Transcripts For KWWL Meet The Press 20151025

The clear frontrunner, she won last weeks democratic debate, two of her lesser opponent, jim web and lincoln chafee, dropped out of the race. Joe biden decided he had no path to victory. On top of that, clinton was almost universally seen as having survived and some even thought she might have thrive at that house benghazi hearing. On the republican side, the candidates that are struggling are feeling the pressure. Heres jeb bush unplugged yesterday. I got a lot of really cool things that i can do other than sit around being miserable listening to people demonize me and me feeling compelled to demonize them. That is a joke. Elect trump if you want that. Wow. A lot to dig into there, which we will later in the show. Now, not one but two polls show ben carson leading donald trump and all the rest of the republicans in iowa. Guess what . We are now just 99 days away from that snowy monday in iowa where well find out who wins and carsons undertheradar rise has bewilder it had smarty pants crowd in iowa. I caught up with carson in iowa and asked him to respond to these comments from donald trump. We have a breaking story. Donald trump has fallen to second place behind ben carson. We informed ben, but he was sleeping. [ laughter ] how do you respond to mr. Trump . Everybody has their own personality and if hed like to do that, thats fine. Thats not who i am. And i dont get into the mud pit and im not going to be talking about people. I will tell you in terms of energy, im not sure that theres anybody else running whos spend 18 or 20 hours intently operating on somebody. Do you think that people mistake your softspokenness with lack of energy. I think so. I have plenty of energy. But, you know, i am soft spoken. Relaxed. I wasnt always like that. There was a time when i was, you know, very volatile. But i changed. When was that . As a teenager. I would go after people with rocks and bricks and baseball bats and hammers and, of course, many people know the story when i was 14 and i tried to stab someone. And, you know, fortunately my life has been changed and im a very different person now. Why do you see so easily go to nazi metaphors . You refer to when you were talking about health care you referred to ed tored to gestapo. A lot of times, the minute you talk about the nazis and the hall cause, people stop listening. Interestingly enough, last several weeks ive heard from many people in the jewish community, including rabbis, whove said youre spot on. You are exactly right. And i think its some of the people in your business, quite frankly, who like to try to stir things up and try to make this into a big horrible thing if i Say Something about something that we dont want to become and we never even want to get close to it than im comparing it and saying were there. Thats what they do. And, of course, for people who arent really thinking deeply, you know, that resonates. But the fortunate thing is a lot of people really do think for themselves, as you can see from the poll numbers here. You talked about you said a lot of jewish people reached out to you about saying you were spot on. So you believe if the jewish citizenry were armed during the 40s that they would have been able to stop the nazis . Well, look at the whole context in which ive said that and which ive written about it. I wrote about societies before tyranny was able to take root that the tyrants tried to rid the people of the mechanism to defend themselves. So it was set in that context. And i think its generally agreed that its much more difficult to dominate people who are armed than people who are not armed. Some people will try to that and make it into a an antijewish thing, which is foolishness. On your position on guns. A little bit of a contradiction. In one article in breitbart you indicated that there shouldnt be a line about what types of weapons. That the Second Amendment doesnt if the government can have an automatic weapon than the citizenry should have the right to buy an automatic weapon. And then at the same time you have said in places where there are a lot of crowds, referring to cities, you dont want a crazy person ending up with the wrong type of weapon. So you seem to be open to limiting that. Well, my point being we should never compromise the Second Amendment. Its, therefore, a very, very important reason. And noah webster said that america would never suffer under tyranny because of people with arms. Keep that in mind. Of course we should be thinking about what can we do to keep dangerous weapons out of the hands of mentally unstable people. The two things are not incompatible. So youre not saying there should be a limitation on what type of weapon a sane person should be able to buy. Of course not. When we put these when we put this amendment in place, stateoftheart weapon was, what, a musket . But the principle was that the citizenry should have access to whatever they needed in order to protect themselves from an overly aggressive government. Whats the line . Should somebody be able to have one of these surfacetoair missiles . I dont think you can get a surfacetoair missile legally in this country. And thats okay . Thats my point. Youre okay with having anything that you can hold there is some limitation on what somebody there is. And we have laws that take care of that. Does lifefe begin at conception . I believe it does. Does that mean whos right should be superseded . The mother or the unborn child . Who has greater rights . This the ideal situation the mother should not believe that the baby is her enemy. And should not be looking to terminate the baby. You know, things are set up in such a way that the person in the world whos the greatest interest in protecting the baby is the mother. Weve allowed the purveyors of the vision to make mothers think that that baby is their enemy and that they have a right to kill it. Can you see how perverted that line of thinking is . What if somebody has an unwanted pregnancy . Should they have the right to terminate it . No. Think about this. During slavery and i know thats one of those words youre not supposed to say, but im saying it during slavery a lot of the slave owners thought they had the right to do whatever they wanted to that slave. Anything that they chose to do. And what if the abolitionists had said you know, i dont believe in slavery, i think its wrong but you guys do whatever you want to do . Where would we be . Definitively, do you want to see roe v. Wade wade overturned . Ultimately, i would want to see it overturned. Does that mean all abortions illegal or there an exception you would have . Im a reasonable person and if people can come up with a reasonable explanation of why they would like to kill a baby, ill listen. Life and health of the mother . Again, thats an extraordinarily rare situation. But if in that very rare situation occurred theres room to discuss that. Rape and incest . Rape and insist i would not be in favor of killing a baby because the baby came about in that way. And all you have to do is go and look at the many stories of people who have led very useful lives who were the result of rape or incest. I want to move to health care. You have, i think a lot of people dont realize, you believe we should get rid of medicare and replace it with sort of a from birth to death plan where you would the government would give you 2,000 a year. Explain how you would i may have misinterpreted it. Not correct. Explain how you would replace medicare. First of all, what i have said is that the system that i would put in place would largely negate the need for medicare or for medicaid. So im not talking about getting rid of those programs. And the way that i generally see things, entitlement programs, et cetera, is we create a mechanism that allows people to ascend the ladder of success to the extent that they dont need those programs anymore. Thats what im talking about. Now, people will always try to reinterpret that to say carson wants to get rid of that, he wants to get rid of, that he wants to leave all these people in a terrible situation. Thats propaganda. So how do you how do you implement this . The way you do it is we make Health Savings accots available to people from the day that they are born to the day that they die at which time they can pass it on to their family. We pay for it with the same traditional dollars that we pay for health care with. Recognize that in america we spend twice as much per capita on health care as many other countries and yet we have these horrible access problems. So we have adequate resources, we just dont use them in an efficient way. And then we give people the ability to shift money within their Health Savings account within their family. If youre 500 short, your wife can give it to you out of hers or your daughter or uncle or cousin. It gives you enormous flexibility without a middleman. So you would eliminate Health Insurance companies . Im not finished. That will take careover the largest number of incidents that are likely to occur. It doesnt take care of Catastrophic Health care, but you can buy catastrophph Health Care Policy and it will cost you a lot less because the vast majority of things are coming out of your hsa. So the only thing coming out of your catastrophic insurance is Catastrophic Health care. Its like having a homeowners policy with a big deductible for a homeowners policy where you want every scratch covered. Completeleldifferent animals. But you are advocatatg for the government to spendhis money and just allocate in the a different way . Well, yeah, the money from the medicaid is going to take care of those Health Savings accounts, yes. Final question. You would not im guessing you would not hire somebody to bebe doctor if they didnt have experience in the medical field. What do you say to folks that say why should we hire you as president when you have no experience in government or the political field . I wod sayhat thehe are a lot of people who like to believe that whatever they do is the end all and that nobody could absolutely do things better than they could. Its sort of like the constitution, people say what are you doing talk about the constitution . Youre not a constitutional lawyer. Well, the constitutiononas written at an eighth grade level for a reason. They wanted the people to be able to understand how they were being governed. And our government was set upstatesmen, not career politicians. And, you know, common sense is a lot more valuable than many years in thehe political arena. Witness the fact that in congress we have 8700 years of political experience. Where has that gotten us . And i think people are willing to open their eyes and say lets talk about common sense. Now, that doesnt mean that if someone like me were to getet in that we wouldnt have plenty of people around us who were well seasoned in what was going on in washington and in various parts of the world. So youre goingtosurround yourself with exprienced peop, is what youre saying . I think you have to do that. Soloman, the wisest man who ever lived said in proverbs11 14 in a multitude of counselors is safety safety. You can see my complete interview with ben carson unedited. We talked about syria, the debt ceiling and other issues. Coming up, remember this scene from thursdays benghazi hearings. Even their names . You want that . You want that released . Let me tell you something, right now the only one youve ked for is sidnene blumenthal. The top two members of that house select commit before fibromyalgia, i was on the go. I was organized. I was a doer. Then the chronic, widespread pain drained my energy. My doctor and i agreed moving more helps ease fibromyalgia pain. She also prescribed lyrica. Fibromyalgia is thought to be the result of overactive nerves. Lyrica is believed to calm these nerves. For some patients, lyrica significantly relieves fibromyalgia pain and improves physical function. With less pain, i feel better and can be momo active. Lyrica may cause serious allergic reactctns or suicidal thoughts or actions. Tell your doctor right away if you have these, new or worsening depression or unusual changes in mood or behavior. 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Not surprisisily, democratic primary voters believe theyrr in the mainstream on all six of those issues from gay marriage down to guns and republican primary voters believe theyre in the mainstream in all six issues. Somebody these be wrong here, right . Who do we go to figure this snout independents. And theres good news if yououe the w among independents in our poll, they believe the Democratic Party is in the mainstream on three of the six issues, gay marriage, abortion, and Climate Change. On the issue of guns they believe the republicans are in the mainstream. The only issue they say the republicans are in the mainstream. By the way on the two big fiscal issues here, immigration and economicc issueses overall, independents believe both parties are more out of the mainstream. So what are we to conclude . Number one, independent voters tend to reflect the total electorate better than either party but this is one what its going to mean a year from now. In october, three or four weeks before election day it means rereublicans will use the gun issue as a wedge in these swing state, think colorado, iowa, and virginia. And democrats will use the issues of marriage, abortion and Climate Change as wedge issues in other parts of those same swing state, probably the suburbs. You saw it in 12, yoyoll seeeein the 16. Youuont see either party arguing about the two issues both are out of the mainstream on. Coming up, where do we go from here on the benghazi inve and can you explain why you recommend synthetic over cedar . Super food . Is that a real thing . Its a great school, but is it the right one for her . Is this really any better than the one you got last year . If we consolidate suppliers, whats the savings t tre . So should we go with the 467 hohoepower . Or is a 423 enough . Good question. You ask a lot of good questions. I think we should move you into our new fund. Sure. Ok. 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Joining me no this morning are the chairman of the House Select Committee on benghazi, republican trey gowdy of South Carolina and the ranking g democrat t the committee, Elijah Cummings of maryland. Congressman cummings, well get to you in a moment. Well start with chairman gowdy. Chairman, good morning, sir. Good morning to you and to mr. Cummings. Let me stt with playing a on thursday evening after the hearing. Here it is. Well, when you say new today, we knew some of that already. We knew about the emails. In terms of her testimony, i dont know that she testified that much differently today than she had previous times shes testified so id have to go back and look at the transcript. All ririht, simple question, youve looked at the transcript i imagine the last 72 hours. What have you come up with . Well, i think theres some clarifying information in all three trunchnghazi information. The first is the before when shes asked whether she takes responsibility, she says yes but when you ask responsibility for what, i cant tell you wat shes taking responsibility for and my main fear is how a a we better prepared to avoid the next benghazi if we dont fully understand who made the errors and where the errors were made last time. So with respect to responsibility, with the placing of the mission, with the request for more security i have a perspective which i i rooted in the previous arb that the secretary of state, himself or herself, should do that personal review. Her position is that there are people and processes in place and she relies on security experts. We have to get that reconciled because i think mr. Cummings and i both agree the penultimatete objective i ito avoidhe next benghazi. We did a little calculation you used during the hearing. You said the word benghazi 17 times. Blumenthal 35 times. Emails 76 times. You made a promise that you were keeping the focus on benghazi. Do youeelas i i you did as much or even some republicans were wondering why you were going down the Sidney Blumenthal what some called the rabbit hole. I dont thlnk its a rabbit hole, chu and ill tell you why. I respect that ottr people h hve different perspectives but to me those are not Sidney Blumenthals emails they are secretary clintons emails to or from Sidney Blumenthal and every one of them relates to libya and benghazi so im not reading blumenthal emails about bridesmaids dresses or wedding plans or yoga. These are all about libya and benghazi and t t extent that he was one of the more prolific emailers to her on the subject matter how do you not ask how does this person who has no expertisi in libya or benghazi, how does he have unfettered cess to you but the ambassador there is not a single email to or from him. So i get people want to refer to these as Sidney Blumenthal emails. Theyre Hillary Clinton emails that she received from him and, frankly, i think it would be a dereliction of duty if you didnt ask about them. Nobody is questioning whether to ask about them. I think it was the amount of time spent on it. It seemed like a larger portion of time was spent on that. For instance, i didnt hear as many questions that i expected to hear on the libya policy in general, the vacuum that was left that ultimately created the securii situation we hadadin benghazi that led to the death of four americans. I think peter roskam and mike pompeo both asked, maybe all of their series of questions on the ticktock memo and i remember susan brooks having a stack of emails in 2011 versus 2012 and 2011 there was a heightened interest in libya and benghazi and 2012 it appeared to dissipate, at least according to the emails. So chuck as you know, when grow into hearings eachof the seven memberu has hisr her own lane. Ththts what theyll ask on and i think its relevant on two different levels. Whether or not his emails were solicited or unsolicited you can argue is irrelevant. But sh said they were unsolicited and i do think credibility is always levant. They were truly unsolicited then she wouldnt v changed her testimony on thursday. Let me ask you this. You said this the other night on fox with greta van susteren. Partf what i saw wasnt that constructive and for the american peopop to see a nine hour food fight, i would rather do that privately. It sounds like you may regret how you went about questioning secretary clinton that maybe you should have done some of it off camera and only soso on camera. What doover do you want . Chuck, it was a voluntary interview. I didnt send a subpoena to secretary clinton, it was a voluntary interview and she wanted it to be in public. I wrote a letter several months ago giving her an option and she chose public and thats well within her rights. I can just tell you of the 50 some odd interviews we have done thus far, the vast majority have been private and you dont see the bickering among the meers of congress in private interviews. You dont see any of that. The tvtv camera ads to the grandstanding on both sides of the aisle . What do you think, chuck . Youve been following congress for a long time. I can just tell you in the private interviews there is never any of what you saw thursday. It is one hur on the republican side, one ur on the democrat side which is why youre going interviews done privately because it is look at the other investigations that are being done right now. The lois learner investigation that was just announced, was that public o private . How about comeys investigationon is thatat public or private . The private ones produce better results. Very quickly, secretary clinton, was she a cooperative witness . She answered the questions. I dont think i ever caught her off. She was given ample opporornity, so she answered the questions, yeah, if thats your definition of cooperative, yes. Is that yours . Ive always also injected an element of wholeness and completeness and truthfulness in the definitii ofooperative and i ill give y y one example. I gave her an opportunity to tell me where the 90 to 95 figure comes from. Shes wrong about that. Did she cooperate in answering the question . Yes. Was it an Accurate Answer . No. C cgressman gowdy, ill leave it there. Let me bring in the ranking democrat on the benghazi committee, Elijah Cummings. Congressman cummings, welcome back to meet the press. Good to be with you. Let me start with you, the one issue democrats and how they handled themselves. We tallied up 68 questions to secretary clinton. 16 at best could we call challenging. Why did you guys choose a strategy of shield rather than a strategy of what tammy d dckworth did, probably the one democrat that did it the most, off conducting a hearing, asking questions about the security situation. From the very beginning, chuck, i said we were looking for the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth in many instance wes found ourselves having to not defend secretary clinton but make sure the report wasb glad the public had an opportunity to see all of that. When you look at what we were asking about, they were the things t tt went to benghazi, the things thaha we were supposed to be dealing with very from the very beginning. And when the families came in, many of them with tears in their eyes, they asked us to do three things one, they asked us to make sure that we made sure it didid not happen again, they wanted us to look for the facts, more facts than we already had and they asked for one final thing, they asked us to make sure that we dont turn this into a political football. So all we were trng to do is make sure that we defended d e truth. Well, there was one new fact, i think, that a lot of people came away with and that wase the characterization of the attack itself. Theres always been this controversy that the white house was conflating the video issues that took place versus what happened in benghazi that night. One of themails that wass turned up was an email secretary clinton sent, ill put it up here, to our daughter Chelsea Clinton who, by the way, used the pseudonym Diane Reynolds in her emails andon september 11, that night, secretary clinton classified it as a terrorist attack by an al qaedalike grouou three days later, secretary clinton said this weve seen the heavy assault on our post in benghazi that took the lives of those brave men. Weve seen rage and violence directed at american embassies over an awful internet video that we had nothing do with. Did that trouble you that there were two stories here and does that deserve an extra line of inquiry . No, not at all. As a matter of fact, i thought the secretary explained it very well. Remember what she said during the hearing and she said this the night of the incident, Ansar Al Sharia said that they had committed this offense so when she was writing a note to her daughter, emailing her daughter and making those statements, that was one thing. And by the way they were getting intelligence from a lot of folks and that some of it said it was with regegd to the video. Others said it was an attack. So therefore the information was fluid and the information that she got even from the Intelligence Community was a little bit mixed so she basically she wasasically talking about whh she knew at those moments and i have to tell you, chuck, one of the things that we have to give her credit for is when she was turning over her emails that email to her daughter, you could have easily considered tat personal but because she mentioned the the stacks of emails she turned over to the committee, and that goes to show you she was trying to do the right thing. There was theres been talk that you and the rest of the democrats might resign from the commite. Where are you on that this morning . We haa decided to stay on the committee because somebody has to be in the room to defend the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth and if you think about it, if you listen to the questions being asked by the republicans and the way they tried to attttk her yoyo really did need to have democrats in the room to give the other side of the story not so much to defend her but to try to make sure the complete picture was painted. Oneof the things i have that asked chairman gowdy to do is release all the traracripts with appropriate redactions for sensitivity because i want the public to actually see whats in these transcripts because i believe once they see whats in pretty good idea of what this is all about a it will verify what congressman mccarary said, it will verify what congressman hanna said and the selfdescribed republican conservative employee, what he said. Very quickly, are you running for the u. S. Sate in maryland . Im going to meet with my family and well make that deciion. Whenenmot even inthe race, by the way, and im leading by 13 points, it does give me an idea of how i will do so well figure that out. But i didnt want this to ha anything to do with politi s and i said i would wait until benghazi was over. Hopefully it will be over and im hoping chairman gowdy will give us a date certain to end this. Weve now spent close to 5 million on this. Congressman cummings, let the record show you are paying attention to your polling in a thrace race that youre not yet in. Oh, yeah, you gotta do that. Congressman comimis, thanks for comii on meet the press. When we come back, whos laughing now . The ten days that some may believe just handed the democratic nomination to Hillary Clinton. So whats your news . I got a job ill be programming at ge. Oh i got a job too, at zazzies. friends gasp the app where you put fruit hats on animals . I love that guys, ill be writing code that helps machines communicate. interrupting i just zazzied you. phone vibrates look at it friends giggle i can do dogs, hamsters, guineaig. It. And i can do casaba melons. Ille helping turbines power cities. I put a turbine on a cat. friends ooh and ahh i can make hospitals run more efficiently. This isnt a competition yoget used to the lingering odors in your bathroom you think it smells fine, but your guests smell this. 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They buiui the golden gates and the empire statete and all thth doin takes energyyno matter whos doin. Theres all kinds of doin up in here. Or what theyre doin. What the hecks he doin . Energy got us here. And its our job to make sure theres enough to keep doers doin the stuff doers do. To keep us all doin what we do. It would be hard to imagine a campaign stretch that could have gone better for Hillary Clinton. A debate win, joe biden deciding not to run and clinton coming out onhe other side of the benghazi hearings looking politically a lot better than members. Susutance is another story perhaps for the general election debate. At the very least, clinton won by not losing, a capstone tonetoa tenday period during which she tightened her grip on the democratic nomination. Did any of you see our dedete in las vegas . S . [ cheers and applause ] last night a victory lap. Capping 10 pivotal days. If Hillary Clinton wins the democratic nomination will you all caucus for me on february 1 . Oober will go down as the month she secured it. Its been quite a week, hasnt it . In september, clinton was licking her wounds, leading Bernie Sanders in National Polls by just seven points, forced on to tv to explain the growing storm over her emails. You know how much i love ing interviewed. What a difference a month makes. From octobob 13 when clinton quieted democratic n nves at the first debate with an assist from senator Bernie Sanders. The American People are sick and tired of hearing about your damn emails. To 20k91 when Vice President joe biden bowed outf the race. I ibelieve were out of time. Ending 82 days about speculations of his old president ial ambitions. Were old friends. If i know joe, hell be right be there with us on the front lines. To october 22, when clinton survived an 11hour hearing largely unscathed. Im sorry that it d dsnt f f your narrative congressman. I can only tell you what the facts were. A string of successes has her sueded democrats shes worth rallying behind. At that benghazi hearing, clinton was good, not great, but her opponents made her look polished and president ial by comparison. N. I caca pause while youu reading your notes from your staff. Im happy to bring breakfast in but when we ask a yes or no question it would be helpful if we could get to the answer. On friday, the nations largest Public Employee union progressive be blogger Marcos Moulitsas tweeted Hillary Clinton was meh with the activist left. Thanks gop for changing that. I had a rough thursday. [ laughter ] as clinton was testifyi, fbi direretor James Comeyas answerinin questions in thehe building next door about the Ongoing Investigation into her use of a private server. Im confident we have the people and the resources to do it in the way i believe we do all our work,hich is promptly ndependently. B that thr frontrunner is determimied to win. 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[ laughter ] Jennifer Rubin who writes the right turn column for the Washington Post and Steven Henderson of the detroit free press. You are here to represent the entire outsidethebelt way. [ laughter ] i want to start with a remarkable moment from jeb bush. Lets see this whole thing again. If this election is about how were going to fight to get nothing done i dont want to. I dont want any part of it. I dont wanto be elected president to sit a aund and see gridlock become so dominant that people literally are in decline in their lives. That is not my motivation. Ive got a lot of really cool things that i could do other listening to people demonize me and me feeling compelled to dedenize them. That is a joke. Elect trump if you want that. Doris . Whoa. Yeah. I mean, compare that with how mccain handled himself in a similar situation in 07. He was cutting staff, as mr. Bush has, his poll numbers has gone down, he was in a bad place and he said ts how you face a challenge politically and physically that determines your character and your courage. And he said im going on a bus, im going to be lean and mean. And he said im going out among the ople. And eventually mac was back. You have to take these moments of adversity and show strength andndcourage and forward optimism. You cant blame the process. Youre it. Youre in it. John, every president ial president has that neardeath political experience, this is jebs. Right, he hopes its a neardeath perience. [ laughter ] fair enough. Set outn this race could do it with joy in his heart. That was an upset candidate right there who doesnt understand at is happening in the race. I think his whole family is a little taken aback by what thisisepublican party . Whats happening here . Hes raised so much money and i think hes going to have to figure out a way. His staff says the cutbacks he did were a way of adjusting to reality, becoming a new jeb bush campaign. Well see if he can pull it off. Want to play for u the first ad ben carson put up this week and then show you jeb bushs the first ad, that super pac, one of the early ads the super pac pu up. Its two different takes on this year. Take a look. Washington is broken. The Political Class broke it. Together we can drain the swamp and protect our childrens future. Pretty obvious that message. Heres right to rise, the Jeb Bush Super pac intro ad for jeb. If he didnt like project, it was going to be vetoed. It didnt matter if you were republican, it didnn matter if you were his beststfriend. He said this is where were going, this is how were going to reform state government. Every politician comes in talking about making change and generally theres not much change but governor bush made a lot of changes. He got the nickname veto corleone. Ben carson has read thth poll numbers t tis year. I dont know if jeb bushs team has. What strikes me is not only the outsider insider, but how backward looking jeb bushs ad was. He hes talking about what hes done. His family has an esteemed record, one of t t great political families of our era, and its not enough this time. Im also struck in that opening s. E. C. Ment how small he seems, how petty, how put upon. You have to rise above this. The presidency is about being bigger than life, not smaller. About being optimistic. I t tnk he is so befuddled and unhappy with this race that the worst elements in him rather steven, i think the last time we were on jeb bush had been in detroit, introducing himself. You saw him in march. What do you see now . We have startingngo look at fundraising numbers for both bush and carson. Carson leads republicans in michigan. Leads bush dramatically but whats more interesting is how. Hes leading wh small contributqons in large numbs throughout the state. People in tupper peninsula of michigan are givininto the carson campaign. Bushs support is concentrated in wealthy suburbs of detroit, grand rapids. Very obvious places. Hes got institutional support. The trick is neither can win with that strategy alone. They have to blend the two. Jeb bush h h to connect with individual voters better, carson has to get more institutional support. Who know whatss what well trump because jeb bush is rattledy whats going on. So is donald trump. Hes losing in two polls and the first h it was a bloomberg Des Moines Register poll. Listen to what trump said on saturday attacking the pollsters. Im number two in iowa i said i dont believe it. Onons bloomberer they h hte me. The other one is a super liberal newspaper, the Des Moines Register, which is third rate, totally third rate, not respected in iowa. Its a third rate crummy newspaper so i have these two polls, bloomberg hates me, donl forget, michael did want to run for psident. Rereember that. The same poll used to have trump ahead. But then he decided to take aim at ben carson. Believe it . Presbyterian. Im presbyterian. Im presbyterian. Boy, thats down the middle of fairness. Even more he took this little shot, doris, on the sabbath for people that are sevenen day adventists, adding insult to injury. I think the same thing we were saying about jeb bush is now important for mr. Trump. Hes in a moment of adversity, how do you handle it . The wonderful thing adlai i ee stevensns s sid the challenge is not how to win an election but how do you win without proving herself unworthy to win. These kind of comments are not going to hurt just the process, theyll hurt him and the general election. He has to figure out, hes in trouble and even if its not big trouble, he can rise above it. Hats what he h hs to do. You cant just give into it again. This stuff hasnt hurt him yet, john. No, it hasnt. But i think the questionve had about trump is long is he going to stay in this race sand he only going to stay in it as lolo as he feels really good . If he loses a caucus or primary is that going to be the moment where he says ive had enough of this . Its unusual at a time when hes still leading National Polls, still leading in new hampshire, still leading in South Carolina he would be so unnerved by simply falling behind in a polol in iowa. So it has toaise questions about how long he wants to do this. Jennifer, its not surprising that hes losing in iowa. Trump shouldnt win, but trump could the nominee, Mike Huckabee and Rick Santorum won it and they werent nominees. Ats he complaining about . His entire shtick is built around his invincibility, everybody in government is stupid, hes the only smart person. So as soon as hes not winning everywhere then his aura of invincibility, the thing that drives him to be a nner, to be the alpha dog is deststyed so there is a real question, i think, john, i think youre right, whether hell stay in this if he isnt leading wherever in every poll. Thats an expectation game that no one can possible match. I want to defend the des moineregister. [ laughter ] one of the midwests greatest newspapers. I suspect donald trump thought it was a Better Newspaper when he was leading in the polls. No doubt. Stephen, for what its worth, donald trump refused to apologize for the knock on dr. Carson and his religion because hes never apologized for those things. Right. I think this is the scary part of this campaign, this sort of strain of really awful divisiveness. Much of it cloaked in religious terms that weve heard during this campaign and thats not thats not american. Its not the thing that i think will get someone the nominatiti but s playing f f some reason among the electorate. Its interesting, john harwood, if you read todays oped page in the New York Times you were told the frontrunner might be marco rubio. Thats a person we didnt talk about at all. Do you buy thatvery ssrs. You could make that argument. It will probably come down to an outsider candidate and an establishment candidate and the likely to win in the end once a one on one mahup occurs. Whos best position to claim that . Maybe marco rubio. Its always been maybe with him. Always a lot of maybes. Well see. When we come back, well talk more about the democratic side of the aisle. Quick reminder here, a little plug for john. The Republican Debate in bolder, colorado, will air on cnbc on wednesday. The unercard is at 6 00. The big main event is at 8 00 eastern. Mtp daily will be out there in bolder life as well. Back in just 45 seconds with our end game segment. Did mitt romney really mean to after all . Covering your kids eyes is one way to prevent them from seeing something inappropriate. Another way is to use Parental Controls on your tv, computers, and mobile devices to control viewing habits when you not around. Its ininour hands. The more you know. Time for end game. The panel is back. Last night was a big democratic event iniowa. The j. J. Dinner. Bernie sanders is now going after Hillary Clinton more directly than ever has before. Take a look. Some are trying to rewrite history by saying they voted for one antigay law totop something wowoe. That thats not the case. The transpacific partnership. [ boos ]. Has it ever been the Gold Standard of trade agreements. I listened carefullyo what bush and dick cheney and rumsfeld had to say and i said no, theyre not telling the truth. [ cheers and applause ] stephen, he ticked it off there, iraq war vote, defense of marriage act, tpp. Hello clintons . Where was this guyuy during thehe debate . Thats what we wanted to hear him say during the democratic debate and he didnt step down. Some of this is about Bernie Sanders trying to change the internal dynamics in the party rather than hurt Hillary Clintons chances in the national election. Speaking to j. J. , hes all other her, on a national stage, hes way more conciliatory. What do you think of sfwherz is he mccarthyy or barack obama . When you saw him at the jeff jack coming with marchers behind the thing as if he was in an outside movement. His greatest strength is to say change comes to america when the outside and inside come together and im bringing these people from the tside. Its the way the abolitionistsed, the way the Womens Movement worked, the gay movement. Hes trying to say thats the only way washington will change is from the outside. And theres a strength in that butinside you havto make something happen. I think the interesting thing in watching him laa night was that u have to decide after that debate what happens to you internally. Hes decided to become more of a fighter. Hillary on the other hand will have that confidence more important than the polls, more important than the money shes getting. She can wake up in the morning now and i feel ive done something and maybe that whwhe sense of entitlement she had at the beginning where people thought shes just dynastic. By having a rough patch as she did for so long, she looks like the new fighter. Its a good narrative for her campaign. Jennifer, do republican primary voters change their thinking the stronger she looks . I think so. Thths one of the reasons marco rubio is looking better. They are not going to be able to. No nate just anyone. They have to have someone whos articulate, who knows something about the issues, Chris Christie likes to say i can prosecute the case against her. I think that has new resonance after we saw them not prosecute veryryell at the hearing. So i think Republican Voters as they get closer to the first elections are going say who can we envision on that stage against hillary . It will be hillary and it wont be a weak hillary. So some peopop think if it goeso clevevend it could be mitt romney. [ laughter ] let me tell you what mitt romney said about health care. He was quoted, let me read you something here. He was quoted in an obituary for the founder of staples, tom stemberg, and he was quoted in the obituary as saying this. Without tomom pushshng it referring to health care in general, getting more People Health care. Romney care and without romney care i dont think we have obamacare. Without tom, a lot of people would havent Health Insurance. So that sounds like endorse. Hes baa to the original position. This is what romney wrote getting people Health Insurance is a good thing and thats what tom stemberg fought for. I opposebamacare and believe it failed. It took insurance away from people whoere promised otherwise and usurp eded state plans. He was not comfortable being himself, owning up to who he was, what he had done. That did not go over well at all. And yet hes its almost hes still worried about his own politics. Hes not running for anything. Well are you sure . Yet. Im sure. Okay. Thats all we have for today. Well be back next week with mitt romneys announcement no,` 8xr im kidding. Well be back next week. Press. Announcer this is the steele report. Ron this week on the steele report, i should get some interesting eils because our topic is immigration and immigration reform. Our questioiong begins right now. Captioning provided by caption associates, llc www. Captionassociates. Com announcer now from kwwl, this is the steele report. Ron and welcome to this weeks edition of the steele report. Were very happy to have two special guests on board today. Were going to talk about what i would say is a polarizingng somewhat controvovsial topic, its immigration and immigration reform