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The evidence at the scene makes us believe that something entirely different happened. He told me she fell 20 feet. Where were the injuries . Why did i not see what i expected to see . A search for the truth in the woods and water. If your theory is right, that is almost like she was being hunted. Like a hare and a wolf. Two chilling accounts of what happened to the mom they all adored. One seemingly unsolvable mystery. Either you believe crazy story a or you believe crazy story b. Both stories are crazy. Which one do you want to go with . Winding down a mountain in southwest colorado, waterfalls spill over granite and sunlight filters through aspens and evergreens. Cottonwood creek an onlyinthewest sort of backdrop. These snapshots barely capture it, but who can resist trying . What a spot to preserve a memory. Careful, though. This is wilderness. The dangerous kind. Shes in the river. She fell and they cant find her. He thinks shes dead. Reporter the frigid currents here can take a life and also, maybe, sweep away secrets. It was the Perfect Place to commit a murder where nobody would see you. If you go into it looking for trouble, youre going to find it. Reporter and up in those mountains, sometimes questions are left behind. I dont have an explanation for this. But certainly it does truly haunt me. Reporter the story begins with those pictures. Together they form a couple, husband and wife, leslie and fred mueller, married for almost 27 years. They were always super affectionate. They acted like they were two High School Kids that had just started dating. Theyre just all over each other. And youre like, ewww. [ laughter ] reporter these are the muellers three children amanda, the eldest, then ariel, and alex, the youngest and only boy. They were brought up in texas, near the town of san angelo, but for fun the family headed out to their second home in lake city, colorado. Those photos of their parents were taken nearby. They both loved the cabin and going up to colorado. It was so pretty. It was in a valley, and there were just you would look and it would look like a postcard. Mountains. There was a river running right near there. Reporter their rockies getaway was a family place to relax and escape their busy lives back home. What was life like up at the cabin . We would usually go in the summers. We would just go hiking together, horseback riding and just kind of hang out as a family. Reporter did you feel like there was a lot of family bonding . Yes. Reporter going on at the cabin . Yeah, definitely. Wed end up having a lot of fun with board games or going out hiking and doing all these different activities together. Reporter in texas, leslie had an ob gyn practice and worked long hours delivering babies. And she was the areas first ob gyn, female ob gyn . She was. She was very much a pioneer in that sense. Yeah. Like, i think the more people told her you cant do this, she wanted to do it. Uhhuh. Yeah, she was very strongwilled and definitely a feminist in a way, that she was all about like i can do anything that any man can do and i can do it better. Reporter in 2004 leslie decided to make a change in her life. She retired from medicine and devoted her time to the church. She even studied theology. But most of all, leslie loved the outdoors, especially riding horses. I think if she had her choice, she would be riding horses every day and then practicing theology. And im sure she wished the days were longer. Shes like superwoman. Their mom embraced adventure, and she wanted her kids to as well. One time mom and i went, just the two of us. I hadnt been horseback riding in a while. And so i told her i didnt want to go more than maybe five, six miles. And she goes, okay, well, i found this trail. Its eight miles, but you can do it. And by the time it ended, it was 16 miles. Reporter so she tricked you. Yeah, but we had such a wonderful time. But the next day i was not moving. Reporter as for fred, he owned a multimilliondollar company importing steel for construction. Still, their dad wasnt all business all the time. In the traditional motherly roles, he would definitely step up and wasnt afraid to be mr. Mom. Reporter the mueller kids say their parents fit one another perfectly. Hed make a point of every night to try to do something nice for her. He was so proud of her, too. Theyd talk all the time. Anytime that there was any type of disagreement about, you know, who the dishes werent done or some honey do chore kind of a thing, they would talk about it until they were completely resolved. And then the next second theyd be all over each other again and be perfectly happy. Reporter it was a happy weekend at the muellers colorado cabin. May 3rd, 2008. Now that leslie was no longer working, she was spending much more time up here. That saturday the spring day was sunny, the highaltitude air still chilled. Morning began with chores. I think we were unloading some hay, doing stuff kind of like that around the house. Reporter so was this just a very typical weekend in colorado . Yeah. Reporter it was just alex, then 14, up with his parents on this trip. That afternoon, the three went to mass in town. Later, after a snack, his parents suggested they cap off the day with a hike to photograph some stunning waterfalls nearby. I was pretty wiped out by that time, and i just kind of wanted to hang out in the cabin and just read a book or Something Like that. So i turned them down on going for the hike. Reporter fred and leslie headed off with her dog gracie, a Border Collie pup. I think she was only 6 months old. Reporter was she rambunctious . She was rambunctious, for sure. Shes the type of dog that when the ceiling fan would be going, she would try to jump up and like follow it around. Reporter fred and leslie parked at the base of the trail. Snow still covered the ground in patches. They hiked up, past a small series of waterfalls. Up until they found the perfect spot for pictures. They had arrived at Cottonwood Creek. Fred struck a pose first. Next, leslies turn. One more of fred, big smile. And then leslie again. This time with her beloved gracie. Then something went wrong. Its like its just happening in slow motion in front of me. Reporter in an instant, leslie was gone. At the waterfall, shes in the river. Reporter what happened at Cottonwood Creek . Coming up is she dead . Tell him its too soon to know. The hunt for answers would start with a frantic search. At the waterfall she fell and they cant find her. Its his wife . Yeah. Where was Leslie Mueller, and did she survive . All of a sudden i hear yelling and the yelling is coming from downstream. When dateline continues. When dateline continues they help restore my natural barrier, so i can lock in moisture. 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I think the first time i kind of noticed that it was getting a little late, it had gotten dark and, you know, nobody should be kind of hiking or Walking Around when its dark. Reporter alex had no inkling of the tragedy unfolding at Cottonwood Creek. It started right after his dad took this picture of his mother, leslie. Leslie and gracie posed here. You can see its a stunning setting. But just about an arms length behind me is a cliff. A steep dropoff to the granite below. And the icy cold waters of Cottonwood Creek. Right after fred snapped the picture, leslie fell and was swept away in the water. Unable to find her, fred raced for help, driving more than a mile to the nearest house. Somebody just showed up at my house. Reporter with no cell service up by the creek, the owner of the house, justin sparks, was the first to call 911. He pulled up, he said, at the waterfall. Shes in the river. She fell and they cant find her. Hes frantic, of course. He said he thinks his wifes dead. Its his wife . Yes. Reporter the homeowner offered right away to help fred. They sped back up the mountain, and fred dropped him off at a spot to begin searching. Just down the road, physicians assistant and ems volunteer Michael Golub was on duty. A call went out over the radio for a female drowning victim. Reporter golob headed over to the base of the trail. There he ran into fred. He comes barreling down at a very high rate of speed and kind of slams on his brakes and starts yelling at me, lets go. Lets go. Lets go. Reporter the ems responder noticed this man he was trying to help could also be injured. Freds face was scratched up. He has some superficial lacerations. And so i take a minute to make sure this isnt my second victim, to make sure hes okay. And he assures me hes fine, hes fine, just kind of wants to keep going. Reporter but then as fred drove, he seemed disoriented. He pulled over, but he couldnt seem to find where leslie fell. I start to unload from the jeep. He says, no, this isnt it. And we get back in the jeep and he continues upstream or uphill. Reporter after another stop they found the right place and hiked toward the creek. All of the sudden i hear yelling and the yelling is coming from downstream. Reporter it was the homeowner justin sparks. Michael golub took off toward him. He was in a kneedeep pool down below the waterfalls. There was mrs. Mueller. Shes dressed in a lime green jacket. And shes floating face up. He actually found her. I believe he used the word pinned under the log and face down. Reporter leslie had no pulse. But golub thought there was still hope that she could be revived. Fred had caught up, towering over them from the creek embankment. He says, is she dead . I tell him its too soon to know. Reporter golob sent fred back down the road to look for more help. By then, a small village of First Responders had assembled at the start of the trail. Among them was Hinsdale County sheriffs Deputy Justin casey. We had other officers responding, but we also had the e. M. S. Personnel coming in ambulances, and we had fire personnel coming with the fire trucks. Reporter dispatch put a call into then local sheriff ron bruce. We had gotten a report of a drowning up on Cottonwood Creek. And they said theyd keep me advised. Reporter by then a group of medical responders made their way up to the creek to help. But still, no heartbeat. Not a breath from leslie. And it was clear she was gone. We were not going to be able to bring miss mueller back. Reporter at the cabin alex was wondering why his parents werent back yet. Their hike was only supposed to last an hour or so. But theyd been gone more than three hours. Were you worried . Not really worried as in something happened to them. Just more like its kind of weird that they would stay out past dark if theyre going tore a hike. Reporter it was past 8 00 p. M. When his dad got home. Without his mom. Its my dad and the deputy. And yeah, they come in. Its kind of a shock to see, you know, when youre expecting somebody, to see strangers coming in instead. Reporter what do you think when you see that . Not a whole lot of time to think, honestly. You kind of go into shutdown mode. Reporter alex recalled his dad seemed like he was in shock. He was very disheveled, had been crying a lot. And then he, you know, gave me a big hug, and that was kind of how it broke. Reporter i cant even imagine getting that news, when youve just thought your parents were going for a quick hike. Just kind of disbelief, really. The whole thing just seemed so surreal. Reporter then father and son were shuttled to the Sheriffs Department where fred could file a report about the accident. I remember them saying, you take fred, ill take alex. Reporter sheriff bruce was at the station to meet them. My initial reaction to fred was he was a victim, a grieving husband. Reporter fred gave a brief, handwritten statement. We want to make sure weve dotted the is and crossed the ts. We were dealing with the death of a woman. Reporter then fred and alex headed back to their empty cabin. And there, in that home that had until then been full of such happy memories, fred and alex endured the longest night of their lives. We stayed together in the same room the whole night. Reporter and did your dad sleep at all that night . It was a very long night. Reporter but they had no idea it was just the first sleepless night in what would become the longest ordeal of their lives. Coming up we started taking photos. She took a few of me. I took some of her. Fred gives investigators a detailed account of what happened to leslie. It looked to me like she just did a swan dive. And lands on the rocks right by the water. And hes very clear on who is to blame. It was that damn dog tangled up in her legs. Is what i think it was. What would police think of that . When dateline continues. Gmy c. What about robs dry cough . 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Fred and Leslie Muellers daughters, amanda and ariel, were hundreds of miles away from colorado when it happened. Their dad had to break the terrible news to them by phone. He said, im so sorry. Im so sorry. And i said, what happened . And he said, we were hiking. I was trying to take a picture. She fell. And i remember saying, but shes going to be okay. And he said, no, shes dead. And i kind of lost it. I started crying terribly. And he said, im so, so sorry, mandy. Reporter what did your dad say to you when you got him on the phone . I dont even think i asked him what happened, because you dont want to hear details. I mean, i could easily say that was the worst day of my life, that i found out about my mom. And the only detail that matters, that she was gone. Reporter the tragic details, however, were the business of Hinsdale County sheriff ron bruce. He and his small office have the huge job of patrolling more than 1,100 square miles of potentially dangerous wilderness and wildlife. Should they have not gone oh no, no. Reporter to that area . Or was it okay . It was perfectly fine. I think it he related it was something of an idyllic day. Reporter the day after leslie died, sheriff bruce stopped by the muellers cabin to get a more precise account of what happened during that hike. Bruces undersheriff and a state investigator talked to fred. You know, i shouldnt have even taken her up there. Its all my fault. Reporter the conversation at the muellers Kitchen Table was recorded. We started taking photos. She took a few of me. I took some of her. Reporter fred described in detail how that kodak moment went wrong. I suggested that she take a picture with her dog, and its a Border Collie and its a very its just extremely skittish dog. She looks at me and i take her picture and we think everythings cool and i think like a bird kind of flutters by. Reporter fred said the rambunctious Border Collie got startled. But the dog just jumps out as shes turning and its like its like her feet just went out from under her. Its like its just happening in slow motion in front of me. She falls forward and i remember lunging forward to try to get to her, but i was probably five, six, seven feet from her. Reporter fred said he witnessed leslie freefall. It looked to me like she just did a swan dive. And lands on the rocks, right by the water. Just like head and shoulders and just crumples. And then just slides like mush into the little channel. And im screaming her name, im hollering. I shouldve just jumped in. Reporter fred said he lost sight of leslie in the water so he ran down to where he thought the current would take her. He said he got scratched up as he stumbled up and down this embankment, navigating rocks and running through bushes. I must have tripped, i dont know, a few times, quite a few times coming down. And im sure i obviously hit something coming down a few times. Reporter he told how he had left the camera with those last images of his wife behind. I would imagine i just dropped it while i was screaming. Reporter unable to locate leslie, he abandoned his search of the creek bed and made the decision to go for help. I hauled butt down to justins house and im honking and i scream at him to you know, i think my wifes dead. Reporter after listening to freds story, the sheriff wanted to go up to the site of the accident. You take fred back up to the mountain . Yes, we did a walkthrough on the scene. Reporter up at the scene, fred repeated how the dog seemed to cause leslies fall. It was that damn dog tangled up in her legs is what i think it was. Reporter gracie ran off into the woods right after the accident. A member of the Sheriffs Department later found her and took her back to his house. Everything changed that day. Reporter changed forever in ways the kids could not, in their immediate grief, begin to grasp. Thats because while their father was on that mountain talking to authorities, seeds of doubt were being planted right in the landscape around Cottonwood Creek. Coming up one of those seeds found near the ledge where leslie spent her last moments. All at larm bells were going off. Even to this day it gives me the chills. And a family worries about their grieving father. You just didnt know if he was going to do something crazy or if he was ever going to get over this and be able to move on. When dateline continues. Hes there is a bit of a clogging problem. clog dancing at least geico makes it easy to bundle our renters and car insurance. Yeah, helping us save us even more. For bundling made easy, go to geico. 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Reporter there, fred and alex were reunited with amanda and ariel, alexs older sisters. You hear horrible stories and you feel for these people. It was surreal that we were now that family and now, you know, just trying to get through it. Reporter so many came to pay their respects. But mourning took its toll. I would hold myself together in front of people who would visit and then id go in the other room to cry and break down. Its natural. Kind of just saving face a little bit. Leslie the horse lover was buried on the texas ranch where she grew up riding. When the blur was over and you finally had time to process what had happened, what did you think about your mom and your future . I was angry. I was really looking forward to being pregnant and calling my ob gyn mom anytime i had any kind of little odd thing happen. It was like two weeks before my graduation. It was like a week before my prom. Like all these big things that werent the biggest things in the world. But it was just, like, things that your mom should be there for. And i mean seeing us grow up. Its reporter the kids werent just grieving their own loss. They felt their fathers too. I had never seen him so sad or, you know, you just didnt know if he was going to do something crazy or, you know, if he was ever going to get over this and be able to move on. Reporter and up in colorado, sheriff bruce wasnt moving on either. He still had questions about the accident and freds story. Hed sent Deputy Justin casey up to Cottonwood Creek to document the site. Casey brought his brother with him. They snapped photos and shot video along the way. We started below where mrs. Muellers body was found and took photographs below as we progressed upstream. Reporter as the Casey Brothers moved up the creek, they noticed that the creeks flow didnt seem very strong. It didnt push us around as we were walking. We were careful with our footing in the sense that there are slippery rocks underneath the water. But it wasnt hard to go against the current. Reporter the deputy couldnt help but wonder how had leslies body floated so far . The water is coming down. But its not a raging river. Its not fast moving. Reporter deputy casey reported back to sheriff bruce who by that time had talked to the couple who lived by the trail and had helped fred in those first, frantic moments. What they said cast a new light on freds story of that awful day. Little tickling at the back of their neck had sent up some red flags to them. Reporter they told sheriff bruce that as they called 911 and set out to help in the search, fred was frantic one minute, then seemed calm the next. They said the vibes were all wrong from him. They became very uncomfortable. Reporter did they kind of, like, in hindsight think back . Or was it right then . They were immediately concerned that something was amiss. Reporter it was the husband, justin, who found leslies body in the creek, but he told the sheriff that initially fred had sent him off to search too far downstream. He drove up a short ways and said he was sure that his wifes body was somewhere in that area. Justin thought that was odd. Reporter was it possible that fred was disoriented . Its kind of a tough area to navigate. Its possible. Reporter yet sheriff bruce said he too got a strange vibe from fred the night leslie died, and again the next day, when they went back up to Cottonwood Creek. His emotions and his responses to everything seemed to be extremely flat. And i thought almost rehearsed. Reporter is that fair, though . With everyone being different in this world and everyone reacting differently to tragedy, is it fair for you to judge him based on how you think he should be acting . I dont know if its fair. But in my business its realistic. Because you have to look at all angles of an event and make sure that youre uncovering everything thats there. Reporter on a ledge near where fred said leslie fell, investigators found freds camera and the photos of leslies last moments alive. As he stared at leslie, the vibrant wife and mother, sheriff bruces gut told him keep looking. The vibes were all wrong. All the alarm bells were going off. Even to this day, it a little bit gives me the chills. Coming up vibes are one thing. But investigators thought they also had evidence that fred wasnt telling the truth. He told me she fell 20 feet. Where was the trauma . Where were the injuries . Why did i not see what i expected to see . There were no broken bones. Any substantial abrasions or contusions. What really happened to leslie that day . When dateline continues. Honey honey . New nyquil severe honey is maximum strength cold and flu medicine with soothing honeylicious taste. Nyquil honey. 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A horrible accident. But to local law enforcement, something seemed off. The first trained rescuer on the scene noticed it first. What appeared to be a major inconsistency in that story. After such a treacherous fall, leslies body, when pulled from the creek, didnt look at all injured. He told me she fell 20 feet. Where was the trauma . Where were the injuries . Why did i not see what i expected to see . Reporter one look at that drop off, and sheriff bruce was wondering the same thing. And when the autopsy report came back, it only heightened his suspicions. There were no broken bones, any substantial abrasions or contusions. They simply werent there. Reporter every accident is different. Every fall is different. Is it possible that she just fell in a certain way that just didnt produce those injuries you were looking for . No. If she landed head first, as he told us she landed, she would have had head injuries, facial fractures, spinal trauma. None of that was present. Reporter so sheriff bruce made a quick conclusion. To him, no injuries meant no fall. Fred had to be lying. What you see here, andrea, this is reporter we went back to Cottonwood Creek with the sheriff in may 2014. Thats the same month leslie died. We got a late snowstorm this year. Reporter a spring storm had just blanketed the woods and rocks. I have to say, im honestly nervous just standing here. Its reporter this is very steep. Thats a sheer dropoff. Reporter it was up here where they had posed for pictures that sheriff bruce showed me what he thought were key pieces to their puzzle. The evidence here at the scene makes us believe that something entirely different happened. Reporter they found trampled bushes, what they thought looked like scuff marks, and a pair of broken glasses that turned out to be freds. There was evidence of a struggle in there. And thats where freds mangled glasses were found. Reporter sheriff bruce formed a theory that after snapping those photos, fred and leslie got into a physical fight. We think that at that point, i think anyway, that she was able to break free of his grasp at that point. And she ran back this way and down, paralleling this path that goes down, eventually meets up with this stream. Reporter you think he chased after her . I think he paralleled her down that road till he got to the point where he could easily intercept her as shes going down by the stream. Reporter if your theory is right, that is almost like she was being hunted. Its almost like a hare and a wolf. Reporter and according to bruces theory, fred chased his wife right into the shallow pool where she was found. Thats where he held her underwater and drowned her. And then placed her right by the submerged log. Reporter but bruce admits investigators lacked some evidence to back up that scenario. What about footprints . There were no footprints in the mud or no. And by that time, wed had investigators in here, and itd been tracked up pretty good. Reporter so the evidence was ruined essentially. Yeah. Reporter if there was evidence . Right. Reporter the sheriff and agents from the Colorado Bureau of investigation, the cbi, worked together, investigating what they now thought was a homicide. They went down to where the muellers lived in wall, texas, to poke around in freds life, but they couldnt find anyone to say anything bad about him. We found that the interviews were largely unproductive. Reporter so you were hitting walls . In wall, texas, which is an outlying community outside of san angelo. Its a pretty closed community. Reporter and inside that Community None of leslies friends or family doubted fred and couldnt understand why folks up in colorado were asking questions. Yeah, people loved dad. Thats why he had immense amount of support. Reporter and then, ten months after leslies death, fred mueller got an invitation from the cbi. An agent wanted fred to come back up to colorado for a talk. He casually mentioned, like, oh yeah, im going back to colorado. They wanted me back up there. Hes just saying, like, you know, i dont know what theyre doing, either. But its just we got to cooperate. Theyre doing their job. Lets just get past it so we can move on. I just wanted to first, fred, thank you for coming. Youre welcome. Reporter again he shared his recollections about that day at the Vacation Home. It was a Beautiful Day and it went to hell. There are so many things i wish i had done differently. Reporter and again described what happened to leslie after she posed for that last photo. She was flailing in the air, screaming. And i was screaming. And she hit and never made another peep. Reporter if freds account of the accident was the same, the tone of this interview was different. The cbi agent made it clear they didnt believe his story. And, you know, i want to take this opportunity to ask you everything thats making me think that this may not have been an accident. Ask me anything you want. Reporter they questioned fred about those broken glasses found at the scene. Im just going to say it. Im thinking you two had an argument by this bush. No, maam. No, maam. My wife and i did not have an argument anywhere that day. Because you that was the best day of our lives until that accident. Reporter the best day of their lives . The agent clearly suspected there had been trouble in the muellers marriage. A suggestion fred coolly dismissed. I can see after 27 years the two of you grow apart. No. I think we made a hell of a good pair. And you dont know quite how to deal with that. Or. Or. Or . One could say that after the 27 years we were looking forward to retirement. Reporter and fred insisted that on the day she died he found her more attractive than ever. She was beautiful, and she knew that. And i would tell her that. She became more beautiful from being already beautiful in my eyes, became more beautiful as she became older. And we had a very thats probably none of your business. We had a very active sex life and we got along great. And if yall did a good autopsy you would know that. You would know that. What are you trying to tell me . That we made love that morning. Reporter but even as the seemingly confident fred grew clearly irritated, the agent wasnt deterred. What about those scratches on his face the day leslie died . So these vertical scratches youre saying you got from bushes . Bushes or that ground or running down this hill. Falling a few times, which i did fall, but it had to have been from some of that. Theres no other explanation. Okay, well then thats factual. There was no altercation up there . No, maam. No, maam. Because it looks check underneath her fingernails if you think theres something underneath her nails thats missing off my face. It didnt happen. There was no altercation. Write it down. None. Reporter for now it seemed that was all the agents could do, document freds story and let him leave. Im sorry to be a crude open book. Time is 11 23. I am turning off the recording. Reporter investigators had their theories, but did they have a case . Fred went home to texas, where his family thought would be the end of it. His entire philosophy through all of this was it was an accident, im telling the truth. And he wanted to cooperate. He wanted to help them see that. Reporter but investigators hadnt seen that. Not at all. And if fred couldnt answer their questions, theyd head back to Cottonwood Creek and hope that the water could. Coming up fred has always said that water carried leslie away, to here, where her body was found. Now investigators put that story to the test. We had to go back and try to duplicate the water flow as it was on the evening of the event. 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We didnt hear from them for three years after that. And so i thought that i just thought it was done. Yeah, we didnt i guess they finished up their crossed their paperwork or whatever they needed to do. Ts and and that it was over. Reporter it wasnt over. I am an open book. Reporter in fact, after freds interview with the cbi, investigators kept working. What drove them was their theory about a possible struggle, and that curious lack of injuries on leslies body. But the sheriff knew they needed more, and he put that last photo of leslie behind his desk. She was my constant reminder. And that photo was what what was the nudge that kept me going on this case. Reporter investigators decided to zero in on one aspect of freds story. Was it really possible for leslies body to float from where he said she fell to where she was found, 150 feet and three waterfalls downstream . When we brought in the really topnotch water flow experts, we had to go back and try to duplicate the water flow as it was on the evening of the event. Reporter in august 2009, 15 months after leslie died, investigators headed up to Cottonwood Creek to conduct some tests. They dressed a woman around leslies size in similar clothing to what she wore the day she died. And positioned the female standin on the rock ledge, where fred said leslie landed before sliding into the water. The forensic people tried to float her from that location, where he alleged that she fell. The water did barely barely touched her body. Reporter so investigators put her in the water to see what would happen. She was then moved into the very center of that stream and it wouldnt budge her. Reporter finally, they went down to the pool where leslie was found. They then put her in a wetsuit, which gives her buoyancy. Reporter she was able to float. But unassisted, she had a hard time making it all the way to the log where leslies body had been pinned. This meant Something Big to the investigators. So it belied what he told us about this raging torrent tearing her away from his view. Reporter they tried it all again with a mannequin, and again, what they saw did not match what fred recalled. In the deeper pools, the mannequin sank and it got stuck at the falls. Each time she had to be physically moved over the lip of those waterfalls, the water, the stream would not move her. Reporter did you feel like because this case was hard enough as it was, that this testing had to be just as perfect as it could be . Of course. With no witnesses, were dealing strictly with circumstantial evidence. And circumstantial evidence is often enough to get you a conviction. But we knew we needed to have a lot of it. Reporter to investigators these tests confirmed their suspicions. To them, freds story of leslies accident was impossible. They said there was no way that her body could have ended up under that log, unless it had been placed there. That the forces of nature would not have put her under there. Reporter but were these tests enough to make a fullfledged criminal case . The first person theyd have to convince was the local district attorney. He was quickly brought on board as to what we were investigating and what our thoughts were. Reporter it turned out to be a hard sell. For whatever reason, we could never pique his interest. He never said no, but he just i didnt find the enthusiasm. Reporter even after those tests, the d. A. Wasnt ready to press charges. Months went by, then a year. Leslies picture was still there right behind sheriff bruces desk, but the investigators werent about to shelve their case. Are there things happening . Are the wheels turning . It was constantly on our radar screen, that there were things yet to be done. But the months did run on. Reporter all this time, fred was a free man in texas. His Business Ventures were moving on. And at home, we were all saying, fred mueller believes he got away with murder. Reporter but sheriff bruce says fred mueller may have underestimated the Hinsdale County Sheriffs Department. I think that was he what he thought. He was going to get some kind of bumbling buffoon to show up. And he was going to walk away on this. Reporter what do you say to someone who says, youre a smalltown sheriff who got tunnel vision, who focused on this rich outsider and just like a dog with a bone would not let go . Well, id say theyre wrong. And ive got thick skin. We did the right thing. Reporter they kept working and testing and poking around, not sure if it would ever amount to anything. As the years moved on, investigators were continuing to build a case against fred. Though his children were unaware their father was under such intense suspicion. They were trying hard to remember the happy moments with their mother and put the colorado tragedy behind them. What became of the cabin that held so many memories for all of you . I think after the accident it wasnt going to be a happy place for us anymore. And so dad decided to sell the place shortly after mom died. Reporter i would imagine that whole areas just kind of bittersweet now. Unfortunately. Its a beautiful area. Its just not for us. Reporter for the mueller children, life seemed to be stabilizing. Mandy was settling in with her husband. Ariel was in college. And alex, a high school student, was dreaming of a career in the navy. But as alex said, his dad was having a harder time of it. He married mom when he was 18 or 19. He depended so much on my mother, and then to all of a sudden be kind of just cast adrift reporter eventually, freds counselors and friends suggested he was ready to meet someone new. He finally started getting back on his feet and started thinking about moving on, and he met wendee. Reporter wendee and fred were introduced through old family friends. She came into a very tough situation. But she also, she brought my dad out of a very dark place. You know, she saved his life, essentially, because he was so depressed. Reporter after two years as a widower, fred married wendee. She was really great and understanding and helped him move forward. Reporter a fresh start, such a long way from freds tough grilling in colorado. He had good reason to think it was all over. There were times where we were real frustrated. When they say the wheels of justice turn slow, we felt like they were turning too slow this time. Reporter all the while, as the years are passing, youre looking at leslies photo in your office every day. Yes, i am. Reporter is that keeping you going, focused . Absolutely. Reporter then, in 2011, two and a half years after leslies death, a new d. A. Took office, and the sheriff lobbied him to take action. We were able to get 30 minutes of his time and say heres what were looking at, heres what we think occurred. He said, lets go. Reporter the d. A. Assembled a team to look into the case. Matthew durkin, a deputy Colorado State attorney general, came on board. He was later joined by ryan brackley, on loan from the Boulder County d. A. What was your First Impression . Very tough case. Reporter they combed though the case file freds statements, leslies autopsy, and all those tests conducted at the creek. This location was a breathtakingly beautiful place in the middle of nowhere. It was the Perfect Place to commit a murder where nobody would see you. Coming up authorities take a close look at the scene. The defendants story did not match up. And for the mueller kids a shock. I was just like, why . And they said, oh, well, we cant tell you that. A new chapter opens. But nothing in this case will go the way anyone thinks. 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A. , and he assembled a team to look into the mysterious death of muellers first wife, leslie. They began to see what the sheriff had suspected from the start. The defendants story did not match up with the landscape, the scene and all of the other evidence that we were that the Colorado Bureau of investigation was able to develop. Reporter at what point did you finally, all of you, say we got enough, lets go get him . I think it was when we felt like we had tested this thing to death. That we had absolutely everything we could possibly put together to take to the jury. Reporter february 6, 2012, just over 3 1 2 years since Leslie Mueller died. A monday, fred was at his office, when a texas ranger showed up with an arrest warrant in hand. Sheriff ron bruce, down from colorado, stood a few feet away. He looked at us almost in shock. And he said, i cant believe you people are taking this serious. Reporter how was that for you to finally make that arrest . It felt great. It felt great. And at that point i said, leslie, were going to make this right. Reporter alex was in school when he was suddenly pulled out of class. You know, there are some Texas Rangers here to talk to me. And i kind of asked, you know, whats going on . Why are you really here . Your fathers been arrested. Reporter did you say anything back to them when they told you . I was like why . And they said oh, well, we cant tell you that. We just have some great proof. And i said, well, it took you four years. What exactly are you doing . They said we just cant tell you that. Did you ever think for one second, well there, must be something, he must have done something for no. Him to be arrested, to be going through this . We never doubted his story. We never doubted. We never thought he would have done anything wrong or anything to hurt mom ever. Thats something that i cant even fathom because he would have never done anything like that. The kids believed the authorities had it in for their dad and trumped up things that werent true, like that their father showed no emotion after their mothers death. He was obviously panicked. He was panicking. He was shaking. He had been crying profusely. Reporter remember, only alex was in colorado at the time, and thinking back, he got angry about the way he and his dad were treated. They separate us, like you would with criminals. Separate myself from my dad, put us in separate vehicles. Reporter to the kids, it all pointed to a rush to judgment that turned into an obsession. If you go into it looking for trouble, youre going to find it. We were also as a family never informed what they were doing at Cottonwood Creek, that they were paying for experts, doing all kinds of we didnt know what was going on. Tests on the water and all these Different Things like that. But this was all like a closely guarded secret that they never felt they should share with either him or the family of the victim, of my mother. Reporter fred mueller spent the next year in jail in gunnison, colorado, awaiting trial. He sunk into such a deep depression right after mom died, and he kind of sank back into it while he was sitting in jail. And no one could get to him. It was more the fact that and we couldnt help. He was completely cut off isolated. From his family for a year. Reporter the kids were eager for their dad to take on his accusers. Attorney roger sagal was part of freds legal team. After reading through the discovery and the evidence, what were your first thoughts . Why was this guy arrested for murder was my first thought. It was a question from the very beginning as to what evidence did they really have . Reporter hed soon find out in court. More than four years after leslie drowned in Cottonwood Creek, fred mueller would stand trial for murder. Coming up. The prosecution challenges freds entire story including, stunningly, the one thing that never seemed in doubt. His rock solid marriage. Fred was telling people that in fact the marriage had gone stale and that he did have a wandering eye. When dateline continues. Ahoy gotcha nooooo noooooo quick, the quicker picker upper bounty picks up messes quicker and is 2x more absorbent, so you can use less. Bounty, the quicker picker upper. Every minute. Understanding how to talk to your doctor about Treatment Options is key. Today, we are redefining how we do things. We find new ways of speaking, so youre never out of touch. Its seeing someones face that comforts us, no matter where. When those around us know us, they can show us just how much they care. The first steps of checking in, the smallest moments can end up being everything. Theres resources that can inform us, and that spark can make a difference. When we use it to improve things, then that change can last within us. 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Reporter as the trial got underway that frigid january 2013, inside the courtroom the prosecution felt an icy chill. Normally when you walk into a courtroom during a murder trial, its very divided. I walked into that courtroom and everybody was on freds side. Leslies family included. Was that daunting to you at all . I wouldnt say daunting. It was certainly unique. But we had to stay focused on what we thought what we needed to do. We believed that the defendant was responsible for his wifes murder. Reporter it would all come down to two competing versions of what happened here. Freds story leslie accidentally went over this cliff and was swept away by the current. Or the prosecutions that fred was lying to cover up leslies murder. Two people went on a hike, and only one person came back. Reporter the prosecution began its case with testimony about freds behavior that day. They called jennifer sparks, whose house fred drove to looking for help. Did you observe him become emotional at any time . No. Reporter she told the jury freds lack of emotion concerned her. What conversation did you have with your husband at that time . I told him somethings not right, be careful. Reporter her husband, justin, testified that freds demeanor seemed staged as they drove together to look for leslie. It sounded like somebody was crying, but there were no there were no tears. He acted like he was very upset and then a few seconds later, hed act like we were kind of buddies driving down the road in a car. Reporter the prosecution had hoped to bring the jury up to Cottonwood Creek. But in january the terrain was virtually impassible with snow and ice, so it was up to the prosecutors to set the scene and show why they thought freds story defied common sense and science. Injuries are going to tell you a story that Leslie Mueller was drowned by her husband. Reporter prosecutors called Michael Golob, the first trained rescuer on the scene. Im asking him what happened, tell me how, what happened. And he relates that she apparently had fallen off a waterfall. Reporter fred told golob the same thing hed told investigators. Hed watched leslie swandive off the cliff, hitting granite, before sliding into the water. All of a sudden i was struck with the fact that this didnt there was no trauma. Did you see any blood on Leslie Mueller . There was no deformities. There was no blood. Reporter even leslies clothing seemed unscathed. Did you notice any markings, tears, scrapes on the jacket . On the coat . There was none. It was remarkably pristine. Reporter the pathologist who performed leslies autopsy was also surprised by the lack of injuries to her body. Did you observe any injuries to mrs. Mueller that were consistent with breaking a fall . No, i did not. Did you observe any consistent with falling on her head and shoulders off a cliff onto granite as described to you . No. Reporter and whats more, investigators found no forensic evidence that leslie ever hit that rock. There was no fibers on this rock. There was no blood on this rock. There was no hair on this rock. Reporter this is a very unique case in the sense that the evidence is lack of evidence. Theres no evidence. Thats the tough part of the case. What we have is a lot of evidence that what the defendant said is impossible. Reporter and here was the heart of the prosecutions case, those tests investigators conducted up at the creek, tests they said proved freds story was a lie. They showed the jury the video of those tests, pointing out, in one, how the female standin wasnt swept downstream and in another the mannequin wasnt washed over the waterfall and eventually sank to the bottom. Are you seeing any sliding of the mannequin into the water . No. Any washing or oozing . No. Reporter the prosecutions drowning expert was blunt. To her, freds story was pure fiction. The water, theres nothing in that environment waterwise that could have gotten her to that spot. A human being had to physically put a body in that position. Reporter so what really happened . In court, the prosecution could only hint at the dramatic story the sheriff told us. His theory of a struggle, a chase, and a drowning. Well, there were no witnesses for any of that, so it never actually was presented as evidence. But an investigator who searched the area where fred said lesley fell did testify about finding freds broken glasses. This side was broken. The lefthand side was sticking in the dirt. Did you see anything on the ground . Four foot from the glasses there were what appeared to be scuff marks, as if somebody had slipped and had moved the dirt. Reporter and on the stand this witness, the coroner those are the gloves that leslie was wearing. Reporter tried to connect those scratches on freds face to the plastic bumps, or nubbins on leslies gloves. To me those plastic nubbins are a lot more consistent with the scratch marks on mr. Muellers face than branches and twigs. Reporter however, after a defense objection, the judge ruled the coroners statement conjecture and told the jury to disregard it. So even though the prosecutors were not allowed to tell the jury how they thought the murder happened, they still had a theory to present for the why. They were high school sweethearts. He had never abused her, to anyones knowledge. He had no Life Insurance policy out on her that he was trying to collect. What is the motive . Fred was telling people, one being an employee of his, another being a close friend, that in fact the marriage had grown stale. That it was the same old same old between he and leslie, and that he did have a wandering eye. Reporter and according to the prosecution, his eye had wandered here. We were very good friends. Reporter Jeannie Barnes, freds former assistant, testified that fred called and texted her a lot outside of work. Did that ever make you uncomfortable . A little bit. Reporter and once fred talked to her about leslie and divorce. He had just kind of mentioned that their interests had kind of grown apart. Reporter so, according to the prosecution team, fred picked an idyllic spot in the middle of nowhere to find a way out of his marriage, and then concocted the story of her fall as a cover. Two people went up, one came back. And weve only got his story. And we know that story is false, through and through. The defendant has asked people to believe what is impossible. Impossible reporter but freds lawyers were about to turn the states case on its head. Those tests at Cottonwood Creek, in fact any socalled evidence of murder, just didnt hold water at all. Coming up defense experts tell the jury that the way leslie died is absolutely clear. What was it in my opinion . Accident. 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The worst day of your life, imagine that being analyzed by a roomful of people and drug out publicly and scrutinized. Your personal, private tragedy being exposed to the world and picked apart. Reporter to the siblings, each day in court felt like an unrelenting attack against their family and their father. You cant react. You cant say anything. You just have to sit there and take it and watch them say all these horrible accusations about my dad. Youre looking for one person to stand up and say, like, this is preposterous. This entire there is no evidence. Hes a good guy. Hes never shown any history of violence. And, you know, and it was his wife, for goodness sake, and can we just were stopping this. Reporter now freds lawyers were ready to push back. Defense cocounsel mike deguerrin told the jurors there was an obvious rush to judgment that contaminated the entire investigation. Kind of an evil suspicion from the getgo. Reporter firstresponder Michael Golob testified that neighbor justin sparks started making accusatory comments while they were still trying to revive leslie. Justin at one point turned to me and said something along the lines of i never trusted that s. O. B. I think that the suspicions started with mr. Sparks and never stopped. Reporter you think it was somewhat of a snowball effect. Yeah, i do. Reporter and even though golub was a prosecution witness, he admitted he personally didnt find anything odd about freds behavior that day. He just kind of seemed to have trouble focusing, he seemed panicked. Everyone deals with tragedy different. I felt in the context it seemed appropriate. Reporter but what about that important evidence against fred, the apparent lack of injuries on leslies body . Did you wonder at all why your mom didnt have more injuries, as some people feel she should . I dont. No. No, you cant say what people are supposed to she was bundled up. She was in cold water. Weve thought about this more than anyone should ever think about what their body mothers body did after she died. Reporter the defense called its own forensic expert veteran pathologist werner spitz. He testified there were some injuries. Bruising on her hand, and an apparent small Skull Fracture that no one else had highlighted. If you look carefully at this, you will see that there is an area here that is not like it should be. Reporter after looking at the medical examiners report and leslies xrays, dr. Spitz said there was no evidence this was a homicide. What was it in my opinion . Accident. Thats what i would have put on the death certificate. Reporter a veteran emergency room doctor backed up spitzs conclusion, saying not all falls are catastrophic. I dont see how you could rule out a fall from any of the circumstances or injuries that ive seen. Reporter and then it was time to counter all those prosecution water tests, the backbone of the states case. The defense saw major problems with those tests and called its own water expert, a hydrologist whod been measuring current flows for 40 years. Increase of stream flow and as a general rule that increase comes in the Late Afternoon and evening. Reporter the defense expert pointed out that water in the mountains changes constantly, and in 2008, the year leslie died, there was more snow melt than usual. Was 2008 a highwater year . It was a tremendously highwater year. Reporter those prosecution tests were done more than a year later, and in a different season, not spring but summer, when the creeks water level is usually lower. The flows on august 4th and 5th, 09, were less than the stream flows on may 3rd and may 4th, 08. Reporter all that socalled evidence that proved freds story was impossible . The defense said it was useless. The testing that you do in 2009 is not necessarily going to be reflective of what did or did not happen in 2008. The bottoms of the creek changes, the walls of the creek can change, theres erosion upcreek, and you can see it the more times you go up there. You can see, every time it seemed a little bit different. Reporter and the defense attacked the states expert for what it said was another flaw with the mannequin test. You did not start that test with the mannequin falling from the ledge, right . Absolutely not. And therefore your testing did not account for any Kinetic Energy that would have been initiated from the fall, correct . Thats correct. Reporter and what about freds story . A jumpy dog distracted by a blue jay and a swan dive toward the rocky water . The defense said it was the truth, and not at all farfetched. It is steep and angular and theres ice on the rocks. Its slippery. So it seemed perfectly plausible that she had fallen and floated. Reporter the defense brought in a canine behavior expert who analyzed that last photo of leslie and said the young Border Collie looked spooked and ready to bolt. The dog is under stress. The dog is pushing back. Hes pushing back from mrs. Mueller. Shes trying to control him with the ear pinch and the dog is looking totally off in another direction. Reporter to the defense, it was clear. Freds story was entirely plausible, and the prosecutions was not. Why would he do this . Why would a guy who was married 27 years with no history of violence, no history of any sort of domestic disputes, all of a sudden decide on his vacation that he was going to murder his wife with his bare hands . I mean it just seems, that part of the case seems so farfetched. Reporter friend after friend arrived from texas to support fred. Even his inlaws took the stand. Leslies own mother, ginnie, vouched for her former soninlaws character. All those years any signs of fred being abusive or violent to leslie . No, i never saw a sign of fred being violent to anyone. Reporter and each of freds children also faced the jury to tell them about their parents long and happy marriage. Ariel described one nightly routine. Mom and dad would walk to the pond that was in front of our house about 200 yards, holding hands, and theyd be out there 30 minutes or an hour while the sun would be setting. Reporter amanda recalled how devastated her father was in the wake of her mothers death. I know he wasnt sleeping well. He would stay in bed a lot during the day. He cried all the time. Reporter and alexs testimony brought out an emotional response from fred in court. Did you ever see your dad able to get over it . No. Im looking at him right now and hes not over it. Reporter but what about freds former assistant, the woman whod given prosecutors a semblance of motive . In fact, during crossexamination, the assistant said fred and his wife showed affection for each other all the time. If he was at his desk, she would come in, shed go straight to his desk, shed give him a kiss and she would go back to her desk in the back. The absolute bottom line is there was no affair with Jeannie Barnes and fred did not kill his wife and he certainly did not kill his wife for Jeannie Barnes. Reporter the defense was sure it had shown the jury who fred really was. The people who knew him best said no way in the world could he have killed his wife. But now it was up to 12 people who didnt know fred at all to decide whether he did. Coming up waiting for a verdict. The longer it took the more we were getting nervous. And then a bombshell. I was almost in tears. When dateline continues. Dad guess what i found something under the porch . Yup ugh. Even when i dont know how she got the stains, i know tide hygienic clean can get them out. It gets between fibers to remove visible and invisible dirt. If its got to be clean, its got to be tide. Every minute. 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We were going through the process. And then ill admit a little, i questioned why it was taking so long. Because i thought we had it wasnt a slam dunk, but i thought we had a solid case. Reporter at the courthouse, the jury was still out three days, no decision. The longer it took the more we were getting nervous. Because it seems so clearcut. It seemed obvious to us. Reporter it was the fourth day of deliberations when the jurors sent out a note. Everyone gathered in the courtroom to hear what they had to say. We are at an impasse. Reporter the judge offered them lunch and asked for one more try. Freds future was in their hands. Please rise for the jury. Reporter ten minutes later theyd passed on the free food and were back. Ladies and gentlemen, i do have another note from you folks and it indicates that we are deadlocked. Reporter hopelessly so. The judge had no real choice. He declared a mistrial. It was extremely disappointing. Very disappointing. Extremely disappointing because it was not the answer that we thought we deserved, that we did deserve. Mostly i felt for fred, you know, ultimately its his life thats on trial, and so i felt sad for him that we couldnt get this resolved for him in the form of an acquittal. Reporter in fact, the defense had been very close. 11 of the 12 jurors voted not guilty. When i heard the jury vote, i was almost in tears, and i thought, how did they miss what we were trying to say . Reporter after the mistrial, the defense argued for his release on bond and the judge granted it. I just i cant wait to be able to give him a hug and just talk to him whenever i want. Reporter now, one full year after losing his freedom, fred was going to get out of jail. His daughters and new wife, wendee, gathered to embrace him. Son alex, who was traveling, called in for an update. Were all at the jail right now just waiting for your dad. Its alex. We hadnt given him a hug in a year. We havent been able to see him in person in a year. Yay. I love you guys. It was so wonderful to get that hug that we had waited for. Reporter do you remember what you said to him . I love you. I love you. Lets go home. Whens the next flight out . Come on, lets go home. It was so emotional. We were all so excited. We finally got to take dad home. Reporter home to texas, but for how long . Fred was only out on bond. He still was charged with murder and had the threat of a retrial hanging over his head. We were extremely hopeful that they could change their minds and decide not to go forward again. And we were really hoping for that. Reporter more than just hoping. In fact, the family actually met with prosecutors and lobbied against another trial. Did that weigh into whether to go to a second trial at all, the fact that this entire family, leslies family included, did not want a trial . Absolutely. We have to consider their position. We have to consider where theyre coming from. Reporter then one part of the decision was made for them. The judge threw out the most serious charge, firstdegree murder. Why . The judge ruled prosecutors didnt have enough evidence to establish premeditation. We did manage to get an acquittal on the firstdegree murder charge. Reporter prosecutors could still move ahead with seconddegree murder, but would they . That 11 to 1 vote surely made a retrial daunting. 11 to 1 is not a great outcome for the prosecutions perspective. Reporter but the prosecutors spoke to some of those jurors and found out to many of them not guilty didnt mean innocent. And kind of behind those numbers were a group of people who by and large felt that something had happened here, that fred mueller was not telling the truth. Reporter prosecutors weighed it all and made their decision. Fred would stand trial for murder again. I remember having a moment thinking, i cant do this again. And my mom always would be like, well, youre going to do it. And i felt like she was like, youre going to be fine and its going to be good. Reporter your mom was kind of guiding you through in your head. Yeah. She was always kind of, suck it up. You can do it. Reporter but the second trial would by no means be a carbon copy of the first. With new attorneys and new witnesses, both sides hoped that this time theyd see a different result. Coming up the defense comes out swinging. What the prosecution asks you to believe is that fred mueller went from this to a homicidal maniac within seconds. But then a defense witness says something that might do fred more harm than good. Fred is very successful. He could sell anything. Would jurors think fred had sold everyone a lie about what happened to leslie . When dateline continues. Severe rheumatoid arthritis. And take. It. On. With rinvoq. Rinvoq a oncedaily pill. Can dramatically improve symptoms. Rinvoq helps tame pain, stiffness, swelling. And for some. Rinvoq can even significantly reduce ra fatigue. 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Reporter the witnesses to that awful day again came forward. Neighbor jennifer sparks again told how she thought fred was acting strangely when he pulled up to her house. And she added this new detail he was petting my dog. And he was squatted down petting that dog . Yeah, the dog was right here and he was just petting the dog. She felt that the defendants demeanor was oddly calm. And that he bent down and petted the dog. She felt like his demeanor was misplaced. Reporter for the prosecution, this trial was a Second Chance to explain to the jury how freds story didnt match up with the landscape. This area was not vast. It wasnt huge. It was actually quite tight and it was actually quite small. And making the defendants statement impossible. Our primary goal in the second trial was to get that jury to the scene. Reporter the judge considered a visit to Cottonwood Creek but ruled it was too expensive and impractical to bring the jury that far. Not being able to do that, we did our best in the second trial to bring the scene to the jury. Reporter this second jury had a new 3d model of Cottonwood Creek to examine and fresh testimony to consider. That apparent small Skull Fracture of leslies that the defense highlighted in the first trial . No way, said the states new witness, who was an expert in reading xrays. Could you determine that there was any evidence of a fall from 20 feet onto a hard granite surface . I didnt see any evidence of that kind of trauma. I didnt see any other fractures. Reporter prosecutors hammered home their key points leslie had no injuries from a fall and tests showed she could not have floated downstream, as fred said she did. It just doesnt seem as a likely scenario. Reporter so they argued fred must have drowned her right where she was found, right after a violent struggle. It was our intention to streamline the second trial as much as possible and focus in on the critical points of the case. Reporter but fred mueller also changed things up in this trial. He hired a new powerhouse attorney, pamela mackey, who had a roster of highprofile clients, like kobe bryant. What the prosecution asks you to believe is that fred mueller went from this to a homicidal maniac within seconds. Reporter freds new lawyer argued that the states case was beyond flimsy. Their theory that because Leslie Mueller did not suffer any significant injuries in her fall from the ledge, fred mueller must have drowned her. Thats their case. They wont give you the why of that theory. They wont give you the how. Reporter the defense again criticized the prosecutions recreations and told this jury there was no way anyone could know for sure what the water flow and depth were on the day leslie died. If someone measured the actual stream flow of Cottonwood Creek within days or a week of the incident it would have been informative. Reporter and several new defense witnesses took the stand. There was a biomechanical engineer whod examined the mannequin used in this test. Well, frankly, i mean, its not even right to call it testing. Reporter according to the defenses new expert, the states test had a big flaw. That dummy couldnt sink or float in water the same way a human does. In fact, it wasnt even designed for this sort of experiment. As far as buoyancy is concerned, it is not a scientific instrument for determining that, so its the wrong tool for scientifically probing. Reporter and this time the defense brought in a memory expert to explain away possible holes in freds story. The expert said extremely stressful situations can play tricks with memories. So maybe fred didnt actually see leslie fall on her head, as he said he did. False memories happen to us all the time. Its not a lie. Its just a memory that happens to be incorrect. Reporter but no expert could help the jurors understand how fred truly felt about his wife of almost 27 years. To wrap up their case, the defense brought up freds family to talk about how happy the muellers had been. Did you observe anything that led you to believe that your folks were having difficulty in their marriage . No, never. Reporter leslies mother, ginnie, again defended fred. Ive always had a Good Relationship with fred. Reporter but the prosecutions ears perked up when she offered a new detail about her soninlaw. Yeah, fred is very successful. He could sell anything. Hes a wonderful salesman. Reporter in final statements, the prosecutor used those words against fred. What we learned about the defendant yesterday is that he can sell anything. But he cant sell you the impossible. From our perspective, thats what he tried to do. Is that he tried to sell the emergency responders, c. B. I. , the Sheriffs Office and, quite frankly, these juries, tried to sell something a story that was just simply impossible. Reporter could this jury rise to the challenge and once and for all make sense of what happened at Cottonwood Creek . Coming up jurors get the case. Either you believe crazy story a, that she fell off that cliff and three waterfalls, or you believe crazy story b, that fred, who has no history of violence, killed his wife. Both stories are crazy. Which one do you want to go with . When dateline continues. E. Understanding how to talk to your doctor about Treatment Options is key. Today, we are redefining how we do things. We find new ways of speaking, so youre never out of touch. Its seeing someones face that comforts us, no matter where. When those around us know us, they can show us just how much they care. The first steps of checking in, the smallest moments can end up being everything. Theres resources that can inform us, and that spark can make a difference. When we use it to improve things, then that change can last within us. 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Reporter we spoke to 7 of the 12 jurors. Either you believe crazy story a, that she fell off that cliff and down three waterfalls, or you believe crazy story b, that fred who has no history of violence killed his wife. Both stories are crazy. Which one do you want to go with . Reporter what were the key pieces of evidence for you or the lack thereof . Lack of injuries. Reporter you felt that she should have had more injuries . Absolutely. I mean, to fall 15 to 20 feet onto a granite platform. Face first. And to go down headfirst. Down three waterfalls and be pulled out and be described as pristine . Reporter show of hands of who believed freds story. We did take at one point in time we all said i kind of lets vote and see who thinks hes lying. And we all raised our hands. Okay, we convicted him of lying. The question beyond that was my question is, if we dont believe his story, does that make him guilty . He is not on trial for lying. Hes on trial for murder. And i need to know how and why. Reporter the jurors wondered where was the evidence that fred drowned her . If he really did kill her, prosecutors never provided any clear explanation of how he did it. There was no evidence to put him down at the recovery site. There were no footprints in the snow. And there was no defensive wounds on her. If there was a scuffle, i would think she would have she would have fought back. Some bruises. She would have fought back. Reporter they pored over technical testimony about water in the creek. To them that flood of data and expert testimony was a complete wash. You can bring all the experts in and all the water tests, and it was just pointless because theyll always poke a hole in it because it wasnt done may 3rd, 2008. Reporter like the jury before them, this groups first day of deliberations ended without a verdict. As the deliberations took longer and longer, it became clear that we needed to be nervous again. Reporter while sheriff bruce felt more confident than ever this time around. I slept well. I ate well. I went about the rest of my normal duties at work here without a whole lot of concern about it and just expected that phone call to come in and say, we got him. Reporter the 12 jurors returned the next morning, determined to make a fresh start. Was anyone here consistently thinking about leslie, the mother, the wife, the doctor . We had little pictures up and everything. And i made the comment, like, leslie, talk to me, say something. Because she cant speak. Right. She needed us. Reporter after two days of intense debate, the 12 jurors thought they were done. They sent out a note and the judge called everyone into the courtroom. Ladies and gentlemen, you have sent me a final note indicating that you do not believe that you can reach a verdict. Mr. Foreperson, is that correct . That is correct, your honor. Okay. I am going to declare the jury deadlocked in this case. Reporter hopelessly deadlocked, a second jury unable to say for sure if fred mueller had killed his wife or not. When you hear those two words again, hung jury. Its crushing. Absolutely crushing. Reporter disappointment again on both sides. Do you ever look back and think, you know what . Maybe we shouldnt have done this. It wasnt there from the beginning. Absolutely not. No. Both these trials were worthy of prosecution. A woman was murdered and both the efforts were more than worth it. Reporter so how close was the jurys vote this time . Eight jurors believed fred was guilty and four voted to acquit. I have too many questions that are unanswered. Therefore, i have reasonable doubt. We just couldnt come to agreement, you know. I was steadfast guilty and he was steadfast not guilty. And we tried to get everybodys impression of what happened or what they thought. Reporter the prosecutors wondered, could one decision by the judge have changed it all . To this day i believe that had either one of these juries been able to go to that scene, perhaps it would have been a different result. Reporter and then, three weeks after the second mistrial, an announcement. The state dropped all charges against fred mueller. When we finally got the news, it was like overwhelming with joy. We finally can rest at ease. And my dad can move on with his life. And we can finally just move on and relax. Reporter fred and his wife wendee have returned to texas, where fred still runs his thriving business. In colorado the case officially remains open. Without any further investigation, without any further witnesses that could come forward to provide some new bit of evidence, at this point the case is just simply remains open. Reporter so fred will essentially have this hanging over his head potentially forever . At this point the case remains open. Reporter fred told us hes well aware of this legal limbo. He said he wanted to do an interview with dateline but is concerned that anything he says could be distorted by the prosecutors and investigators who still believe he did something wrong. Leslie got to me. Reporter and that picture of leslie was prominently displayed in sheriff ron bruces office. Until he retired in early 2019. He says the photo is still with him. I think it was just the magnitude of the terrible tragedy that stuck with me and will stay with me the rest of my life. Reporter you get tearyeyed when you talk about this woman youve never even met. Correct. Reporter whos not even a member of your family. Yeah, i do. Reporter what is this connection you feel with her . I dont have an explanation for this. I cant put a finger on it. But certainly, it does truly haunt me, yeah. I feel like i let her down. Reporter leslies family chooses to remember her vividly not as a victim, but as a cherished wife and mother they lost too soon. We dont want people to forget about how wonderful of a person she was before the accident and all the great things that she did. All the babies she delivered. Lives she saved. Just a great, great person. Reporter with the Vacation Home the muellers once loved long sold, they are making new memories as a family far from colorado. And in those magnificent rockies . Seasons change, waters rise and fall, and some believe the secrets of Cottonwood Creek will remain a mystery forever. This sunday, what kind of president will joe biden be . Faith in our institutions held, the integrity of our elections remains intact. We take a look at what joe biden has said through the years and on the campaign trail, on foreign policy. Someone said to me in another interview, do you want to own afghanistan . I said, no, but weve got to rent it for a little while here. Domestic policy. Weve always moved forward as a nation when the middle class grows. 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