We find out shes got 147 fbi agents investigating her email practices. That sounds routine. Thats totally normal. Its 147 fbi agents investigating her. All in starts now. Good evening from new york. Im chris hayes. Donald trump met with the head of Republican National committee as it became clearer than ever that a trump nomination is an absolute nightmare scenario for the gop. Just had a nice meeting with rein krerks reince preibus. His rivals and much of the gop establishment plot to deny him the domination at a contested convention. It follows what politico called 24 hours after mayhem when trump uttered statements that were incindiary by his statements. How about europe . Im not going to take it off the table. We have the Geneva Convention and all sorts of rules. Do you believe in punishment for abortion . Yes or no . The answer is that it has to be some form of punishment. For the woman . Yeah, it has to be some form. Trump later reversed that position which he claims was taken out of context but the damage was done. If not with trump voters but the rest of the american public. For months and months people have been asking why all of trumps extreme positions and out right bigotry and statements arent having an effect. The reality is they are having. Just not with the hard core trump supporters, the 30 to 40 gop primary voters primed to back him no matter what. Then theres everyone else in matter. Its clear that trump is shaping up to be a nightmare nominee. Trump is viewed unfavorable by 80 of vote. 80 of africanamericans and 85 of hispanics. Views unfavorable by 52 of noncollege whites, 53 of conservatives and 51 of the white men, the one group thats supposed to like him. The trend lines are devastating. Polls showed trump within three points of Hillary Clinton in a general election match up. Today hes losing by 11 points. Hes losing by a bigger margin to bernie sanders. One group we havent talked about yet is the biggest voting block. Three quarters of women view trump unfavorably. Yesterday he addressed the issue. I dont understand why. The numbers arent good. They were good. Nobody respects women more than i do. Yeah, its a real head scratcher. A protrump super pac rolled out a truly amazing new ad designed to help solve the problem. Sure i get grief when i say im voting for donald trump. I want to protect my family. Paris, San Bernardino and now brussels, i want a president that will keep us safe. We need to control our borders and stop letting in dangerous people. Trump will do that. The pac tells nbc news the spot will run nationally and statewide in wisconsin where voters go to the polls on tuesday. One poll shows trump losing to ted cruz 40 to 30 with cruz up 21 points since february, and trump stagnant. Joining me now senior Political Writer at buzz feed news. Betsy woodriff, political reporter at the daily beast. The fact that wisconsin has a set of specific conditions, the strength of its establishment, conservative talk radio. You have reince preibus, scott walker, its a state tailor made for cruz or were seeing the momentum come off the trump . What do you think . I think its possibly were seeing both. Wisconsins public world doesnt mirror the rifts that republicans in other states and nationally have. There isnt this angry basacrim that you see. Its not what you see in virginia, texas or other states. Part of that is because the talk radio world is to effective at bringing those groups together. Another important thing about wisconsin is that 70 of all voters there have an unfavorable view of trump that undercuts the entire thesis of his campaign. Yeah, i think that thesis is getting a little harder to buy by the day. Youve wat youre watching it now. Theres people saying this guy is a disaster. Hes said this guy could be a pretty good general election candidate. The way hes conducted himself, his inability to exert any discipline, yesterdays spectacle with my colleague, chris matthews, i thought he did a great job. Its evident the guy hasnt thought about anything at all. People dont like that. Its all impulse and reflex. Hes cultivated a certain brand. Hes good at responding and reacting to everything that comes at him on brand. That brand is not as weve seen, appealing to the National Electora electorate. Its appealing to 35 of primary voters. The theory he was going to win back North Eastern states and rust belt states the, you could see a world in which that would work. You could see a world in which trumps economic populism paired could win voters. Hes alienated so many other voters. Now even in that poll that you showed, 51 of the white men dont like him. He doesnt have a core of support that can carry him to a national victory. Howard, you ran one of the two major parties in america for a period of time, at least the democratic National Committee. Heres my question for you. Trump goes to meet with reince preibus. Is there anything the rnc can do to stop him, cut him short of the nomination, essentially take a nomination away from him . There is. The insiders dont believe its possible or wise to do it. Ive had a couple of dinner meetings with republicans where you talk to ceos and all these kinds of things, different points of view. Most of them believe trumps got it. The price of taking the nomination away from trump would be to destroy the republicans in this election cycle. Theres another thing that we havent talked about. Ted cruz is an incredibly unappealing candidate. For him to be the alternative to trump, its out of the trying pan a frying pan and into the fire. His views are more extreme than Donald Trumps are. This is a spectacular melt down. Your point is well taken. Do they scotch the whole field and try they could. They can change the rules. They can change the rules. I know what the rules are now because of hearing and listening to some really prominent republicans who know about the convention. Theyre different from ours. They can change the rules and make sure trump didnt get the nomination. There would be a big price to be especially with the nomination of ted cruz. I have not yet met a republican insider in a private dinner, one of these type of things or private meetings that we have with various people, who believes that the nomination is going to go to anybody who is not in placed nomination. Right now john kasich doesnt have the credentials to be in nomination. Ive never seen anything like that. I dont like to venture a guess because ive been wrong 100 of the time about everything ive said so far. You have esteemed company. Thats part of whats made it difficult to gain this out. I have felt, covering this day in and day out, having been deeply embedded in this. It feels theres something shifting in the last week. Its not about shifting with his appeal to the core of people in the republican primary. Its the shift, its the dawning awareness of the scale of the electoral disaster that he could be in the fall. Some of these polling numbers, i cant imagine how hard it is for folks at the rnc to look at them. Just the abc poll that came out, i believe a vifew hours ago, he unfavorable rating was 52 . Its the only thing they within the to talk about. The only hiccup is their guys has more than twothirds unfavorable rating. They cant talk about it. Talk about the turn out numbers with republican primaries. What could the guy do . What is he supposed to do . You do wonder, the big question, we were just talk about this. The big question is the rnc, the party elders, the leaders of the establishment, its about how willful the party is to stop trump. Thats the big question. The big question is where theres a will, theres a way. The rules are a symptom of power. They are not a source for its cause. I really believethis. This is about power. This is about who controls what and who is willing to do what. If the people in power, howard, decide to roll over, which it sounds like your conversations they are resigned to doing, they cant stop him. If they do want to stop him, they can. First of all, this will have about 19 more chapters before we get to the end. Its possible they will have the equivalent of the democratic 1968 convention in chicago. Not only will you have this mayhem inside the hall if they try to take him out by changing the rules. What will happen outside the halls when you have every group opposed. If your choice is trump or cruz, both of them are so far out of mainstream of politics. Its out of frying pan into the fire. Youll have every group this america protesting outside the Convention Hall in cleveland. I dont know what i would do if i was reince. Quit your job. The point you made about 68 is key. Everyone remembers the footage of what happened outside the Convention Hall. And inside. Inside the Convention Hall there was a fight over the mississippi delegation, whether it was the Mississippi Freedom Party or the old segregationists. Maybe well have two south carolina. What people remember about that convention besid, besides riots, daily going like this. The mayhem inside the Convention Hall was the anthesists of what you do. Thank you. The big school on Hillary Clinton that sounds too out landish to be true, turns out wasnt true. The story behind the supposed 147 fbi agents, coming up. First, Donald Trumps comments on abortion set off a fire storm from the left and right. Wendy davis joins me to talk about it. That story is next. Do not go anywhere. I take pictures of sunrises. Its my job and its also my passion. But with my back pain i couldnt sleep. So i couldnt get up in time. 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Its an amazing feeling turning those lights back on. Be informed about outages in your area. Sign up for outage alerts at pge. Com outagealerts. Together, were building a better california. Do you believe in punishment for abortion . Yes or no as a principle . The answer is that it has to be some form of punishment. For the woman . Yeah, it had to be some form. Since ten years. That i dont know. Why not . I dont know. You take positions on everything else. I do. You mean you want to ban abortion. How do you ban abortion without some kind of sanction . Then you get in that tricky question of a sanction. A fine on human life, which you call murder. A fine . Imprisonment for a young woman who finds herself pregnant. It will have to be determined. Almost immediately after the words came out of Donald Trumps mouth, even as they were coming out. He never given the issue of what a world where abortion banned would look like. Two, he had run afoul of the group he was trying to approve to. Within hours of trump advocating the punishment of women who get abortions, two antiabortion groups condemned his remarks. Susan b. Anthony says let us be clear its solely for those who profit off the life of another. March for life said hes out of touch. Women who choose abortion do so in deseparation and regret it. No prolifer would want to punish a woman. Ted cruz who opposed abortion agreed. Should women who get abortions be punished . Of course not. Donalds comments, today, are just the latest demonstration he hasnt thought seriously about the problems facing this country. Hes willing to say anything to try to get elected. Trump realizing he managed to anger both spent the day walking it all back, first, saying the issue should be put back to the states and saying the doctor or any other person performing this illegal act upon a woman would be held legally responsible, not the woman. The woman is a victim in this case as is the life in her womb. Tonight, trump tried a new angle saying the comments were taken out of context. The antiabortion Rights Movement have spent decades carefully crafting a position that equates it with murder but only indicting the doctor. Donald trump not understanding the admittedly convuluded contradictio contradictions. For that, he has to recant. What was your reaction to watching trump say that and then the backlash from the folks in the Antiabortion Movement . It was fascinating because its hard to make any logic of the position that the antichoice movement has in this regard. They use the terminology murder, as you said. Then at the same time they try to walk back from any position that would be perceived as condemning women who choose to have an abortion. The fact of the matter is that the prolife movement, for a very long time, has been all about punishing women who are wanting to choose an abortion in this country. That punishment has come in the form of making sure that they remove that access step by step, dismantling roe v wade. They have prohibited so many women to be able to access that care. I had a moment when i was watching this all play out over the course of the day and the backlash where it occurred in some ways its almost, what is happened in texas or mississippi is the best Case Scenario for that movement. Confronting the reality of what criminalizing abortion would be would provoke such widespread dismay from the american public. Its better to have it officially legal but totally inaccessible as the status quo they can aim for, but dont have to deal with donald trump stepping out of line. Whats so interesting is while they clearly offended a great number of people. Its already not very good. What he said yesterday wasnt necessarily any kind of anomaly. When you look at the actions of so many others, ted cruz, john kasich himself as governor, each of them has been antichoice and antiaccess to womens Reproductive Health care in all of its forms. They have created a dynamic where women have been punished. Theyve been relegated to a system where they can no longer access basic health care. So many women in texas were receiving their only health care from these Family Planning clinics that closed when planned parenthood and other clinics were starved for funds. Not only can they not get cancer screens or std screens, they cant get contraception. The idea that women ought to be forced into getting pregnant and where in texas they can no longer access abortion truly does relegate them to punishment. I appreciated the fact that donald trump put into words what theyve been doing all along. It also occurred if you want to make the distinction between an abortionist and the woman, often that would be the same person. We know that women resort to attempting to terminate their own pregnancies. Then there would have to be some criminal punishment needed out. No question about it. There already are women who are under criminal investigation or allegations because they have either selfinduced or because theyve helped another person to obtain an abortion in violation of the law. Its already the dynamic on the ground in this country that that is happening. Again, donald trump put the words to the reality. Wendy davis, thank you for joining me. Appreciate it. If you thought caucusing is a weird and possibly not particularly democratic process. Wait until you hear how north dakota does it. Ill explain, ahead. Is it becoming a better professor by being a more adventurous student . Is it one day giving your daughter the opportunity she deserves . Is it finally witnessing all the artistic wonders of the Natural World . Whatever your definition of success is, helping you pursue it, is ours. Tiaa. 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In the Washington Post it would suggest theres a criminal investigation of truly high titanic status. It would have been news very a very good reason. Heres the thing. That number, 147, was not correct. It was not even close to correct. Heres the Washington Posts own correction. An earlier version of this article reported that 147 fbi agents have been detailed to the investigation, according to lawmaker briefed. Two u. S. Law enforcement officials have since told the Washington Post the figure is too high. The fbi will not provide an exact figure but Officials Say its fewer than 50. According to msnbc, a former federal Law Enforcement official tells msnbc an estimate anywhere near 50 agents is also off base. There are currently about 12 fbi agents working fulltime in the case. The source could only speak anonymo anonymously. You think the correction will get as much attention as the original report. How does that happen . 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One a day vitacraves gummies. So, the story comes out this week from the Washington Post, theres 147 fbi agents assigned to the Hillary Clinton email investigation that made everyone think, thats a major investigation. Thats not true. Theres 12 agents working on the case according to a source with direct knowledge working on the case. 147 was such a ridiculous number adding that 50 also sounded unrealistic. You need an act of terrorism to get 50 agents working on something said the former fbi official. How did the Washington Post get it so wrong . Look at the Washington Post original source. According to lawmaker briefed by fbi director. Its safe bet he was a republican in congress who leaked this knowing full well it would look terrible for Hillary Clinton. This has now become a pattern. An unknown source leaks and theres a lot less to it. The number was so prepost roupr. The number was originally floated by fox news in january. For the Washington Post that should have been the first red flag. Theres this massive, not only email investigation, a clinton corruption. Clinton foundation. This was going to go on for years. That was the story fox was telling. No one else could confirm it. It was an only an investigation that fox could figure out. That should have been a red flag. If a story is too good, czeheck it. This is the clinton rules. You throw everything out, and fst the wrong, nobody pays the price. The key part of this. I want to go back to may 2013. Weve been on air for about a month. Big knew piece on abc exclusive benghazi talking points under went 12 revisions scrubbed of terror. Then the original full email chain showed the source was wrong. It was a full day story, fourday story and the email chain came out. Republican staffers just feeding this stuff. This case is a member of congress. It said lawmaker. We saw the pattern with bengha benghazi. Weve seen it with emails. Go back to travel gate. We create these investigations. Republicans are briefed on them and they spin these fantastic tales to the press who types it up because they think its great story. Its a story. If it were true. Every time, every time when we go through it, these facts dont hold up. Then the Washington Post. Theyre not going to make any change in their anonymous sourcing policy. Were just going to keep doing this. New york times last summer, hillary is the target of a criminal investigation. Famous leak. It was walked back. Once you put that in the pipeline, once you put that out there, wait, hillary is going to be indicted. You cant walk that back. I havent seen many news organizations try to walk it back in the last 48 hours. The other part about this is when you talk to Republican Voters at Campaign Events when weve been on the trail, a very High Percentage think its essentially a foregone conclusion, she will be indicted. Thats a probable event. Thats been because in that world, not just in the mainstream media, particularly in the conservative media, this just an imminent thing. Yes, the orange jump suit. There will be impeachment hearings. Why would you believe anything else . The problem is when we start having the Washington Post on the edges. In terms of the emails, there was a piece in the l. A. Time, Associated Press rounded up experts, american prospect had university of michigan law professor, all going into detail. Legally theres no there there. No one will be indicted according to all these experts. That should be the starting point. Not the opposite of when will she be indicted. Is there reason to critique her or question her judgment. Is there a criminal investigation larger than the Oklahoma City bombing happening . Theres a pretty wide gulf. Theres a pretty wide gulf. Very interesting things about the clinton s the criminalization. It goes back to the 90s and need to criminalize a bill on hillary. Ted cruz sort of waxing poetic about her turning in her jail cell. Thank you. Two new videos from outside the same donald trump rally. One that is disturbing and the other one thats, well, well let you be the judgment. Well play them both. Dont go anywhere. Just ahead. Rick 1 how about a raise . patrick 2 how about 20 . patrick 1 how about done . patrick 2 thats the kind of control i like. And thats what they give me at national car rental. I can choose any car in the aisle i want without having to ask anyone. Who better to be the boss of you. patrick 1 than me. I mean, you. Us. vo go national. Go like a pro. Its my job and its i takealso my passion. Rises. But with my back pain i couldnt sleep. So i couldnt get up in time. Then i found aleve pm. Aleve pm is the only one to combine a sleep aid plus the 12hour strength of aleve. For pain relief that can last into the morning. And now. Im back. Aleve pm for a better am. Police in jamesville, wisconsin is looking for a suspect who pepper sprayed a 15yearold girl. Authorities believe this man used pepper spray on the girl. Here is how this unfolded. It shows the 15yearold who was chanting black lives plaert accuse a white man of groping her. She punched the man in the cheek. Police said theres no evidence the man groped her and hes not being investigated. The man declined to press charges. She was referred to juvenile for disorderly conduct. What happened immediately after the punch when another person pepper sprayed the 15yearold girl in the face. Hey. Police are asking for the publics help in identifying the pepper spray suspect and say she could face charges of battery. The pepper spray teenager left to receive medical attention. Just as disturbing in my view is what was shouted at her after she was pepper sprayed. Now you [ bleep ] get out of here. N word lover. Get out of here. Something we find ourselves saying a lot. Campaigns do not control who the supporters are or how they act. Theres been a disturbing pattern of violence by trump supporters. In the full interest of equal time and being balanced, well show you something that happened at the same rally that ended with this. Its a [ bleep ] circus. Look. Look. Look at the monkey. Look at the monkey. I did that on purpose. Well play that full video after this short break. Stick with us. And it affects each and every one of us. Microsoft created the digital crimes unit to fight cybercrime. We use the microsoft cloud to visualize information so we can track down the criminals. When it comes to the cloud, trust and security are paramount. Were building what we learn back into the cloud to make people and organizations safer. Because you cant beat zero heartburn i take prilosec otc each morning for my frequent heartburn ahhh the sweet taste of victory prilosec otc. One pill each morning. 24 hours. Zero heartburn. Outside tuesday rallys, it seems one antitrust protester had enough. He eventually took aggressive action. You come out here and wait in line. What are you smoking . Im smoking pot. Thats what im spoking, lady. Im smoking the green. You think im on drugs because i hate this you [ bleep ]. I just gave you what you wanted. I gave you what you wanted. Its a circus. I did that on purpose. Its all a show here. In case you missed it, well show that dismount one more time. Its a [ bleep ] circus everybody. Look. Look. Look at the monkey. I did that on purpose. The protesters out there, please, dont be that guy. Could be bad. Could be a blast. Cant find a single thing to wear. Will they be looking at my hair . Wont be the same without you bro. When its go, the new Choice Privileges gets you there faster. And now, stay two times and you can earn a free night. Book now at choicehotels. Com. Of fixodent plus adhesives. They help your denture hold strong more like natural teeth. 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Bottom line is if we went back ten years or so, we felt we would see only one or two feet of Sea Level Rise per century due to expanding of the ocean as it warms and melting of ice on land. At first ten years ago we thought it was the temperature of the air that could melt the surface of the ice. What we have learned in the last ten years is there are a number of insidious ways the land based ice can melt and make its way to the sea. Its not just the air touching it. Its changing dynamics that cause it to move. In this case an instability along the cliff where the water meets the air. Were learning all these things about how the die mayna. What does that mean . We realize were only learning about these processes as we begin to observe them. That suggests right up front that we cant predict exactly how much change well get but the more we push the system, the more we allow increase in Greenhouse Gases to push us outside of things weve experienced in the past, the greater the risk of these frankenstein surprises whether its change in sea level, rang of possibilities. The different between two feet and six feet seems like a lot. What does that mean in the in inhab inhabitability of americas coast. What does that mean . It turns a flood event that happens every hundred years into something you can expect every decade. That completely alters the has be habiability of places. You dont have the financial recours recourses. There have be to be retreat. Retreat. Thank you for being here. Appreciate that. Why the hottest place is none other than fargo, north dakota. Ill explain after this break. Some say free the whales. For them, nothing else is acceptable. But nothing could be worse for the whales. 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Were going to absolutely show the world the real power. We need five million constitutional trumpists to be there, show that all the filth that the establishment does not steal the popular vote from the people. Republican National Committee man, a popular vote doesnt matter at all. Its the delegates who pick the nominee regardless of how the citizens in the state voted. The delegates are not bound. They are free to vote their conscience. Anything is possible because the convention of the Republican Party is the highest authority of the Republican Party and they can do anything they want. Nowhere is the party in in control. The voters are cut out of process. Some hold primaries and some hold caucuses. Theres back and forth over which model is the most representative. North dakota holds the state convention. No voters needed at all. Thank you very much. That Convention Kicks off this fargo. Two of the campaign will go there to make their case. Ben carson is scheduled to speak at a sunday morning session not till after all the delegates have been elected. Joining me now is former north dakota party chair. Hes running to be a north dakota delegate and National Political correspondent for the Washington Post. Describe the kinds of people that are going to be running like yourself to be delegates to this convention. Thank you for having me. Just about 2,000 people at the delegate, state convention. They come from Party Faithful people that have been involved in the district process whether the district chairman, Precinct Committee people and if they wand to be a delegate, they apply to the state party. Theres a committee that reviews them. Then they select a slate of delegates to the state convention. The floors open for anything that wants to be a delegate. An election is held from the 2020 0 2000 delegates on the floor. You say, its open to everyone. Theres a criteria. You have to have a certain, meet certain criteria. History of work for the Republican Party. Monetary contributions. Never attended a national convention. All these go into the mix of who ends up being elected to be a delegate. Thats correct. Part of the point of it is that people that go to a convention are typically the activist. Its a different process. The party decided to unbind the delegates. A territory of 112 delegates that are unbound. North dakota chose not to have a primary, taxpayers money. Didnt have a ku kus and decided to let the delegates be unbound. If donald trump doesnt get to his number, hes going to be in a position to play a pivotal role. Youre going to be incredibly popular. I love the scenario of it coming down to north dakota. To me, what im hearing here is it just matters, increasingly matters whos in that room in cleveland. When you get into the nitty gritty, i dont think the north dakota folks will be trump favorable because theyre people with a history with the Republican Party. Thats key. The congressman here, held online poll a couple of months ago of who voters supported. Trump wanted narrowly but it was not screened the way they wanted it. They scrambled late. Its easy to laugh at ben carson. He had probably the best organization in terms of getting delegates, bringing grass roots people into the movement making sure they are registered the right way. His two to lieutenants will be at the convention. Theyre not going to let this delegates just slip by. They are not blundering the way it looks from outside. First of all, are you telling folks who you favor and if not, how are you going to make up your mind . First of all, ive probably leaned a bit towards donald trump because maybe a tea party or party chairman, i think there needs to be shake up in washington, im really not for a candidate. I think theres plenty of time between now and the convention that we have time to decide whats going to happen. I would say theres a lot of people that are going to be applying to be delegates that are establishment. I think you have john kasich in advantage in the process. At the end of the day donald trump doesnt have the ground game that ted cruz has. The Cruz Campaign and youve seen it through the caucuses and conventions. Cruz will have an advantage of getting people that will be delegates from north dakota. Dave, the question i have is, who knows how to do this the best . What were headed toward sis theres not a will the of practice with this. Folks are just not used to like the internal mechanisms of manipulating the rules and the levers of the Party Apparatus to win these kinds of battles. Cruzs campaign knows how to do it well. I would add the candidates father is in the state trying to get people to become delegates. They definitely have won the organization game in that round. In terms of understanding how the larger process works, the team that trump puts together late in the day includes veterans of the 1976 contested convention. Theres also a sort of alliance between trump and cruz in a couple of respects. Try to stack the rules committee so theres a hard cap on how you need eight states to be nominated. They think they have the best chance. Cruz, and Trumps Campaign think they have the best chance of n winning if they kick this down. Theyre already kind of working together even as they work against each other as they make that happen. The trump people are a bit more sophisticated than were letting on. No one would pretend the cruz people dont have a lead here. The rule 40, youll hear a lot more about rule 40. It will be one of the most controversial and important parts of this entire open convention because as dave said it sets the threshold. You have to have one majority in eight states. It was rule created for ron paul. 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