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Computer trail. Emails, Text Messages, so active on social media. Nobody can locator. She did not want to be found. Exactly. A mom turned ghost. Was she missing . Or hiding . I wanted to know. Taunts, threats, violence my leg is soaked with blood. Oh, jesus. A deadly mystery that would lead three moms and one man. You were the last one to see her . It was as if i had already done something, and he already knew it. He was a drilling me with the ironies. It was almost an obsession to get it solved. A heart stopping case of jealousy, secret identity, and murder. It is like, they are on edge. Whats gonna happen next . It was dark when they started searching, dark and cold. The 5th of december, 2015, just across the Night Black Mystery from omaha, back and forth when the chopper, as a proud the park, Big Lake Park, iowa, looking for shooter. 911. Whats the address of your emergency . I have been shot in the leg. Looking for whoever shot her, the woman who had come out here alone to clear her mind, get that nemesis out of her head. And instead, was bleeding through a hole shot clean through her fire. Is there any serious bleeding . My pant leg is soaked with blood. Oh, jesus. Oh, she knew who did it, she said. As they catch up her wounded leg, she knew all too well how deadly that crazy woman had been. So, she gets to shoot somebody, and then, she gets to kill another person. And then, she gets to move in with a day. And she gets to be free. And you guys are not arresting her. She . Who was she . That furious womans scorned. And what horrors was she capable of eliminator rivals, to win, or punish . The one man she is so desperately wanted, the man who didnt want her. It began, as these things often do, on and innocent and ordinary day in omaha, nebraska, three years earlier. The fall of 2012. I am working. Im behind the counter. Doing ten things. It happened in an Auto Repair Shop to a mechanic named dave kroupa. She walks, and i see her, we meet eyes. Just, for a moment, i kind of stopped. I go, well, low. He was working. She wanted her suv repaired. In the back on my mind, i am thinking, wow, she is gorgeous. But, im at work. Im representing the company i work for. That is off the table. Its not a possibility. But did you see the signal coming back . Yeah, i did. Then, a few weeks later, it seemed like faith. Dave went on a dating website, and there she was. Her profile, her picture, her name, cari. He started typing. I said, hey, i know you, ha. And she replied, the same thing. And then before long she came into his shop again. Without saying anything, there was some sparks. Were both looking at each other, trying to say something, and we did. And we exchanged phone numbers. They had dinner. The food didnt matter. And we were very, i would say, controlled with each other. He invited her back to this place and she agreed. And thats when Something Else happened. It didnt seem so important, not then, not like it would later. Just as they walk into the apartment, the doorbell rang. It was daves exgirlfriend, liz, here to pick up some things she left behind in her apartment. Awkward. But cari just laughed, bowed out. She said, i get it. Its not a big deal. Im gonna go home. You can call me when you are done dealing with this mess. So, dave escorted cari to the door. And her endless past each other at that moment, and there were no words spoken. Did start then, at that moment . Later, once listened left his apartment, dave called cari. She invited me out to her place, which was, like an hour drive outside a town. Cari when i got to her place was there for 20 minutes making coffee, bsing. And of course, seen her on the couch, and we are getting a little close, im, like at this point, we havent even kissed. She turns to me and she said, look, if youre gonna have sex, that is all it is. Period. There is nothing more to it. Ha. And she asked me, are you good with that, is there gonna be a problem . And i said, okay, i hit the power ball. Because dave felt exactly the same way. As a man, i want companionship. So i am always looking for a girlfriend. But never committed relationship. And you let them know that this is the way its gonna be . That was the first conversation, yeah, Take It Or Leave it, thats how it is. But with cari he, did not have to bring it up. It was all her. And we hit it off right from there. She told him she was a computer programmer. Her office was close to his apartment. They met there, often, made love, talked. She was extremely intelligent. She was much smarter than i am. Just in general, she just, had a brain on her. Different than the winning had dated before . Yeah, well, for instance, what she did for a living, programming, i considered myself a little bit of a computer nerd, compared to her, i dont know what computer was. Dave we considered his no commitment role. A rule he had broken before. With a woman named amy flora. They had two kids together, but it didnt last. After 12 years, you would think that there would be some kind of a proposal, or something. But like i said, hes kind of emotionless, so you really didnt want to get married . No, and i want to eventually be married. You know, every girl does. Everybody wants their fairytale wedding. Amy and dave state friendly for the sake of their kits. And amy neoabout dates other women. Heard about carrie. You expected you to meet her to some point, if it continues . Yeah, if it continued, i would have liked to meet her. But amy did not meet cari, not then. No idea it was coming. Early that november of 2012, cari told dave she had a big project at work. She would stay over at his place, instead of driving home to the country every night. Until they began their work week together, and then, on tuesday, November 13th i gave her a kiss on her way out to the door. Like, high, see later, honey. I was almost like a, that sort of 50s tv show garbage. That doesnt sound like a guy who has got no attachment. Didnt say, honey, but thats the way it came out. She brought that out of me. Thats why i say, with cari it, is potential, it might have been different with a long term thing. So you are in a pretty good mood . I was in a great mood. I have this beautiful lady was gonna be in my house when i get home. I dont know who wouldnt smile about that . Dave was at his shop by 6 30. And he was entirely unprepared. And then by 10 00, i received a text from her that says, do you want to move in with me . Or should we need to move in together, or something along those lines. Really i texted her back immediately, no, we have known each other for two weeks, its not gonna happen. As soon as i texted her back, i get a text that says, fine, i dont ever want to see you again. Go away. I am dating somebody else. I hate you. On and on and on and on. Weird. Very weird. Very, what is going on here . But i was at work, it was very busy. I didnt have time for that nonsense. So, back in my mind im thinking, phew, i dodged bullet there. Oh, but he didnt. Now, it was just beginning. Coming up who was this woman named carrie . She was about to vanish and a very mysterious way. Where is she . Yeah, i didnt know what to think at that point. When dateline continues. Chevy silverado has what it takes to do it all. With up to 13 camera views. And the z71 offroad package. You ok . Yeah. Any truck can help you make a living. This one helps you build a life. Chevy silverado. Trelegy for copd. Birds flyin high, you know how i feel. Breeze driftin on by. You know how i feel. You dont have to take. [coughing]. Copd sitting down. Its a new dawn,. 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She is the woman from hell now. All of a sudden, yeah. In the course of a couple of hours. Wow. Maybe to dave omaha, thats how it would seem. But an hours drive away, there was quite a different story. Here in this tiny Sweet Farming Town called macedonia, iowa. I think there is only around 250 people that live there now. It is very it is just home. Home to cari. Cari farver, and where she was raised by her stepfather mark, and her mother nancy, who would stick with cari through it all. But of course, they have always known there is Something Different about cari. She felt she wanted to do her own thing, and sometimes that doesnt always go well. It doesnt always go well, yeah. The thing is, cari was smart, supersmart. School was easy. But then, so were boys. Guys were just drawn to her. And she liked it . Yeah, she did. Hello, cari but there was Something Else about cari, said her friend holly drummond. Brady, yes. But she sometimes made dubious choices, like when she was away at college, and there was this guy, or a parade of guys. She would instantly talk about this night, where they were all dressed up, and it was midnight, they were walking in the streets with a bottle of champagne, i mean, she made a sound like, she made it sound like a romantic movie. Didnt last. Even when cari found out she was pregnant. Did it come as a surprise . Yes, yeah. I was just, i knew which was gonna have to go through, because i had been divorced with children, young children. And its hard. Its not easy. She moved home, took computer courses, and she named the baby maxwell. Everyone called him max. She was such a good mother, that i know she had so much on her plate too at that time, going to school and everything else. But she did very well. She held up very well. Except that is, for mood swings, the dreadful depressions. She just would go under the covers and sleep, you know, she just hibernate. She would close herself off from everything. It is hard for a mother to watch her daughter go through that. Yeah, it is. Trying to get it out of her, you know, what can i do . And there is really nothing that i can do or say. But it got better, once cari was diagnosed with bipolar disorder, medication evened things out, and cari and max set it into an apparently happy and successful life. And then, that inexplicable turn. Cari just started that High Tech Job of hers in omaha. She didnt really like that job. Which was she doing . She was computer programming. And then, november 2012, she took on that big project. Max was a teenager then. He understood about her long hours and how she decided to stay in the city for a few days. He didnt ask about the man she was staying with. I didnt know dave at the time. I just had heard of a dave, that was about. Even talk about him . No. , usually, things like that he wouldnt talk about. Dave, thats all her family knew. She wasnt a very good place. She had been for a long time, and i didnt think too much about it. And so, that weekend, nancy picked up max, and later cari drove off to omaha to spend the week with jay. She didnt text me or anything that monday. And then, i started getting Text Messages saying that she quit a job, she was going to kansas to live, and what was it like to get that . It was totally off the wall. That was about the same time dave was getting those angry texts. That, nancy had no idea about that. Anyway, her news came as a big surprise to nancy. Though, to max, maybe not so much. Because she had something down in kansas that she was gonna be going interviewing for, after those few days at work. Hiss mom had mentioned a possible job change. She even discussed with him staying with grandma to finish high school. And then, early that weird week i got a text, saying, hey, i got a second interview. But she would be back from kansas on the weekend, she texted, for a family wedding, at which max was an usher. But as the bride walked down the aisle, no sign of cari. I was, okay, she is running late. She would be at the reception. Shell be there for the party. But at the party, i remember probably, five, ten minutes i was glancing back at the door, just waiting for her. Where is she . Just wondering where she was. I just kept saying, shell be any minute. Shell be or any minute. But not got around. And she wasnt there. I didnt know what to think at that point. Coming up unsettling doubts about caris story. Was she moving . Or was she missing . I got this feeling in my bones. Something wasnt right here. I wasnt sure whats going on. It scared me tremendously. And i thought, ive got to do something. When dateline continues. Ance and i saved hundreds. With the money i saved, i started a dog walking business. Oh. [dog barks] no its just a bunny only pay for what you need. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. 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Instead, cari texted she broke up with her boyfriend. And was thinking about checking into a mental hospital. That is scary. Yes, it scared me tremendously. By boyfriend, did she mean this mysterious death . Do you know how to reach this guy . Do you even know what his last name was . I didnt know what to start looking for. So it was not like . It is hell. Its just frustration and just helplessness. So, before dropping off max at the wedding, she called the county sheriffs office, to file a Missing Persons report. They took down all the information, of course, and they couldnt, they didnt really offer too much. Well, i guess they thought shes a grown woman. She can leave if she wants to leave. Nancy told the deputies about caris struggles with bipolar disorder. And heres what they told her, said nancy. Well, shes probably gone for a medicine, and you, know these things happen. And that happens a lot. Narcy tried calling, but cari just would not pick up. She did respond to text, but sent mixed messages. By moving down with this dave, i had no idea who this dave was. It was confusing did she have some sort of Mental Breakdown . Cari quit her job in omaha, Center Company a text to let them know, and texted her mom but she was taking that job in kansas. And moving away. And has sold her furniture. She attached a photo of a check from the buyer. Cari wanted nancy to let the buyer pick it up out of macedonia, and take it away. I said, absolutely not. I said, either you call me, you come see me, you come see me, im not doing anything before i can see you. That is a nasty text that started coming. But i was a bad mother. That she was gonna leave terry texted max too and let him know. Youre coming with me, you have no choice. On the adult here. And what i say goes. Im just trying to imagine what it was like to be you in the middle of this. It was a bit scary because we all thought that someone might come at school to try and get me. Because the school would legally have to let them let me go with them, like if my mom showed up. Max was scared, had no idea what was going on with his mom. He wanted to stay with his grandparents. I have heard all these Horror Stories about people having these personality changes. And going off the deep and. And i thought, ive got to do something about max. Ive got to keep him safe. Nancy applied for temporary guardianship of max. That must be so weird . Oh. Fraught . Yes. Im just wondering, what am i doing to my daughter, if we were doing this, the lawyer said, now, this is just temporary. She comes back, you can always undo this. I said, okay. Meanwhile, surely the sheriff could find her daughter with some help. She showed them caris texts about the furniture. The Phone Company said they were coming from a location in omaha. Officers went there. No cari. Sergeant jim doty and ryan avis of the Pottawatomie Sheriffs Office who joined the investigation much later, said the next step was to find the women who paid for the furniture. Her name was shanna golyar. We called her. Went to voice mail, which she returned that call the next day. Shanna went by her middle name, liz. And it turned out that was the same Liz Dave Kroupa once dated. She lived in omaha with her two kids. Liz told the cops that somebody stole her checkbook, and she suspected that somebody was the woman she ran into at daves place. Liz took his contact information. She is with, him suddenly, she goes off the rails, and starts doing weird stuff like this. So, you must know something here. Yeah, definitely the person you want to talk to. And by then, the story dave could tell the police, scary. Coming up he was drilling me with the policeman eyes. Police have some questions for dave. She was at your house. You are the last one to see her. 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Maybe as upset as hed ever been. Ever since he told cari that she couldnt move in with him, she had been texting and emailing and saying awful things, and making his life miserable. He tried calling her, but she didnt answer. And then, a little more than a week later, the cops showed up at his Auto Repair Shop. How did you find out they were there . They just showed up . Yeah, there was no warning. The detectives took him outside for top. They told me, do you know cari . I was like, yeah, what . When did you see her last . The morning of . Okay, where is she now . I have no idea. The detectives didnt seem to buy that. He was drilling me with the policeman eyes, the ones that are like, you know, where were you at 6 30 on that morning . Yeah, no, i totally had the feeling she was at your house. You are the last one to see her. And that was how he approached me, it was as if i had already done something, and he already knew it, and its time to deal with it, you know . And i was like, whoa, whoa, slow down. David tried to explain, he said. Hey, man. I dont know where she is at, but i have nothing to do with it. You know, i dont know where shes at. And i dont want to know where she is at that point. I just wanted her to go away. Because dave told detectives, cari would not stop messaging him. He showed him his phone, and was adamant he had not seen her since the morning he left her at his place. Do you think they believed you when you said you didnt know where she was . 100 they believed me. And then, the strangest thing, cari started texting the detective too. I would really appreciate it if you leave dave kroupa out of it. The detective texted cari back. We cant stop looking into it. We need to locate you, and a missing person entry wont be taken out until someone talks to inperson. To where we know you are okay. Did she respond to that . She said it was pointless. She didnt want to be found . Exactly. But the detective got another text. This one seemed ominous. I want one person to go away for destroying everything for me. Who might that person be . The detective had a pretty good idea. Dave showed them texts in which cari blamed liz for their breakup, even though, as he explained, he and liz werent even together, when he met cari. It made sense of that cari must have stolen lizs checkbook, maybe even forged that check for five grand. The detectives called liz right away, and told her she should follow report with the omaha pd. It was their jurisdiction. But before she got the chance, liz went to her garage, and there, sprawled on the wall, she found the words, whore from dave. All of it was so strange, thought detectives. Its pretty hot. Like maybe shed had a breakdown or something, like a psychotic episode. That would be the only answer. To the police in omaha, cari was now a suspected stalker. Back home, in Pottawatomie County, iowa, she was still a missing person, with a very worried family. Caris mother heard about the threatening texts, the harassment, the Police Reports filed against her daughter. To her, it didnt seem like cari at all. And it made her wonder. How serious were the police about finding her daughter . I got a little callous towards the authorities. I was thinking that, i didnt think they were doing what they should have been doing. Do you get the feeling, they just want to get in there and storm the barricades, and make something happen . Yeah. Again, i didnt know how much i can do. I didnt know where to start. Cari had been gone for almost two weeks. Thanksgiving, a day away. Nancy said cari message her on facebook. Ive got a roast in the crock pot, and we will eat about six. We are going to dads for thanksgiving, and eating about noon or one. We love you, cari. Cari didnt respond, and didnt show up for thanksgiving dinner. Less than a month later, nancys ex husband, caris father, died of cancer. Cari didnt come to the funeral. Instead, she sent a message on facebook, i am sorry i missed the funeral just a few days before that, she posted on facebook, david kroupa proposed to me. I said, yes. What in heavens name was going on. Nancy called the detectives who called dave, who swore, no way he was engaged with cari. He said he hadnt even seen her, but still heard from her constantly, a hail of texts and emails that was only getting thicker. I would receive 50 60 a day. A day . Yeah, all day long. At one point, my phone was completely useless. It will just be running so much, i just couldnt answer a phone, or send a text. Like why dont you change your phone number . I did that a couple of times. You did, and it still kept coming . They did. Occasionally, caris texts seemed almost normal. I know i ruined it. I tell myself dont be crazy this guy was nice to you but something takes over. But mostly, the emails and messages were angry texts, about perceived romantic rivals, miss golyar in particular. She is a whore, you shouldnt be with someone like that. I hope we can see each other soon. And then, with a shutter, they realized cari did see him. She seemed to be watching this every moment. It was very traumatizing for me to get messages, emails, to say, i see you through your window. You are doing this. Id go, i am doing this. Okay, great. Now haul butt outside, you are looking for somebody, because somebody knows what im doing. Even more disturbing, Cari Messaged Dave that she had taken his extra apartment to, and had been coming and going when he was going when he was not there. Liz got unsettling emails too. I am out in your garage, so what should i do to your car . I see my handiwork is still on the wall. Attached to the email, a photo, to prove cari was there. Eventually, the messages got threatening. Cari wrote dave a note, claiming she kidnapped liz. You will do exactly as i say, and then, i will let her go. Do it or say goodbye to her. Attached was this photo. A woman bound, couldnt see her face, but was that liz . I told her, bs, that is crap, i dont believe you. Go away, leave me alone. Through it all, cari remained invisible. Even after she texted dave, she was moving into an Apartment Building nearby. Yes, a couple of buildings away, why, does that bother you . I am only doing month to month till i find Something Else. Dave told the cops, of course. They went looking for cari. And the building number was correct, but the apartment number did not exist. Cari was still nowhere to be found, but near the complex, dave did find something that belonged to cari. Coming up a crucial discovery, almost buried in the snow. And the danger escalates. It was like, what in the hell . Into something deadly. Its like you are on edge, whats gonna happen next . When dateline continues. U wanted. You want whats best for them. Ohh, ohh, ohh so ask your vet about new nexgard plus. 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The fingerprint was found on a Mint Container in the cup holder of the suv. They ran the print through the national database. No hits. But if cari wasnt using her suv, at least, certainly not daily, her presence was unavoidable as ever, through those texts and emails, threatening photos, sent to both dave kroupa and liz golyar. Now, the detectives made sure to do a phone check from both of their devices to preserve the evidence, and perhaps, figure out where she was. It was even a link to a fake obituary for liz. See what i made for the horror . I will kill her, and i already made her an obituary, so its done. Then, minutes later, im trying to hire someone to get rid of that whore liz for us. You told me before, you wanted her gone. Do we want to pay just for the bitch or the two kids too. I hope to see you soon. Your beautiful cari. Trying to enlist you in her scheme, to kill liz. Yeah, that was a very interesting breed, the First Time Ever thought. I was, like oh my god. What in the hell . Cari didnt seem to realize that her ongoing harassment was actually pushing dave and liz back together. I compared notes on the harassment . Spent hours talking about it. Sending each other texts and emails, now kind of comforting each other. I mean, who else would understand that . Exactly, nobody else did understand. Now, dave and liz were regulars of the omaha pd, filing one complaint after the other against cari. At the time, they reported that cari broke daves Apartment Window and thats when the detective stepped in to investigate. He said, yeah, its her, shes done to me before. And fights photos of her, shows me some Text Messages, and she had made a text referencing the fact that she broke out his window. He could see the attacks were escalating from angry texts to theft, and then vandalism, and then threats to physical harm. He obtained an Arrest Warrant for cari farver, not that he had much hope of finding her. He knew cari was a computer expert, probably using software to discuss the phones and computers for messages came from. I thought, well, maybe, this must be some kind of avenue she is utilizing, because, nothing is there, we can find her. Weeks passed, and each time dave and liz were hit with an even more outrageous barrage, lagreau would look again, and again not find cari. And yet, it all seemed to be leading somewhere bad. Were dave and liz afraid . Oh, yeah. Its not so much you are terrified of the individual. Its like, you are on edge, whats gonna happen next . And sure enough, whats happened next was terrified . Early saturday morning, august 17th, liz called dave, frantic. The house burned out. Oh my god, it is that crazy person cari stalking me again. Liz has been in the middle of moving out. She undercuts were already sleeping on the new place when she went back to the old place that saturday morning to pick up more of her things. Instead, she had to call the omaha fire department. They responded right away. Later, so did detective lagreau. Inside the house is pretty charred and burned, and pretty sufficient. Really couldve ended up turning burning the house, but just didnt quite get to that point. But it was deadly enough. Liz had two dogs, one cat, and a pet snake, all were still in the house. All of them were found dead. Across the street, they saw women in a car parked outside lizs house a few weeks before the fire. Detective lagreau showed them a photo of cari. The neighbors said they couldnt be sure but she had the same general appearance. With an email to dave made no secret of who did it, i am not lying. I set that nasty whores house on fire. I hope the whore and the kids die. And later, hope you and your kids burned to death. We are getting into situations like arson, threats to individuals lives, or those around them, their children, the exboyfriend. Certainly, you are gonna take that much more seriously. Suddenly, the case against cari was very serious indeed. But still, like smoke from the fire, she vanished. What i did was try and find some way, somebody saw her, and then, came up with nothing, over and over again, nothing. This time, said day, he was afraid to try to attack his kids but too. What did she say when she threatened your kids, for example . Oh, something along the lines i would slip your childrens throats. Wow thats pretty hard to read. It took a toll, said dave. For a while, i was drinking heavily, which is not me. Never been a time in my life where i was a real drinker, and i was a drinking until the bar closed, and going to start again at 6 00 in the morning. Wow, and you bought a gun . Sure, yeah. Why . For my safety and my childrens safety. For Just Protection in general, i was like, i didnt know. So, dave and liz kept watch in the city, wary, fearful. Back in macedonia, caris family was hoping with a whole different set of emotions, emptiness, grief. And a terrible knowing uncertainty. Nancy had sent several pleading messages, come home. Cari, you are my daughter, and i always love you no matter what. We just need to see you, hear your voice, know where you are. I love this so much. Youre my little girl. Come home. For a parent, for a mother, i dont know how do you characterize this episode in your life . How do you talk about those feelings and make sense of them . There was no sense of it. There was no making sense of it. Whats happened to cari farver . And why . Coming up news like a Lightning Bolt for a family in anguish. Someone claims have seen cari. My heart was just racing like crazy. Could it be, after all this time . Did you rehearse what you would say when you saw her . Where have you been . When dateline continues. And can help you breathe better in as little as 2 weeks. 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And her mother told me that he did a lot of crying at their house. And that bothered me, of course. A bit of hope after that first christmas without cari in april 2013. The phone rang. On the line was a man. Saying that cari was at this Homeless Shelter in omaha. And that we were to go pick her up. What is happening in here, a new . Just flutters, i mean, my heart was just racing like crazy. The shelter was about an hour away. Nancy, who had neither seen her daughter nor heard her voice for months, was too to drive. So she asked her brother to take her. I was so tense. And it was just trying to catch a breath, and just did you rehearse what you would say when you saw her . Where have you been . Yeah, and you know, do you want to come back home . And investigator met nancy at the shelter. He had a photo of cari with him. When we went into the shelter, and investigators showed me the picture, and wanted to know if there is been anybody there like her. And they said, she hasnt been here. What is that like . Well, you know, your hopes are dashed again. It just, i think, where can she be . Its a feeling that comes with realizing her yes, i went home and i thought, i cant live with this anymore. This is just too much. Again nancy messaged cari. Cari, we were at siena house, where are you . No response. Then, a Facebook Post weeks later. Im a grown woman and if i feel like leaving home, i have the right. I asked my son max to come with me, but you didnt want to, so when im ready to come back home, i will. I love you all very much, but i need time still to sort things out. Then, there were posts like this one. Liz is the hole that took my boyfriend away from me. Now, ive met a really nice guy. Nancy have to wonder, maybe self delusion, but these messages just didnt sound like her. Because my daughter was so meticulous about grammar, and spelling, and the way it sounded. This stuff was like what . Oh, it was just garbage. Sort of chaotic. Yes, it was chaotic. 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She asked the police about that. What did they say . They said, well check it out. That kind of thing. Nothing came with it. But after karens father died, her exhusband, she had this weird dream. He came to me very vividly in the dream. He said, dont worry, nancy, shes with me. That sounds silly, but thats when i knew that because i knew she just would not just vanish. But of course, nancy did not know for sure. And every time something would pop up online, or wed get a text or something, there was this hope that maybe she is still out there. Max was looking for answers his own way. About a month after nancy went to the shelter in omaha, max sent his Mom A Message on facebook. Hi. That was it then the next day, cari responded. Hey, little man, how are you . Max messaged back. I have three questions. Things only she would know. Things only she would know. Max asked, one, what is my middle name . Two, what was our first boxers name, the dog . Three, who was my best friend as a little kid . And what was the response . Nothing, i never got a response to that one. Which meant what . Was that his not in her right mind mom . Or could his grandma be right . That somebody had kidnapped cari . Theres no way of knowing, really. And the messages kept coming. Like this one, from caris mom. Im not hurt, mom, i miss everyone too. I just had a breakdown, and i think im getting over it. I shouldve came to my senses sooner and realized the guy was not worth it. And then following year for mothers day, happy mothers day, mom. How has max been . Nancy, frustrated, replied, call me and i will gladly tell you about him. This is not talking. I need to hear your voice. Cari never called. For nancy and max, the anguish of missing cari never stopped. And meanwhile, all dave croupa won it was to escape her. In february of 2015, theyve moved from omaha to Council Bluffs, iowa, across the river. His kids lived there with amy flora. And he wanted to spend more time with them. And he hoped cari would not find him there. He bought another gun just in case. And after about three years of relentless harassment, things finally seemed to be quieting down for liz and dave. They were not as many messages from cari, she seemed to be fading away. And as that happened, liz and dave saw each other less and less too. There was just one rather scary thing. That gun dave bought for protection, the one he kept hidden high in a closet, disappeared. And youre the only guy in that apartment . Right, im the only one living there. Niw my mind is racing, theres no forced entry, the doors all shut and locked, what did you think . I dont know what the hell to think. Meanwhile in Pottawatomie County iowa, before cari live before she became a dangerous digital persona, her disappearance was more Office Chatter and then active case. Thats when these two detectives got hooked on it. We heard some stuff, you know, just water cooler talk about the case. About the strange crazy woman . It was interesting. It piqued our interest. So we requested to take a look at it. That was april 2015, more than two years after caris Reign Of Terror began. The file was huge by then, and bizarre digital house of mirrors. So, daughty and avis decide to sort things out, beginning with a very simple Question Police had never really considered before. Though, her family certainly had. Was cari farver really the vengeful woman she seemed to be . Or, did she even exist . I thought the smart idea was not to have Tunnel Vision in any direction. So, ryan walked in as if cari was still alive, and he was going to work it until he came to a dead end. I was going to work it like she was not alive. Because there is things that would lead us maybe to both conclusions. She still active sending Text Messages, pictures. Certainly seems alive. But shes also lying, and has missed so many events, and has it been physically seen by anyone. We started from scratch. Rereading. Reviewing all the old material . Reading all the reports, looking through those phone downloads, listening to any interviews that had been recorded, just diving in. Of course, they spoke to dave kroupa. No doubt in his mind cari was alive and crazy. He was transparent. He gave access to his whole Email Account. 11,000 emails that he had saved over the years. Could be more. That was not all they had. Right there in the file was a wholesale dump of material from liz golyars cell phone. So there were learning a lot about both dave and liz. They had been immersed in all that for months, but had not interviewed liz yet, when in the office one day, pure coincidence. I was in the hallway talking with a County Attorney, and another investigator was walking down the hall with liz to his office. Wow. And to me, it was like i saw a famous person. And i knew everything about her. And she was there to file a harassment report. But this was odd, her complaint was not against cari, it was someone else. Amy flora, thats the mother of daves children. Wait, amy . Not cari . First Detective Avis did a psychic double take. And then he asked if he could be the want to interview liz. Who is your ex boyfriend . Dave kroupa. Dave cooper . K r o u p a and he has kids with amy flora . Liz told Detective Avis that her on again off again relationship with davis off again. But ever since their most recent split, daves ex amy had been stalking her on facebook, and she was very worried because not even two days after you broke up, his apartment is broken into and his gun was stolen. So, i told the Police Officer i was kind of worried that since she has a key to his apartment that, says liz, is when she suddenly realized that she and dave had been played for fools. For three years, she believed cari was the woman behind all the threatening messages, the harassing graffiti, the deadly fire that killed her pets. But suddenly it was a like a light went on, said liz. It wasnt cari at all. That scary awful online villainess that was responsible for all the trouble had to be amy flora, daves ex, the mother of his children. Diabolical. But think about it, said liz. Amy was the one who so desperately want it dave. She had the motive. But cari . Not really. Like i said, they only dated for two weeks, and i dont understand why a person would still be stalking him almost three years later. Cari and dave dated for two weeks . Yes. And she supposedly is the one stalking for three three years. I would find it more reasonable to believe that his kidsmoms is the one thats head spinning, Detective Avis made some notes, told liz he would do what he could to help her out. 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The bullet went clean through her like, missed bones and arteries and that couldve been much worse. She told a detective what happened. She says she came out here to clear her mind, and she walked out to a bench and sat down. And then a female, who she believed to be amy flora, came up behind her, put a gun to her back, told her to get on the ground, and shot her in the leg, and then ran off. A few minutes later, a City Police Task force surrounded amys apartment. I kind of saw somebody leaning against my building. And i said, whos there . And all i heard was, open up, police. So, i opened the door. And they had to officers with guns drawn. Pointing at you . Yes, yeah. What do they say to you . They had said that i was accused of shooting liz. They searched her home, and later sat her down in an Interview Room and hooked her up to a polygraph machine, asked her questions like this one, among others. Did you go to Big Lakes Park that day . No. Amy also denied that she shot liz, again and again. But she failed the polygraph. Still, something did not add up. When that local detective arrived at amys place right after the shooting, he felt the hood of her car, icecold, had not been driven for a while. And the neighbors said amy was home all afternoon. So, was amy so nervous she blew the polygraph . Or was Something Else going on . Detective avis went to see liz at the hospital, his recorder rolling. I feel like its just writing on the wall, what it is. Its amy shot you with daves gun, isnt it . Pretty much. Thats what im thinking. Dave still does not think so. Seemed like the friendly cop. Or the dumb one. Ill be whatever she wanted, as long as she kept telling us information. Wait, what . Avis was playing dumb, he said, to pump liz for information, because he and his partner had a strong suspicion about who really shot her. A truly shocking idea, something beyond devious. She shot herself was what i thought. Liz shot herself . Thats sounded crazy, or maybe a certain kind of crazy. Remember, to help catch cari farver, liz had given the police cell phone. And heres What Detectives Doty and avis found on that phone. A photo of cari farvers suv, which did not make any sense at all, because we looked at the date that was taken. And it was taken on christmas eve, 2012. Was that not when her car was actually missing . Yeah, it had not been recovered until january 2013. So we thought, thats weird the police could not find, it dave did not know where it was, but somehow liz was able to take a picture of it. That was not all. Remember that threatening photo cari emailed to dave, of a woman bound and duct taped . That photo was linked back to liz, which made them wonder, was it possible those wild and scary electronic messages all sent in caris name were really sent by liz . Tricky, even for a Computer Whiz to nail that bit of jello to the wall. It is beyond our expertise, and its when you gotta say how well you know computers, social media, that nonsense . Made us want to pick up a phone, call tony carver, and ask if he has any more information . By day, i do Information Work and i do that for years. And by night, i fight crime. [laughs] , you sound like a superhero. Anthony carvas day job was i. T. For pottawattamie county. But by night, hes a reserve sheriffs deputy. What did you have to go through . It was Terabytes Worth of information. Maybe about three dozen Email Accounts, facebook accounts, a number of different apps. And in his tiny office, carva sat hour after hour, late into the night, deciphering an enormous amount of digital data. It might take her five minutes to create a Email Account. It might take me fifteen hours to prove it was her. Among those many counts was a youtube account with this video. The title of the video is husbands cheating place. And that video showed the apartment of dave kroupa. But the ip address where that video was uploaded, was where liz lived. So that was another Arrow Pointing at liz. Painstakingly, hour by hour, anthony compiled the evidence. His conclusion . Every one of those threatening emails and texts and Facebook Posts and youtube videos link right back to liz golyar. Meanwhile detectives doty and avis busy themself with good oldfashioned earthbound evidence. Remember that one unidentified fingerprint found in a Mint Container in caris otherwise spotless suv . We asked our Crime Scene Tech we compare that fingerprint to a known fingerprint of liz, see what you came up with . It was a match. This lady who shouldve had very little interaction with cari should have no reason to be in her vehicle. Only matter in passing, one time. But now, her fingerprint is in her car. Liz in caris suv, Liz Impersonating Cari online. There was no logical explanation for it, unless we think liz may have been involved with making cari disappear. 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Max and nancy has suspected for months that all those digital rants were not actually from cari. They didnt know it yet, but detectives jim doty and ryan avis agreed with them. The detectives already had proof liz was impersonating cari online. But they also suspected something much darker. Remember another part of their Investigation Room Ball of this basic question, was cari farver alive or dead . Her father died, and she didnt go to the funeral. And she missed her sons birthday. All these things. It did not take ryan very long at all to come up with adead end, he could not find anything to show that she was alive. Suddenly, cari farver looked not like a villain, but like the real victim. And the woman who claimed she was the victim, liz golyar, looked like the Prime Suspect in caris disappearance. Because why else would you disguise yourself as cari, if you werent responsible for her . Why would you be in caris if you werent responsible for it . All that is so counterintuitive and so bizarre that, you know, it wouldnt be expected to believe such a thing. It was stunning, really. Liz, apparently impersonating cari for years, sending thousands of texts and emails in her name. But now they had a bigger question, and a much bigger problem. I guess part of the worry was, even if we could prove that its liz sending all this stuff out as cari, well, that doesnt prove murder. Murder . Yes. Sergeant doty and corporal avis believe liz killed cari out of jealousy. Impersonated cari to win back dave, and frame his ex partner amy for everything, even going so far as to set her house was on fire, kill the family pets, and shoot herself in the leg. Pretty wild stuff, but could they prove it . We need something more, so we werent quite sure how to get to that point. And then, liz herself, by accusing amy of shooting her, gave them their big idea. And thats when we introduced jim to liz. Im investigator doty, i work for the sheriffs office. A week after the shooting in the park, liz arrived at the sheriffs station, wearing her work uniform. I told you i was looking into a Missing Persons case briefly on the phone. He told her there was a break in the case. There have been some remains that were located. It was a ruse, of course. We are waiting on the lab results to make a positive i. D. , but the initial indication is these remains are caris. Okay, good. Meanwhile, said Detective Doty, he was hoping liz could help establish a timeline, like, when was last time liz saw cari. That was easy, liz said. One brief encounter when cari went unnannounced to daves apartment in 2012. I dont know he was dating anyone else at the time. So, she came out, and i was going in. And she made a Smart Comment to me. Why did she say . She called me a bitch. Okay. It was not a big deal at the time. I just want to get my stuff. That is the only time you ever seen her in person . She told Detective Doty that it was dave that blamed cari for all the Harassing Messages over the years. But, just as she told Detective Avis, she now thought that amy was really the one behind it all. She was with him for 12 years. And she still goes in and out of his life at all. So you think shes the person that did some of the stuff to you. Im just saying as another person who would be possessive of dave, it would be her. So, i would not put it past her. Detective doty pretended to agree. Im thinking, if she was bold enough to go, and shoot you. She could easily be bold enough to do something to cari. Of course he said, he would need to prove it. If we had messages from her saying hey, i did this or i did that. Angle i could easily Start Building that case. We want to build a case against amy. We want to get amy thrown in prison. Which, we were hoping was music to her ears. And apparently, it was. Liz agreed to help with the investigation, and she limped away. And she became a little deputy for you . Yeah. No telling what liz might come up with next. Coming up liz forwards emails and propels the investigation. When they first heard coming in, they were pretty vague. So you want me to try an email her back . And thats im leaving that in your court, liz. I mean, if thats something you would feel okay doing, that would be really helpful for us. And detectives give dave a dire warning. Since liz did come and tell you this, i would avoid her like the plague right now. Okay. When dateline continues. Og is the one you wanted. You want whats best for them. Ohh, ohh, ohh so ask your vet about new nexgard plus. Its oneanddone monthly protection from fleas and ticks, plus heartworm disease, roundworms, and hookworms. All in a delicious, beefflavored, soft chew. Use with caution in dogs with a history of seizures or neurologic disorders. From the maker of 1 vetrecommended heartgard plus. Nexgard plus the one you want for oneanddone protection. 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Nancy felt lonely indeed. Until one day, Detective Doty knocked on her door. I was a little bit standoffish because been down that road before. Right, yeah. Finally, he said to me, i want you to know that i dont think she left on her own. And i tell you, my attitude just changed. The very thing shed suspected saw what you had seen all along. Right. Then the investigation really got going. An investigation as unusual and convoluted as the apparent crime, in which an Eager Liz Golyar would try and help prove that her rival, amy, killed cari. Of course, all the while the detectives knew amy was innocent. But they let liz think they believed otherwise. She made anything inferred threatening statements, to cari, the gold to me is to get Something Like that. And what do you know, within days, liz began forwarding them emails from amy, she said. Although the misspellings looked awfully familiar. I shot you liz, to make sure dave stayed away from you. I made a couple of those fake emails and numbers you and dave thought were cari to get rid of you, liz. Didnt work too well. When they first start coming in, they were pretty vague. So, Detective Doty spoke to liz again. They needed more, he told her. So, you guys want me to try and email her back . And thats im leaving that in your court, liz. I mean, if thats something you would feel okay doing, that would be really helpful for us. Liz said she would try. Caris family, some closure would be nice, i guess. Yeah, that is true. Give her family some closure. So, she sent this email to amy. So, if you really shot me, then what kind of gun was it . So, did you ever get to meet up with daves ex, cari . According to liz, amy responded. The gun was daves that i used. Dont worry, you didnt get it as bad as crazy cari. Then, she wrote this. So when i met crazy cari, she would not stop talking about dave and him being her husband. She tried to attack me, but i attacked her with a knife. I stabbed her 3 to 4 times in the chest and stomach area. I then took her out and burned her. I stuffed her body in a garbage bag with crap. The sort of a Detail A Killer would know. To see while working on it must of been enormously exciting. It felt good. A couple of days later, dave kroupa called Detective Avis, to say hed just had a disturbing conversation with liz. She told me that the sheriffs had found remains, like, somebody is dead. And that they thought that it was this cari. And that supposedly they had all this evidence against amy. You know, that shes complicit, or knows something, or whatever. I dont know. Dave was understandably shaken up. Avis could not tell him much, but he did drop a big hint. Id be damn near moved in with amy if i were you. Okay. Since liz did come and tell you this, i would avoid her like the plague right now. Dave took his advice, moved in with amy, so they could protect each other and their kids. But that outraged liz. She called the police to say so. Looks like the only person that benefited was her. So she gets to shoot somebody, and then she gets to kill another person. And then she has to move in with dave, and she gets to be free. And you guys arent arresting her. Detective doty told her he still needed more evidence. So liz gave them access to her Email Account. And over the next month, emails came pouring in. Allegedly from amy, of course. I got hold of cari, and we drive in her car. I reach over and stabbed her when i killed cari, you know she begged me to called day that work, then she begged me to talk to her family before she died. I remember when i killed cari that she had a yin yang sign on left thigh all that read like a detailed confession. But we had to find evidence to confirm that what she is telling us is true. Coming up, the chilling clue that might finally unlock this mystery. 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When pain comes for you, come back fast with advil liquigels. Heres why you should switch fro to duckduckgo on all your Devie Duckduckgo comes with a built n engine like google, but its pi and doesnt spy on your searchs and duckduckgo lets you browse like chrome, but it blocks cooi and creepy ads that follow youa from google and other companie. And theres no catch, its fre. We make money from ads, but they dont follow you aroud join the millions of people taking back their privacy by downloading duckduckgo on all your devices today. The text of the way convinced that lives gallagher killed carry in that convoluted plot to win back her ex boyfriend, dave. She had handed them emails describing the murder, details only the killer would know. The murderer, she said, was daves wife amy. Investigators thought otherwise, and needed to look in caris car again. But the car had long since been sold to somebody else. But they found it, much used, in a whole other county. Took off the passenger seat, pulled up the fabric of that, and there was a dark red state right on that seat, large stain. They tested it, human blood. Dna confirmed it was caris blood. Thats huge. It was. But we did not know what to do next, for sure. But they were sure they had to move fast, because it appeared liz was scouting a new target. We would see her circling amys apartment, multiple times a day. Because doty and avis believed cari was murdered in omaha, they asked the city police for help. And the omaha pd picked up liz on an unrelated misdemeanor crime. But in the interview, their questions were about cari. Liz stuck to her story that she was the victim in this tragic tale. What do you think happened to cari farver . I dont know. I dont know if what amys saying is true. I do not know. Im more scared that something is going to happen to me, and then my kids wont have anybody. The omaha detective added some pressure. Why, he asked, was her fingerprint in caris car . I dont know. But ive never even been in her car. I dont even know whats car she drives. She denied everything. You are just going to lie to me. Im done talking. And im going to have my attorney. Because i did not do anything. At the end of the night, she bonded out and the County Attorney wanted more time to review the evidence. What was it like, waiting for that . Was it frustrating . It was. Months went by. Max, who had not heard about any of that recent investigation, graduated from high School Without his mom. That was a real, kind of, stake in the heart. But because god knows if theres any indication she was going to attend, it certainly would be have been your graduation. Yeah. Summer came and went, another winter set in, and then, december 22nd, 2016, four years after cari farver vanished, after reviewing all the evidence, the County Attorney finally felt there was enough. Liz golyar was arrested for murder. The best part of it was being able to go to nancy and tell her, we have arrested somebody for the murder of your daughter. That was a big day for her. That was what made working this whole case worth it. Feel like driving out there this year. Could not drive fast enough. It was big news for dave, too. That was the first time i could go outside and take a breath of fresh air and say i dont have someone over my shoulder today. Liz sat in jail, while the prosecutors prepare for a trial they knew would not be easy. No body cases are tough . Circumstantial, it was very circumstantial. Then, as the trial date was bearing down, a teeny, tiny memory card yielded an amazing discovery. It was just basically bs luck that you got that, right, last minute . I dont think its luck, just divine intervention. Coming up, a signature tattoo, the ultimate computer clue it turns up on a picture of a dead body . Yeah. Holy cow. Would cari farver get justice at last . It was nerveracking. When dateline continues. To duckduckgo on all your Devie Duckduckgo comes with a builtn engine like google, but its pi and doesnt spy on your searchs and duckduckgo lets you browse like chrome, but it blocks cooi and creepy ads that follow youa from google and other companie. And theres no catch. Its fre. We make money from ads, but they dont follow you aroud join the millions of people taking back their privacy by downloading duckduckgo on all your devices today. Weve had our fair share of homicides and bizarre cases, that certainly, in all my cases, certainly tops the charts for most bizarre. Not just bizarre, challenging. Even for seasoned prosecutors Brandon Beagle and james mast all are. Your typical murder case, you know exactly when the murder happened, when the murder happened. When you have a body, you dont really have a good date, time, or location. This is a bizarre and twisted case of failed action. Nevertheless, on may 10th, 2017, they put liz golyar on trial, for the murder of cari farver. It is a vote on obsessive woman that would stop at nothing to get what she wanted. Liz waved her right to a jury trial. A judge would hear the evidence. The prosecutors laid it out methodically. Caris blood in the car, liz is blood on the Mint Container on the main container, the emails, the vast probe of digital forensics. They even tracked down a purchase on caris bank card after she vanished, a walmart receipt. One of the items was a shower curtain. And the shower can was familiar to us because, in that phone than we did in 2013 of lizs phone, there was a picture of that shower curtain. And they found the shower curtain itself at lewiss apartment. There was also a photo of cari s drivers license with a large knife next to it, email today. He thought it was a threat from cari. In fact, it was sent from an Email Account created by liz. All these pieces together made a big difference. All of it, put together, the prosecutors told the story said it told the story of how liz golyar murdered cari farver. They told the judge it have in the morning on November 13th, 2012, after dave kroupa left for work. Cari was on her laptop. We know from examination of cari farvers known facebook that she logged into her facebook at 6 39 am that morning. About two minutes later, she logged off. She was supposed to be going to work, but never made it. She was intercepted. Something happened. That something was the defendant. Hard to know exactly what liz did to cari, but it did not take her too long. Because at 9 54 am, cari farvers cell phone is being used to access facebook. At that moment, it appeared cari unfounded dave. The fact that she had facebook friends, the actor temerity, one of the first acts she takes is to eliminate that facebook friendship. From then on, in cyberspace, liz became cari. All from that purpose, for the reason of convincing people her friends, her family, relatives, everyone, that she was still alive. Nancy went to court every day for the trial. Heard the details for the very first time. When i heard all of this, what this person was doing in her name, it just made me so angry. Because, cari did not deserve that, at all. So, strong case . The prosecutors hope so, though, nobody cases are tough to prove. But, was it lock, divine intervention . Before the trial began, Detective Avis and tech grew carva went back to dave kroupa, and asked if he had anything that might help them . And thats when it hit him, he put a tablet into storage and had forgotten all about it. So he fished it out, and carva examined it. Tony remove the external sd card, out of memory, that had been deleted and reformatted. Blank, or so it seemed, until carva took a closer look. Peter. There were, i want to say, thousands of pictures that he was able to locate. Thousands of photos that liz thought she had to leave it. One of the pictures that we found was a chinese symbol, that we were able to determine met mother. And there were dark lines in the picture. Dark lines . They look more closely. Those lines were veins, and what looked like someones foot, someones deceased foot. Avis called caris mom nancy. Nancy was able to email a few pictures, and sure enough, cari had that same tattoo on her left foot. Wow. Identical. And remember the yin yang tattoo mansion in one of those possibly confessional emails . All the sudden, it turns up in a picture of a dead body . Yeah. Holy cow. That was caris too. The Tattoo Parlor kept a record. My first thought when i saw those photographs is that this defendant took a trophy, or trophies, of the person she killed. The motive, an old one, jealousy. It was all because of dave kroupa, she did it because she wanted this man. Jealousy can make you do strange things, but thats just why so much . Why . I think it snowballed. When she did it, she could not stop. She had to make cari look like she was still alive to get the heat off of her. And it just went on and on and on for years. Dave kroupa heard it all, and finally understood. I mean, it makes sense now, at the end. But, you know, the tarantino movie always make sense of the end. You know, it does not make any sense getting there. And liz is a defense attorney, james martin davis, a greek. It was a movie. A fictional one. I know they have all this bizarre behavior, and have all this circumstantial evidence, but he does not show my client on that day in this jurisdiction and stabbed cari farver to death. Without that, no murder case. You may have camcorders, and you may have smart cards, and you may have phones. But you do not have a body. And you do not have a cause of death from a medical examiner. What we have is their belief, their speculation, their notion, that this is what happens. But that cannot convict. And then the judge retired to think about it. And returned to an anxious courtroom. Max, inside the courtroom, waited for the words. It was nerveracking. And then finally, an answer. The court finds the judge, the defendant is guilty. Guilty of first degree murder for killing cari farver, that seconddegree arson for setting fire to her own house and killing her pets. She was sentenced to life in prison. Just a few rows behind liz, caris mother nancy finally heard the long forwards from the judge. Saying that cari did not vanish off the face of the earth and she did not just vanish into thin air. It was just totally relief to me, and i just started crying. You cant grieve, really, until you know. And now they did. It will never go away. But, at least we can deal with it now. Have to deal with it. So important, said nancy, to finally set the record straight about a loving mother and a good woman who never abandoned anyone. And i think it wouldve been important to cari too, because she would have wanted people to say, this was not me. Max followed his mothers footsteps, pursuing a career in software engineering. Yeah, she was the one that really got me to understand computers. I will never type as well as she could. But, she is definitely a big influence there. She inspired your yes, she definitely did. But, i have her to think for the road im going down now. I think should be pretty proud of you. I hope so. It was like being in a nightmare. My mom was never late. Thats what it mesa point manse. Not just disappear. A mother of two, disappears. She waved the quick, i walk down the stairs, out the door. But she was not the first to banish, this was a town that appears to be haunted by a serial killer. It became sickening to hear that another girl got