Our countrys best days lie ahead. There is nothing wrong in America Today that a change in leadership will not make happen. Doing it the best i can yeah doing the best i can i keep on doing it the best i can with that, rick perry becomes the 10th officially declared republican candidate for president. Im abby huntsman. As we come on the air, the gop field get larger again. Jeb bush nearly making it official on twitter with an announcement of his announcement that will come a week from monday. Donald trump and bobby jindal both making announcement after that. Hard to believe, but the field is significantly larger than it was four years ago. I was partial to the tall guy the left there. Perry entered that race as an instant frontrunner. This time hes just hoping he makes it on to the debate stage. Here with us with a rare appearance at the table is friend of the show, Jonathan Allen allen, chief political correspondent. Good to have you in person. Especially on a big day like today. Its awesome to be here. I loved the just the ten of us reel. Too many cooks. So true. 50 for whove can name what show that was the spinoff of. Can you answer it . I cannot. Thanks for asking the question what it was . Im not sure. I think it was growing pains. Thats what i was thinking snoun. You dont know . No. Thats why you get 50 for the answer. My favorite show, growing pains. I will say talking about rick perry, he is probably the most likeable guy in the field. Hes the person you do want to have a beer with. Theres a lot you can say about rick perry. As we say in politics First Impressions are everything. Last go round, he was everyones favorite in the beginning. He then had bumps in the road including the oops moment. I asked eliminate that defined the way i asked him if that defined the way people think about him. I dont worry about whether or not someones going to look at what occurred two years ago and define me. Whats being defined now is the future of america. Here he is hoping to make it on the debate stage. The poll numbers are not looking great for him. Why do you think hes running . I think hes got a good story to tell. As my colleague, pat iglesias, wrote for fox, the story of texas and its economy under him as governor was one of booming one of people moving to texas, the economy doing great. If you could tell the story, its a good one to tell. I think it gives him a position in the republican party. Hes a tried and true conservative on social issues. And one whos proven against the measurement of other governors, republican governors running, that hes been able to manage a pretty big state economy. The control room is telling us that just the ten of us was a spinoff of growing pains. Look at that buddy. Awesome. My youth. The song thats been playing in my head all day is bad blood by taylor swift why wouldnt it be . Because auto because of all the days jeb bush could okd announce an announcement a thing now, is the day that rick perry announced hes running for president. That bad blood goes back. They have to be frustrated. They dont like each other much. For bush he gets to rain on rick perrys parade. In addition his announcements coming two days after Hillary Clinton does her big rally on Roosevelt Island in new york. I think it will steal a Little Thunder from that. Then Hillary Clinton, i imagine well see her on television after that. There will be competition june 15th for Media Attention and voter attention. Jeb has had a rocky role. Hes had trouble separated himself from others in the pack in terms of polling. Instant expected . At the beginning he said you have to be willing to lose the primary to be able to win the general i think it will be one of his strengths in a general election is if hes able to keep the positions and win the republican primary. Hes still doing well still in front of everybody else. Weve learned that hes not the candidate many expect. And bush may be a better candidate than we thought he was at the time. Hes got charisma. We should wait and hear what happens, jeb bush declared before it happened. Now everyones reassessing. Maybe he was never a frontrunner at all. Another candidate looking to get traction brand new is Lindsay Graham. I give him credit. He is being very clear and specific about what his alternative Foreign Policy would be. Its scary, but hes outlining it. Listen. People are very interested in about what i would do not just how much i think obama sucks. I would take more troops into iraq around 10,000 thicken the security forces, id have more trainers advise on, aviation about tall advisers aviation battalions, i would get turkey, egypt, and saudi arabia and say okay were going into syria. Were going to take isil down and get rid of assad. I would go after them and pull the caliphate up by its roots. Credit for honesty. Hes saying more troops in iraq as if we havent tried that and said were going to get everyone together and go into syria further than we already are. Your thoughts on the political hunger for that policy in the republican primary. I think theres a real divide. Youve got Lindsay Graham i think some others in the republican party. You go look at dick cheney right now talking about bringing back the policies of the administration. You have a hawkish bent there. On the other side is rand paul saying weve got to be careful about what we do in terms of foreign engagement, who doesnt like authoritarianism in terms of domestic spying by the nsa. Theres a fights that the party will have over what the sole is. Whether it is this party of engagement or one that goes back almost 100 years the more isolationist wing making a comeback i would quibble. I appreciate your analysis, youre definitely right about this split. I dont think not starting a new ground war in syria makes you isolationist. Im using stereotypical polls. Theres a wariness among republicans that there wasnt 10 or 12 years ago about war. I think Lindsay Graham is someone who has yet to meet a foreign engagement that he did not like. Thats a problem for him. And i think i would hope that if he had the chance to take it back he would not use the s word about the president. Indeed. I totally agree. Even if youre critical theres a certain level of respect that you have to show. Other side, hrc, at the historically black college near houston. And talking about expanding Voting Rights to a minimum of 20 days. An interesting suggestion. And this following her stance on mass incarceration make me say she understands that black voters are going to be a critical constituency, and that she has to reach out. She cannot take them for granted. Thats interesting. In 2007 in the senate she had a Voting Rights bill that would have done 50day window across the country for early voting. This is something consistent with her past. I think what youre seeing from Hillary Clinton now is her attempt to gather the democratic party. You see mass incarcerations, Voting Rights, expanding what the president s done on immigration. I think with the Roosevelt Island speech where shes talking about franklin roosevelt, there youve got the economic liberals of the democratic party. This is the gathering time. Shes trying to get ready for the big election get her ducks in a row. Thank you as always for being here. We appreciate it. We also want to shift gears to the foiled eded terror plots in boston. New details on who may have been among the aemged ed the alleged targets. Sarah, what can you tell us from boston . Reporter good afternoon. We now know that antimuslim activist Pamela Geller was the person Usaamah Rahim initially planned to target. Although authorities describe that as more just talk. More of a fantasy really. Instead on tuesday, rahim called dlafd david wright telling him he planned to go after the boys in blue referring to Law Enforcement in massachusetts, because it was the easiest target. He said he was going to go sclakz fbi agents took to mean that he was planning an attack a gee had on these Law Enforcement officers. Now david wright has been charged with encouraging rahim to destroy evidence specifically his cell phone. He advised him to not only delete information but be sure to smash the device as well. Wright appeared in court yesterday. In an interview after his arrest, he told Law Enforcement that he not only agreed with rahims plan but supported it as well. All of this laid out in court documents. Thard man has been questioned a third man has been questioned since tuesday by Law Enforcement. He participated in a conversation in person between rahim and wright last sunday on a beach in rhode island in inclimate weather. Hes not been charged with any crime. Meanwhile, rahims family is preparing to give a press conference in less than an hour outside the cvs store where he was shot and killed. They released a press release in advance of this urging calm in the Muslim Community and local community. Back to you. Thanks for that report. Coming up in the news cycle, more horrific headlines about the dead lead lion attack. A deadly lion attack. A start contrast between natures beauty and danger. The Discovery Channel bring a beautiful view from inside the animal kingdom. In sports the nbc finals tip off tonight. Pregame is here with espns dynamic duo of michael and jamel. Of course well spin about female viagra. Yeah. Hey, this is the cycle, where nothing is too taboo. 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We are learning new details this hour about that young woman killed in a lion attack while on a South African safari. 29yearold Katherine Chappell worked for a canadian production company. She did visual effects for the show game of thrones. She was originally from ryan, new york, outside of the city. She will be laid to rest there over the weekend. We have more from Stephanie Gosk on what weve learned from this tragic and horrifying incident. Reporter for 29yearold kate chappell, animal conservation was a passion. She hoped to make fame about the danger of poaching. On this trip she went by herself, leaving a boyfriend behind in vancouver. In an obituary her mother says everyone who met her loved her. She lived a life of adventure. She loved traveling. She was so much fun, always dwoik crack a joke. Quick to crack a joke. Reporter carmen met her at a special effects show in new york working together on scenes like these from the movie noah. Soon after she worked on the series game of thrones, winning an emmy. Youve got to be good to make it where she made it. Its true. She got to work at big places. Motion pictures, you dont get to just do that like, she was a talented girl. Reporter the lion park outside of johannesburg seemed an obvious stop for chappell. A chance to get close to the animals she loved. Despite park warnings chappells Tour Operator says she rolled down the window to take a picture. Australian Brandon Smith did the same thing in march. One of those things where you look around and you you think that youre in a safe spot to kind of quickly get that money shot. Reporter a lion attacked, jumping through the car window mauling his leg. In the last four months there have been three separate attacks in the same park. On wednesday, a director from a prominent animal Conservation Group said lion park is at least partly to blame. Lion park promotes petting and walking with wildlife. The impression is given that these animals are no longer wild but tame. The park promises an upclose and completely safe experience. But rules only work if they are followed. Thank you very much for that report. Incidents like this remind us that wild animals are, well, wild. A muchanticipated sixpart series premiering on discovery this weekend and n conjunction with the bbc proves that while the challenges arent the same as we humans face, life is a constant struggle. Theres a story that unites each of us with every animal on the planet. Its the story of the greatest of adventures the journey through life. For animals there is just one goal at the end of this journey to leave offspring. But this can be immensely difficult to achieve. Life story premieres saturday at 9 00 8 00 central on the Discovery Channel. Tom hugh jones is producer and director. Thank you very much for being with us. What an incredible film. Thank you very much. I have to say, the big takeaway as we were watching is how similar animals ranging from a whale to a spider are to humans. Whether it is the family bond or even sex. Yeah. All animals ourselves included are trying to achieve the ultimate goal, to raise the next generation. I guess for humans, its the exception not to make it that far. For animals, its generally the rule. You know the odds are against it incredible. Youre talking about mating success, critical for humans as well as animals. And its thrilling in your piece to see the lengths that animals will go to woo a mate. Well do whatever it takes to win a mate. Thats amazing footage. You see that and dont want to watch this, i dont know whats wrong with you. Tell us about how far animals will go to woo somebody. It fish insane. Incredible. Often some of the best new behaviors you find are a result of males desperately trying to get laid basically. Just like humans. Just like men. In nature the men have to do all the work. They have to be the showy ones they have to do all the displays. And that puffer fish was an extraordinary example. Hes building this sand castle under water to try and persuade a female to lay her eggs in the middle of it. She lays eggs in the middle . Yeah, and he has to stay and guard them. It is up to him to do most of the hard work. Amazing. I want to show more of the footage. You also follow a pride of lions. Lets look at that. All the lionesses have their own cubs who will be playplates and playmates and future allies. Under the females watchful eyes, she can prom tis her stalking, pouncing, and fighting skills. Theyre adorable super cute. Rolling around they look like big kittens. Then you explain that if their dad is displeased at the top of this pride the next male will come in and kill all of them and have new biebs not exactly like humans. A little more brutal. I think people assume because the lions are king of the beasts they have it easy. Actually, their society is incredibly bloody. A young lion cubs major problem is from other lions. Only about one in five make it to adulthood. One in five . Yeah. Wow. How did you get that you will footage . We spent a long time in the field. We went to 30 different countries. Probably spent at least two years out with different teams all over the world. Probably spending months at a time when you see a sequence at last for two or three minutes thats taken months to capture. Did you guys ever have a dangerous moment while you were filming . Yeah. We had quite a few dangerous moments. Trying to think of what the most i think the hard issue for the team is when they went to the congo jungle. The conditions were terrible. A member of the team got some serious illnesses, and theyre constantly battling against, you know parasites and that with animals attacking you or your team . I dont think anything us. As usual, the biggest dangers we faced were from people. Theres a lot of places we visit which kind of unsettle the moment. Well which type of animal hams it up the most for the l which animal hams it up for the camera the most . I think it was the puffer fish that you saw in the mating sequence. The red and yellow bird the display is great. Thank you very much. The Series Premieres saturday on discovery. Returning to dover delaware, the body of beau biden, a viewing this afternoon. The son of Vice President joe biden. Passed away at the he passed away at the age of 46 after a battle with brain cancer. President obama will deliver the eulogy saturday in wilmington. Your moms got your back. Your friends have your back. Your dogs definitely got your back. But whos got your back when you need legal help . We do. Were legalzoom, and over the last 10 years, weve helped millions of people protect their families and run their businesses. We have the right people onhand to answer your questions backed by a trusted network of attorneys. 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Cleveland hasnt had a pro sports champ in over 50 years. Oakland hasnt had one in over 25 years. New york hasnt had one in four years. Im dying meanwhile, the nhl is also down to two. The stanley cup finals began last night. Our executive Producers Team the Chicago Blackhawks, beat the Tampa Bay Lightning with a stunning third period comeback. And saturday will bring the Belmont Stakes where american pharaoh seeks to become the first horse to win the triple crown in 37 years. And the finals of the french open which Serena Williams will win yet again. To talk about all things sports we have two people i love and respect even though sometimes theyre doing too much. The hosts of espns his and hers, michael and jamel. Welcome. Thank you for having us. I want to hear from both of you, ladies first. Whos going to win the nba finals and why . Wow. Right out of the gate. For me this has been a really difficult decision. I mean mike and i have talked about it extensively, clearly during the layoff. Im going to go with the cavs. Thats strictly for one reason lebron james. Hes the best player our best player on the planet. And its actually a tough choice because golden state by every metric is the better team. But i think the cavs have the best player and considering how hes drug this team throughout the playoffs despite injuries, some other shortcomings why abandon him now . Dragging scrubs though thats a better team around lebron than people want to give him credit for. Ive got the warriors in six games. Jemele mentioned it. If are you checking off a box for advantages, every box is in the warriors favor except the one warriors favor except the one that says lebron. They have curry, practically unguardable. I think golden state is so versatile. Theyre really a good defensive team. We see the three pointers. Theyre a really good defensive team. Their home court advantage, when you get to this point both teams are capable of winning on the others floor. I dont see cleveland winning enough on golden states floor. I think its golden state, better team top to bottom. There will be no lebron will play well. He doesnt have enough help, even though theyre better than you give them credit for. Youre talking about what basketball fans call the l factor lebron. Theres a debate between whos better, lebron or michael. Michael, as we know had six championships. If lebron or the l factor can lead the injury hype uriddled championship the injuryriddled team to a championship by himself no, no, no. Buzzer the numberone Michael Jordan stand. Am i wrong . No, estimate point maybe lebrons not the player but at some point we have to let Michael Jordan go. Let him have his dad bod and hoop earring and jeans and let this man go. I dont know a lot about i dont know a lot about basketball, but if we have to let him go at some point, its still soon. We still talk about george washington, Thomas Jefferson still alive. Michaels still with us. We can lets him go when somebody comes and is better than him. I understand that. But heres the thing for all the people discussing, for everybody whos our age or around our age, hes still the poster on your wall. Hes still the not on mine. His shoes they remain relevant. Everybodys got the 11s and all that. Its hard for people to emotionally wrap themselves around somebody might be better. Its that as time goes on, people forget just how good Michael Jordan was, the allaround player. Yall wont let us forget. Mike, glad we solved this. The defensive player jordan was. Youre not that old. Our memories havent gone yet. Preach. A better player. So is larry bird too, thats another conversation. I want to talk a little hockey. Its down to the Chicago Blackhawks versus tampa lightning. The blackhawks now thinking about their legacy hoping to make in their third dealership in years. They stole the show on the lightnings home ice in taechblmpa. Would anyone be putting their money on the lightning . The lightning i think in the playoffs much like Serena Williams and the french toure mentioned that earlier they dropped the first game. I think 13 serenas first set. 13 in playoffs yet 30 in game twos they scored 17 goals, nine by the power play. I expect the lightning to bounce back from giving away a game they think they should have won in game one. The series especially in the stanley cup finals, they turned so quickly. I would not count the lightning out yet. Swlarnl we saw gaenchs the certainly what we saw against the rangers, i understand why you would say. That but the rangers super stars didnt show up. In this series, this is totally different. I think the blackhawks what we saw already was the definition of stealing one on the road. Tampa bay despite how good theyve been on the road again, particularly in the last series, i still feel like chicago, this is a different team. This is a superstar team. I think theyll win it. So jemele if people arent into hockey but want to watch the stanley cup finals, what should shea be watching for here . Should they be watching for here . The nhl playoffs in general knowing that just a bad bounce oh good bounce depending who youre rooting for can change a series. I think of all the professional sports its fair to say that home ice probably means the least. Yeah. Yeah. In the nhl, the unexpected a lot of times does happen despite what i said. I undermined my argument. I think the pace of the game, the fact one goal mean so much, one store, one chance, one opportunity. I think thats the excitement factor is what people should get into. Even though you dont respect jordan, still respect you. I want to hear what you have to say about saturday the belmont. There hasnt been a triple crown winner in abbys lifetime. She said she wants to know what thats like. Will we have one that. No. No. Dont hold your breath. No. They agree. Yeah. You might see another scene i think the owner california chromes owner, steve colburn, lost his mind in the grandstand last year. His wife had to hold him back from saying something. He apologized to her. You have all the horses that sit out the preakness. If they win a Kentucky Derby, they come into the belmont fresh and end up winning. The last six belmonts have won have been won by a horse who either this is their first triple crown race, or they ran in the Kentucky Derby, started the Kentucky Derby and didnt run in the preakness. I think there are five out of seven opponents for american pharaoh in this field that did not run in the Kentucky Derby or preakness. I think that freshness will matter when it comes down to this long race at the belmont. Go ahead ill make it succinct. My cohost tends to have a lot of words. You know why there wont be a triple crown winner . Because science. You can spin all kind of nonsense about Michael Jordan i didnt say anything to about you. We understand all that about cohost. Wow. Theres a thing about horse racing where one horse gets ahead, about to win the triple crown. Everybody else is like we got to pull him down. Jeme leand michael, thanks for the time. Check them out on espn every day. Next on this show, well spin about female viagra because were not afraid to talk about afternoon delight on this show. What . And stay tuned for a im looking forward to abby talks Caitlyn Jenner the cycle keeps rolling on after this. Out of 42 vehicles based on 6 different criteria, why did a panel of 11 automotive experts name the Volkswagen Golf motor trends 2015 car of the year . Well give you four good reasons. The Volkswagen Golf. Starting at 19,295, theres an awardwinning golf for everyone. 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It women i think people underestimated that women appreciate sex life. You know, we always talk about men and how thats all that they want. But women yes, we love that attachment to people. I think theres also a part of us that loves the sex drive, as well. Its important in a relationship. Talk about its complicated. Yeah, its obviously complicated, and you know, i think that the answer is actually bigger than this pill. I read a book the male brain and the female brain. She talks about arousal and interest for women is based on the previous 24 hours. Whereas for men, its the previous three minutes. When youre doing the dishes, youre helping yourself out . Yes. Women need a pill that make men do the dishes, do the laundry make lunch for kids tomorrow. Understand houltw to relate to her, watch her show instead of the game the pill needs to go into the guy or in women and make the guy do the things women need him to do. Thats complicatesed. Women are complicated. Its layered. It is layered. As our scientist friends say im not a scientist, but theres a culture around it. What nooixstrikes subcommittee in a lot of articles its called the female viagra which isnt con instant with what we know of the science. Viagra has to do with blood flow and the age of males and how healthy they are to get to that state. And from what weve read about this this isnt that kind of pill at all. To use a taxonomy of what is this habit we take the male form and apply it, there is your viagra, its not. May be very different. Another statistic i saw in the article said that the state that this is addressing is one out of ten women who have something close to blow to sex drive which, to your point, can be premenopausal. That is the dynamic in the foot industry saying we want to target that as a consumer base. I think theres an something medical, cultural conversation which is between a woman or man and his or her doctor which is is the state youre in something you want to change. If you dont necessarily want to change that in your life, thats fine. Marie claire interviewed a bunch of women a while back whether the fda was first starting to look at potentially taking this on. They found premenopausal women but also women who have had kids with their husband, their lives were so busy, that was the last thing on their minds. For some, they were using experimental treatments. They found it was important. It made a big difference for them how they felt their selfesteem, their relationship with their husband it makes you wonder i think access is a positive thing. Absolutely. Makes you wonder what the commercials will be like. Yeah. Actually, we did Something Like this back on my web show a while back. You remember back in the 90s, bob dole did viagra commercials . We went to the street outside of 30 rock and asked people which modern day political candidate should sell female viagra. Lets take a look at that. What current politician would be good for the female viagra sdmeshl. Scott walker. Sdmeshl. Not obama. Bill clinton. Yes. An unfair question because i think the immediate answer is Hillary Clinton. Not hillary. Shes tough, you know the obvious idea comes to mind is Hillary Clinton. Why hillary . Shes a strong woman. Shes she has no shame to speak her mind. And to know whats good for us. Hillary, thats the only one i can think of. The highly unscientific poll. Hillary was definitely number one. I loved the woman who without hesitation is like scott walker. She had been waiting her whole life to get asked that question. Why did she think scott walker is the one . Not obama . Like why couldnt he definitely not obama. No. Not obama bill clinton . Oh yes. Yeah. Bill clinton, i think thats a reasonable idea. Very good. All right. Hilarious. Next can you disagree about politics without being disagreeable . I think were probably proof of that. That. 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They would believe that the first point of philosophy being what makes me feel good is good. What about you . I subscribe to it but not wholly. Its too difficult. Its impossible to live with it. On the right, mailers longtime antagonist, william buckley. He founded the influential conservative National Review still around today. And his political philosophy laid the groundwork for much of todays conservative movement. Heres buckley defending americas air strikes in vietnam despite horrific civilian casualties. The very fact that children gets burned in a war is simply like children exist. Its an example of nothing but that. If youre trying to insinuate i think you should be apologetic for having done so. That Lyndon Johnson attempts to burn children because this is how he satisfies his perversity. That was from a televised debate between the two of them. A new book, buckley and mailer, profiles the parallel lives of these intellectual giants. We have the author here historian kevin shultz. Good day to you. Thanks for having me. You think about the two of them, the dialogue they were having, and the resonance throughout america. Seemed that Norman Mailer at least initially was drawing on literary credentials. Burkly more overtly political. Why did buckley more overtly political. Why did they both matter beyond the worlds they commitment out . Well both were incredibly articulate voices. Buckley came around in the 1950s and sort of strewn together all the various brands of american conservatism. And because of that and because of National Review which you mentioned in the beginning, he became the real symbol of the right wing. Both politically and in culturally. And mailer for his part he had a great breakout novel in 1948. Then in the 1950s he drifted more into politics and his novels were sorts of not quite as successful. And he began to write what came to be called new journalism. The author was sort of the key character in the events. He was one of the inventors of that. And he realized by doing that talking about politics talking about america as a whole, he could write these really marvelous books, these marvelous articles. Because he was so articulate and a great writer, people began to look up to him, began to see his ideas as a powerful force on the left. One thing that you write about that i thought was fascinating is even though these two men obviously ended up on opposite ends of the political spectrum, you said that they started with a common complaint about america. Explain what you mean. What drew me to the book was, we have that mythological interpretation of the 60s. We love talking about the 60s. You think of mad men or selma. I wanted to tell the story of the 60s that could engage with all of these events, the civil Rights Movements, the capital coming up, with the womens Rights Movement with the cold war. Both of these guys were discussing all of these topics. And what brought them together was that they were engaged with these topic generally speaking. They came from similar not quite similar background. Mailer was raised middle class jewish upbringing in brooklyn. Buckley was raised in upperclass background catholic, in connecticut. But they both went to ivy league schools. They both naught world war ii. Mostly on the periphery of action. They had a lot of Common Ground on which they could engage. They both severely loved the country and wanted to live up to its better angels. Thats what their argument were about thats really what their arguments for about throughout the entire decade. I love mailer and one part of the mailer story i love is in 1969 meets the mayor of new york city in the mad cap campaign. Incredible story. He won in new york to his own state, empower each of the neighborhoods, bar all private vehicles from manhattan. What happened to this campaign . He also promised a one sweet sunday every month, there would be no electricity allowed on manhattan and realized the first hot sunday in the summer didnt go so well. This was another marvelous parallel because buckley ran for mayor in 1965 and heres in 1969 and playing the intellectuals role of bringing fresh ideas. They knew they werent going to win. But they wanted to bring fresh idea to the table. They wanted to propose things as crazy to suggest as a way to get new yorkers and the American Population thinking more creatively about the problems disturbing the country. William buckley fascinates me as well. He would talk about the importance of appealing to the Younger Generation but also his concern with crazy comments from republicans said it would give the media the opportunity to paint them as being extreme. We can only speculate now, but what do you think he would think of the gop today . How would he view whats going on right now . One of the things he did in the 50s and 60s is kick out the harsher people on the right. Theres a link of antisemitism and tried to get rid of that. Conspiracy theorists, he tried to remove them. So i think he was very cautious about people too far on one ideological spectrum. If he looked at it today, i think he would be more disappointed there isnt Common Ground on both parties left and the right more engaged what was the good of the whole country. Because i think thats really one of the things he was striving to do. Before we get too away buckley still left plenty of room for people to get civil rights and mailer for a lot of misogyny. Mixed records but clearly influential people. Thank you. Americans have gotten pretty good at speakkeeping up with the kardashians but abbey thinks the person you should be keeping up with is Caitlyn Jenner. On. To always build Something Better airplanes that fly cleaner and farther on less fuel. 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It was the moment she had been waiting for pretty much her entire life and finally, this week, 65 years later, with the help of vanity fair, Caitlyn Jenner shocked the world. Until this past year, Caitlyn Bruce jenner. He was an actor, author posing on the cover of playgirl and a father and husband. For all these years no one would have guessed underneath that was an entirely different person, a woman aching to come out. Bruce waited until the middle of the night when he thought everyone was asleep would put on makeup and heels and walk in the dark so for a few moments, he would feel alive as the person he was. I found out when he did his appearances, that he would get dressed and walk the lobby of his hotel. Because he felt so good that he could do that and no one knew it was him. I remember i would be so scared what if someone catches him . I was going to get water downstairs at 4 00 a. M. I woke up to him getting water and i walked down the stairs and came to the kitchen, got my water, he was coming down and i saw him, i was coming from the kitchen. Thank god he turned right and went through the middle of the stairs instead of turning left, because we would have bumped into each other. He walked through the middle and i ran up the stairs quietly and went to bed. Can you imagine feeling so out of your body feeling so ashamed how people might respond to the real you that you have to live a complete lie . I honestly cannot imagine how horrible that would be. But according to some estimates, there are 700,000 people in the country that know exactly what thats like and there are 9 million gay and lesbian people that have had their own difficult journey coming out. Its hard enough to accept ourselves in this crazy world, but on top of that having to convince your friend and family to also accept you . That has to be one of the most challenging things for anyone to ever go through. People ask me all the time as someone who grew up republican in a mormon family how have you been able to so accepting to the lgbt community, isnt that frowned upon . I dont have a perfect answer but i cant imagine approaching life any other way. Isnt that what it means to love . Who are we to judge others for being who they are . We have our own story to tell and own struggles. Even it looks like its perfect on the outside, how often people tuck them away deep down inside afraid of how others might judge them. Its somewhat ironic Caitlyn Jenner, from potentially the most superficial family is teaching how to be real and life not on the surface but who we are underneath it all. I hope caitlyns story pushes us all to be more accepting and encourages out there to come out. I hope they take that jump. So caitlyn i congratulate you. Thank you for letting me and the rest of the world for taking part in this journey with you. Have a great day. Now with alex wagner starts right now. Rick perry delivers yet another oops moment. A former top official vows to spill an avalanche of secrets. And the duggars address the molestation scandal. Any minute we expect to hear from boston terror suspect, Usaamah Rahim. This is june 4 on now. We wait a press conference from the boston terror suspect shot dead by fbi agents on tuesday. Well bring you those remarks live when we get them. According to Law Enforcement officers rahim, under 24 hour surveillance since late may, killed police officers. David wright, a another suspect, faces federal conspiracy charges. Rahim also discussed fantasies to behead Pamela Geller. Geller is the blogger best known for antiislam activism and support for cartoon depictions of the prophet mohammed. Geller responded to the alleged threat this morning. Have you thought, maybe i went too far . This wasnt worth it. Im going to change how i do what i do now. Drawing a cartoon, an innocuous cartoon, warrants chopping my head off . Thats too far . I just dont understand this. Theyre going to come for you too, chris. Theyre coming for everybody. Joining me by phone is Senior Writer from boston. Com hilary sergeant. Thank you for hopping on the phone. I know the press conference is to start any minute now. What do we expect to hear from the family today . I dont think we have a great