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Credit Card Transactions and phone records of me driving from las vegas. But could this little card hold the key . That was just a shot in the dark. Absolutely. Was he a calculated killer, or was his lifestyle on trial . He made mistakes, but that doesnt make him a monster. Was there one more card up his sleeve . It goes back to him thinking, ive bluffed some of the best. The player. Good evening and welcome to dateline. Tonight the story of a double murder that was both shocking and puzzling. There were no witnesses and few clues. The victims were a respected couple. Their son, it turned out, played poker for a living. Could that lifestyle have had something to do with it . The case was a mystery, until prosecutors looked again at a bloodstained card, ignored in the original investigation. Could that be the key . Heres keith morrison. Reporter it was her first time in las vegas. Her first look at that famous strip, its outsized kitsch, its gaudy casinos with their endless electronic clatter and their darker places where men in dark suits hover over the study calm of highrolling wishful thinkers. Her name was adrienne solomon and she was here on business. I was excited to go, to get to see what this city was all about. Reporter adrienne came to las vegas for a medical conference. Meeting planning was her business, a road job. I was probably gone 50 of the time. Reporter now the job had brought her here, to a vast casino, all alone. Exciting, of course, though buttoned down compared to her previous, more exotic occupation, teaching the flying trapeze. I went to work for club med and worked for the vacationers, i worked for seven years, living all over the world. I cant imagine what it would be like to have a job where your responsibility is to teach people how to relax and have fun and do it in a wonderful setting. It was the best job. Reporter in which she learned to embrace moments of fun, new experiences, and had learned something, too, about how to read people. Or so she thought. Now here she was april 2006, noisy casino, observing a craps game. Gentleman standing right to my side turned around and said, do you want me to explain the game to you . So he did and we started chatting. And like any woman in her mid30s is going to do, i looked to make sure he didnt have a wedding ring as he started to flirt with me a little bit. He asked if i wanted to go to dinner that night. I said, im going to dinner anyway, so why not . Reporter her dinner date was Ernest Scherer iii. There was not that awkward silence sometimes you have on first dates. Reporter ernie, thats what he called himself, was goodlooking, collegeeducated, a former eagle scout who had been raised in a mormon household. Though his occupation was rather unusual. He was a professional poker player. Kind of surprised me that someone with his background would be a professional poker player. Of course, you had done something kind of odd for a while, too. Exactly. Which is why i found it to be no big deal. He said he made good money at it. Reporter he said he had mastered hiding cards. He is good at reading people, which is very important in the poker world. Reporter he kept an apartment in Southern California but spent much of his time in las vegas. He gambled enough at the tables, he had high enough status, that he got free rooms and free meals, show tickets. Reporter and he seemed to be doing it all rather responsibly, saving money he told her for those times when the cards werent so lucky. It was almost like somebody having a sales job, that they know sometimes theyre going to get a lot of great sales and sometimes theyre not. Reporter she fell for ernie over the next few days of magic time in vegas. And soon a longdistance relationship blossomed. They were on the phone every day. There were trips, she to vegas, he to meet her in places like aruba and mexico. And one day ernie told adrienne he loved her. It was very exciting. Reporter ernie traveled to adriennes home base in North Carolina several times, got to know her family, her mother lynn. He was charming, was very comfortable with us, us with him. We talked about marriage. We were looking at engagement rings. Reporter they actually talked about children. First one being a girl, of course he would love her but he really wanted a boy. Reporter so it was wonderful. Not perfect of course. What is . Ernies mother, the devout mormon, did not approve of his poker playing, apparently, even though ernies father loved poker. In fact, they often played together. He really seemed to like his father and respect his father. They seemed to be close. Reporter so why didnt they want to meet her . It was, frankly, a little hard to understand. How he explained it to me, his mother did not approve of our relationship because i was not mormon. And we traveled around together and were living a life of sin or whatever. This scarlet woman. Exactly. Reporter when she did meet ernies dad once, it didnt go so well. He was in the lobby of caesars, he started to say, this is adrienne, he said, i know who she is and turned his back to me. I had never been so offended in my life. Reporter so it faded. No marriage, no children. I think the last six months of our relationship we knew it wasnt going anywhere. And in february of 2008 they broke it off. So maybe thats why weeks later she didnt hear right away about what happened. We need somebody now. What kind of a problem . I dont know. Reporter didnt hear about the grisly double murder where one of the victims was named Ernest Scherer. Coming up was one of the victims the man she had loved . It didnt seem like Something Like that could really have happened to someone i know. 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Just say Jurassic World to watch the trailer, then say get tickets for local showtimes from fandango. And its just like, wild. Only with xfinity x1. Reporter adrienne solomon was putting lifes pieces back together. Her twoyear romance with professional poker player Ernie Scherer had failed. She was in San Francisco on a business trip, and a text showed up. It said, i heard about his parents. Let me know if theres anything i can do. Reporter adrienne got herself to a computer and got online and saw the appalling story. Learned that they had been murdered. It was surreal. It didnt seem like Something Like that could have happened to someone i know. Reporter not her ernie, thankfully, but ernies parents, ernest and his wife charlene, murdered, found dead in their own house, which was coincidentally in an upscale country club right across the San Francisco bay from adriennes hotel. And now, of course, the house was a crime scene where even the seasoned lead detective was horrified by what he saw. It was probably the most gruesome, brutal homicide scene i had ever seen. Reporter march 14, 2008, the call came in, a country Club Employee had seen what looked like a body through the scherers window. Kristen tucker was one of the first on the scene. As i approached the front door of the home, i could smell the odor of decay and blood from quite a distance away. Reporter and inside was like a war zone, blood everywhere and the battered bodies of two people who had clearly fought for their lives. The bodies had suffered extensive, extensive injuries. Reporter it wasnt just the odors that told investigators the bodies had been here for a while. There was a weeks worth of newspapers that hadnt been collected. Reporter they narrowed the time of death to between friday evening march 7th, the last time anyone saw them, and march 8th. Method of death . Hard to be sure. No murder weapon lying around, but they had been hit by some object and sliced by what must had been a very big knife or sword. What happened here . Was it a Home Invasion robbery . Possible, judging from the mess. Ernie scherer was a wealthy Real Estate Investor known to carry cash around. Detective mike norton. In the victims bedroom, the drawers had been pulled out, a lot of clothes had been thrown on the floor. Reporter a decorative sword was missing and two jade statues, likely expensive. But wait a minute, maybe it wasnt a robbery. Her purse was present on the kitchen table. There was jewelry. In the fathers pants pocket in his bedroom there was a large amount of cash. Reporter 9,000 in cash rolled up in his jeans pocket. And that was untouched . Untouched. Reporter so was the crime scene staged to hide something more sinister than robbery . Why, for example, did they find that odd and very obvious pattern of bloody shoe prints but only around the bodies . And the shoe prints would go back and forth to each victim, but they just disappeared. You were thinking, how did this person get out . Reporter still, easy enough to i. D. The shoe prints. There was an obvious nike swoosh in the middle. Little checking revealed it was a nike impact tomahawk, big, maybe close to a size 12. But who wore them . Who would do such an awful thing . And why . In our area, we just didnt have a husband and wife in their 60s in a multimilliondollar neighborhood killed for no reason. Reporter investigators poked around the scherers background looking really for enemies with motive. And it turned out they had some. Or at least ernest did. Ernie was a very passionate person on his views and he wasnt afraid to let you know how he felt. Reporter guy houston, a former california state assemblyman knew ernest and his conservatism. He did make people angry, but it was all in a political it wasnt a personal basis. It was all political. Reporter besides, what happened to them was too ugly even for politics. And as for charlene i dont know anybody who didnt like her. Reporter here was her friend from the mormon church. Her confidence, her command, her good heart, her ability to reach out and help people. Reporter which she had also been doing professionally for decades as an accounting teacher, said this colleague at cal state east bay. She not only wanted to help students with the particular subject area and the class, she also wanted to help the students with their career and their life. Reporter so who was responsible . Who knew . Not a suspect in sight. I instantly got my phone out and sent him a text message. Reporter the minute adrienne solomon heard what happened, she reached out for her ernie. They decided to meet in San Francisco for dinner that very night. Even though we werent in a relationship anymore, wed been friends for a long time. I felt good that i could be there for him. He got really upset during dinner. I was there to be a listening board for him. Reporter and that was that. Until a few days later when ernie phoned again, very upset. He said that the cops are starting to harass him a little bit. Reporter and again adrienne calmed him down. All normal police procedure, she told him. You always hear they look at family first. So thats just what they were doing. Reporter but ernie was a mess, asked to see her again. So adrienne arranged to meet him at her next business stop in dallas. Be a support again. Exactly. Reporter but adrienne had no way of knowing what was coming. Or what that news would do to her. It was horrible. I think i started shaking. What was wrong with me that i didnt see this . Reporter was it about the murder . No. No, it was Something Else altogether. Coming up revelations about the double life of a man she thought she knew. He did it in las vegas. He did it in new orleans. He did it everywhere he went. What else had he done . 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Reporter adrienne told him he could meet her in dallas at her next business trip. And it was actually just as she arrived when it happened. Something shell remember for the rest of her life. I was in the taxi headed from the airport to the hotel in dallas, and my phone rings and it is a detective. Reporter she listened to him say he was investigating the death of ernies parents and he had a question. And he said, now, i know you guys broke up, but can you tell me how long this affair lasted . Reporter affair . Why did he use that word . Why would you say that . We dated exclusively for two years. You dont know what youre talking about, she told him. He said, so you dont know hes married and has a child . I said, what are you talking about . I said to him, why would i believe you . Reporter but by the time she hung up the phone, adrienne knew. She did believe him. All of the puzzle pieces came together in my head. Reporter suddenly it all made sense, why he never wanted her to see his apartment or meet his parents, why his dad snubbed her that time at the casino. He had been married all along, to a woman named robyn, and had a young son ernest iv. And every good opinion adrienne had of him and her and her own judgment flew out of the window of that dallas cab. Im a smart person. How could i have not put all of these pieces together . We talked about having kids together and he wanted to have a boy . He already had a boy. What is going on . Reporter things happened quickly then, quickly and painfully. My phone rang and it was him. I said, listen, the cops just called, and so he asked, what did they tell you . Im like, well, i know youre married. Hes like, its in name only. Were not really married. Its not a true marriage. Let me come and explain this to you. I said, i dont want to see you. Please just go. Reporter he wouldnt. He refused. She met him in the lobby. Then he tried to explain everything away. Reporter he couldnt, of course, and she sat there half listening, her equilibrium gone in a whirl of bad feelings. I was hurt and angry with him and myself. And it was unbelievable to think that those two years had been a sham. Reporter oh, yes. And, in fact, more than one sham. A whole quilt of shams. Detectives back in Northern California had begun to uncover details of a double life which appeared to be, shall we say, prodigious. It seemed like at every turn there was another woman this guy had some involvement with. Coming out of the woodwork. There was quite a few of them. He said he was recently single. Reporter like pamela nichols, for example, who responded to ernies ad in march 2008 in the dating section of craigslist in las vegas. She met him for drinks. Ernies personality was very nice, friendly. Reporter the two made plans to have dinner march 14, 2008. But about 2 00 in the afternoon, said pamela, ernie called to cancel. Saying he needed to go home, that his parents house was broken into and burglarized and they were both murdered. Reporter but in the weeks after the murder, ernies craigslist conquest resumed. He did it in las vegas. He did it in new orleans. He did it everywhere he went and he got lots of responses. Does that surprise you . It surprised me that he was able to form the level of intimacy very rapidly with so many different women that he did. Kimberly olsen was one of them. She formed a very intimate relationship with Ernie Scherer, met him in september 2008, six months after his parents murder. She was at a casino in mesquite, nevada. He came over and said he needed a pretty girl to blow on his dice at the craps table. He was a smooth talker. Thats a line. It is. I fell for it. Reporter from day one, their relationship was based on honesty, she said, full disclosure, all the dirty laundry. He would tell me the stories about his wife and his girlfriend and going back and forth. I told him he was a jerk. I think he knew he had made a lot of mistakes. Of course he also told her about his parents murder. He missed his parents. He would tell stories about him and his father. Hed get tearyeyed about it. Kimberly got to know ernie, she said, very, very well. If you can drive to texas with someone and not want to strangle them in the middle of texas you get to know someone really well. He was really sweet. Reporter she eventually moved in with him. Did you love him . I did. But that other woman, adrienne solomon, was struggling. If he could lie to me, lie to my family for two years, talk about having children, look at rings, what else was he capable of . Reporter but, of course, living a double life doesnt make you a double murderer. Those Alameda County detectives knew that perfectly well. But, as they were discovering, a cheating heart wasnt the only disturbing thing about this professional poker player. 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We were looking for everything, every blood stain, fingerprints. Reporter and they found nothing that pointed to ernie. After all, those mysterious bloody nike shoe prints were consistent with a size 12 and ernie wore a 9 1 2 or 10. Also found in one of those a speck of dna that did not belong to either ernie or his parents. Now, early on, there was only that curious incident, just a little odd, happened the day after the bodies were discovered. Ernie showed up at the house all distraught insisting officer tucker give him entry. No can do, she said, active crime scene and all. He became demanding and even condescending very, very quickly, which surprised me. Why did he want to get in the house so badly . He wanted the will. He told you that . He did. Reporter his parents will, which investigators found in a desk drawer. And the will indicated that their fairly significant estate would be divided equally between their two children, katherine and ernest, and they would receive their inheritance at the age of 30. Did you determine how old ernest was . I did. Ernest scherer iii would turn 30 in july, and his parents were killed in march. Reporter ernies father had a couple million invested in real estate, though at the time of his death the value of the estate was certainly shrinking right along with housing prices. Still, was it even remotely possible ernie would kill his parents to cash in on an inheritance . Detectives had a look at ernies financial situation. And you know how some professional poker players claim they win a lot . Maybe not. At least not in ernies case. We learned that he had 60someodd thousand dollars in Credit Card Debt and he also in talking with different casinos had lost a significant amount of money to the tune of 80,000 or 90,000 in his play in the last year. Reporter oh, but that was not the worst of it. Not even close. By march of 2008 when the murders happened, real estate in california was huffing and puffing on its race to the bottom, and six months before that ernie the son wanted to buy a house in the city of brea in Southern California but couldnt get a loan. Banks not so sanguine about the security of a poker players income. So he borrowed the money from his father, 616,000. But then real estate started tanking so father ernest asked son ernie to go to a bank, refinance, pay back his loan. And ernie couldnt. He was frantic trying to refinance his home. And at the time that they were killed he had missed a mortgage payment to his parents for the first time. So this is approaching some sort of crisis. Thats what we felt, yes. Reporter so motive . Well, maybe. Investigators told ernie they wanted to talk, and he agreed to come down to the station, where he explained their suspicions were groundless. Ernie had an alibi. There will be transactions showing my drive from las vegas to california. Reporter he had driven from las vegas that afternoon, stopped for gas and a bite to eat at mcdonalds in primm, nevada. There were credit card records to prove it. He arrived around 5 00 p. M. , fell asleep on the couch, watched a movie on tv and went to bed. Wife and son were away, he said. And bright and early the next morning he met his elderly grandfather for a bridge tournament, which his grandfather ernest senior confirmed. Still, detectives had some questions that ernie surely should have been able to answer, shouldnt he . So we asked him, what road did you take to get to your home . He wasnt able to tell us. What Television Show did you watch . He wasnt able to tell us. Reporter and then when they checked ernies cell phone records, they found an unusual gap in transmission, right around the time of the murders. From the afternoon of march 7th to the Early Morning of march 8th, 17 hours 46 minutes, ernies phone did not register on any cell phone tower anywhere. He was just a guy that was constantly talking on his cell phone. So the fact theres a 17hour window where hes not using it at all was definitely suspicious to us. Reporter but, as the investigators suspicions grew, just as they felt they might possibly be closing in on something, Ernie Scherer iii disappeared. Coming up following the trail, connecting the dots. Police turn up a strange story. He asked me if i would do something slightly illegal for 300. But was it the smoking gun they needed . Reporter it was the 23rd of march 2008. So, whats new . We just switched to geico and got more. More . Theyve been saving folks money for over 75 years. A company you can trust. Geico even helped us with homeowners insurance. More sounds great. Gotta love more. Right, honey . Yeah geico. Expect great savings and a whole lot more. 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Ernie scherer iii, a person of interest in the particularly violent murder of his parents, quite suddenly got out of dodge. He was gone. Reporter a guilty conscience . Or an innocent man fed up with negative attention from the cops . But detectives back in Alameda County, california, did not panic. Ernie probably didnt know it, but a rather enterprising Police Officer had put a gps tracking device on his car. For a majority of the time we knew where he was. Reporter the car and dating sites led police to a number of young women he, well, met. Like the one in new orleans who called the police after a strange night with a man who first told her he was writing a novel about a gambler who is a suspect in his parents murder and who then told her his own parents had been murdered. And when she went back to his hotel room, he had rigged it with bungee cords, said if someone had come to get him he had a plan to escape. He was going to break the window of the hotel room and basically rappel out of the hotel. Did she, quite understandably, hightail it out of there . No. She chose to stay. Reporter stay the night . She did. Reporter meanwhile, the lead detective called in reenforcements and pretty soon some of the boring of all police work paid off. A deputy borrowed from investigation pored through hours of Security Camera footage taken from the scherers country club. Finally, there it was, a red camaro approaching the home on march 7th and exiting march 8th, just when the murders were thought to have occurred. A red chevy camaro with a black top. Isnt that the same make, model and color of Ernie Scherers car . Sure looked like it. Trouble was they couldnt see the license plate or the drivers face. Could have been coincidence. And even that, the car and the other evidence they gathered, wouldnt be enough to persuade a d. A. To file murder charges. So the cops brought everything they knew to the forgotten woman in our story, ernies wife robyn. She had been left behind when ernie took off a couple of weeks after the murders. When she saw what investigators had, she was not only ready to divorce ernie, she told police she would help them by attempting to bluff the poker player. Hello . Hi hi how are you . Detectives recorded this phone call in which she tells ernie about the video but chooses to embellish the facts a bit, telling him his face was visible. The video was sent to a studio, like disney or something and it was enhanced. It looks like you in your car and theyre basically saying you were there friday night. Were you in the bay area on friday night . Because i thought you were driving back home and theres this video that they have and it clearly looks like its your car. Reporter and then . A long pause. Hello . Im here. Im just drinking. Theres a video like from someones house or something . House in castlewood . What kind of video is it . No. Its going into the country club area. Going into the country club area. Uhhuh. And it looks like your car and looks like you in it. You can you can see the face of the driver . Yes. Were you there . And if you were no. You better have an explanation as to why you were there. Are you lying to me . I understand why youre asking the question. And obviously you know, the police are listening to this phone call, im assuming. Right . I guess. I have no idea. Reporter and in this game of poker, it was hard to say who was playing whom. In the end, there was no smoking gun, but was ernie spooked a little . Was that why he reached out again to adrienne solomon with this request . Im really hoping we can end up back together. Reporter he told her, said adrienne, he was thinking of changing his lifestyle, quitting poker if only shed take him back. But she was a different adrienne now. I think i kind of felt more powerful in that conversation than i had with him in a long time because i know that i dont trust a single word that he says. Reporter meanwhile, back in vegas, detectives learn days before the murders Ernie Scherer had made an unusual request of this man, david mock. He asked me if i would do something slightly illegal for 300. Reporter david is a professional piano player in vegas. He says, im looking to get a gun because im a professional gambler and i carry a lot of money. I thought, no, im not going to do that. Reporter and investigators discovered ernie also asked davids performance partner to buy him a gun and offered another friend 50,000 to point the finger of suspicion away from ernie and toward someone else. And even if none of it was definitive, it all added up and it looked bad for ernie. And so, finally, nearly a year after the murders, the Alameda County d. A. Made the decision to roll the dice. It was february 2009. Kimberly olsen was at home with ernie in their las vegas apartment. There was a knock on the door and ernie answered the door. I came out and there were fbi agents with guns drawn. Reporter Ernie Scherer was charged with two counts of murder. And Kimberly Olsen thought the whole world had gone crazy. Hes a poker player and he had made his mistakes obviously with the women in his life. But thats a very far jump from being a poker player to murdering your parents. Reporter but back home in North Carolina, when adrienne solomon heard about ernies arrest did you believe he could have done such a thing . I believed he could have. And for me that was enough. Reporter a trial date set, even though the mystery dna at the crime scene was never identified, even though not one piece of direct evidence connected ernie to any murder weapon or those mysterious nike footprints. Remember, they were consistent with a size 12, and ernie wore 9 1 2 or 10. And you knew one of the lines that was coming had to be a defense attorney couldnt resist it if those shoes dont fit, you must acquit. Absolutely. And a jury might just look at that. And that went through my mind several times. Reporter and then someone noticed that little piece of paper right there. What was that . Coming up so that was a shot in the dark. Absolutely. And it hit its mark, a bulls eye. Im thinking, thats the ending of the book. But does the gambler have one more bluff in store . The blade quality youd expect from gillette. At a price you wouldnt. The new gillette3 gillette5. Available now for 7. 99 gillette. The best a man can get. With tripadvisor, finding your Perfect Hotel at the lowest price. Is as easy as dates, deals, done simply enter your destination and dates. And see all the hotels for your stay tripadvisor searches over 200 booking sites. To show you the lowest prices. So you can get the best deal on the right hotel for you. Dates, deals, done tripadvisor. 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And thats when they saw it, something quite odd. They came across a piece of paper that we had come across that had blood droplets on it. Reporter just one small piece of paper that one of the detectives picked up from the bloody scene a few feet from the bloody body of Ernie Scherer. It was a warranty for a baseball bat. But they searched the entire area. One thing they didnt find was a baseball bat. They thought it was odd, for 60yearolds to have a Warranty Card for a baseball bat. Reporter not just any baseball bat but a nike baseball bat. With the nike swoosh, just like the one that was in the blood on the floor from the sneakers. Were they on to something here . So they kind of backtracked. Was there any nike store where we had him getting gas and a hamburger . They found across the street a nike outlet store. So that was just kind of a shot in the dark. Absolutely. There it was, a nike outlet store in primm, nevada, just feet from the gas station and the mcdonalds where ernie used plastic to buy gas and food, maybe 12 hours before the murder. Possible hitch . Ernie did not use a credit card at this or any other nike store that day. So maybe he didnt buy a baseball bat to use on his parents. Unless did he use cash in order to hide a purchase at nike . One of the d. A. s investigators asked nike to Check Purchase records for march 7, 2008. And, as they say in vegas, jackpot. At 11 38 a. M. , just before ernie used his credit card at the mcdonalds and the gas station, there was a cash purchase at the nike outlet, one pair of size 12 nike impact tomahawk sneakers, a baseball bat and junior match soccer gloves. Im thinking, even the most skeptical jury in the world has to realize, put it all together, the book is just finished. Thats the ending of the book. Reporter in january 2011 the Alameda County prosecutor told jurors that Ernest Scherer iii was a narcissistic sociopath who savagely murdered his parents in pure blood. Hes sheer evil, he thinks hes smarter than everyone. Reporter heavily in debt and desperate for money, ernies house of cards was collapsing before his eyes, said the prosecutor, so he killed his parents for the money. For his inheritance. Even ernies own family unanimously turned against him, including Ernest Scherer senior, ernests grandfather who took the stand on his 95th birthday to testify against his grandson, his namesake. And once again adrienne had a date to see ernie, in court. They asked you to testify. They did. It was overwhelming and terrifying. Reporter adrienne told the jury about ernies two years of deception, the double life, all those lies. I made it a point not to look at him during the entire time i was in the room and during the entire testimony. Reporter was it enough for the jury . Ernies defense jumped to the task, arguing the evidence, the red chevy camaro, the dead cell phone around the time of the murders, asking his friends to buy a gun, all of that could have been simply coincidence. It could be explained away. And, besides, said the defense, there was actual physical evidence to prove someone other than ernie committed the crime, that speck of unidentified dna found in one of those bloody shoe prints at the crime scene. The prosecution argued it was just a mistake, contamination. But did it point to the real killer . As for the socalled jackpot evidence, the cash purchase of the nike sneakers and baseball bat and gloves . Who knows who bought those, said the defense, but it wasnt ernie. Anyway, those nike sneakers were a size 12, he wore a 10 or 9 1 2. Proves he didnt do. And the prosecution had only this on that point he is very proficient at misinformation and disinformation. And i think he intentionally bought shoes that were too large for him. Ernie scherer took the stand himself, sat up there for the better part of seven days, confident, often smiling, and claiming it was his lifestyle the prosecution put on trial. He was human, he made mistakes like everybody else does, but it doesnt make him a monster. Reporter would he convince the jury . I think it goes back to him thinking, im at a table and theres all kinds of chips in the middle of the table, and you know what . I bluffed some of the best. These 12 people . Theyre nothing compared to some of the poker players that ive bluffed so im going to give it my best. Reporter the jury stayed out for 2 1 2 days. We spoke with one of the 12 jurors who deliberated and an alternate who sat through the case. The defense would argue that in a way the prosecution put this mans lifestyle on trial. I mean, he was raised as a mormon somebody should. Somebody should . Yeah. All other things being equal, his lifestyle counted against him. Reporter but, of course, all things were not equal. And though a couple of jurors held out for a while, in the end it came down to this. Too many coincidences. Way too many. Because, taken by themselves, they could be explained. They could be. Yeah. But you put them all together . Doesnt work. Reporter and so Ernest Scherer iii was found guilty. Two counts of firstdegree murder, two consecutive life sentences, no parole. His sister katherine, daughter of the victims, spoke publicly for the first time outside the courtroom. Hard to have to talk about my parents and the loss. Theyre no longer with me at all. It does tear me up. Do you feel justice was served . I dont know. Its hard. Its hard to admit that anybody could do Something Like that. Reporter and adrienne solomon, the onetime teacher of the flying trapeze, the woman who thought she had learned a thing or two about reading people, still wonders why she just didnt see it. I dont trust my judgment and i dont trust other people are telling the truth. And thats hard. I wonder if youll ever get that back. I dont know. Im sure over time everythings been getting better. But im still not ready to be trusting of everyone so easily. Thats all for this edition of dateline. She was crying and crying. I said, whats wrong . And she says, debbies dead. We all wanted to believe it was an accident, theres no possible way he could do this on purpose. Reporter a dark house. A husband with a gun. A wife dead on the floor. Make sure that she is still breathing. I dont think she is. Damn it reporter there was no question who killed her. The mystery was, why