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And a shop in the English city of York has decided to take pity on its staff and band kitschy Christmas pop music and Carol's played on a loop the director of York Gin said her employees Christmas would have been ruined by having to enjoy the music for hours each day and she believed to me would be welcomed by shoppers and that's the latest world news from the b.b.c. . I'm David Healy and you're listening to the program it explores the world we live in through the work and the Boise's of artists Welcome to the cultural front line. The 9th of November 19th 891 of the most famous dates in modern history the day the bell in wool fell I've heard they are. Where they. Find that. To my left hundreds if. Not the would be held back by what I did but if they leave you know we want to go to my right under the doing our waving to be the 1st the proud the collapse of the wall came to symbolize the collapse of Soviet era communism as a wave of political revolution swept across Eastern Europe it's also mark the start of an artistic revolution as night clubs bars galleries and studios began taking a bit empty buildings and factories any spare lane. For many young West Germans that burgeoning club and cultural scene was their very 1st encounter with Germans from the other side of the wall the curator Heiko Hoffman was one of those travelling across Beilin to an undiscovered cultural country I spoke to the culture front line about any photo exhibition no photos on the dance floor which charts balanced changing club culture from the fall of the wall to present day minus Kaufman and I'm the curator of the exhibition no photos on the dance floor if you would imagine today that someone would tell you that South Korea and North Korea would reunite and that thousands of young people would dance together to music that was basically an unheard off today in spaces that are new to them he would think that's. Pretty unlikely pretty utopian but that's actually what happened back then and that's what happened to my generation in the spring off 1990 I went to one of the 1st techno parties and Bill and called techno it seat around this time really to start so the fall of the wall in the in really was a huge boost and catalyst to the whole scene. So the 1st techno party I went to it was so different from any other experience of going to a club a disco take back then it was really a shock of the new because you were exposed to very brutal hot music techno back then didn't really exist as a whole d.j. Set so the teacher had to make very different styles from industrial music to acid to new beat and some techno records together to create this makes. And the room was very black and white no colors just Fox and drove and you were in this mass of people you couldn't really tell who they are but they were coming together from west and Dylan and both celebrating and in a space in these empty industrial buildings in the center of Berlin like behind the Iron Curtain that's the saying that unification happened 1st on the dance floor and I can tell that at least for me in my generation if this is definitely true it took a year for Germany to reunite so strictly speaking when I went to these parties in the east I was going to a different country and I had to cross a border control and I ventured into neighborhoods that I've never seen in my life and that I would only see by daylight many years later said was a big adventure but also an understanding on a kind of glimpse in the future that I'm I'm part of something that's very much now but that's going to shape things to come just spending the night there together with. That you didn't know but you knew that they were feeling the same thing that you were that stream exciting and not something that I've really experienced since . So after been part of this electronic dance music scene club scene and Berlin for almost 30 years now I realized at some point that the history of the scene has been told in books and in articles and interviews but that there wasn't really a visual history of this and that there's a certain look also a certain aesthetic and then linked to the cap scene of the last 30 years that hasn't been told and that I wanted to tell and farm off an exhibition and to book and that's when I had the idea for no photos on the dance floor it's not. Only into the ninety's it goes right into the present and it's really telling the story of. The artist's eyes. The title of the exhibition no photos on the dance floor. Referring to. Photo policy that harks back to the early ninety's and maybe even before that to New York clubs like Paris garage or the warehouse in Chicago where house music really started and it's important to have the clap as a safe space on the one hand that really what's happening in a club states in the club but also to be sure that you can lose yourself in the moment and in the music and not think about how you look like when I 1st thought of putting the exhibition together the 1st body of work that came into my mind a spy a photographer. He did a book called temporary spaces and for this book he took pictures of almost 2 doesn't collapse from the 1990 s. That sometimes only existed for a couple of months he took photos and a lot. Farm it and camera and he took the photos from the inside of the cup without any people in there before the clop actually opened on that night on the weekend and then he took another photo off the outside and their large format photos that one of the 1st things that you see when you're entering the exhibitions and it really gives you a feel what these spaces looked like in the 1900 and not on them exist any longer today one of them the trees or Klopp it still exists but in a different location and where the original location was on Leipzig or plots next to parts of the plots and Bill and the snow balance biggest shopping mall. An artist who's very important for me and for the exhibition of months he's been taking photos in Berlin claps right from the start taking photos were never really allowed in Berlin caps what the photos in the exhibition show of photos by people who had an exception because they were friends of the people running the collapse so it's not a view from the outside but it's really from someone who's part of this temporary community off dancers on the dance floor Berlin night life still exists today and that's probably more cops today than there ever were in the 1990 s. So the nightlife is still very very healthy it's not something of the past but something very current but also the last name of the title we haven't stopped dancing yet it's important to me because we might be looking back at the scene in a couple of years time and realize that we've lost some freedom that the scene isn't like it has been for the past 30 years that a couple of contemporary photographers who are part of the exhibition and one of them is coming to break and come year has taken a lot of photos of the current scene in the linen especially. A lot of. Sex positive parties and run by people who are not originally from Berlin but came . By the nightlife scene from different parts of the world and I would say that both of these communities. And people coming from other countries. That have to main driving factor in recent years because it really has brought a fresh perspective a different view on maybe a kind of party that you don't half in other parts of the world. Showing photos of parties like. Trade. Wouldn't exist and that wouldn't have happened. The photo exhibition. Is now at the c.e.o. Gallery. How I. Still to. Speak to the right to catch ahead about how she writes to reflect today's Germany. That restrict freedom. The question at the heart of the next guest the Lebanese painter toggery. Doug Gross greed grew up in Beirut during the Lebanese civil war like ballet in the capital of Lebanon was divided in east and west between its Christian and Muslim communities it was a division that shaped the country and the lives of its citizens 3 high latest series vision machines so great explorers themes such as the lack of freedom trust and unity and arts places objects such as nuclear weapons c.c.t.v. Cameras and drives at the center of a canvas the series is currently part of an exhibition walking through walls which commemorates the 30th anniversary of the fall of the Berlin wall at the Great Peace bow Museum in Berlin I spoke to talk read about how work on the physical and metaphorical walls that divide us the work is titled vision machines shall you see me but you know it is about the whole concept of surveillance and and it's machines like the drones this is it it is the cameras the blimps etc mice is it is is just part of this thing that are participating in the exhibit is part of this theme that speaks about the fact of how surveillance is becoming normal that in our modern societies can you tell me what it looks like then saw during is 18 paintings of cities that are installed in a way that they would give you the impression that you are being surveyed by actual c.c.t.v. Cameras each is taken from a different perspective and and the color scheme is also variable in what context was this series curated as part of walking through walls the exhibit Sion actually is a for the anniversary of the fall of Berlin Wall the 2 creators some by the wheel and till full heart thought that my my work that spoke about the surveillance machine would actually fit very well the theme of. The fall of burning wood the whole theme was about the fact that through art we can actually bust through the holes that meet the 40 goals and the actual walls that people build between them and why do you think it lends itself say Well to that idea Well I think knowing what happened during the Berlin war and the fact that the burning was got into 2 parts the whole Germany the fact that people who are being set apart physically and mentally I think my work go to flecked So the same idea but of course from a contemporary point of view the venue is next to a section of the Berlin Wall. I did it right if they decided to keep the windows open say some of the cameras in the painting seem to be pointing towards the wall and I thought it was and wonderful idea you were born in 1989 in the middle of the Lebanese Civil War How has this affected your work as an artist affects my work every day I think I'm constantly living and working in a country that is turbulent the nonstop affects my my work my daily life I think the words things how does the theme of division relate specifically to an experience I think being born in Lebanon and being part of a huge and that's extremely exhausted with the wars it makes me always think about unfairness between how we are being perceived and how we are really are why we are actually the title is Shall you see me better now is just an invitation for those who are sort of ailing us to actually look deep into the other part to really try to see him as is not a potential threat or a suspect as we are always dealt with and you mentioned surveillance militarization of urban cities confinement seems very much related to what the Berlin Wall was linked with why do you think the seams of division is still important because I. Thing from my experience being a Lebanese that lives in bed with the fact that these walls exist makes me want to keep working on that idea I think that at least my art should be oriented towards revealing what people try to ignore or normalize or deal as if it's a fact like being watched all the time and surveil this is an invasion for your privacy it is an vision for your life and we should be confronted with this fact and confront that as well how do you want people to experience your work how do you want them to feel I always want to keep on as that they clang which while while painting I try to magnify the object that I'm working on make it as and I can so sometimes I might paint is it a view that is 2 metres by 2 metre and a half which makes it extremely huge that you cannot ignore the fact that it will cause an impact on you I tried to use the visual language to confront to keep confronting I think our should be a confrontation always a confrontation the Lebanese artist Tigray Doug Rouse we would love to know what you think about the artists creating walk that reflects the society that you live in you can join in the conversation by using the hash tag b.b.c. Cultural front line on social media or by e-mailing us at a cultural frontline at b.b.c. Dot u.k. We can't wait to hear from. Your sub everybody this is what I am and you're listening to the cultural front. Hey this is right here is on The Daily Show you're listening to the cold war front line on the b.b.c. Was. That. Back to Bennett This week marks the 30th anniversary of the fall of the Berlin Wall and the beginnings of the reunification of Germany a report that would include Croft has been taking a cultural tour of the public art old show in the City to mark the anniversary He's been speaking to writers and artists about the cultural legacy of reed cation and how German data and literature today reflect a changing nation. That. May. Be our. Man in this town You're Horace Mann I'm from Tatar the money and we're here to perform our show cracks on the River Plate at the East Side Gallery in Berlin and the river should clear there is an installation there put some lambs in the river and it's a symbol father of the people who had been killed when the tried to to get over the wall our show is dealing with while it's not exactly the Berlin Wall but it was all over the work and not only physical walls but also metaphorical walls and wilds in our heads and our minds and out in mind that. We are going to see far travel us who are try to get through different kinds of was far less that we have 5 mob mobile panels the actors will move these panels and construct like this different kind of kinds of walls to see a palace disco or with people dancing behind and a poor woman who wants to get in but we don't let terrorists through how. We live it down there really. Was a. Demo coming and we called the project Marsh thing I saw the title comes from Berlin because the marsh thing I think is a typical Vernon thing and the Berlin Wall is that in the. The symbol of our walls also because it has broken down I mean it has been opened but since then more. Walls than ever had have been built in the word and we have the anniversary of the fall of the world but in the same time the situation is worse we can see the division of the society that's why we chose to do street theater because maybe we could. Create some interest in people who don't think like we do and because it's easy to do it in a theater theater spectator is often agree with us the. Oh Ok Ok the oh yeah. I don't pretend that to oh my theatre work changes the word but maybe in the street even just one person will stop and see what we do and get an idea of it which change his or her mind. Just because of the an action a scene a phase. A glance. I hope that this is possible Yeah but. It's yeah it was out. There we are we are the teachers and we are here with our class just to remember them off 30 years of peace for revolution now they are old Berliners and they have to know about the history of that I moved from western Germany to eastern Germany right when I was 6 and suddenly I was confronted why I am from West Germany I didn't even know what with there was so I kind of dealt with that history when I was really young because I was confronted with it and that happened to many many people. But it still is. Topic if you are from East or West Germany which is it's a topic that I can't answer actually so I helped a gang of generation as making things different sister amazing representation of freedom I guess. It is something that I was aware about that I learned in school but the timing and their actual events you can know the facts and you can see it's different when you hear when you actually see. The physical space where people were separated and it's just I don't mean in visual representation is there premier. Oh gosh. This one because Lincoln Yes. My name is. And I live here in Berlin and I work as a writer I write novels I'm very much interested and social. Development. Mechanisms and dynamics so remember when I and at school dressed some. Conflicts in the West German society over the last quite interested and out of cause and many teachers said well if you're not happy here then and go over the border go to the east the East was always the place for. Outsourcing on your own problems as a Western and that was something that that we. Maybe I wanted to lift into the consciousness I think just generally has a very big. Impact on my writing you up of course you're welcome to write about politics but then you also have to prove that it's richer. With my last book. Several critics wrote even though it has a political subject it's good literature you have to. Be more to stick to be allowed to write about political things nobody would you would say that if you if I would have written about my mother. Would. Follow that what employee craft reporting from Germany on the anniversary of the belly of the. Well there is that. Here yes. I now see it for this week's program Remember you can catch up on any episodes you may have missed by going online to b.b.c. To go to you Kate slash while Service Radio and searching for us and if you get you can get in touch using the hash tag b.b.c. Cultural Frontline will be here same time next week with more stories about his changing the wild on the way we see it until then get behind. The. Distribution of b.b.c. World Service in the u.s. 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At the start why it actually becomes 330 to go this way it's a gallery with this way it's 332 I'm sitting with Richard McKinney in his car by the side of Indiana State fraud 332 which are disturbing across the road at a mosque that he was once planning to blow up but I was not take this was there in him overnight and put it underneath some steps and I was cross out here and dial in the phone and watch it go. It would have been a biggest Posen. But you just wanted to sit here and see the place blow up oh yeah yeah. That was it that was all I wanted. Did you have any idea about how many people might have died or did you have hope about how many people you might have killed was hoping to around a little over 200. I'm calling Flynn and for heart and soul on the b.b.c. World Service I've come to the small town of Muncie in Indiana to meet him on whose name was almost infamous all over the world from us murder we'll hear from Richard on his family about the hatred he had and how he overcame this I felt that it was the only thing keeping me alive was the hatred I had it was kind of disturbing to me because we lived in the same house this was in his head and I was clueless how could he ever even think about doing this to humanity but when I started reading the Koran I was touched by it do these people really deserve to die I was hoping that I would write. So that again Richard remain your dog he's the biggest park in the world he's going to he's not jumping Borchers or. An oboe always dealt with. You know you know well be nice right Richard lives here in Muncie which is around an hour north of Indianapolis in Indiana in the United States but he's not from here you know I guess. Yeah I know Cincinnati Cincinnati Ohio and I was an inner city kid going to grade school in the seventy's I was actually part of the final stages of desegregation was one of like you know my school bus I was a mom all my dad would have wore some of my mom and we lived with our grandparents or with my grandparents her mom and dad it was a different time. My grandparents special My grandfather was extremely racist I remember being 7 years old I actually got yelled at because I was playing with a black boy in the neighborhood we lived in a black neighborhood there was nobody else there I was the minority so you grew up listening to rational slurs all the time it was just pretty normal for you and you didn't think twice about us well actually as I got older there were racial slurs were coming towards me I on that bus I got in fights daily if they were making fun of you and you know bullying you would this did it make you resent them then not on the basis they were black just on the basis they were being a punk and call me names. That was not to do with race you know and even growing up I never had an issue of race as long as you were American it was when I met people that were Americans that you know cause me to kind of raise an eyebrow and what about religion growing up was your family a strong Christian family my dad pretty much. As close as he came to religion was the old Protestant work ethic you work hard everything to be our right if everything is not all right you're not work hard enough. My mom on the other hand she was very much a Christian. You know read the Bible went to churches Mormon Church is went back to churches and. Richard wasn't doing well in school he graduated from high school and decided to enlist in the Marines I was a teenager on the way and I'd been involved in drugs both selling and consuming having a problem with authority was probably my biggest issue so I go off and join the hardest branch in the u.s. Military does make a lot of sense but you know what I found a home. The more time I said I spent in the Marine Corps the harder I got as far as being able to be with I had already lost the marriage is all about the Marine Corps only the Marine Corps Marine Corps 1st nothing else matters nobody cares you thought it was glamorous and you going off to combat or the tougher the better the more fighting the better oh yeah yeah I thought it was all I thought was extremely glamorous man you know but the whole thing was is that I I actually wanted to die why because you would die a hero for your country yeah absolutely you know even when all the people I know right now are dead and gone people will still come into a cemetery and they'll still see the headstone you know still say that I was a Marine I died in combat Bam mad respect they only know me while in the Marines and later the u.s. Army they were given what's known as are always rules of engagement for come by us and these are basically a list of rules of what you can and can't do as far as you know being in combat you know you can't just go up to people shoot him in the face you can't do that Ok you have to be you know in extreme danger you have to be this that or the other they have to shoot 1st I mean it's just you know but sometimes it was almost like the Wild West and the feeling you got it was god like it was God like I remember actually looking somebody in the face i sed i looked at him and said in Arabic us and. I am God. And did you have to kill many people that that affect you and well I. Don't really talk but. There was there was several times I had to pull a trigger. And because of my actions several people never. Never went home again I do think because of that sometimes you wouldn't follow the rules of engagement if that's what they're cold or maybe some would lose a life when they didn't have 2 lines got bored yeah I got bored the real problem comes down to the fact is that I really started to like. This just in you're looking at obviously a very disturbing live shot there that is the World Trade Center and we have unconfirmed reports this morning that a plane has crashed into one of the towers of the World Trade Center c.n.n. Center right now is Richard hated Muslims and his hatred was growing stronger by the day I would wake up thinking about couldn't help it because I probably didn't feel very good because I I mean if I wasn't still drunk I was really in you know some kind of a bad state I wouldn't call it a hangover because I really never had a nurse. But and then when I went to bed at night and I went to bed at night usually after getting drunk and crying on the couch watching t.v. You know what would happen when you're walking around let's say the town here and you would see a Muslim our Muslim woman wearing the he job when I go shopping at Wal-Mart and I would make it a point to pass by him and just bored out of Senate he's this was your calm but he didn't have combat anymore but in your head you were still in combat you were in combat with Muslims I kind of got up to about it in a way I you know I said Ok fine they took my war away from me I'll create my own war common enemy Muslims. I was a nationalist I believe in my country the flag was my cross you know I watched the thing I had started acquiring materials for can say it was an explosive device and would you do this at home or shed somewhere no I had a 3rd location and it was it was like in plain sight but it was a location nobody would even think twice about it did you have an end date. The whole plan from start to finish took about 2 years and at that point everything was done I was just just waiting just waiting I was in no hurry and I neve in done because the Army Center here Muncie said 2 locations and the other location was at a house just off campus off the ball State campus but it was in a neighborhood Americans are around so you know my way thing I said knocking at the nothern here is too much collateral damage when the Islamic center moved to to a new location on the side of Indiana State Road 332 that's when Richard decided to put his plan into action his intention was to place the bomb under the steps of the back of the mosque joining the nice and the following day joining prayer service he would park at the bank across from the road and detonate the device killing hundreds of people maybe 100 people maybe 200 I just wanted to get as many as I get and at the time whoever was in a building I had planned on nobody surviving I figured I would be a national hero for what I did even knowing that you know with what I had planned would in my own you know would. Intermediary muscle. The. You're listening to heart and soul on the b.b.c. World Service I'm calling Flynn and I'm in the small town of Muncie in Indiana in the United States where Richard make any once planned to blow up the town's local mosque with the aim of killing hundreds of people was I love the sound of the trains I don't like the fact that they stop on the tracks and stay stopped 410-2030 minutes and they're all around town yes in the town of Muncie there is the constant sound of passing freight trains the town is unique in that it is completely surrounded by busy road way trucks and I'm sitting on a bench outside a cafe with Donna Richards wife how did you and Richard meet. We met through a mutual friend that he was on active duty with that I had known since I was 18. What were your 1st impressions of Richard when you met him so when I 1st met him he was he was a lot of fun we had several things in common we had commonalities with regard to how we felt about our country and that we were proud to be from the United States and of course I was very proud of of the fact that he had served his country so well you said you shared many of his values that you know his views on Islam and I did not. And I chuckle because when he and I 1st met we lived in our part and. He would come to Richmond and visit and in Richmond there is at that time I don't know that there were any Muslims that lived in the town. When I moved to Muncie it became very apparent with some comments that he would make about. Muslim people who lived in our apartment complex the way he would react when we would see someone in Wal-Mart who was wearing his. And it was it was very stressful at that point for me. I kept trying to convince him that there are good and bad in all races religions everything. It was it was to the point where if we were in Wal-Mart I would see someone in his job and I would intentionally. Try to reroute our path. When you found out that the plan that he had of what he was hoping to do here with the Islamic center was not a huge shock for you it was it was a very huge shock. And the way that I found out was. It was it was kind of unnerving. When you have the f.b.i. Come to your house and they bring a drug or a bomb dog into your home to search your home and you had no idea before the you know this was in his head and I was clueless. What was it like after that when you were talking to me about as and trying to get your head around us and figure out what he had planned and the enormity of this of the enormity of what it could have been if he'd gone through with the plans Well initially I was I was very angry because he continued to talk about it even after the f.b.i. Had been to our house. What's amazing about Richard story is that the plan he was so set on and that he had worked on for 2 years was brought to a halt but not by the officials or a swat team but by his 7 year old daughter Emily I'm recording you know if you want to just tell us like we're going to why you brought us here. And. Across in your county. That's the voice of Richard's now 15 year old daughter Emily she's driving a car with her mother in front of the car I'm in with Richard and over speakerphone is giving me a tour of her favorite spots to hang out she's just learned to drive while buying a car traveling your car while you know on this car with those you and your mom. And I want to show you my meaning turning. But oh I've never seen a 15 year old drive so well you're doing great thanks thank you very much. And then I was going. Oh. Yes there is going to score this time we pull over by the river in Morris Meadows Park and it was one day when Emily was 7 and I'd just come home from school that she started telling her dad about a Muslim woman she had seen I was talking to him about how this woman had picked up her son and she was wearing a full burka and I could only see her eyes and I didn't understand why she was wearing that because I had never seen anyone wear that and so he just kind of went off about that because he didn't like them at all and what did you think when you were sitting there or listening sure does and he was saying this and that about her because just because she was Muslim I I didn't really understand it so it was just kind. It's confusing to me because that's my dad and. He they you'd always listen to what your parents tell you and you usually believe what your parents tell you but I just kind of gave him a look of like you're crazy what do you going on about why are you where you just yelling about this when it was just an outfit choice. It just Brage me so much but then I was to my daughter and I remember back to that very moment my grandfather was being all upset because I was playing with somebody of a different culture she was looking at me the same way as my grandfather you know like you are the dumbest person I've ever met in my own time of life you know I mean just really like how can you even how do you act like that you know nobody knew the point and I had everybody that knew me knew I didn't like Muslims they did not know the extent that I was willing to go to but it made me think I'm passing off prejudice this is how prejudiced starts and children so that was like a light bulb moment for you absolutely right Paul came on I said you know what I'm going to give them another chance like I was somebody you know I mean like I like I have that power but I did feel like I had the power again it went back to you being God it's actually and I said Ok I'm going to get to know them I'm going to go undercover I will get to know. So I did I walked in. Do these people really deserve to die I was hoping that I was right I was afraid to be wrong because that would ruin everything. I'm in the Muncie Islamic center it's Friday at 2 pm and they are in the middle of their prayer service. Muslims mostly older a handful in their twenty's and thirty's are sitting on the floor with their legs crossed at the top of the room there is a man giving a sermon about the different ways a faithful Muslim can please Allah and get into Paradise Richard is sitting at the back of the room listening carefully So is it always good for me. To hurt for sure. So this is where you got your 1st crown from you know there was a culture of are here and I was sitting on the couch with another. No Muslim these want to give me a Koran and I was sitting on the couch and again these people know me from that anybody Bibi's husband he went down at my feet and grabbed my leg and sort of crime and just hug my leg even let me from nobody Imus a gun officer and tell me about the well as long that's when I decided to really put my side for a minute and try to learn something because you know I just it's making me sense of something more to this than when I know that I read a book. Called for peace and I wrote when Richard would return time and time again to the center one of the people he would meet was Mohammed Sobber Bahraini who was originally from Afghanistan I told him of rape I think why don't you take more top . If you don't are to say the Shahada in or the proclamation of becoming Muslim you don't have what I want to read more let's think about it more let's More be clear Lismore be convinced but I think after the 2nd for real he says his ready and re accepted I'm standing on the other side of the lobby is Muhammad's wife b.-b. B.-b. How are you she is the president of the Islamic Center Richard story we surprised Bibi when you heard his story and heard the plans that he had. I was shocked as I have lived in Muncie since it is sex and very peacefully very beautiful community when I invited Richard McKinney to my house and we had dinner on our table and I said when that firsthand I asked him what his plan was and no one Stedman he met him yes a how could he ever even think about doing this to humanity and he called his sister Bibi heard about yes I called him Brother Rick. Do you ever worry that there might be other Richards out there we are live in fear right now our situation is not good not a number we loss and they're not coming to the players because of the fear that something is going to happen unfortunately did you lose some members after Richard story commercial Yeah we lost some members yes. Make me more strong believer. Of the Lord. Because God says that he will give guidance saw in the Muslim tradition we are not here to proselytize people. Proselytisation in a true way and his thumb is not permitted Yes you will say the truth you believe what to believe you stand for the truth you stand for the judgment is turned for the justice. When you read the Qur'an and you are still grappling with this in your head one side if you wanted to blow it off the map on the other side who is now wanting to converse was there a line or a passage in the Qur'an that really hit you in the harsh. It was actually 2 verses and one of the verses. To kill one human being is the cure of humanity another person says to save a human being is to save all of mankind. We just had a big. Big community gathering at one of the parks we arrived a month sees a Ball State University one of the largest universities in the state of Indiana where Richard is giving a talk to the students today about his story Ok or for him come on in we have a talk here today and up please come in have a seat this is what he wants to dedicate his life to now telling others that hey can be beaten these people take me in. Within 8 weeks I dropped out hatred became was more so 3 years later I became president of the very building that I was going to blow up. After his talk some of the students tell me what they thought of as some people try to cover up the fact that they were hatred before or what they used to do with that hatred but I'm just glad he was open with that because I can teach other people I just think that's a very strong thing to do I thank you for your courage to you know share that with others I think is really interesting as someone who comes from like an in do Indian Hindu family I've had a lot of conversations with my parents. And they have a lot of like entire Muslim sentiment due to like past conflicts between Hindus and Muslims so I have like these 2 ideals like my Indian side is kind of slightly resentful towards Muslims like to an extent because of what the mogul's did to my people in the past but then also my American side things like there are also people as well so why should there be so much heat so there so it's kind of conflicting So Richard has completely turned his life around he no longer drinks and prays numerous times a day and his wife Dana told me that at the stars his dedication to his new religion put a strain on their relationship and actually as far as the way he changed it was like he wanted to do everything immediately he was very rigid with his prayer times which added stress because he would get very agitated if we were someplace in public because he had to find someplace to go pray and it was very extreme and for me it was very upsetting because I'm my 1st thought is he's going to expect me to be in for his job and cover and and I didn't want him to believe that I was going to be his Muslim wife once once he realized that he didn't have to change everything overnight. It's it seemed like he settled and to his belief. And his faith. It has made him. Less angry. Less hatred. More understanding toward other people. But we still struggle sometimes because as humans we well. I told myself you've got to put this hatred aside man you got it because if this is right then it's going to be real right what do you think your life would be like now if you hadn't converted to Islam to be honest with be dead because it's drinking this program is going out all over the world so huge variety and range of people listening to it right now if anyone is listening who thinks the way you did once about Muslims what would you say to them. I would say. First and foremost I wish I could talk to you but take a breath be a human being yourself killings wrong. But the more it be said about them. It's interesting yesterday when I was listening to the sermon about the ways of getting into heaven and pleasing Allah. The preacher said you know on judgment day I'll have a look at your life and your history and the things you have done and judge you on that and judge very harshly. When you stand before you believe you will and he looks back of your life. What do you think will happen we don't know I guess you know the whole idea is to maybe do. Enough good going forward. That I don't have to worry about that. Ultimately it's up to him and also I'm all Somali it goes with the saying that you know it's his it's his call and he's he's the he's in the home plate umpire as you might call. Here is what he says goes you know. I'm calling Flynn and Muncie Indiana meeting Richard McKinney for heart and soul from the b.b.c. World Service and if you want to hear more programmes just search of her heart and soul on the b.b.c. Website. This is the b.b.c. 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