Reporting that trumps daughter and soninlaw are trying, perhaps, to push mike pence off the 2020 ticket. All of it as the 11th hour gets under way on this thursday night. Well, good evening once again from our nbc news headquarters in new york. Day 959 of the Trump Administration and we are tracking Hurricane Dorian as it crawls up the coast of the carolinas, where the folks there are just starting a long night. The National Hurricane center has just released its 11 00 p. M. Eastern time update. Our own meteorologist bill karins will have the new forecast specifics at the board for all of us in moments. The headline right now, dorian still a category 2 hurricane, sustained winds at the core of 120 miles an hour, gusts to more than that. Center of the storm just off the coast of wilmington, North Carolina. Forecasters still warning of lifethreatening storm surge, dangerous winds all along the carolinas. Were approaching a high tide, just after 1 00 a. M. Eastern time tonight. That will affect many of the places in the path of this storm. These were the conditions several hours ago. This is 34 miles off the coast of cape fear, North Carolina, on the Old Coast Guard light tower and helipad known as the frying pan, as the storm closed in and old glory was struggling to hang on. And look at this graphic. This is the go satellite image from noaa of dorian as the sun set tonight. It shows just how massive this system is. Put it this way. If you live in boston, new york, west virginia, western pennsylvania, its cloudy where you are tonight all because of this one huge storm. From florida to maine, the cloud cover stretches along the east coast now. While the hurricanes eye has remained offshore, the storm has already caused so much damage in the carolinas. Charleston was battered, heavy wind and rain today. Parts of the already lowlying city saw heavy flooding from the storm surge. Multiple tornadoes also reported in both north and South Carolina. This video taken in north birlt bea myrtle beach, South Carolina today. Were also still following the increasingly dire situation in the northern bahamas tonight. The death toll there now stands at 30, but its feared to be in the hundreds if not worse. There is catastrophic damage on the abaco islands, hard hit by the category 5 storm over the weekend. Remember, it was parked over them for days. And the situation for survivors there grows more desperate by the hour. Our own Morgan Chesky was able to make it to the battered Great Abaco Island today. Will he join us with a full report in a few minutes. As we mentioned, the new National Hurricane center forecast is just out. For that, we have our own meteorologist, bill karins, who is extending his day into our broadcast tonight. Hey, bill. Thanks, brian. The new advisory is in. No big surprises. We continue to watch the storm moving right along the coast. Weve been saying that, what, four days now . This is the eighth day in a row weve been calling this Hurricane Dorian. We have about 12 hours left, then it will move past the outer banks. Up to this point, i would say most people in the carolinas, in florida and georgia would say this has been a minor hurricane, you know. Well wait and see tonight as we get a possible landfall. It has one little punch left for the outer banks. 100mileperhour winds, maximum sustained. Possibility we could get gusts of 110, 115. Were finally moving this thing. Northeast at 13 miles per hour. Its going to begin to accelerate toward Morehead City and outer banks. In about 12 hours it will be past cape hatteras. In the hurricane center, had it making landfall Morehead City to cape lookout, beaufort area. Now theyve shifted it a little offshore. Were not even guaranteed that were definitely going to get that landfall. Doesnt matter as much. Only reason to be concerned about that is some of the strongest winds are right in the core of the eye. 90mileperhour winds 6 00 to 8 00 a. M. In the morning, weakening down to a category 1. Outer banks can deal with a category 1. Theyre used to getting hit by these storms once every four years and the building codes are very strict. I would not see a lot of wind damage from a category 1 on the outer banks. Myrtle beach has been in the 50s for hours. Its like a Tropical Storm that will never end. No extreme winds. Wilmington, not bad at all. Youre only at 43mileperhour winds. Notice we keep saying the core of the storm. This one buoy gusted to 80 miles an hour. That would be enough to do damage if it was on land. The core is offshore. Well have to see if this band of heavy rain on the outside of it will rotate inland later. Youre 48 to 55, maybe scattered power outages. Throughout the night, this is paused at 6 00 a. M. We have that path south of this region, the heaviest stuff heading up toward cape hatteras. We could still get gusts 75 to 95 miles an hour. By the time we get to about 10 00 a. M. , it will start to head out to sea. Still obviously some very heavy rain. As you go throughout the night tonight, how much ray rain falls, how quickly, and do we get that flash flooding with this storm . Brian, i would say overall, especially when you see whats happened in the bahamas, were faring pretty well. As the storm continues to weaken, and i think theres a lot of people are thankful it wasnt worse. Were not done. Well wait and see if we get that landfall overnight. Bill karins will be with us as part of his live extended coverage. Thank you for that. 11 00 p. M. Update. For the latest on the storms impact right now, lets go to one of the places we just mentioned. Wilmington, North Carolina. Nbc news correspondent cal perry is there, standing by for us. It looks like youre getting the precip that was promised. Three inches of rain in the last three hours has officials a little bit concerned. Im undercover here. 46mileanhour winds, not bad, like bill karins said. Not a lot of dramatics here from this live shot location. Look, part of the story here, brian, is two hurricanes in less than a year for wilmington. It was a year ago next week when we saw Hurricane Florence come. And thats been instrumental in how people have prepared for this storm. A number of people have chosen to stay in wilmington. A year ago, the flooding went on the interstate. The city was cut off for four days. This city became an island, separated from the rest of the state that. Is on the minds of people who couldnt get back to their homes a year ago, which is why weve seen not only boarded up stores, but a lot of people staying. Not out of the woods just yet. Officials still want people to hunker down, but clearly as we get more and more news out of the bahamas, it seems as though this storm, staying offshore, is certainly good news for wilmington and the county. As cal pointed out this is not their first rodeo, hurricane coming up the coast for them concerned. With dorian continuing to track north, we want to hear more about the damage that the storm left behind in South Carolina. Weve been talking about that for two days. On the phone with us tonight, the mayor of myrtle beach, Brenda Bethune. Mayor, tell us about your trees, your power lines, your streets. And because we have to ask this, has anyone there done anything stupid or have people heeded the warnings . Well, im assuming youre asking about the stupid part because of the red jeep found in the ocean along the beach. There was that today. Brian, we actually fared very well in myrtle beach. We experienced a lot of wind, more than expected rain, but you know, what we were used to with Hurricane Florence last year, we didnt have the flooding that was surrounding us and we were very grateful for that. We actually did very, very well. We have crews that are already out, assessing the damage and cleanup crews are lined up to get out first thing in the morning and get our beaches back up and open for visitors to come. It was eerie. I saw some live reporting from myrtle beach on the eve of the storm. People who dont know myrtle beach, its a place where you can have just about the most fun on the east coast and this, however, this week after the labor day weekend, it was absolutely empty. And im imagining youre proud of the fact that you did heed the warnings and you got people out of harms way, especially these tornadoes were looking at. Absolutely. People paid attention to the governors request. Actually, the governors order. Thats very rare for here. We get so used to these storms coming that we take it for granted sometimes that it wont be as bad as what were told. But this time, people did leave, and especially our visitors. And we are very grateful for that. But now were ready to recover and get back to normal, open our doors back up and help those around us who did not fare so well. Okay. You mentioned the jeep. I wasnt going to say anything. But it was one of the images we watched on cable news this morning and into this afternoon. What have you been able to find out about how it is a perfectly good vehicle ended up on a stretch of your beach . That someone got a whim to drive on the beach, check it out before the storm and they ended up driving in an area that had been washed out and got stuck, and that is exactly why we dont allow vehicles on the beach. Well put. Everyone is safe except for if youre put it this way. If youre looking at the used car market and find a really good deal on a slightly used, dampseaming red jeep, ask questions about the vin number. Mayor, thank you. We are so glad that myrtle beach appears to have weathered this and we will repeat your plea to our viewers that in short order myrtle beach will be open for business. Mayor Brenda Bethune on the back end here of this Hurricane Dorian for them. And as dorian lashes the carolina coast to the political intersection of this story, we go. President trump is now on day five of insisting Hurricane Dorian was on a path to hit alabama. Late this afternoon, rear admiral peter brown, who is trumps counterterrorism and Homeland Security adviser think about that for a moment said he briefed the president multiple times on sunday about dorians arrival, issued a statement appearing to take the blame for trumps warnings, certainly giving the president muchneeded air cover. And we quote. I showed the president the official National Hurricane center forecast, which included the cone that projects the potential path of the eye of the storm. The president s comments were based on that mornings Hurricane Dorian briefing, which included the possibility of Tropical Storm force winds in southeastern alabama. In fact, from the evening of tuesday, august 27th until the morning of monday, september 2nd, the forecast from the National Hurricane center showed the possibility of Tropical Storm winds hitting parts of alabama. Trump defended himself five times on twitter just today, insisting he was right all along about alabama, which thankfully has been spared tonight, thanks to the president s quick action. Here for our leadoff discussion on a thursday evening, three top reporters covering this white house. Ashley parker of the Washington Post, Jonathan Lamere of the Associated Press and nancy of politico. Welcome to you both. Ashley, whats left to say about this except what your newspaper has added to the reporting tonight . This is in the Washington Post and they say flatly by the way this is the work of two of your colleagues. It was trump who used a black sharpie to mark up an official noaa map, which he displayed during an oval Office Briefing on wednesday. According to a white house official who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss internal deliberations. No one else writes like that on a map with a black sharpie, the official said of the map, which added alabama into the hurricanes potential pathway inside the loop of the marker. Ashley, we said this last night. This is minor in the scope of the u. S. Presidency. This isnt family separation. It is far short of a declaration of war, but this is another one of those firsts and, as they say, as they said in the 60s holds true today, the whole world is watching. Thats true. When we first saw that doctored map, there was a lot of suspicion that it was the president who had doctored it. The sharpie in that sort of big scrawl is his trademark. Thats what we reported this evening. And to sort of give you a sense of the mood inside the west wing and how officials are handling this, on the one hand when that map was shown, they had taken it and put it sort of behind where the president was. This wasnt something they wanted him to broadcast to the world. And he was top of mind, he asked for it to be brought back up and showed it. But again i was over at the white house today and, look, white house aides would tell you privately, they wish the president would stop tweeting about alabama. Its not particularly helpful. But this is also, at this point, somewhat routine. There was not panic or mayhem or scrambling. It was basically business as usual against the backdrop of the president making what initially seemed to be a wellintentioned but honest mistake, and then doubling, tripling, quadrupling, octoupling down on it. What do white house aides make of the president s choice to keep this issue alive and bubbling on and perhaps what it means were not talking about and covering . Thats right. To follow up on ashleys point, this story was born of an innocent mistake, corrected by the National Weather service, remains a pretty extraordinary thing. It could have died just then and there. It was labor day weekend, didnt have much media attention. The story would have ended there spl weve never seen the National Weather service feel the need to correct a sitting president in the history of the organization. Another norm shattered by this administration. I think nine times, whatever that might be, he is still keeping this alive. There is some frustration, as ashley said, of people around him. Plenty of people are just rolling their eyes, too, but i dont think we want to lose sight of something here. On one hand this is sort of a silly story and its a president who can never admit a mistake, who has said, written in his books and has preached this in practice, never saying he was sorry, never saying i was wrong. The president s words matter. Any president s words matter, whether in a tweet or declaration in the oval office. They move markets, can rattle Global Markets and potentially frighten people who live in a state that wasnt in any danger from this hurricane. Weve seen time and time again that after he says something, he then sort of relies on government resources. He calls upon the power of the white house to almost reverse engineer what he said into reality, to try to cover for him. We saw it with he claimed there were millions of illegal voters in 2016. He rigged an Election Commission to look into it. It didnt find any evidence of that. When he declared that he had the largest attendance of any inauguration, he made sean spicer go out there and lie from the podium. He made sean spice r do that again from that latenight tweet. To release a memo, taking the blame and giving the president cover for what was simply a mistake. Nancy cook, somewhere theres an elderly couple tonight scared out of their wits, without power on a windy, rainy night on the coast of North Carolina, perhaps in a single wide that is rocking back and forth. No words from the president about the victims of this storm, the grievous, rising death toll to our neighbors 50 miles to our east in the bahamas. Also somewhere tonight theres a Trump Campaign official trying to chart a course, realizing that its the daily grievance that we are covering. Its the daily grievance that sooner or later passes for the direction of a presidency. I think that that came up several times in conversations i was having today with people about this story, just that the president , as you said, did not acknowledge the people who had died in the bahamas, did not acknowledge the devastation there. Some of the senior station officials i spoke to today did talk about that. That wasnt top of mind to the president. He was really tweeting and retweeting and doubling down on this whole alabama controversy. And i talked to the president of the union, of the National Weather service organization, who represents hurricane forecasters, and this person was making the point to me, you know, its very dangerous when the president is sending out mixed messages on the path of a hurricane. Its just very confusing. The president needs to support the National Weather service and their factbased evidence that showed very clearly throughout the day that the hurricane was moving towards the carolinas, South Carolina and North Carolina, and was nowhere near alabama. And by continuing to draw attention to alabama, the president was, in a way, both undermining the National Weather service but also just confusing people whoglued to twitter or the tv and maybe a supporter of the president and is,000 confused about what is actually happening and whether they need to evacuate. As a weather matter, as we look at this storm, if you are in the path of this tonight, tornadoes are spinning off, traveling across land between 40 and 50 miles an hour, roughly the speed a car drives. If youre in the path of one of those, youve got to hope that the National Weather service is there and on your side and warning you as far in advance as humanly possible to save human lives tonight into tomorrow. Well pause our conversation at this point. Ashley parker, Jonathan Lamere, nancy cook, youll stay with us over this break. Paradise left. Bahamas in a state of shock and recovery where it feels as if the death toll is going to jump in a significant way. Well have a report from one of our correspondents on the ground there next. Later, we mentioned this as well. Mike pence, a man of loyalty bordering on seeming adoration for his boss, but will trump keep him on the ticket Going Forward . New reporting, asking new, uncomfortable questions about that, just ahead, at 11th hour on a special edition of our broadcast just Getting Started on this thursday night. Lets be honest, you need insurance. But its not really something you want to buy. Its not sexy. Oh delicious. Or delicious. Or fun. But since you need both car and home insurance, why not bundle them with esurance and save up to 10 . 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Add the Sports Entertainment package for nfl redzone. Click, call, or visit a store today to learn more. What did you live through . A nightmare, thats all i could tell people. I lived on abaco all my life. Ive been through hurricane which was a 5 also but i tell people this was like a 10. I mean, everything is gone. Theres nothing left. Our standing, theres not much left to it. The structures are some are standing. Some are completely gone. In the mainland, marsh harbor, i understand hundreds and hundreds of people are dead. I still dont have family members that are accounted for yet. Simply put, as we said here last night, the bahamas will never be the same. The stories coming out of the abaco islands in the northern bahamas, as you saw right there, heartbreaking, chilling. As we mentioned, the death toll in the bahamas officially at 30. That is widely expected to rise. Several reporters said today they are personally aware of much higher numbers. Theyre just yet unconfirmed by the bahamian government. Dorian was parked over the bahamas for the better part of two days. Abaco islands have suffered catastrophic damage. People there who are desperate. People who are dying, waiting for help. For the very latest on conditions in the bahamas, we go live to nassau. Thats where we find nbc news correspondent Morgan Chesky, who has been on Great Abaco Island today. Morgan, ive got to tell you, ive been there. We were there as recently as this spring. We have friends there. The abaco islands are one of the most Beautiful Spots on earth. The bahamian people are extraordinary and none of us can believe what were seeing and were just gurding in advance of the news of this rising death toll. Reporter brian, i imagine if you were to go back there today, it would be tough to pick out the places that were very recognizable before. We had a chance to land at marsh harbor airport just hours after it reopened because it had been covered by water for the past several days, and upon touching down at that airport, one of the first things we saw were dozens upon dozens of people lining all of those airport buildings, most of them uninjured, but everyone simply having nowhere else to go, and trying to get any way they could off the island. I had a chance to speak to several people there, who say they have been waiting there for hours, others days because all they have is what they were wearing on their bodies at that time. Time and time again, when we ask people what the storm had done to their community, they said it took away everything. We then made our way into the town of marsh harbor, and we were greeted by the site of a clinic which had become a shelter. Hundreds were gathered around that area. So many people were able to ride the storm out inside. At this point in time, its essentially become a place for people to wait and hope they can receive help of any kind. When i asked people if supplies that had been arriving from the government, they said maybe so but certainly not where they were at this point in time. One of the most frustrating conversations i had, heartfelt rather, was with a family of four. And a mother was holding her 2yearold son, describing what the conditions have been like there in marsh harbor over the past several days. Take a listen. Theres nom marsh harbor. Nothing . Nothing. Our house is gone. Our clothes are gone. No food to eat. No water to bathe. Reporter it is tough to hear that from one person after another. The official report is about 50 of the buildings on the greater abaco island and neighboring grand bahama have been damaged or destroyed. I would say thats a low number, witnessing the sheer devastation we saw today in marsh harbor. A lot of areas still inaccessible. People doing what they can to move on, but realizing the sheer task theyre now faced with will no doubt take years to recover from. Power is still out on the majority of the island. We know that clean water, hard to come by. If its not coming in bottled water being dropped off by relief groups, people dont really know where to get t this time tonight people are there, sleeping under trees, under whatever shelter they can, because dorian has simply taken away everything from them on that island. Morgan, thank you for your reporting. You are so right. All of us who love the place have been scanning aerial pictures, looking for landmarks that appear familiar to us. In many cases, they are just gone. Morgan chesky reporting from the bahamas tonight. Many people have asked how to help, where to give. Well put up a number for red cross. Team rubicon, u. S. Military veterans landed a team there starting yesterday. Theyll be going back to help. Morgan chesky from the bahamas. 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Ive more than fulfilled my promises, even they said he promised things that he actually produced more than he promised. Thats true. But were going to produce more and more. Well, about that, tonight there are signs trumps road to reelection may be rougher than he is anticipating. New york times reporting, quote, President Trump heads into the closing months of the year without a clear policy agenda and an uphill path to achieving any major new accomplishments before he faces voters. Over a summer dominated by his personal attacks on democratic lawmakers, the news immediate and his trade showdown with china, mr. Trump spent little time clarifying his positions on several important agenda items that could bolster his record. Politico looked at Trumps Campaign operation, noted what it described as, quote, a tangled web of unresolved issues he promises to sort out during a second term. Yahoo news reports on the relationship between trump and his Vice President , quote, behind the scenes, tensions have been mounting among trump, pence and their top advisers ever since the gops resounding losses in the 2018 midterms. Remember those. In the week afterward, trump asked aides about replacing pence on the ticket. He asked again for their thoughts on pence during his august vacation at his golf course in bedminster, new jersey. In particular, rumors that kushner and ivanka trump wanted to consider replacements for pen pence, specifically trying to find a woman running mate to help win back the suburbs in 2020 have worried the Vice President s camp. Last month, as trump was leaving the aforementioned resort in bedminster, trump branded to return, of course, to washington, he offered these words of praise for his Vice President. I think mike pence has been an outstanding vp. I think that he has been incredible in terms of the love that a lot of people, especially if you look at the evangelicals and so many others, they really have a Great Respect for our Vice President. And so do i. And so do, i think, most people. Back with us to talk about all of it, ashley parker, Jonathan Lamere and nancy cook. Ashley, how much faith should anyone put in that endorsement right there, even this loyal, some would say pliant Vice President. Is that loyalty there until its not . Thats exactly right. As anyone who works for this president knows, things can change in a second or with a tweet. That said, my understanding is that while there are these flareups between the president and the Vice President s camps, quite frankly, more so between the two men, the president will sometimes wonder, you know, when pence is going out and doing a good job, voters for the reelection, is he doing too good of a job . Is he doing that for his own benefit . Those simmer under the surface and do exist but on the whole again, anything can change. The president and Vice President have a very warm relationship. The men talk multiple times a day. The president will sometimes sort of dismiss the Vice President but its always said to be in a jokey kind of friendly manner, not actually con desce condescending. So far, mike pence has managed that fine line incredibly well, to be a consonant number two, understudy, not to steal the spotlight himself. To do a good job but not too good of a job that he becomes threatening to the number one. The one name we havent mentioned is nikki haley, who would qualify as media darling status. That would be a big story, if there was a switchup in the ticket. She put out a statement about the eventuality, the possibility of that. I think people have put the theory to rest. Going forward with mike pence and donald trump, whats the Bumper Sticker for 2020 as it is right now . First on ambassador haley, youre right. That was an oddly timed statement a few weeks ago. There had been a few rumors months ago when she left the position of ambassador as someone who the president might eye if he were looking to replace Vice President pence. There werent any stories this time around when nikki haley raised this idea to dismiss it again. That caught a lot of peoples attention. What ashley has said is certainly the president is known to just use out loud about things all the time, including outlandish suggestions. That doesnt mean hes serious. He has polled his advisers about pence in the past. There doesnt seem to be any serious movement, at least right now, to replace him. That could indeed change in a tweet. Pence has been a loyal foot soldier. He is the pres bridge to the evangelical community, popular among some rank and file republicans who might hold their nose at some of the president s personal behavior, divisive rhetoric. Pence is a more traditional republican. What he and i think thats what people around the president still feels like he adds to the ticket Going Forward. But its also a campaign thats running on really no new ideas here, no legislative agenda coming out this fall short of trying to get the new nafta through, usmca, some sort of guns package, probably not a robust one. And, of course, the president is looking to come forward with some sort of agreement with china to resolve this trade war. Thats the real concern, if that cant get resolved and the economy keeps slowing down, hes in real trouble no matter who his Vice President is. Nancy cook, lets take that last point and talk about it. What do they do, god forbid, if the economy goes south . I think thats a huge concern inside the white house and a question ive been asking a lot of officials this last week. I think that the white house is desperately searching for some sort of silver bullet, some sort of policy lever that they can pull out if the economy does go south either through the trade war or just as an effect of the fwloebl economic slowdown, just an aftermath of that. I dont think theres agreement among top economic officials in the white house on what that would actually look like. And i think that its a little terrifying for some of them, because, you know, they want to be able to pull out something and show that they have a plan if the economy sours. And so much of trumps Reelection Campaign is pitched and hinged on the economy. You know, its something that trump and his advisers feel like he can talk about. And its something that even the Campaign Officials are sort of saying, well, if you dont like his tweets, you dont like his rhetoric. You dont like the fact that he focused on alabama all week, at least can you like the economy. If the economy sours, that talking point for them really goes away. With our thanks tonight for participating in our discussion with all the many stories weve been covering, ashley parker, Jonathan Lamere, nancy cook. Thank you, all three of you, for coming on the broadcast tonight. A long night just beginning for our friends in the carolinas. Well talk to one of the towns in the thick of it tonight when we come back. I mean, if you havent thought about switching to geico, frankly, youre missing out. Uh. The mobile app makes it easy to manage your policy, even way out here. Your marshmallows. Get digital id cards, emergency roadside service, even file a. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa oops, that cheeky little thing got away from me. My bad. Geico. Its easy to manage your policy whenever, wherever. Can i trouble you for another marshmallow . But super poligrip gives him a tight seal. Snacking can mean that pieces get stuck under mikes denture. To help block out food particles. So he can enjoy the game. Super poligrip. Hurricane dorian is ready to unleash its fury on our state. Get to safety and stay there. Dont let your guard down. This wont be a brush by. Whether it comes ashore or not, the eye of the storm will be close enough to cause extensive damage in North Carolina. As we said were going a couple of hours here tonight. And as part of that, were still tracking Hurricane Dorian as the storm makes its way up the North Carolina coast, along with heavy rain, winds, storm surge. Carolina has had to deal with a number of tornadoes, as we mentioned, from this system today. Trouble with those is how fast they were moving across the countryside. We are thankful to be joined by phone tonight by mayor joe benson of carolina beach, North Carolina. Mayor, knowing i was going to be talking to you, ive been watching your community as it relates to the location of the eye. The storm has now gone from alongside of you to slightly to your northeast, it looks like, meaning your wind direction has changed. Youre now getting it from the north and the west, but wur in the thick of those rain band ba are you not . Thats exactly right, brian. Thanks for having me. Its good to get the word out to those who dont live on the island but have homes and property here. The eye has moved, as you said, north sbeest of us. Im in my house boarded up. I can hear sheets of rain but theyre now coming from the north as opposed to pounding the house from the east thats a good indication, as you said, its moving along and im good with that. When was the last beach replenishment your community has . Have you had sand added in recent years . Great question. Yes. It was completed in march of this year. The dunes are very healthy, frontal dunes and primary dunes, very healthy. High tide is about an hour and a half, the next high tide. We were real hopeful that those strong dunes will prevent any tidal overwatch. And thats the purpose of that replenishment, is to protect the towns infrastructure oar, private public property and activity. Without those dunes this isnt the beach town that we all love so much down here. You mentioned the high tide. Weve all been talking about that, coming up after 1 00 a. M. Eastern time. Had this storm been delayed by two hours and was pumping from east to west into your community as opposed to coming out the other way, all that water would have nowhere to go except to well up in your town. Yeah. You should shude ee eer at the what a difference makes. Inundating rains with florence, 28. The governor knows it real well. You know, his outstanding leadership then and now, getting out ahead of this. We knew we would have winds. We really hoped this thing would move along as the meteorologist said it would, and it has moved quicker. Another hundred inches of rain this year, another twofoot storm. You cant sustain any of those. Carolina beach for those that dont know, one of the prettiest spots on the east coast, as is so much of the real estate were talking about this storm covering. Mayor joe benson, we realize its a sporting night for you guys down there. Thank you very much for joining us by telephone. Here is to hoping that with the break of day, things are better than you had expected come through in the end. Again, mayor joe benson, carolina beach, North Carolina. Coming up, this hurricane is not the first destructive hurricane of the donald trump era or presidency. He deals with these storms, however, unlike any president before him and likely after him. 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As we said to want, were doing an extended edition of our broadcast as we cross the top of the hour into midnight here on the east coast, so begins day 960 of the Trump Administration right at this moment. We are still tracking Hurricane Dorian as it moves along the North Carolina coast tonight, right now a category 2 storm. That means its packing winds of 100 miles an hour at the core. Forecasters stay it still is generating high winds, heavy rain, and will into the night and morning hours, including, lets not forget that storm surge along the coast. For the very latest, we go back again to our meteorologist, bill karins. Hey, bill. Were still waiting to see exactly if well get landfall or not. Thats the drama left with this storm am we have the inland heavy rain. Havent had