Trust the president. New reporting on the president s humiliation of Jeff Sessions in the wake of the mueller appointment. And the Treasury Secretarys new excuse for asking the government to subsidize his honeymoon. They had to give up a lot to take these jobs. All in starts right now. Good evening from new york. Im chris hayes. The most prominent voices of the trump base discovered today what many of his Business Associates and customers learned long ago. If youre in business with donald trump, eventually youre going to end up on the wrong side of the deal. This afternoon in an offcamera session with reporters on Board Air Force one, the president defended his decision to work with democrats on a deal to protect undocumented immigrants who came to the country as children. In exchange for increased Border Security. Im a republican through and through, but im also finding that sometimes to get things through, its not working that way. And, you know, we got very poorly treated on the health care plan. We have to get things passed. And if we cant get things passed, then we have to go a different route. Since last night when Chuck Schumer and nancy pelosi emerged from dinner with the president , announcing theyd struck an agreement to extend daca, the obamaera deferred action for Childhood Arrivals Program which the president recently moved to end. Theres been an extended back and forth given the white house and capitol hill over what exactly was agreed to, if anything. The President Tweeting this morning, no deal was made last night on daca, massive Border Security would have to be agreed to in exchange for consent, would be subject to vote. Minutes later he went on to advocate for the democrats position tweeting, does anybody really want to throw out good, educated, accomplished young people who have jobs, some serving in military, really . Well, yes, actually, really. For instance, his own Attorney General. Who wants to do just that. Argued without basis that daca
recipients disadvantaged nativeborn workers. Candidate trump himself said Daca Recipients should stay with their families but they all have to go. Today the president told reporters he would agree to protect Daca Recipients even if he doesnt get his border wall in exchange. The wall will come later. Were right now renovating large sections of wall. Massive sections. Making it brandnew. Were doing a lot of renovation. We met last night with, as you know, schumer, pelosi, and a whole group. And i think were fairly close but we have to get past the Border Security. Mitch is on board, paul ryan is on board. Ryan and mcconnell agree with us on daca. Were very much on board. The reactions from ryan and mcconnell themselves were considerably more circumspect. Mcconnell saying in a brief statement, we look forward to receiving the trump administrations lins lave proposal as we continue our work on these issues. Ryan said the president and Chief Of Staff told him there was no agreement. But among the antiimmigrant
john poe dead sta was the chairman of Hillary Clintons president ial cam taken 2016, Counselor To President , who issued daca in 2012. Are you surprised by the developments in the last 24 hours . Of course, think everyones a little bit surprised. But i think we got to get out of the politics of this a little bit and remember whats at stake here. 800,000 young people, as President Trump himself tweeted this morning. Good kids, hardworking, in school, in jobs, in the military. And i think that last night he met with the two leaders, they struck a deal, and he should push forward with it. More Border Security in exchange for making daca permanent. That will be good for those young people. It will be good for the country. I think a majority of the public would support that. One point. Border security funding, we should say. Its unclear whether that will actually produce more Border Security. But in terms of the underlying truth of this, i agree with you. I think 800,000 actual
individual human beings with lives and but thats been the case throughout. I mean, its not like the politics are a sideshow. The reason barack obama had to issue daca as an Executive Order is because the votes werent there with the Republican Congress to do it statutorily. I agree with that. I think that the republicans have been reluctant to do it. But now they have a republican president hopefully who will be pressing them to do it. Hes gone a little bit back and forth on it through the course of the day. But he seems to settle in the evening again on the idea that these young people need relief. And hes promised to give to it them. And i think that if that means, you know, angering a couple of breitbart readers and some talk radio hosts, then he should go ahead and do it. Because these people need that relief. I think, as i said, he made the deal. Now we can see if he is a person who, you know it surprises me to say this, but well see
whether that when he sits across the table from the Democratic Leaders and makes a promise, whether hell make good on it. Well. Yeah, i mean, i wouldnt i wouldnt bet too much on that, given his history. But heres a question. You were in that white house with President Obama. You watched him work on a variety of issues and get stonewalled. You were Campaign Chair for Hillary Clinton. Had she been elected president likely would have worked in the white house, Chief Of Staff, Something Like that. You and i both know theres no way there would be a single republican vote for a dream act to be cemented into law if Hillary Clinton were president. Ryan and mcconnell would never bring that to the floor. How do you understand that . How do you understand the fact that in that universe, the same bill would be a nonstarter, but if donald trump signs on, they can probably pass it . I was with in the white house with President Obama in 2014 when he tried to get comprehensive immigration reform. And there was clearly a majority of votes in both houses. There were republicans who favored it, there was a solid
the entire Democratic Caucus would have voted for it. But at that time, congressman boehner, speaker of the house, couldnt bring it forward because he was afraid of the right wing in his party. I think the same thing was probably true of senator mcconnell. Now i think that President Trump is pressing them and saying, look, i will take the flack from the right if you push this forward. And well see if hes got the gumption to go forward with it. Certainly hope that he does. As i said, at the end of the day the politics are sort of sometimes the white house looks a little bit like a clown car, youre never sure whos getting out the door. But at the end of the day, he said he would provide relief to these people. They need it. And he should make good on that. I raise the Hillary Clinton question, Hillary Clinton of course will be a guest of rachels just later on after this show. She has a new book out. How do you understand what would
be different in this country if she were president right now . Well, i think everything would be different. I think wed have a different Foreign Policy. A different domestic policy. She certainly put forward an Economic Program that was focused on providing trying to focus on raising wages for the for working people, for the middle class, to raise the minimum wage, et cetera. Instead we have a white house that really has been dominated up to this point by special interests. People who are really more interested in getting favors for his friends in the business community. Theres been essentially nothing passed through congress. And on the Foreign Policy side, i think weve had an erratic Foreign Policy. In which our allies are really confused about where the president wants to go. He thinks thats like keeping everybody guessing. I think mostly it keeps people offbalance in knowing how to
deal with the major threats from russia, from north korea, et cetera. So i think she would have been a steady hand in foreign affairs. I think most importantly she would have been fighting for the working people that he claimed to argue for in the campaign, but has been really i think abandoned since hes gotten to the oval office. Thank you, john podesta. Thank you. For more on the backlash to a potential daca deal, jennifer rubin, Washington Post. Lonny chen, Senior Adviser on marco rubios 2016 president ial campaign. A few of my favorite reactions. Hannity blaming congressional if the reports true 100 , i blame rs. They caused this, they wanted him to fail, and now pushed him into the arms of political suicide, if true. Breitbart calling him amnesty don. What do you make of the reaction . Im having a wonderful time, i must say, chris. Listen, the republicans made a deal with the devil and now theyre getting bit. This man they knew was unreliable, they knew was a narcissist, who had no principles, and now hes pulled the rug out from under them. So listen, donald trump will say yes to whoever is in front of him and whoever he thinks is going to give him the most applause. So this is where he is. Poor Jeff Sessions who was called an idiot but stayed on so he could deal with ilLegal Immigration and Legal Immigration hows that going, jeff . Trait, i think whats happening now is something very positive. Thats kind of need the surface. As reported today you have both the house bill and now a senate will. Championed not by two gang of eight republicans, not two rhinos, but people like jim langford of oklahoma. And tom tellis of north carolina. Rocksolid republicans. They have a bill, a little tougher than the dream act, but its within the parameters that chuck and nancy talked about. Theyre going to be dropping that next week. And this is going to go forward. The question is will paul ryan
balk and get paralyzed and frightened by his Freedom Caucus . Or put something on the floor . So i think despite himself, were probably going to get through with amnesty don and get something tort dream efor the d. Sure, rush him bah and ann coulter and those folks will be upset. Think the trump base, actual voters, will be fine with it. Heres some evidence. A Policy Analyst at demos, a great analyst, he cited research from byu saying, telling Republicans Trump supports liberal Immigration Policy makes them support liberal Immigration Policy. Like he could tran substantiate things into being a tough populist Trumpian Position by virtue of Him Advocating it. I think youre absolutely right. Im not convinced this really hurts trumps standing with those who supported the president. Look, heres the thing. You look back to 2013. Donald trump met with a bunch of
dreamers in his office. I remember working during the 2016 campaign for marco rubio. This was an issue during that campaign. Ted cruz and others brought it up in an effort to discredit donald trump. But i actually think at core this idea of helping dreamers, this is probably something that donald trump has always at core wanted to do. The challenge is now hes facing political headwinds because there are republicans that dont want to do it. The republicans at this point politically are in a very, very difficult position. And donald trump is the one whos put them there. Because theyre going to have to basically support this thing if donald trump supports it, certainly. And even if he flips at this point, the republicans have been put in a very tenuous position. Its the right policy by the way to help these dreamers which brings me back to chuck and nancy, which is that no one here should have any illusions about whether this deal happens, how long this rapprochement is going to last. I feel like im a little skeptical of the any new trump story seems to me suspect, jennifer. Yeah, i dont think they
trust him one whit. I think they snookered him. I think they put him in a box on this and he tripped up himself and the republicans. I think chuck and nancy did not just fall off the turnip truck. They know exactly what they are dealing with. And they are trying to figure out ways to, first of all, increase the divisions within the republican party, and boy did they succeed in doing that today. And secondly, see if there are ways, big ways, little ways in which they can get something that they want. If they get dreamers, these people would be heroes. They control nothing and they would save the dreamers without a wall . That would be remarkable. Lonny, where do you think this goes next . Yeah, you know im not quite sure where it goes next. As with anything in the trump is thecy, who knows whats going to happen tomorrow. I think republicans at this point its a very difficult situation. Because there is this base pressure. And while chris to your point donald trump may not face that base pressure, guess what, Congressional Republican dozen. Thats right. Which is why theyre so squeezed. If he puts them in position to abandon their principles or go against him, theres like no daylight for those folks which is what makes it so fascinating. Jennifer rubin and lonny chen, thank you both. I wrote some more thoughts on daca that couldnt fit in the show. Find them on our Facebook Page at all in with chris. Breaking news, north korea fired a Ballistic Missile east ward. Japanese government said the missile flew over the island of hokkai hokkaido. This is the second missile fired by north korea over japan in the past three weeks. The launches came as north korea continues to threaten the u. S. Pacific territory of guam. The white house says President Trump has been briefed on this latest episode. Michael moore is coming up. And the incredible story about the time President Trump called Jeff Sessions an idiot to his face. Thats next. I count on my dell Small Business advisor
the president angered by sessions decision to recuse himself in the russia probe and by the appointment of a special counsel, told mr. Sessions that choosing him to be Attorney General was one of the worst decisions he had made, calling him an idiot, and said he should resign. Mr. Sessions would later tell associates the demeaning way the president addressed him was the most humiliating experience in decades of public life. According to the times, Administration Officials convinced the president not to accept the resignation and sessions decided to stay on for the chance to crack down on immigration. Which he got earlier this month when he, to great fanfare, announced the end of daca. An achievement that might be shortlived, considering the president and democrats are now reportedly hammering out a deal to make daca permanent. Glen thrush, new york times, is working on a book about the president. Ashley parker. Glen, this is operate great reporter here. The humiliation seems a particular recurring theme in the lives of trump subordinates. Well, i think if you sign on with donald trump, you got to wear a flack jacket, to say the least, maybe even a cup and a helmet. Look, i think the issue with sessions is once trump sours on somebody, and my colleague Maggie Haberman and i reported earlier in the spring that trump had been infuriated with sessions for recusing himself from the investigation, which by the way was a nobrainer. And virtually no one else, apart from donald trump, thought that sessions did Anything Wrong with that. Once you have established yourself on the wrong side of donald trump, thats the first ingredient. The second ingredient is once you have not stood up for yourself in a sufficiently stout way, he will purchasish you aro. I think that story extends to the president. Jeff sessions, every time he goes out on a limb, as he did with daca, when he stood there and made the announcement himself, he heard behind him the sound of donald trump sawing the tree limb out from under him. Thats actually i got to
think that its not coincidental. I remember thinking to myself, when sessions was made the point person for this, this is weird. People commented. It is very weird the president s making one of the most consequential decisions of his administration and he is not the public face for that. Instead it was Jeff Sessions. Now it doesnt seem so accidental. On this decision especially. It was a decision that the president told friends, aides and confidants that really he wants to get out of. He wanted to not make a decision at all. He really does see both sides of the dreamer issue. Keep in mind this is a president especially who understands imagery, he understands that taking these young people, many of whom as you tweeted served in the military, are valedictorians, are upstanding members of society, does not play well in terms of a narrative, did nothing else. So i think part of the reason he sent sessions out there was, you know, as glen said, to sort of saw off the limb of the tree, also because it wasnt something he was capable with and he and
his aides understood him standing up there, he would not be able to make the forceful case. Indeed, he undercut it this week. Right. Right, and i mean, it was notable that sessions didnt make just the legal case but the substantive case, basically that its bad to have these people taking american jobs. Theres a question, glen. One of the interesting things here is, theres sort of i think a unanimous view among folks that the comey firing was catastrophic. And someone convinced him when Sessions Tenders his resignation, and i think they gave him the correct advice, if you fire sessions, that is absolutely nuclear. And he listened this time, apparently. Well, look, donald trump has a very acute sense of selfpreservation. Its one of the reasons we see his new Chief Of Staff, john kelly, gaining some traction. Trump will push things up to the edge. And if he makes the determination very rationally that the action will boomerang on him in an unacceptable way, he wont do it. As you said, one of the really interesting things about the comey issue was that was a
catastrophic decision. Steve bannon himself said it was one of the dumbest moves in modern political history, most damaging moves. And the reverberations of that are extreme. Whats very interesting is, one of the few people who counseled him to do it, remember, was his soninlaw, jared kushner, who thought democrats of all people were going to come around and support trump because in defense of Hillary Clinton. So i think what youre seeing over time, at least, is a progression where his sense of selfpreservation at least has become better. So the decisions that he tends to be making seem to be more rational. Theres also my theory often is that its like forcing air into the balloon. And eventually the pressure overwhelms it. Weve seen times of, ashley, relative kind of i remember down the stretch in the campaign, it was prompter trump. It was about how Kellyanne Conway and steve bannon have one, one, one message. It did last three or four weeks. As someone who covers this interest meat, theres no is there a fundamental alteration
in how that white house is functioning . No, i dont think theres a fundamental alteration. And even general kelly went in saying, im trying to control the things i can control. The Information Flow to the president. The people he sees. How he interacts with them. But not the president himself. So there isnt that fundamental shift, although we are seeing stuff in the margins. But to your other question about sort of the way we can see trump scripted and then going offscript, i always think thats exactly right. I think of him as sort of needing a release valve. When you see him give a teleprompter speech, then he goes wildly offscript at a rally or sends out a tweet, its as if he needs that release. To that point, the president basically went back to his very controversial charlottesville comments again today where he essentially took time to blame the other side, meaning the notnazi side, a retrenchment yet again. Ashley parker and glen thrush, thank you for being here. Coming up, Michael Moore is here. And im still not ready. The reason im telling you this is that there will be moments in your life that. Youll never be ready for. Your little girl getting married being one of them. But he hasoke up wwork to do. In. So he took aleve. If hed taken tylenol, hed be stopping for more pills right now. Only aleve has the strength to stop tough pain for up to 12 hours with just one pill. Aleve. All day strong. When food is good and clean and real, its ok to crave. And with panera catering, theres more to go around. Panera. Food as it should be. Resistance as its called has been more powerful and more successful than anyone could have imagined immediately after the election, when everything looked so bleak for so many. The Documentary Filmmaker And ActivistMichael Moore now has a broadway show The Terms Of My Surrender about resisting President Trump. And he joins me now. Its good to have you here in person. Thank you very much. Youre working just a few blocks away. Yes. In a broadway theater. Actually, i learned recently, tell me if this is true. You directed Linmanuel Mirandas first musical. In high school. Yes, as a senior in high school. You were his director. I was his director. I brought to life the vision. The man who gave us hamm, you were his first director, thats impossible. I know, it was amazing. Its funny, i can still hum the tunes of that show, which was a 20minute musical that featured a maniacal fetal pig in a nightmare that he had cut up in biology class. Bob, lets go to a clip right now if we can. I want to start with this. You and i talked that first it was a night or two after the election. Yes. People in the streets. Weve talked since then. There are two arguments to be made about whats happened. One is that the resistance really has achieved more than people thought it possibly could have when you go back ten months. Right. The other is that people are still punching themselves out in the same way they were during the election. Which of those do you think is more accurate . Oh, the first is more accurate. You mean the punching out . You mean between the bernie people and hillary people . No, i mean theres people who still say, the base is still with them, youre making these arguments you tried to make in the election, they didnt work. They like the fact that he is who he is, blah, blah, blah. Right, no, i think the base is probably still with him. I think thats true. And we have a lot of work ahead to remove him. Because the republicans in congress have already polled their gerrymandered districts. They think they have a pretty good chance of coming back next year regardless of what trump
does. They really do. Impeachment is not around the corner. People are hoping bob mueller can somehow indict him but theres a lot of constitutional questions about that. And he can indict him after hes a civilian, after trumps a civilian, then we can indict him. Then i think our only question is going to be, do we try him as an adult . That will be the only thing yet to be determine the. In terms of when you look at these big fights, the fight over the muslim ban, held up in the courts, going to be appearing before the supreme court, the aca repeal fight, my read on the situation is, the activists and the organizers and the politicians and the legal aclu and folks like that have provided a friction against him that has been stronger than i thought it would have been. Yes. And that is in part because our opponent is not well. So weve taken advantage of that. We feel bad as liberals because you want to be nice to people who are not well. But you cant let someone behind the wheel of the car, you know, if theyre intoxicated. And you have to pull them out. So what weve done is weve ob obstructed him and we continue to do that. All the legal groups are going to continue to take him and his people to court. The resistance will be in the streets. It will be at town halls. We are recruiting people in congressional districts and State Assembly and state Senate Districts for next year. People are going to win. This year i should note, this year the state theres a challenger i think in every State Delegate District in virginia, which has exactly. I think is exactly. And were not we, the people, are not leaving it up to the Democratic Party, god bless them, to actually come up with a stellar list of candidates. Because a lot of the poobahs of the Democratic Party believe that they should be running more moderate or more conservative candidates. And that is the wrong way to go. And that is exactly how well lose. I want to return to that. But i want to ask you about chuck and nancy, as the president calls them. Chuck and nancy. They have their dinners i had them over for dinner last week. Did you . They never have paid for a meal. Did you sign a deal with them too . Theyre going to go for me on my new tv series. Did you actually have dinner . No, no, no. I have that would have been plausible. I have been in the room and ive watched them eat, does that count . Yeah, sure. All right. We watch this the last week or two, there was the debt ceiling, now the talk of this possible daca deal, whats your reaction . First of all, i of course believe pelosi and Schumer May Trump told them that he would, you know, not hurt these daca kids and were not going to build the wall. Of course he said that. And im sure he said Something Different 20 minutes later. Again, not well. All right . So is that your i want to be serious for a second, is that
your genuine read on him . Because people talk about this and i theres no i really personally shy away from remote diagnosis. Yeah, not me, though. I know that, im making sure to be clear about attribution here. You are not qualified to do that, i am. Thats my question, thats your read on this . You mean that a jokey way . I dont mean a jokey way. Thats part of the problem. The other part of the problem is that in my show every night, one of the first things i ask the audience to do is repeat after me. Donald trump outsmarted us all. And theres a little throwup in everyones mouth at that moment. Thats a good bit that is a good bit. Well, because, you know, he did figure out how to convince 8 million obama voters to vote for him. Right. The majority of white women to vote for him. He figured out, get this, where the State Of Wisconsin is. Right. And go there. All right . So he wasnt so i do think that theres this kind of, you know, kind of mad genius
cunning. Cunning, clever. Hold that thought. Because you just mentioned the show. I was walking in the neighborhood the other day. I saw that you had the show. But i saw the marquee and i was overwhelmed with envy. Oh, oh, envy, oh. Yes, that you have a show on broadway. Stick around, can we talk about that after the break . Youre on nbc, dude. Well talk about that after the break. A trip back to the dthe doctors office, mean just for a shot. But why go back there, when you can stay home. With Neulasta Onpro . Strong chemo can put you at risk of serious infection, which could lead to hospitalizations. In a key study, neulasta reduced the risk of infection from 17 to 1 . A 94 decrease. Applied the day of chemo, Neulasta Onpro is designed to deliver neulasta the next day, so you can stay home. Neulasta is for certain Cancer Patients receiving strong chemotherapy. Do not take neulasta if youre allergic to neulasta or Neupogen Filgrastim . Ruptured spleen, sometimes fatal as well as serious lung problems, allergic reactions, kidney injuries, and Capillary Leak Syndrome have occurred. Report abdominal or shoulder tip pain, Trouble Breathing or allergic reactions to your doctor right away. In patients with sickle cell disorders, serious, sometimes fatal crises can occur. The most common side effect is bone and muscle ache. So why go back there . If youd rather be home, ask your doctor about Neulasta Onpro. Dad molly, can you please take out the trash . sigh
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surrender. Whats the show . The show is two hours every night of me telling stories. We do some fun stuff on the stage. Theres a game show every night. Where people can win prizes. And but i talk about some of how some of the things ive been through in my life, stories that nobody knows about. And then i talk about people who make a difference. Just how one person. Nobodys from nowhere, as were called, can come out of that, none of us are nobodies, we dont live in nowheres. The show, its funny, its very pointed politically. And by the end of the show, im handing out armbands and machetes and we head over to trump tower. No, not really. Its a joke. Its a joke. But what we i believe that i belong to the majority in this country. And i think that people are still in despair since the election. So they come to this show. By the end of it, hopefully less
despair and more ready to give them some of the things that were all going to do. One of the things ive always found interesting about you, from the time i first saw roger and me, ive read a bunch of books and seen your movies. You have this selfidentification with where youre from. And i think that theres this certain critique of the kind of liberal elite from the right that can be very caricatured and wrongheaded and sort of unfair. But theres such a thing as this sort of bubble, right . I mean, broadway audiences kind of epitomize that. Thats why im here. Im curious. What are you trying to tell that audience thats paying to see you . Im in the capital of liberal america here. Right. And liberal america and the Democratic Party didnt get us in the white house. Even though were the majority, even though we have 3 million more votes, we hold no power tonight. So therefore ive come to the place where our liberal establishment exists, as a voice from the midwest, and also i come to the city that gave us
donald j. Trump. And every night just a few blocks away, yes, im a few blocks from trump tower, where he grew up in queens, and i asked this new york audience, what the hm did you do. Because if trump had come from flint, michigan, i dont think i could show my face on this show, id be so embarrassed that i didnt stop that years ago. Why didnt new yorkers stop this . Funny you say that. One of my theorys about donald trump is that you actually cant understand him unless you understand the racial politics of new york city right. Crime in the 80s and 90s, the idea the city was being destroyed, wilding and the central park jogger. That is the crucible he was formed in. Its interesting you talk about that. People think, hes very much a new york figure and a new york politician. Yes, and grew up in the same borough as archie bunker. Thats right. Thats where All In The Family was set. Exactly right. So youre right about the racial element of this. Where it took to trump its those people. Those people, you know. And its new yorkers like to tell themselves, were in the most tolerant city in the world. Thats not new york politics but very much theres a real tradition of that. No this is the city that gives us fox news. The national review. Rush limbaugh started here, wabc. I can go down the whole list of how much redneck, conservative, rightwing politics has come out of new york city. Right. So but i mean, i you mean redneck ironically . Yes, yes, of course. I want to be clear. No, im saying that yes, but they yes. Right. Thats what im saying. Michael moore, The Terms Of My Surrender, here in new york. How longs it running . To october 22nd. And i made a deal with the Schubert Organization that the balcony is 29. Because you know how broadway is. Thats fantastic. I wanted people to come. Come to the show. I have a Surprise Guest that appears every night. If you would come on one night after the show its no longer going to be a surprise, but yes. Oh, thats right. Ill run over after the show. Yes. If youll do that, i would love you there. It will be your broadway debut. Thats also true. You can show linmanuel what a real actor does thanks so much. Take care. Still to come, President Trumps millionaire Treasury Secretary is explaining why he wanted the federal government to subsidize his honeymoon. You know who likes to be
in control . This guy. Check it out selfappendectomy oh, thats really attached. Thats why i rent from national. Where i get the control to choose any car in the aisle i want, not some car they choose for me. Which makes me one smooth operator. Ah still a little tender. vo go national. Go like a pro. Carter pictures of his hands to prove they werent small. And decades later when it came up during the campaign he spoke at length about his hands, even spending four minutes telling the Washington Post how he has zero issues with his hand size. I mean, people were writing, how are mr. Trumps hands . My hands are fine. You know, my hands are normal. Slightly large, actually. In fact, i buy a slightly smaller than large glove, okay . You chose to raise it during a debate, can you explain why you had no choice . Yeah, because i dont want people to go around thinking that i have a problem. Im telling you, ruth. I had so many people. I would say 25, 30 people would tell me, every time id shake peoples hands, oh, you have nice hands. You have good hands. But that was then when he was merely a sixtime bankrupted businessman running for office. Now that hes president he cant
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wrong. My staff wanted to make sure that i was constantly had Access Information so they put in a request to request for flying and ultimately, we with drew it. Secretary and assistant president barack obama. You interface with Cabinet Officials as your job. Do you buy the idea that Steve Mnuchins concern for National Security was so great his staff was concerned he would be a threat to National Security if the government didnt pay for his honeymoon plane . I absolutely dont buy Steve Mnuchins explanation. There is plenty of time for Cabinet Members are allowed to fly on personal airplanes. There are other accommodations that can be made along the way. This is a continuation and the
da m ethics from day one of this administration. They did withdraw the request, one has to note but the thought i had was if it going to cost 25,000 an hour for you to work to fly around for your honeymoon, you can just not take the honeymoon. You were the general counsel for the department of defense. What advice would you have given in that situation . I certainly wouldnt have been flying on a Government Plane for my vacation. No question about it. I think we need to look at the laws that govern our people in top jobs and we need to have laws that contribute to the safety of america but that protect the american taxpayer and that should apply to President Trump as much as to his cabinet. There is another story today about the swamp that really pulled me over. The Acting Director of the office of government ethics, The Trump Ethics Watchdog moves to allow anonymous gifts to defense
funds. This is a move to allow anonymous unanimous contributions to funds, which are into the pocket, the bank account of individuals who are paying for legal expenses. What do you think of that . Ill say that, chris, this is a little foreign to me, no pun intended. I worked in the Obama White House for four years. I never hired a lawyer. I never knew anyone that hired a lawyer. I ran the 2008 transition. I never met with russian officials. I dont know what its like to have to hire a lawyer. Im sympathetic to people in the white house. There are ways to do this. You need to have sunshine and disclosure and ensure the people making contributions dont have business before the government. Or this becomes sanctioned bribery. Yeah, jill, the idea that someone could give write a 10 million check to the defense fund seems to be problematic. It is. The question still remains if they have done nothing wrong, why do they need 1,000 an hour
lawyer . If all they are is a witness to an event, if all they are is testifying to a conversation they over heard, they should be able to go in and testify without any legal representation. I think i disagree with that. I disagree. If my friend said im working go back to the Clinton Administration and bill clinton and his folks would say there are a lot of people that didnt do Anything Wrong that need to lawyer up. If your friend said ive been called before muller or talk to investigatiors wouldnt you tel them to get a lawyer . Im not sure i would. Depends what they have done and if they just over heard something or actually participated in it. I might seek counsel to find out whether what i did was illegal but i dont need to have somebody with me when im testifying to protect me if i havent done anything. I mean, i think its great that donald trump has given so much work to Defense Lawyers and now it looks like to ethics lawyers
and possibly Conflict Of Interest lawyers. So lawyers are definitely benefitting from this administration. Chris, are you confident that we know the full details of the possible vectors of undue influence that are functioning in this white house right now . Not at all. Every day there is a new way this administration is trying to erode the ethics standards. Not just the white house staff but the example this president or lack of example that he sets, and thats why all of these different issues and stories that you are flagging all come together. When you have a president that Doesnt Take Ethics seriously, this is what happens. Yeah, i think there is really a question, you talk about ethics and sounds like not strong enough, right . Ethics sounds like a thing like oh, you should do that. You should be a boy scout. Ultimately ethics will bleed into laws and the concern is what the legal exposure that folks may have as this all develops. Jill and chris, thank you both