Transcripts For RT Interview 20220721

They received our proposal, but we have not heard from them since we are hearing though, is the argument repeated by all of sholtes wars. Johnson well probably wont be hearing any more about that from mr. Johnson, but also were sort of underlying and many others, including the use chief diplomat, joseph burrell, all saying that ukraine must win on the battlefield, saying that t f should not negotiate with moscow. With this point, as its positions on the ground are still too weak, ukraine must 1st gain the upper hand started beating the Russian Armed forces and the dont ask and lugens can malicious and only then from a position of strength, can it engage in negotiations. We also see that key of is literally being held back for making any constructive moves as the country is being pumped with weapons. Whats worse, theyre being forced to use these weapons and increasingly dangerous ways. Its an opens secrets that there are foreign instructors and specialists station there servicing all those weapon systems like high mars and so on. Our american and british partners, our anglo saxon friends, not without enthusiastic support from germany, poland, and the baltic states, one to turn this conflict into an all out war to pitt, russia, against europe. The americans would profit from it. And so would the british, because they are watching from afar from across the channel from across the oceans. They are far from the conflict. Its the european economy that suffers the most. Weve seen statistics saying that 40 percent of the negative impact of sanctions falls on the european union, while the americans suffer less than one percent of it. If you take the cumulative effect of all the sanctions, i have no doubt of the key of will not be allowed to negotiate with russia until the americans give it the green light once they are satisfied with the turmoil they have created once a day of wrought enough havoc they will leave the ukrainians to themselves and watch them struggle to pull themselves out of this quagmire. Should they, you think its really possible this plan of theres a big war as you just said, show down between russia and european countries. This basically means nuclear war. Is it possible . No americans can see, but that is not a concern for the american geographers. The staff in the Biden Administration are quite ambitious. Their primary concern is getting a new knowledge on their belts. How are they going to do it . I really dont know what their actions are. I would say your responsible know their plans and arrangements are fraught with a serious risk because we have been open about it. Of course, we could have told them about it, but they do not want to talk to us. And naturally, were not going to run after them begging for dialog williams. And you need to, what is russia sustans fine . Its not their immediate concern, but do you think this is possible . You would think it is possible to have a show done between russia and europe. And nuclear war, we have initiated multiple statements on that score, including a joint statement by russia and the United States. And by the leaders of the 5 Permanent Un Security Council members, they all agree. There can be no winners, any nuclear war. It should never be unleashed, this is our position, and we will stick to this position. But russia also has its Nuclear Posture detailing conditions that could trigger the use of nuclear weapons. And our partners counterparts, rivals as they now called themselves, versus russia or any nose or adversaries. They know it well that may lead you to just western leaders. Many of them are crumbling, one after another. Anyway, theyre showing Signs Limited here in what, let me put it this way or maybe even limited sanity this leaders will soon step down. Do you have reasons to hope that they will be replaced by someone with you or limitations . Someone more coherent was an issue, but there is another way to put it. We can say that the current political crisis in the west is the class of coherence limitations. They think they are coherent, but this is a very limited group of beliefs in terms of political experience and perspective. Of course. And why is that . I dont know. I dont know why that is, but many notice that its impossible not to notice many notice it and henry kissinger, for example, he recently spoke about it. He mentioned gara schroeder, jacques schrock. He wasnt rude or anything, but he clearly thinks that there is a stark difference. This middle ground attitude towards political processes. They want to elect uncomplicated politicians, will operate in one dimension thing true to one simple idea. Now this whole switching to a green economic agenda soon, there will be no air to breathe, which everything will disappear, dolphins fish will die, and so on. People will be alone in a desert. Now theyve got their green economy. President putin covered this in detail before how they built their policies on this foundation. And now its resulted in a major failure because nothing was thought through them. As for their cra hearings, i dont know why this is happening, but i guess some one is benefiting from this lack of outstanding leaders who, director of the bureaucrats, the ra children, rockefeller families, they are all dead. And these bureaucrats make up the European Commission. 60000 people, what a few. They are now a thing in itself. It is not surprising that countries like poland, sure more hungry sometimes ask, why do we listen to these people . Especially in the things that we didnt authorize them to control over. Like a pendulum the pivots from one side to the other. It was on the side a fast track integration, and now it will move to the opposite end. And the demands imposed by brussels often without any legal faces or agreements will begin to irritate and get in the way of the internal policies of Member States that want to stay true to their culture and religion. Like theyve been bugging hungary with their sexual minorities agenda, but the hungarians dont want that. And we dont want that either. Just like many others. But the European Commission and the starts lecturing that demanding that they change their stanz threatening to cut funding, even if it was already private and agreed upon. I dont think this is good for the european union. And there are constant you have to do is just that. But this is good for us. You dont wish that that. I dont think its good for us. I think that we need to distance ourselves from this. We cant be happy if people in europe freeze or have miserable lives blows yet knows nothing yet. Ive no, its not about freezing. Maybe they will get tired of being pushed around and finally elect politicians who would pursue National Interest and put their people 1st. And that means living in peace with russia, because quarreling with russia is not good for any nation. If you to hear that is true, yes. And in that sense, i agree with this is probably the right process, the process of recovery. And when people get rid of allusions, that brussels will decide everything for them, but everything will be the same every day. Cheap energy, cheap food, and everything is fine. I think that we should just take a detached position and do you want to live in such conditions . Do you want to get rid of the natural, profitable ties that have been created over long decades in the energy sector, logistics, and transport please . Its your choices. We cannot force them to love us, but once youre done with it, and if you ever will be with us, you will find that it is very expensive for the european economy. And then the, please dont ask us to go back to some agreements again. Because you have proven to be unreliable, and we cannot make long term Strategic Investments or plans to promote our country and our Foreign Relations with such a partners with them. European politicians are also completely responsible in terms of explaining. So there are people why the Current Crisis is broken out to your chancellor schoultz says, i have not the slightest doubt that russia wants to limit gas supply vi in north stream for political and natural technical reason the ship. He has no doubt some difficult if you just like the russian presidency issue. We have repeatedly said that europe has systematically consistently reduce the capacity for north stream. One, how would, how to splendid nor stream to europe imposed restrictions against nordstrom retrospectively. Despite the fact that investments had already been made and you cannot change the rules of Capital Investment at the state. Nevertheless, the European Commission insisted on it and it was done. Instead of filling the pipeline to 100 percent, they limited this pipeline to half of its volume. These are just a few example. This is where we are being blamed. Now, as you know, they say where using hunger as a weapon. Sullivan did. Lion has already said that i think so from deland, all hunger and cold and cold. Yes. Mottos, boom. We had general frost. Remember now we have general wheat and general heating. You know, miss yellen was the us treasury secretary said recently, she made a melodramatic statement that the United States will not allow russia, china, or any one else to change the International Economic rules that have allegedly been approved by the entire world as well. There. So melodramatic and dean and then she went on to say, we are not going to let russia use economic integration as a weapons, as this tops the list of the ridiculous statements we have heard from them. It looks like agony, where they do not know any longer how to explain. They are failures. Ah, ah, mm. Mm. Putting it should that there is a general view that the west will not cope without us. And in many ways this is true. We see it now in the partial lifting of sanctions in that last package that was adopted this week. I didnt understand, by the way, was it a package of new sanctions or a package of lifting old sanctions . But what if they still manage to do it . How do you see the prospect and again, they completely abandon our Energy Carriers in the future. If not this, the next winter, not launch, nor stream to for example, stop using nor stream one resources. Is there such a possibility militia . She didnt know, and then she asked for the next announced sanctions packages, whether it involves sanctions or an exemption from sanctions. It is both raised because they have already exhausted all possible areas where they wanted to inflict damage on. And now we have to think about what they have done and how it affects them. Do it is now that they are beginning to really think about it. So they have made adjustments, as i understand it, to allow servicing russian food as more as you apply for months theyve been telling us that we are to blame, feel the crisis, the voice, and that food, as well as fertilizers, are not subject to sanctions. So russia come on, dont try to squirm your way out of it. Go on with the trade. No one is stopping you, but we have been explaining for months is that yes, food itself will you, miss, and fertilizers are not subject to sanctions, but nobodys shipping. It but sharing it to fishing, allowing our vessels into foreign ports, allowing foreign vessels to enter our port to pick up their cargo. So all of this was covered by the very 1st or 2nd sanctions package. You just start with your approval when your service and the process is going to be for glo, right . So when they lie to our face and say its all on truth and its up to was they play dirty. And regrettably, they tried and are still trying to drag the un secretary general into their games. He came to russia. He met with putin and when he got concerned about the ongoing food crisis, he proposed a package deal. There was a russian grain that needs to be exempted from the artificial illegitimate restrictions i mentioned. And there is ukrainian grain that needs to be di mine and he offered to do it as a package deal. I got harris will get to europe and the United States to remove all obstacles to your grain exports and you will cooperate with us with the turks, with the ukrainians to d, mind the black sea ports to get the green out. We said, in fact, the black sea pores can be de mind without us, but if thats how you wanted to, lets do it. And he was the one advertising this package promoting it last week and our colleagues went to is 10 wall to negotiate this agreement. They agreed on basic principles according to which ukrainian grain would be exported, and then our delegation reminded them. Lets at least outline the 2nd part of the deal. But the ukrainians categorically refuse and the un delegation just receded into silent embarrassment. And yesterday we sent a message to mr. Secretary general, we said, how was that possible . That was your initiative . Well, lets deal with the ukrainian grain now and with the russian grain later. You see this is so improper, so unbecoming of people involved in big politics. But it is a fact though it means only one thing. I am convinced that the secretary general is under enormous pressure. First of all, from the american, was from the british, who have gained a foothold and the secretariat all around him and the deputy positions. And are actively taking advantage of the structure that they have privatized. It is unfortunate, but going back to your 1st question about what happens of the abandon everything. I think they are now split between firstly, but not wanting to show that they were wrong in any way. And this is what the ruling parties will now do by hook or by crook, because they have no other way out. But the opposition is look, theres austrias Freedom Party which is not very well liked and brussels, but it exists. It is a legal, legitimate party. In other countries, the opposition is rising as well. And they are asking, why are we doing all this . Why cant we agree . Many people raise such question losing. It is not the perception in developing countries that russia has crossed some kind of a red line. They remember what americans did in iraq. I see what they did. And again, us down what they did in libya, syria and in the u. S. Flavio, in 1999, there were no warnings there. There were no admonitions that american interests were being infringed, and that something needed to be done. Because you know, 8 years of trying to negotiate yes, 10000 kilometers from the u. S. Shores, all those countries were bombed cities raised to the ground. And no one in europe dared to say, how was it possible . Its so bad, its so wrong. Because the, an it was not about protect americans living in those territory. Yes, yes. And in our case, i repeated it is a completely different situation. Because this is a real threat and not an imaginary ones that you can use as a pretext to stretch your imperialistic tentacles across the ocean. And that is a threat at our border muslims. And as you said, for many years, we have warned that ukraine must not be turned into anti russia. There should be no natal presence there and that one should not create a direct military threat to our security. Everybody understands this very well. So coming back to europe, if suddenly, i dont think its in their interest to cut all ties with us and switch to liquefied natural gas, which americans are trying to voice, foist. Yes, i would have used a stronger word, but voice will do. That is, up to them. And some serious scholars have already been saying that germany use economy, Economic Prosperity achieved over the last decade, was based on 1st and foremost, unrighteous energy, which was sold at the very affordable acceptable, predictable price, which is if all this is converted to l n g. Yes, l n g is a more flexible commodity because with the pipe, you have to buy gas from where the pipe ends, and l n g can be redirected, but that is also a disadvantage was actually because when demand rose and asia, americans re directed their l n g there because they paid more there and all of this may result not only in higher prices, but also in a supply shortage at some point. But if they do that, we wont have much of a problem. The president said that because of their actions regarding nor stream to, we are ready to launch and pipeline pressure is maintained. But in the current situation, 50 percent of the pipelines volume is reserved for our internal consumption. For heating for the Chemical Industry and other industrial purposes, we will re orient ourselves without any major losses. I have no doubt about that. There are buyers, there is demands. After all, we have domestic needs as well. Im talking about gamification, the Chemical Industry that has been our objective for a long time, so that 1000 for the settlements with no access to gas. Thats right. Justification, thats what im saying. So that is up to that. And ill see it again slow, but we should nods and thank god, no one is trying to build any mechanism based on the possibilities. Probability was, were even desirability for learning to what we had 6 months ago in order to restore all these chains . Well, no, i think these chains have to be terminated and new, more reliable ones are to be created. Incipient that is what were doing now. Were in the north south corridor and from st. Petersburg to the indian ocean from india to lot of our stock. There are a number of projects that are well underway. Now if and when, at some point europe says guys, you know, we overreacted, we are interested in, lets restore our economic and trade relations, which i think we should, we should not punish you. I think we should, we should not push them away, but we have to see how beneficial it is for us and only then well respond. Well, of course if these read you once theyve crew again, as the russian thing goes, thats right. Book, im not sure why we still have some time since you mentioned diversifying our cooperation efforts previously, there has been a lot of talk about looking to china and india and flying to africa south. So could you perhaps give us a summary of what youre planning to do there, what you expect to complete and what we all should be expecting from this visit . Roughly with us, we have enjoyed a good long term relationship with africa. Since the times of the soviet union, as you probably know, the new ceasar was spearheading the movement that finally led to the colonization of the continent. We provided assistance in the fight for national liberation, and we helped the emerging sovereign states of africa further to develop their economies. We helped build hundreds of enterprises that are the backbone of the local economies in many parts of africa today. In the united nations, we were in the vanguard of the efforts to have the colonization, and its outcomes accepted by the International Community for under international law. If we have never been teaching them all we ever did was help them tackle the tab they wanted handle the way they wanted to cook and you is that we helped them handle the tasks that they defined as their priorities themselves. We never said anything like, dont be friends with america or anybody else. You see what i mean. There was no preaching, not then, not now, unlike the americans who on their african tours, keep saying things like, avoid contacts with china or russia. They always have vested interests whenever theyre doing business with you, but also rushes foreign minister pays visits to african countries. Every year. We try to schedule the tours to cover as many countries as possible within 24 to 36 months. This year, visits have been planned for egypt. If the opium, uganda, and congo. We have some good history with these countries. And some groundwork has been laid there for business cooperation. Egypt is russias top trade partner, africa, the annual revenue from our exchange of exports and imports has already reached almost 5000000000. 00. The construction of the russian Industrial Zone on the eastern bank of the suez canal, in its final stages. The prospects for the zone are all the more promising now in view of the decisions made by the African Union last year or the african continental free trade area. The groundwork has been laid and we are now negotiating all the particulars, such as applicable rates and tara ends for the zone. And this will take some time. This is a very significant project for russia that has africas aspiring Business Partner in terms of increasing both our investments and volume of business. Africa has a population of 1000000000 and 400000000 people. Its as big as china or india. And as a huge part of the modern world, perhaps the most promising markets im finding it is the reason why smart businesses and smart governments have long term plans for africa as the continents with a great future. Like you have good relations with other former soviet republics, the former partners are rarely friends, as we know from our personal experience. But sometimes there are exceptions. Is that the case with russia with, for example, bell ruse and what is really going on in kevin as sending contradictory signals . And is it, of course to blame for the situation with found ourselves in for losing them, giving them in a way to europe, the u. S or even turkey, what do you think we go that our government didnt pay much attention to stop their relations with our closest allies and partners from deteriorating in the early years of newly acquired sovereignty. Despite having centuries of common history and there was a widespread belief that our partners had no one else to turn to. Or, you know, wed been to get there forever. We spoke the same language and had the same education. We even had similar tastes. And this is how it, when our economies were interconnected and you couldnt simply cut the ties established over centuries. We didnt have a platform to unite all 5 Central Asian nations and russia. Now we have one, connect was not only our diplomatic, but also economic authorities. This is vital to there is a unified water and energy supply. The u. S. And the e u. Our western partners, as we sometimes call them, are trying to infiltrate these sectors. They offer their programs to shape water and Energy Industries that have soviet rules according to their needs, the needs of foreign after food, but the most may ask about your feelings when youve learned about it. And i remember, well, what i felt when we were at home with the ground and the new scheme. Im curious what was on your mind at that moment. And whats your opinion of the so called scares patrick, who fled from the country and our ashamed of themselves. Now the News Business news be inevitable, inevitable, letty . It wasnt joy. Its hard to feel joy in the face of warfare when your compatriots are going to stand up and risk their lives to defend the just cause. It was inevitable. It isnt. And a relief of sorts that for years we couldnt tell the residence of don bass and our own citizens when this was going to end. Because it is the bus, the national, get the core totally agree with you. Motion. How much more could they terrorize the people and scoff at the reason . Mock the resolution of the Security Council so that everything that goes with it, the decisions that theyd open least sabotage and so but usually of another luca, good. Can you not . Nancy . Him, we all want the operation to finish as soon as possible. We want the people to stop dying or soldiers in ukraine. Civilians showed by their former government that is still considering them. It does your citizens, but thats what its doing. Nonetheless, we dont know when to it and, and im not going to ask you as you cant answer that too, obviously. But where should it and your graphically, there should not be any threats to our security, any military threats coming from the cranium territory. And this objective is still in place. You know, when the negotiators met in istanbul, we were talking about a different kind of geography. We were prepared to accept the ukrainian proposals based on that geography, the geography of march 2022. You mean the nav, kimball guns republics rate that used to deploy more or less just the geography has changed since then. Now it includes not just the dont ask and guns peoples republics, but also the harrison and zappa rosier regions and some other territories. Georgia and the process is not finished yet. It is moving forward consistently and vigorously, while the west is demonstrating its powerless anger and the desire to make things worse by pumping ukraine with longer range weapons like high mars, we will have to continue moving our geographic objectives further from the existing line. Let us, we cannot allow the weapon that pose a direct wrench to our territory, to be deployed to cranium regions that will be controlled by zelinski, or someone who comes after him. Yes, this is their chance that we will leave without finishing the job. You need, i dont see any reason why we shouldnt dallas what the president said on february 24th and confirmed again a few days ago with us. We are pursuing the same objectives and we will reach them by the way. Sure to thank you again mr. Lap. Route my followers asked me to wish you Health Patients card so you can continue to do what youre doing with it. Thank you very much. Ah, a with a ah, europe thinks deeper into political and economic uncertainty. Thats after italys Prime Minister steps down and its Coalition Government collapses with congress. Foreign minister says budapest wants to buy additional russian gas and cannot get through the coming winter without those imports that says the use struggles with the backlash of its economic sanctions. Plus r t reports from the logins, the peoples republic where the Ukranian Army has resumed shelling civilians after failing to retake territory from russian led forces. We hear from some of the locals caught in the crossfire, catching up with you on