimpses of people one of the photographs is of a man carrying a little boy who is naked he looks almost like he's asleep or he's just so exhausted his eyes are closed tell us the story of that point because that was quite extraordinary. Yeah that's one of the most incredible moments I've witnessed throughout the whole time I was covering the fight for Mosul and I was with the counter-terrorism Special Forces guys near the frontline you know there was still ongoing fighting less than a couple 100 meters away and they brought in a man carrying this boy who crossed the front lines moments before and he was a man of fighting age he didn't know anything about the child his story was that he picked the boy up as he was fleeing you know added the kindness of his heart and save this child but the guys I was with didn't buy that for a 2nd because they know that anyone still trying to flee the ISIS held areas was shot and so they couldn't really you know fathom that this guy made it out alive so presume that he had just picked up this boy he was an ISIS fighter picked up this boy to use as a human shield he was taken away you know almost immediately for interrogation and then they were left with this child who they didn't know anything about and prominently the child just too young and too shell shocked to really be able to tell them didn't speak a word yeah it was probably too young to speak but it was also definitely completely shell shocked and stunned and so there was you know there was a few moments where they they didn't really know what to do the commander just binds the child on his lap but it was amazing the the whole kind of squad of men there who were battle hardened are you know well years of fighting just melted at the side of this child and put their guns down and started caring for him you know they really didn't know what to do and the situation at that point was so bad there were so few people still coming out of that area and I witnessed other groups coming out where there were dozens of children with you know just a few adults and they they would tell me the. They didn't know who the parents where either of these these other children they've just taken them out because the parents had been killed or were missing and that was the situation that we were in at that time and so the commander on the spot just decided to adopt the child and singled out one of his men who he knew hadn't been able to have children with his partner and told him to take the boy and I watched as they yeah they washed they washed the boy washed his clothing and waited for this guy to come and you know it all happened so quickly one of the worst that there was still fighting going on very nearby and this officer turned up with the child away and it was really sweet because up until that point he looked very shocked and you know it was just wide eyed looking around at everyone had cried at certain points while they were washing him but as soon as this guy turned up and just took him in his arms and kind of put him over his shoulder he fell asleep instantly and they were whisked away they were put on and that was it that was Ivor Prickett and I was photojournalist and he was in Mosul but he was speaking there to me from New York where he's based. Karl I know you are part Lebanese part Iraqi listening to the descriptions of Mosul now after all of that fighting what do you want. I mean it's an absolutely tragic situation. And it pains me to see Iraq in this condition but I think there's been a lot of kind of debate about the battle of Mosul and how it was conducted and its necessity but I think it was an absolutely crucial thing for Iraq to do to go towards rebuilding itself you know and reestablishing the authority of the central state and kind of been much much more than that to try to give a sense of purpose and a meaning for what Iraq is because it's been really for decades now under a lot of pressure brought in by a lot of external intervention and the u.s. Invasion and all of that so it's going to be really hard to to pull Iraq again together and to kind of give it. A sense of collective meaning and there's going to be a lot of difficulties about how that's negotiated and we've seen a lot of that went Mosul but I think it was absolutely crucial to get that of 30 again and you saw moments that weren't quite captured in the media outside of cross communitarian solidarity even though as bad as you know some of the villagers behavior was and all of that you saw a kind of a coming together behind that sense of purpose and it's bloody and it's violence but I think it will lead to better things and we need to Iraq is kind of. They didn't do it entirely on their own but they're going to have to confront this dismantle from within and try to rebuild the country and with it I hope they'll be a long long term resilience but I just wish that people would put this in this kind of a more long term context and appreciate how that's going to feed into making this country a more resilient place and I hope the sacrifices will then make people appreciate their country even more clear you often participate in a program here on the b.b.c. Called The Moral Maze and I just wonder your thoughts on that story of the little boy you know so emblematic of the kind of displacement and you know what the kinds of dilemmas people are facing in the aftermath of such a violent conflict here is he may have a family they didn't part of finding out simply adopted him well listen on the 100 humane story on the other hand he did think you can't just go around snatching kids to adopting them I mean one would hate one would want to hope that somehow the parents of. Of displaced children of seemingly orphaned children will emerge in the confusion of the war and will grow looking for you know you can imagine the kind of romantic I mean God brutal but you know the kind of I'm searching for my 2 year old have you seen them sorry he's now been adopted by this you know yeah he that kind of really so although it's a kind of very human story I was kind of it's really troubling but I don't want to condemn the guys who did it but I also think that one of them was a great interview you did with that photo journalist and I think that it was very human. But what I think it really reflected was the brutality of war and I don't want to condemn it in a kind of easy way and I think the call you're right to remind us of you know the re-import reasons why these things happen but there's no doubt about it when he was hinting you haven't seen enough of it right now and in fact I must say that you know what we just played was a fraction of my nomination and then we talk. About ISIS fighters and suspected ISIS fighters how they're being held the widows of suspected ISIS fighters and what they're going through yeah I mean you know you know we all know about the Barbara Barbara ism of ISIS and we want to see the maps illegally thrashed no doubt about that but there will be all sorts of you know goal things happening the reason I referred to that is because we had an earlier conversation about the aftermath of the Bosnian war and you know I suppose that's why I was saying that you have to be very careful about the kind of Western with the kind of war crimes tribunal we declared this was a war crime that was bought and these were the goodies and all of us I think you see in most of which we're living through is not quite so straightforward we know that ice is a bad but how you deal with these things and how you kind of conference that will throw a moral dilemma as the won't always be straightforwardly good guys and so we should by that in mind I think Clare Karl thank you very much for the moment if you've just joined us you tune to weekend from the b.b.c. World Service Well here's another story when perhaps the good and bad sides aren't so clearly defined the u.s. Government is about to detail its plans for opening up the Arctic Ocean for oil drilling reversing President Obama's ban which should aim to protect the environment to help fight climate change now in response to the move a coalition of native rights and conservation organizations have launched a legal action against President Trump our environment correspondent Claire Marshall went to the town of Chep pick in the American High Arctic where a celebration was underway your welcome everybody I am now only a sock and I'm from Baron you were. Around the beach or at. The beginning of the ceremony called the barricade where they threw in order to bring in their folks from the ice symbolizing that they're down and wailing for the season. This is pushing something done for his own. Yes it is and it's been handed down from generation to generation and for as long as we can remember. When you look back it seems the sooner you guests at this table. The training it makes to the good president trouble is now to fight in the back there should be some. Nightmares of people drilling in my ocean I mean I say my I'm talking about my people and I remember seeing my dream I was one of the whales I was one of the walruses and seals I was part of them and I felt that explosion it's scary to think that all of it would go away because I mean that's our food that's what my people have been eating for so long and without it I see a. Very dark place. I don't want that to happen in my land I don't want. To get contaminated with oil let's take a living hell of. Like the rest of us got this town is almost entirely dependent on taxes on the industry pay for the growth of the school. And gets a. Very different peace here. So. This along to see. The. Traditional. It's illegal to sell whale meat preparing it to feed to the community. For thousands of years but now the subsistence lifestyle. The goal will. And it's not you. Missed the caption for the link you referred to in essence it's all money in his pocket and he would welcome breaks I work full time job and at the same time every opportunity I get I hunt. For the meat that we. Will and the seals I will make for oil and then 1st game boat the fish so. It's a year on process of the hunting and then also the same time working so I can afford to go on to. There is an opportunity to coexist together an opportunity for not only your history to thrive but then also the local to reform to the. Down the road there's a beautiful new Heritage Center and name integrity to practice in some of the traditional inmates to loot and dance. It's difficult and expensive to drill here in the Arctic and the price of. That Donald Trump is determined to make the only industry freight again and his decision from a rocky waving to the sands of the future. And that's the B.B.C.'s environment correspondent Claire Marshall a reporting from Alaska. Clare Fox you agree with Donald Trump on this one some people who hype that surprising Yeah well I mean you know I'm largely for progress I think that drilling and with the guys who you know. Realistically say you want to support the peoples of Alaska you know we need jobs and as it happens I'm rather cynical about whether the drilling for oil at the moment is going to produce the jobs or the oil because across that there's a collapse of the oil prices that's a closely pragmatic different point but I thought the kind of Obama's kind of ban on the drilling in until it was a thing today you know is a kind of hold back progress in order to indicate that I'm an environmentally friendly guy and you know so in that instance I support Trump I thought it was kind of interesting in the package that this kind of idea that you one of the the the people who is opposed to the drilling side you know my seas my people see and I think that speaks much more to the kind of contemporary identity politics which people adopt the kind of we all the in which we are the natives but I mean actually she was actually arguing a political position as again somebody else is. Also interesting that a lot of the paper opposing the the drilling for oil as in Greenpeace are also opposed to whaling So I think that you can see it right not quite straight forward lots of contradictions in that call I know as an architect. Energy is something you have to look at me when you look at urban planning etc You'll thoughts on you know this this problem with oil fossil fuels people wanting to move away from it I think we need to look at the broader context that because we had 2 stories today that look at the sort of transition of or what's happening basically the hydrocarbon economy would have been as well and we've had the last story and I think they get treated completely separately in some instances so some people that would have very strong feelings about ventilation should be able to sell and they say as well which is which is which is all fine but we need to consider together and the reason why I say that I strongly believe by 2050 we will have you know well into our way into transition into. Renewable energy and other sources of energy not you know just because they're cleaner and all of that because I think they're much more enablers to produce more energy to develop the world more as you know in a in a very grandiose way like what you can see what's happening in China today and the massive investment in renewables we need that but we have about 3 decades of transition in which like it or not we're going to need fossil fuels and I find sometimes that there's sort of an irrational response to this where people say no no let's not explore over here for example or let's stop fracking or because it's harms the effort against finding climate change without considering that we need to manage this whole process is holding our nation's collective Can I just jump in for a 2nd when you say 3 decades of transition I guess people will say well hang on a 2nd if you invest in you know in fossil fuels couldn't you just take that investment and put it more into renewables and shouldn't that speed up the trans. Because there's a critical point to achieve the kind of the critical mass if you want and in fact in many western nations the investment is far exceeding when it comes to renewables than it is to fossil fuels for example but I say we need to because it feels an immediate necessity now and the fact that it's quite cheap means that it's wide expedient and now people will talk about the cost of that and externalities but all of these things could be dealt with the point is today we're not at a point to sustain any kind of large industrial output with renewable energy and we need to be realistic about the next you know coming 30 years and how we manage that and I think just being completely emotive about dealing with symbolic issues is not the right way to do it Ok Well Carl and Claire here's what we're talking about energy let's talk about this the typical Smart Phone user touches they have device 2617 times a day that's an average and while they're still debate over whether Phone addiction is actually a medical condition say like drugs or alcohol it's certainly clear that devices do dominate our lives as never before so for the solutions project this is a new b.b.c. Radio show Callum McDonald has been asking how on earth can we beat our collective phone habit. Living down I can hear when. I am done. Nowadays many of us talk about being addicted to our forms and the reason some specialists are trying to treat or proving this is an addiction in a medical center like drugs or alcohol seems a we offer for users but it's clear that more and more of us are realizing how problematic a part phones can play in our lives a comprehensive study on how influential smartphones are in 2060 they found that 10 percent of us reach for our forms soon as we week. We typically touch our phones almost a 1000000 times over the course of a year so what's going on here well let's ask Max Stossel who used to design mobile apps for a living it's sort of important to understand the concept of variable rewards which is what's used on slot machines so slot machines make more money than movies baseball theme parks combined in the u.s. And so how can they do that when you play with pennies right the reality is that this concept of pushing a button or pulling a lever and then sometimes getting a reward and sometimes not getting our award is an incredibly addictive model and if you think about it that's exactly what's happening just about everything we do with our phone when I'm clicking the little app that has the red icon on it playing the slot machine to say what am I going to get is this going to be something good is this a crush or romantic interest is this a job opportunity I don't know if you can relate to literally swiping down to refresh your e-mail and there's nothing there but if you think about that that's the exact same motion as the slot machine you're pulling to see what am I going to get you know and none of these people these companies are evil that just in this game where Wouldn't they need to capture and hold as much attention as possible to me Oh my so. When. We ship status with smartphones it's definitely been updated to complicated the b.b.c. Solutions project set about trying to find ways we can curb our smartphone enthusiasm and work towards a healthy form life balance Here's a hint of what might help from Dr Elizabeth dawn a psychology professor at the University of British Columbia people are better at sort of making a plan ahead of time so you can think for example of alarm clocks right so it's really easy to hit snooze and kind of over sleep and so what people do is put their alarm clocks on the other side of the room right they plan ahead for their own failure to self regulate and I think that's what we need with technology as well so if you're listening to this and you're thinking he had this is a bit of a problem in my own life take time. In minutes today and reset your notifications so that you're not getting interrupted as much and then you won't be faced with this pitfall of getting sucked into this one little text message or this one little notification when it pops up Callum McDonald reporting that I was sharing with you guys showing you my absolutely ancient Nokia I don't even know what model it is just absolute rubbish I can barely text on it I'll tell you the story of this phone in a moment but Carl and Claire addicted to smartphones would you would you describe yourselves that way not at all I mean I'm on my mobile phone all day long a smartphone or whatever you want to call this thing but I am in control of it or I'd like reeling that I mean really all of it and I don't think it's like you know your guest on the program was saying it's not in such a passive manner because ultimately it depends what you do with and for me it's fantastic I find because I could be on Twitter and I see a link to an interesting article and that takes me half an hour to let me s. Ok but do you ever get people at home going can you please put that thing down Ok so this is where I think there is a contentious thing is how do we regulate its use when you various other people and outside I fully agree but that's a matter of negotiation and kind of and I think we're getting better at clarity 1st of all I think that addiction is a complete misuse of the word because it's just an excuse you know I'm ashamed when people say I know addicted to shopping and that. Degrades the word addiction and also becomes a kind of you know it's not my fault of but actually of course we've grown adults right with will and conscience and we can obviously say I'm going to put my phone down right I'm addicted to it it's easier to do what he said but that's like anything you know that's like gluttony or you know or anything that want to indulge you know getting drunk or anything that one is like oh well you know easier said than done well have a bit discipline that's the. Thing 2nd thing is I think there's a. Of a moral panic on this and that is front page of the newspapers today the children's commissioner in the u.k. That the children this is a danger to their health is going to be treated like 5 a day anything oh please stop it this is one of the most fantastic new technologies we know can do wonderful things with it if we behave antisocially by looking off and rather than talking someone then that's because we're anti social it's not the fact. We need to grow right Ok we've got about a minute so I just want to share this story Ok just as a just as an example so I would say that I was one of those people who you know was doing enormously great things on my smartphone including taking it into the toilet because you can you know it's small enough so of course what happened one day it fell in and I have to say I think it was the best day of my life because I look I agree with you you can do great things on these things the problem is the number of great things that you can do anywhere and all the time and the fact that it depends on some self-control means that you're ultimately going to fail and I just I almost feel like now that I have this utterly rubbish little phone you know the speed at which it works in the speed at which I need to work to process things are roughly more equal than the smart phone and I think you know in that way a kind of forced digital detox I mean there her saying put it across the room I'd say drop it in your toilet I thought about thing I think there you know if it's a must but I think that many many people I think the real problem is they feel a sense of competition Mart phones and they feel that they're the sort of the coming artificial intelligence and they're you're trying to become the master again and you're not going to win that what I can tell you that stay tuned we've got more weekend coming up in a moment. 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