Michigan, and pennsylvania could have tipped it back a different way. And in some of those key states that we were being told were the key battlegrounds like pennsylvania 1 percentage point separated them. 2 more the other way for her, shed be president. So, the question was, did he surprise us and do something more . Or did she underperform and not do what she needed to do . What how should we look at this . You know, i look at the polling that came out, and then i look at the way trumps last two weeks, in time and schedule, were spent. And it seems to me that he had better information. Mm. I think his poll sampling was more precise. It was not dependent on 2012. The fact that he showed up in wisconsin and michigan and pennsylvania, and everybody saying, whats he doing . Mmhmm. They had a better plan because they had better information. And i think the Clinton Campaign was relying on traditional sampling. And this is, i know, in the weeds, but inside a political campaign, if you do not have good data and good information, youre not gonna make good decisions. Did she also miss the moment . Its the economy, stupid. The clintons came to power with James Carville saying that. We heard her talk about a lot of things about donald trump, but i dont know that we heard that message as much from her as we did from him. They made a mistake, and i said this on inside story right after the convention. I thought it was a disaster for Hillary Clinton. I said it here. Everybody sort of poopooed me. Because she decided she was not going to be a change agent, she was gonna be an agent of the status quo and cling to barack obama. That was a mistake, as it turned out. Now, as far as who was surprised and not surprised, i can tell you who was surprised it was the trump people. They were surprised that night. Ive talked to some of them. He was surprised that they had actually won. Who was not surprised was every single republican leader that i talked to outside of southeastern pennsylvania over the last several months, and ive been traveling the state in my campaign for state chairman. Every single one of them thought that donald trump was gonna win this, and none of them were surprised. And sam may talk about this a little later it was in the numbers. As you get out of southeastern pennsylvania, you look at every other county westmoreland county, luzerne county, which hasnt voted for a democrat in recent memory. You know, these counties went big for donald trump not just for don big, big flips, and it was enough to overcome the huge numbers in the southeast for Hillary Clinton. So not everyone was surprised over this one. Lets talk about some of those numbers. White women. You know, she im breaking the ceiling. Im getting through. But if you look at the numbers, she did not do so well. Noncollege, she wasnt expected to get them, but it was really a rout. He had 62 , she had 34 . Collegeeducated white women only 6 more went for her. He got 45 of them. Overall, he got more white women, with all the access hollywood tapes, all the different commentaries. What was that about . First of all, i want to agree with something that val said, because hes out in pennsylvania looking at whats going on in these small towns. It was evidenced by Martha Raddatz and some of her comments as she was going through pennsylvania. And i want to take us back in history, because i think history really instructs us on this. In 1963, when Michael Harrington wrote this book, the other america, the people that he wrote about those are the people that val was seeing. Those are the people that she was seeing. The women and the men theyre underemployed, theyre unemployed, their jobs have gone away. The globalists, that are represented in both parties the clintons and the republican establishment donald trump represented something for these people that has not existed, and they resonated to it in ways that we have not seen before. We need to take that lesson seriously on both sides. Did she and the democrats miss something here . We knew she wouldnt get as much of the black vote, maybe the latino vote as barack obama got, and, certainly, that was exactly what happened. But she lost 1 3 of latinos overall to donald trump. Did they miss something in how they were looking at things or the messaging that they were putting out . Well, i dont think that you can blame the loss by Hillary Clinton on either of those constituencies. No, not at all. The black or the latino vote. I think you pointed out something revealing white women, 53 of them, voted for donald trump. So it was the message that she brought. She was a traditional candidate. She was the candidate that represented the establishment in a race in which the establishment was not chosen by the people. It wasnt chosen by the people in 2008, as well. And because she represented the establishment, perhaps she was between a rock and a hard place. She was a woman running for president the first woman who really had a chance to become president. And she felt, i believe, that she had to run as a traditional candidate and in traditional ways so as not to scare voters off that shes gonna be this female whos gonna bring these crazy ideas into the white house. She ran as a traditional candidate, she represented the establishment, and it cost her the election. So, she couldnt be Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren . I dont think she could. I think that throughout the campaign, everybody was saying, its gonna be won or lost in the philadelphia suburbs, and if you take the five counties, Hillary Clinton has a 51,000 larger plurality excuse me coming out of southeastern pennsylvania than did obama. Right. She thats not where this election was won. It was won in the rest of pennsylvania. And also, importantly, the Clinton Campaign asked philadelphia to deliver 400,000 votes. Philadelphia delivered 455,000 votes. Really . Yes. They thought that that was gonna be enough to offset the rest of the state. Right. The City Committee did their job, the Building Trades did an unbelievable registration job. It was not enough to offset the anger that is driving this election. Thats why everyone was able to forgive all of the crazy things that donald trump said. It was pocketbook, it was home, and it was me and mine first. Should she have been able to speak to that better than she did, or did she do the best she could . No. I think she could have spoken to it better. I think she made a number of missteps, beginning with the comments in West Virginia telling coal miners that, were going to take your jobs away from here. I dont know who advised her to include that in her speech. Maybe it was an extemporaneous remark. But, you know, she made a number of mistakes that told workingclass people that, im not really hearing you. And youre exactly right that was the constituency that needed to be heard in this election. Lets a little bit about what were seeing right now. Weve seen protests for the last few nights in the streets of philadelphia and elsewhere around the nation. Im gonna start on this side of the table. The biggest protest would have been tuesday come out and vote. We are where we are. Is this right for people to be doing now, rather than saying, the election has happened. Lets figure out where were going to fight and figure out where were going to work together. Well, sadly, more than 100,000 people in pennsylvania voted for Gary Johnson Gary whats aleppo . Johnson. That was their protest, and i take issue with that protest because adults need to show up at the polling place on election day. Children make those kinds of decisions, and it offends me that people did not recognize that the only thing standing between donald trump and the presidency was hillary. So, they did there was a protest. But thats where it found expression, and is an insult to our democracy. Well, i think peaceful protest is part of the american tradition, and as long as its peaceful, i think thats fine. I do wonder, as a lot of people do, in terms of how many of those people out there protesting did vote for gary johnson or who didnt vote at all. Mmhmm. And now are protesting the result. All right, now, lets go to this side of the table, because people voted for donald trump for a number of reasons economy, trade deals, feeling safe, my values. But weve also seen some people where its been ugly, its been nasty, and its trickled down to children incidents at Central Bucks High School in york, pennsylvania. Reports of people having ugly, racist, bigoted things said to them, people saying, now this is trump america. Often when this happens, youll see people say, oh, we dont support that, but do Republican Leaders need to do more to come out forcefully and say, this is why were here. You guys cut that out. Were not doing that. Well, donald trump already repudiated the kkks endorsement of him. Hes already on a record. What would be great is if both the president and the president elect stood up together and said, lets all come together as a nation. Lets stop these protests. Lets stop the racist comments, and denounce them together that would be great. I thought yesterday was a great start, the two of them together in the white house. So i think they should come out and denounce all of this. You know, weve gone from the deplorables now to the inconsolables with these kids. [ chuckles ] my daughter called me about whats going on at school with her colleagues. I guess if they werent paying my student loans, id feel the same way, and maybe id be upset, too. But i think we all should come out roundly republicans, democrats and denounce all of this. But i got to push back with you on that, only because when weve seen comments on this, its usually been in response to, somebody said this, and somebody goes, of course they dont agree with that. Do we need to see a more frontal, get in front of it, im not waiting to respond, im getting in front of this trying to say, very clearly, altright, pepe the frog, no . I think both sides need to come out and whats happening on both sides. Yes, we should categorically get in front and denounce racism of any kind. But by the same token, we should come out and denounce people that want to destroy their own neighborhoods and riot and loot or beat up white people at the polling places. The racisms going on both ways. That should be denounced both ways. Well, and i have to agree with you, tamala. I think it goes more than some pronouncement at this point, both National Leaders standing up there and saying, we deplore this. Yes, donald trump did repudiate the klan endorsement, but the fact that he got a klan endorsement in 2016 is troublesome. The fact that they thought he said or did something what do you want him to do other than what hes done to denounce it . I want him as president , through his policies, through his procedures well, thats not were not talking about that now. Were talking about, what should we be doing now . What would you have donald trump do now to denounce this . Well, hes president hes not even president now. Im saying, donald trump as president needs to do more than make highsounding statements about, i repudiate the ku klux klan. They endorsed you. They endorsed you for a reason. You, through your actions, must show that you are indeed, as you said, the president of all america. He took he could take a page out of president obamas playbook. And i think hell remember, after president obama was elected i think it was after he came to philadelphia, and at the constitution center, talked about race. It was before. Was it before . But and afterwards, with henry louis. Gates. Gates and the guy who had the beer. Donald trump has an extraordinary opportunity. Which i thought on election night, by advancing the idea of infrastructure hardly the centerpiece of republican Public Policy donald trump showed a bit of shrewdness there, because if he can get infrastructure, he can get some votes from democrats, and then he has some currency to trade. And its the same with race and sex and gender and all of the things that we identified with him and which he denied. If he comes out early and starts to talk about these things as a healer, he could launch a very successful first year as a president. And its not about repudiating. Its about saying, what do i believe in . What do i want to see this country do . How can we come together . You know, we had a civil war, and 600,000 people died during that civil war, and we survived it. I think well be able to survive im saying it goes beyond what he can say. Its what he can do as president. There are policies and actions he can take that very clearly shows that, i realize that these urban centers of america didnt vote for me, but i do understand that your issues, your problems are just as great as they are in the heartland, and they have not been addressed, either. I think they have been addressed. Weve talked about providing vouchers to the inner cities, to reform the education system. Weve talked about the fact that the Democratic Party has basically taken the black vote for granted. Then youre saying they have not addressed, if youre taking the position so, were talking about addressing those. As a republican, ive been talking about this all my adult life, having grown up in south philly and seeing what liberalism has meant for the inner cities. Its been the reason i am a republican, cause ive seen what liberalism has done to the inner cities. We want to provide educational opportunity, we want to provide jobs for the inner city. I dont want anything for young black men more than i want for my son. I want the same things for my son as i want for young black men in america. Theyve been abandoned by the Democratic Party. Donald trump has talked about that. And i think sam is right. Hes got a historic opportunity here to reach out to urban america, not just african america. With policies. With policies. Well, i think what we were talking about what sams point was is to the mantle of leadership, rather than responding to step out and say, im gonna get in front of this and make a big speech on it or make a big statement, but well see what he chooses to do. Lets talk a little bit about one thing that he said he is going to do, which is to change obamacare. There are some people who love that idea. There are some people who worry about, you know, ive got a preexisting condition. What happens to my 24yearold kid . What will he indeed repeal obamacare, and what does it get replaced with . Thats the question. Now, paul ryan had had a plan some years ago about this. Were gonna see whether were gonna dust that plan off, but i think its pretty likely its gonna be repealed. The Republican Leaders want it, the Republican Base wants it, and Small Businesses want it. Small businesses are getting crushed. 50 increases in premiums in southeastern pennsylvania, only one insurer left thats participating in the exchanges. Its gonna collapse under its own weight, anyway. It should be repealed and put with a freemarket system that keeps in place the good things about it which are more coverage for people, preexisting conditions being covered but replaced with a freemarkettype system that provides subsidiaries for those who i just want to note for the record that president obama, from the time obamacare was passed, said repeatedly to the republican congress, help me make it better. Help me change it so that its something that makes more sense to you. Put lipstick on a pig. Oh, thats but is it dangerous is it dangerous that in getting rid of it, you could end up getting another group of people angry with you that they dont have Health Insurance . I wouldnt underestimate the extent to which obamacare contributed. Right. We saw it in our polling. To trumps election. Over the last several months, weve seen the vacancy in many states of multiple Insurance Companies so that theres monopolies. Weve seen premiums go through the roof. And it has the issue really is, what are we gonna call it . Because if we keep preexisting conditions and if we keep the exchanges and we do all these things, its gonna still be like obamacare, but were not gonna call it that anymore. I think youre exactly right, sam. I think a lot of this is the fact that it is called obamacare. And there are some people in the congress who wanted to deny him that legacy. No, thats not it. You cant say that every time we have a legitimate policy discussion its cause we dont like barack obama cause hes a black man. The constitution has been amended 27 times. Youre trying to tell me you cant fix obamacare by amendment . It has to be scrapped. Its created a well, well see what the Congress Needs to do. Mitch mcconnell was committed to his failure, and he got it. Well, quickly, will there be any other major parts of the obama legacy that we think will immediately be challenged . I think the Iranian Nuclear deal will be immediately challenged, and, well, it should be. I think the whole role that obama has played in trying to create a twostate solution in israel i think that will be abandoned. And i think the nature of our relationship with russia will change. And i think all three of these things need to happen. All right, well take a short break and come back to more inside story. Inside story is presented by temple university. Remarkable change isnt easy, but for those who take charge, it comes naturally. Explore temples impact. Visit temple. Edu impact. Welcome back to inside story. Im tamala edwards. Time to talk about the polls. My goodness, talk about a whipping horse right now. So, just about everyone except the l. A. Times got it wrong. But many of them would say, we showed a really close 42to45, 46to44 at the last closing bell. And with a 2 to 3point percentage of error, it could have gone either way. Were the pollsters really wrong, or did the rest of us forget percentage of error . First of all, National Polls dont matter. Yeah. cause we dont elect president s on a national poll. We elect president s in 50 separate elections. So, the fact that the l. A. Times had it right, kudos to them, but you had to look at look, terry madonnas been a very accurate pollster. And i dont remember, but i think the last poll he had in pennsylvania was hillary up 8 . And pat toomey losing by 12 . Yeah, more than that, it was. Yes. Investors business daily also had it right. They also had it right in the romneyobama election. The polls i was looking at, interestingly enough, for southeastern pennsylvania were all deadon right. They all showed trump down by as much as 19 at one point and then closing that gap to about 10 in Chester County specifically. They were deadon. They also showed that there was not much effect on the underballot, and we saw that in Chester County. We reelected all nine of our state reps and tom killion. So the polling wasnt necessarily off across the board. But is the issue that the whole thing is that nobody picks up a landline, nobody answers a cellphone, and you cant go to online . Or did the l. A. Times figure something out you get a set of people and you stick with them the whole way through . Which one is it . There was notwithstanding l. A. , there was a rizzo factor here. And sam knows about this. I do. When frank rizzo ran, first of all, he never won a poll and he never lost an election. Well, thats not true. Well, all right, he did yeah. But generally speaking. He did lose one, all right. Ill give you that one. He lost two in 83 and 87. All right. But isnt hes a documentarian. He knows these facts. I know. The bottom line is i think the question really is, how does polling need to change so that four years from now, people can believe it . Thats a good question. Yeah, and im not sure. I think thats a technological answer thats required to that. I think what really was missed here by the pollsters are the number of people who werent truthful when they talked to them. Thats the real factor. If you rode through the different areas of pennsylvania, southeastern pennsylvania i live in jersey i was struck by the dearth of Hillary Clinton signs. You could hardly find any. And very few donald trump signs, which means that people werent really proud of who they were supporting. They werent really declaring whom they were supporting. And that proved true during the election. We found out exactly who they voted for. You know, sam, youve been a candidate, and, val, you run candidates. If we go to online polling, do you trust that . No. What is it that we should be doing cellphones . Well, first of all, i think the media should get out of the polling business. We just report it. I have to tell you, of all the things that took place in this election, the worst thing, from my perspective, was the Way Television covered the campaign. Every time you turned on, you were looking at partisans. What about analysts . What about, like, david gergen . You know, david gergen would be on once, and then youd see Katrina Pierson and youd see jeffrey lord and. And then they would talk all over each other, and there was no and the same with the debates. If youd have a twomin if youve agreed to a twominute limit on your answer, your microphone should be turned off after two minutes. Itd be really fun being a host in that environment. Lets talk about another huge race in the state pat toomey, as you pointed out. Everybody thought Katie Mcginty would win. He eked out a 2 win over Katie Mcginty. What does this mean for him . Is he kind of a kingmaker in the state . Hes the republican casey wolfe for democrats. What does this mean for pennsylvania . Yeah, well, that remains to be seen, cause pat was not seen as a trump supporter, and the trump people were gonna remember that. So the question is, how much influence does he have with the Trump Administration . But in washington, hes gonna be a force. He certainly is the kingmaker in the Republican Party in pennsylvania and the person that were gonna be looking to for leadership. Pat had said, we can do everything right in this campaign and were gonna win by 1. 5, 2 points at the most, and he was right all along. Interesting, in the numbers, he outpolled obama excuse me, he outpolled trump down here, but if you look at the rest of the state, trump outpolled him in every other county. Which, maybe why he didnt vote till 6 45 and then waited to say who he was supporting. Do you think he goes back at gun control . No, i think that was a principled i think that was a principled position for him. Do we see Katie Mcginty anymore, or thats it . I think she might end up back in the wolf administration. And i just want to say for the record, i never assumed that she was a lock. I questioned hillarys coattails. I know that toomey is a very formidable campaigner. He picked up democrat gabby giffords. I mean, it was a very thoughtfully constructed campaign, so i really didnt think that that was a lock. Weve seen dwight evans go down to d. C. He was a leader on the septa resolution of the strike. Are we about to see a new era for dwight evans as being seen as a leader in the city of philadelphia . No. Dwight evans has been a leader in the city in the past, especially when he had a high position in the state legislature with appropriations. What are i dont see him, you know, repeating that role as a minority member of the congress. Yeah, thats exactly right. Hes a freshman 61yearold freshman in the minority at a moment in time in which everything that the progressive wing of the Democratic Party wants to do is likely not to get done. What about in the city itself, the way bob brady, who will also be hes got more stature, but hes a member of the minority now. Is he setting himself up to be seen as a leader in this city . Im not so sure that jim kenney wants to see somebody else be a leader in this city. Okay. Well, we got to take a break. Well come back to their inside stories. What do we want our kids to learn . How to game a test. Or test themselves in a game . How to master an exam. Or examine a master . How to be robots. Or build robots . The njea believes students deserve a wellrounded education including arts, music, technology, and so much more. Thats why were working with parents and communities to reduce the emphasis on high stakes testing. Because when you limit the tests, they can test the limits. Of their potential. Inside story is presented by temple university. Remarkable change isnt easy, but for those who take charge, it comes naturally. Explore temples impact. Visit temple. Edu impact. Welcome back to inside story. Time for our insiders inside story. Harold . Well, my inside story is something thats actually very visible. Lets see what happens in the next week or two to governor Chris Christie of new jersey. He said just this week that his job is to make sure that theres a smooth transition in the white house for president elect donald trump. I thought his job was to be governor of new jersey. If it isnt, and if hes vying for a job as chief of staff in the white house, then give up the governorship and let somebody else do the job. Val . Well, the next chapter of pennsylvanias shameful porngate scandal may be coming next week, as acting attorney general beemer announces that hes going to release the maybe thousands of pornographic emails. Josh shapiro is calling for him not to redact those, except for Social Security numbers and other sensitive information, but to give the names as well, so it could be an interesting week next week. Could be explosive. All right. Donna . In these challenging times, and in the city that was founded on tolerance, were lucky to have a mayor that is committed to the protection of constitutional and civil rights for everyone in the city. I think thats gonna matter now more than it ever has. I spoke to the mayor this week. The tone of his remarks were respect for the office and an absolute commitment to the protection of the people that are here. All right, sam, you get the last word. And im gonna pick up on that same theme. In a year in which politics was conducted in the lowest form of incivility that i think any of us have ever seen, hopefully, weve gotten it out of our system. We need to start listening to each other, and we need people to be leaders. And leaders represent a view of the future of the country which they can articulate in policy and words to help the country get together. All right, thats it for us. My thought talk to somebody who thinks differently. Im nydia han along with gray hall. Coming up next on action news, local leaders continue to weigh in on an investigation after black penn students were targeted by racist messiage on a group massaging app. A local veteran shares his story in the making from hislif. Those stories next on action news. Good afternoon it is , november 1 im nydia han along with gray hall. Heres some of the stories were following on action news. The local chapter of naacp speak