big question for the world tonight. thanks for joining us. you can watch us any time, anywhere on cnn go. have a good weekend. see you monday. "ac 360" begins right now. good evening. we begin with more startling headlines from president trump. in just a last four days, he's threatened north korea with fire and fury, said maybe that wasn't enough of a threat. said american forces are locked and loaded and late today he said even more. appearing this morning outside his new jersey golf club, the president went before reporters. when he was over, he raised the possibility of u.s. military action in venezuela and renews his warnings to north korea. >> nobody loves a peaceful solution better than president trump, that i can tell you. hopefully it will all work out. but this has been going on for many years. it would have been a lot easier to solve this years ago before they were in the position that they're in. but we will see what happens. we think that lots of good things could happen, and we
president xi about north korea. that's a critical part of solving the problem with north korea, because china is seen as having some kind of leverage over pyongyang, although they haven't shown a lot of that lately and the president has shown a lot of disappointment. one call the president has not made, from what we understand, he's not spoken with the governor of guam. that is despite the fact that government there in the u.s. territory has been handing out bulletins to the residents on what to do and what not to do in the event of a nuclear blast. so for all these questions we're seeing the president take over the last couple of days, white house officials are telling us the president wants to have his message carried over, other senior officials like the secretary of state and defense secretary and so on. but tonight this message out of the white house that's coming from the white house is continuing to create a lot of uncertainty around the world. >> and despite comments by tillerson and mattis, which are
perhaps more measured or preplanned, the president continues to double and triple down on the comments he made yesterday. >> reporter: absolutely. he's making it very clear to kim jong-un that he's going to go tit for tat when it comes to this kind of belligerent rhetoric. the problem is it's rattiling u.s. allice around the world. russia and china are urging the united states to lower the temperature and the question is whether the president is capable of doing that. he is going to hold a news conference on monday. by guess is, from observing what has transpired over the last couple of days, the white house is seeing some kind of political benefit of the president going out and engaging in this kind of tough talk. so my sense is, we're going to see more of that on monday. >> jim acosta, thank you very much. let's go next to barbara starr for more on north korea and perhaps venezuela. the president was asked if he
ordered change in military readiness. has there been any change that we're aware of? >> reporter: none that we're aware of. in fact, pentagon officials are telling us at this point, no need to send additional forces to the region. that everybody is ready, that they have missile defense on guam that could shoot down the north korean missiles if they come that way. they have ships at sea, troops in south korea always on a high state of alert. so they feel they are ready, that they are ready to defend against a potential missile attack that north korea has laid out, the possibility of, if it were to go beyond that. if the president were to decide to order some type of preemptive attack or something broader, then it would be relooked at, of course. right now, tonight, as we're talking, of course u.s. intelligence keeping a very sharp eye out for any moves by the north koreans towards a missile launch. as of now, they don't see it. >> and there have been no evacuations of military
personnel from the region -- or civilian personnel i should say. >> right. there's no indication of moving civilians off of guam. the guam government, the governor seemed pretty calm about the whole thing, issuing those bulletins, communicating with his citizens on guam. they have a pretty active program there. >> i want to play what the president had to say about venezuela option. >> we have many options for venezuela. this is our neighbor. we're all over the world, and we have troops all over the world in places that are very, very far away. venezuela is not very far away, and the people are suffering, and they're dying. we have many options for venezuela, including a possible military option, if necessary. >> so what's the pentagon saying about this? is military intervention seriously being considered? >> you know, on a friday night in august in washington, this caught the pentagon by more surprise than almost anything
else. they did come up with a statement. so let me read part of that to everybody. a pentagon spokesman telling reporters, i refer you to the white house to characterize the president's statement. the pentagon has not received any orders with regards to venezuela. the military conducts contingency planning for a variety of situations. if called upon, we are prepared to support whole of government efforts to protect our national interests and safeguard u.s. citizens. let's unpack that quickly. there are u.s. citizens in venezuela. if it came to a dire situation, the military always is there to protect u.s. citizens abroad. there's no indication it's at that point right now. but the president may have played directly into the hands of the venezuelan president, president meduro, who is facing stiff opposition, violent opposition in his own country, backed by his own military. president meduro, to put it
politely, has long claimed there will be a u.s. invasion and a u.s.-backed coup attempt against his government. there is a lot of concern tonight that donald trump may have played right into the hands of a very unpopular venezuelan president. >> barbara starr, thank you. i want to bring in our panel. retired general tony tata. peter fever, rick francona, and kimberly dozier. general, what do you make of the fact that despite all the rhetoric coming from the united states, and obviously the very real concern here, that the current u.s. military posturing does not seem to have changed nonessential personnel aren't being recalled from the region. >> right. well, anderson, i think what you're seeing is the very deliberate and synchronized application of the elements of national power against north korea. so you've got military power
that are doing shows of force. we have carrier strike groups going back and forth, airplanes flying over. you have diplomatic powers to get a unanimous security council vote for sanctions against north korea. and you have information power. and the president making a statement, fire and fury and those kinds of things, is a very deliberate and clear message to kim jong-un and north korea. and then when you have the secretary of state and the secretary of defense both saying something similar, the secretary of state being a little more diplomatic, and the secretary of defense being a little more direct but all buttressing what the president said, that's all power information. and just on cnn an hour ago, you had an analyst laying out all of our offensive capabilities and all of our defensive capabilities. i can promise you that the north koreans that have televisions are watching that. because we get this second order
benefit of the president saying hey, we are strong as well. and how many missile tests should we allow north korea to take? how many nuclear weapons should we allow north korea to have and how much threats should we allow against the united states from this rogue regime that's expressing intent and now has the ability to harm our nation. i think the president is right to synchronize these elements of power. as you mentioned, there's been no combatant evacuation or deployment of troops. so right now, i think it's in the application of elements of power stage where we are trying to leave the golden bridge for kim jong-un to walk across into the land of diplomacy. >> do you see a strategy behind the president making a particular kind of comments and then the secretary of state and secretary of defense following it up with -- i don't knoweasur
coming at it from a different angle. >> simplistically you've got a good cop, bad cop scenario going on. but you see the synchronization of the national security team around whatever president trump says. they are learning to use his willingness to use bellicose rhetoric to their advantage, by having tillerson message that there is a way out of this but having mattis back up some of the president's threats, the message is meant to break this log jam in north korea. everything the u.s. has tried to do over the past couple of decades hasn't stopped them from moving forward on nuclear development, nuclear weapons development. the last time we saw some sort of break in this was back in 2003, after george w. bush called them part of the axis of evil, then you saw six-party talks leveraged by china. i think that's what they're
trying to produce right now is enough pressure on beijing that they'll take this so seriously, they go to pyongyang and say, you're running out of chances here. >> peter, how much of the u.s. language on this is, do you think, directed towards china? >> a lot of it. they clearly have a diplomatic strategy, and that requires that china ratchet up the pressure on north korea. i'm not sure i agree with your other guests that they have a cleanly synchronized messaging strategy. i think this white house is still struggling to get everyone singing on the same sheet of music, even if they're singing different parts. and they don't have a ben rhodes kind of figure who in the obama administration delivered talking poichlt points for everyone to speak, that were tightly coordinated. the evidence of that is things like the venezuela comment, which was distracting and then interrupting whatever was the focus of the message on north
korea. >> i've got to agree. maybe it's not synchronization, but they're pivoting a little faster than they have in previous weeks. i think they're getting better at reacting to him, and pretending they planned this all along. >> colonel francona, what's interesting is a lot of the threats that the president has been making is talking about threats. in the previous days, it was north korea shouldn't make any more threats against the u.s., and there were questions like, well, did he mean just rhetorical threats or was it actual action? he now has made it clear that it was -- they shouldn't speak any more threats. and then even today he sort of made it, well, kim jong-un himself should not make any direct threat. >> well, we've seen a whole change in the rhetoric coming out of north korea, as well. i think the rhetoric coming out of the white house, this bellicose rhetoric from the president, followed up by what i consider a very strong message from secretary mattis, and even
the more diplomatic talk from rex tillerson, i think it's had a real impact in pyongyang. we've seen the north koreans react differently to this level of bellicose rhetoric with that -- it wasn't really a threat against guam. it was saying we're developing a plan by which we could strike guam and present that to the commander in chief, if he wants to exercise that. much analogous to the u.s. defense department preparing plans to strike korea, giving the president an option. but we never saw the detail. i think they've been shaken by the rhetoric coming out of washington, and i don't think they know what to make of it. so i think it's had that positive effect. but we have to make sure, and i think not raising the defcon status, not deploying more troops and not evacuating nonessential personnel keeps it a little lower volume. once you see those steps, things
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each time he's kept the rhetoric at the boiling point, whether it's fire and fury or lock and load. today, the president refined his warning, calling out kim jong-un, to letting others speak for him. >> we heard from north korean state tv saying we consider the u.s. no more than a lump which we can beat to a jelly any time. >> well, let me hear -- let me hear others say it. because when you say it, i don't know what you're referring to and who's making the statement. but let me hear kim jong-un say it, okay? he's not saying it. he hasn't been saying much for the last three days. you let me hear him say it. >> back with the panel now. kim, what do you make of that sort of making it personal with kim jong-un? >> making it personal but also pointing out that he hasn't dared speak up in the past couple of days. you've got to wonder if what the u.s. is trying to do, of what
president trump is trying to do is not just message him, but message the elite around him, that they're about 4 million people in north korea who can access smartphones, who can hear the message that president trump is sending out, possibly trying to inspire some sort of a coup. so the fact that kim jong-un doesn't seem to be trying to goad him back means maybe some of his top command, some of his top advisers have gotten to him and said we've got to be careful with this guy. >> it's interesting, colonel -- general tatum, excuse me, it's interesting to hearing from an unofficial response from china basically saying that if -- a message to north korea that if they strike first, that china would not support them in any way. but if the u.s. did, that china would come to their aid. >> well, i think that's china's play here. that's a huge concession on china's part, for them to say if
they strike anywhere in american territory, that china will not stand by their side. and at the same time, a message to us from china, is if we preemptively strike, then they will come to the aid of north korea. i think that's china's perfect place for them, and it's not a bad place for us, because it could keep in check north korea. and i just want to go back to what one of your other panelists said. the last thing this administration needs to do is mirror in any way, shape, or form what the previous administration has done particularly with respect to north korea. this messaging and this synchronization of the elements of national power are what are getting results for the united states right now, and we cannot have the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction as we had in syria with chemical weapons. now we have with nuclear weapons
in north korea. china is the key here, and that's why the president is talking to them right now, and hopefully that china will help us out and put some more pressure on north korea and defuse this and i how for that golden bridge i mentioned earlier. >> peter, do you see china stepping up on this? >> well, i agree with the general, that if they were to do that, that would be the optimal play from our point of view. the problem is that china has never put enough pressure on north korea to put the regime in jeopardy, to put the regime close to the cracking point, which is where we assess they have to be before they would give up their nuclear weapons. and china is reluctant to do that, because they fear the collapse of the kim regime more than they fear nuclear weapons in kim's hands. here's the problem, the president has declared intolerable something we've tolerated for the last ten
years. and he's threatened that the kim regime must not do what has been their principal export for 70 years, which is issue threats. i fear the president is in danger of backing himself in a corner. but if escalating the rhetoric and creating the crisis rattles china that they escalate their economic sanctions on north korea, then we'll see a better outcome going forward. no one wants a war here, including north korea. they don't want a war. so there's a potential for a diplomatic out. >> colonel francona, i've talked to a number of former diplomats who were trying to negotiate with korea and worked on it in the past. i talked to general hayden just yesterday who said look, if there is a military confrontation between the u.s. and north korea, obviously in all the war games that they have rolled out, the u.s. wins. but there's not a lot of great military options. do you agree with that, just from a human life standpoint? >> absolutely.
there are no good military options. you have to have a military option. you have to be prepared to execute it. but that's the last thing you want to do. any military action, no matter what it is, is going to precipitate the destruction of seoul and the ultimate destruction of the north korean government. they know that, everybody knows it, and we all agree no one wants to have a war. but somebody in this equation is going to have to back down or change their position, because if, as peter says, if the president is going to stick to this position that we will not tolerate a nuclear armed north korea with an icbm and the north koreans insist that it's part of their constitution, that they're not going to get rid of their nuclear weapons, all we're doing is kicking the can down the road. i think what's probably going to happen is we're going defuse this diplomatically and be right back where we are and have this same conversation a couple of years from now. coming up, as the rhetoric gets more intense on both sides
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locked and loaded, the rhetoric coming from the american president and the north korean dictator is not exactly the most careful. in "the new york times" today, it was asked have we become so anured to the madness of the trump administration, have we forgotten what it would be like to have a real president handle the crisis. tom, i'm wondering what you thought when you heard the president say if north korea utters one threat, he'll truly regret it. is that a smart line to be drawing? in the days past when the president talked about targeting threati threats, it seemed like mattis and tillerson said it would be attacks against the united states or an ally. the president doubled down saying yes, it's uttering a
threat. >> anderson, when you're dealing with nuclear weapons and an erratic regime like north korea, it seems to me you want to measure every word, because if you are drawing a red line, a red line not only about action but about rhetoric, you want to be extremely precise. not only for the other side, but to protect yourself so you don't have to climb down. and i just find it unnerving that the formulation changes every day, a threat, you know, a different kind of threat, not action but words. it's just not a clear way to do things. >> it's interesting, though, that despite the president's rhetoric, it seems like from all the reporting the u.s. military posture in the region really has not changed. it's not as if u.s. personnel are being withdrawn, it's not as if marines are being loaded onto vessels. nothing seems -- it doesn't seem
to be a war footing. >> yeah, you wonder whether all of the wires are connected here, from the president's lips to our diplomats, to our military people on the ground. and i just worry about -- i don't object, let me simply say, to the president raising the profile of this issue. i think the kascharacter of the issue has changed. north korea, a highly erratic, isolated country is building a missile that can, with a warhead that can hit the united states. it's not tomorrow or next week or next month. but in the next year or two. that changes the strategic equation, and the president doing a little madman act, it's not such a bad thing, as long as it's connected to -- as long as that stick is connected to carrots that the north koreans can bite into and possibly stand down on, and that our allies
would want to get behind. because that's the key thing here. if we're going to keep sanctions on north korea, if we're going to keep the moral high ground here, we need china, south korea, japan at a minimum, but also russia as well. we really want them on our side. that's what i'm a little concerned about here. >> is it possible that the president believes or people around him believe that this sort of madman idea to -- will motivate china to become more involved, will motivate china to use more of its influence? >> you're asking the right question, because i think a lot of this rhetoric is directed more at china than at north korea, or as much at china to act. but i think the chinese have also made their calculation. what the chinese have basically said to themselves is that look, if the north koreans were to launch a missile at the united states or at guam, that would be an act of suicide.
what do we know about the north korean regime? the kim family has been in power three generations. they are homicidal, but they are not suicidal. they're there to survive. at the same time, if the united states unilaterally attacked north korea, it could unleash weaponry on south korea. i think the chinese don't actually believe that the administration would go that far or the north koreans would go that far. so they're trying to nudge both sides towards the center. what i've been advocating, i don't mind the president's rhetoric, and a little madman here, it can be effective. if it's wedded to -- it seems to me a diplomatic overture. which is to say we're ready, if you'll give up your nuclear program and your missile program, we're ready to make peace with you, open an embassy and end the korean war. i would put a clear offer on the table. they won't accept it early on,
but it would certainly give us the moral high ground, the ability to hold south korea, china, russia, and all of asia behind us. because ultimately, we may find that the only solution is simply long-term deterrence and squeezing north korea until something happens. >> it does seem like this is such a change from decades of administration policy, which has been to not have one on one direct confrontation or involvement between the u.s. and north korea. the u.s. always wanted other countries sitting at the table, if there were to be discussions or negotiations. the president is going toe to toe, whether for political or strategic reasons or whatever it is with kim jong-un. trading the same kind of rhetoric. >> what wore yries me is that t chinese have made their calculation that trump is bluffing and that the north koreans aren't going to commit suicide. therefore, the chinese don't
mind seeing america wrapped and the axle of north korea, spending enormous resources to deal with it. that's fine with the chinese. that's why they've kept this alive all these years. putin doesn't mind, either. we have to be very careful. it is -- all the options are bad. but it may be the last bad option is living with a north korea, deterring them and keeping sanctions on until something happens. and just -- maybe it's a coup d'etat, but there can be worse things. as you recall, anderson, we're about the same able. we lived with tens of thousands of russian nukes aimed at us, and thousands of chinese nukes aimed at us under mao. a lot of people thought he was crazy. it's not ideal or preferable,
it's just that all the other alternatives could be a lot, lot worse. >> tom friedman, thank you. coming up, what the white house is saying about the president thanking vladamir putin for throwing out hundreds of american embassy personnel in moscow. today's explanation from the white house maybe didn't help. your big idea... will people know it means they'll get the lowest price guaranteed on our rooms by booking direct on choicehotels.com? hey! badda book. badda boom! mr. badda book. badda boom!
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extolling the virtues of the president's sense of humor. today, press secretary sarah huckabee sanders said the president was being sarcastic in his comments about russia's decision to expel more than 700 american diplomatic staff from moscow. whether the situation calls for sarcasm, you can recall yourself. the expulsions came amid new sanctions for russia that passed the congress by veto proof margins. yesterday, the president was asked about vladamir putin expelling hundreds of u.s. embassy personnel. here's what he said. >> i want to thank him, because we're trying to cut down on payroll. as far as i'm concerned, i'm very thankful that he let go a large number of people, because now we have a smaller payroll. there's no real reason for them to go back. so i greatly appreciate the fact that they've been able to cut the payroll of the united states. we'll save a lot of money. >> before the show, i was joined by former cia intelligence
officer larson and nicholas burns. ambassador burns, yesterday you tweeted about the president's comment saying a shameful statement by president trump. if he was joking, it shows his true character. i'm wondering what you make of the white house responding that he was joking, saying he was being sarcastic. >> you know, here's the president, anderson, who has not defended our country since the russian cyber attack on our election. he was not in favor of the sanctions at all, republicans and democrats were in favor of. he's never criticized what vladamir putin did. he didn't criticize vladamir putin's expulsion of 700 american diplomats. i can't think of any american president who would not defend our country when it was so treated by the russian government. and he hasn't stood up for our diplomats. if he was joking, it was very poor taste and shows his
character. i can tell you this, the people in the state department, the men and women of the state department don't feel they have the respect of their president. and he needs them, he needs them in north korea and russia. he ought to show more respect. >> rolf, i know you served in moscow, these 755 people whose positions were cut by putin, how important a role did they serve? the president says it doesn't matter if they come back, there's no reason to go back. is that true? >> no, it's not, anderson. what's shocking about the president's comments is it reflects or betrays a lack of understanding of how valuable our officers and diplomats are in these emba sisssies abroad, just moscow. also all the other members of the country team that are part of this complicated and important post overseas. and by the way, anderson, the men and women who defend america on our front lines, not just the u.s. mill stair personnel, of course, we all respect them
greatly. but all the other personnel serving in embassies across the world, have to be wondering if the president has their back. >> ambassador, when u.s.-russia relations are at this low, doesn't it just increase the importance of having a large american diplomatic presence in russia? >> well, it does. i think we're at our lowest moment with the russian government since the end of the cold war. you might have to go back to the mid 80s before gorbachev took over the soviet union to find a time when there was so much distrust between moscow and the united states. president trump doesn't talk about diplomacy. he's never honored the foreign service. he was dismissive of them yesterday. so it would really behoove him to plug into the state department. >> rolf, to the ambassador's point, the president seems to put a lot of stock in the military, obviously. and obviously it's incredibly important. but most military personnel will
say look, we need diplomats or our jobs will become exponentially more difficult. >> that's absolutely right, anderson. i couldn't agree more with nick who had such a distinguished career in the state department. and behalf of all of our men and women serving overseas right now, this is a time when it's important, not just for the president but the american people to understand the roles they're playing. they're serving in many places like moscow and other places that are real hardships and advancing u.s. foreign policy interests. they're our front lines, just like the u.s. military. it's important for the president to recognize that. >> ambassador, i always try to walk in someone else's shoes or look at things from a different angle. any strategic reason why the president of the united states would have avoided directly criticizing vladamir putin to the extent that this president has? i mean, you know, you really can't find examples of him
criticizing vladamir putin where you can find him criticizing mitch mcconnell, jeff sessions, other world leaders. >> no, i think he the weakest president he eve hwe've had tow moscow in my time. what putin respects is power, he respects toughness, he respects people who speak their mind. and president trump has been nothing like that. i don't think that the president is putting us in a strong position vis-a-vie russia. of course we want to have an open channel to putin. we have to talk to him about north korea, about afghanistan, about iran, about our nuclear weapons standoff with the russians. but you also have to exact a price when putin crosses a line like hacking our election. so i think it's been entirely misguided, and i hope he listened to rex tillerson and jim mattis. i think they have a much more realistic sense of how to work effectively with the russians.
>> appreciate your time. thank you. >> thank you. the president's not criticized vladamir putin, but he has been going after the top republican in the senate, mitch mcconnell. today was no different. we'll tell you what the president said and has many republican senators rallying around mcconnell. xiidra is the first and only eye drop approved for both the signs and symptoms of dry eye. one drop in each eye, twice a day. common side effects include eye irritation, discomfort or blurred vision when applied to the eye, and unusual taste sensation. don't touch container tip to your eye or any surface. remove contacts before using xiidra and wait at least 15 minutes before reinserting. chat with your eye doctor about xiidra.
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for the third straight day, the president went after senator mitch mcconnell in what's turning into a one-sided spat. no comment from the senator, who isn't taking the bait. still, president trump took another dig at mcconnell with the difficulty of passing health care reform. >> a number of senators have rushed to the defense of senator mitch mcconnell. what do you make of that -- >> i don't make anything of that. we should have had health care approved. he should have known he had a couple of votes that turned on him, and that should have been very easy to handle. whether it's through the fact that you take away a committee chairmanship or do whatever you have to do. but what happened last week is unacceptable. >> to the president's critics, it's not clear what these comments accomplish. joining me now, my panel.
aman amanda, does it make sense for the president to go after mcconnell? >> yeah, for once i think donald trump has the right target. now, do i agree with a lot of what donald trump is doing stylistically? no. but mitch mcconnell is an obstacle towards >> for a long time, the trumps of the world, demonized paul ryan and put a lot of blame in the long place. now we're seeing paul ryan, pass bills and tried to go to the white house and make these things work, especially when it comes to health care and then it goes to die in the senate. well, that is not really going to work. and for a long time, mitch mcconnell has gotten away with not saying anything, letting other people take the blame and now donald trump sees, yes, is donald trump to blame for not passing obamacare repeal. yes. but can he pit mitch mcconnell against him because he is the
establishment of everything the trump campaign worked to disrupt in his election. so donald trump has the right target and as long as mcmcconnell powers away. donald trump will win. >> senator sand or u-- santorum agree? >> no. trump is prodding mitch mcconnell and the entire senate. he is committed to getting the health care bill done and he feels let down. not just by mcconnell but also by paul ryan. he trusted both leaders to put together a bill he didn't together and said give me a bill to sign. and this is paul ryan's bill that mcconnell had and he tried to tweak it and he told the president up until the very last day and he thought he a plan b. that he thought could work and the president feels let down and
he will continue to prod them as he should to get back to the table and get a bill passed. and i could tell you they are working on it at the white house. there is an effort which i'm going on which i'm very ken aau -- very encouraged by because that is the most important thing in the agenda. >> but the president ran on repealing an replacing. he could have come up with a plan. >> you would expect a president to have a plan instead of outsourcing it to somebody else. but i'm going to defend mitch mcconnell here tonight. number one, president trump has one substantial agenda, part of his legacy, only one big thing and that the neal gorsuch, but guess what, mcconnell had more to do with that happening than donald trump did. so let's talk about this health care bill. when mcconnell was having a hard time getting 51 votes to has health care. how was donald trump helping him. let's go back.
it feels like it was an eternity ago but it wasn't that long ago. here is what donald trump was doing in the run up to the big health care bill, he was attacking jeff sessions, a former u.s. senator and hired anthony scaramucci and threatening the fbi on the chief of staff and delivering a speech to the boy scouts of america they had to apologize for and on top of that donald trump was attacking people like lisa murkowski, a republican senator. so threatening her. this is how donald trump, think i he is the one we to blame. >> and every republican congress has an interest in advancing the legislative goals and even more so donald trump's outrageous comments actually provide cover for them to get this kind of stuff done. listen, there is a lot of people in washington who are all talk and no action. mitch mcconnell for far too long has been no talk and no action
and at every opportunity he lowers the bar for expectations. if you look into republican who were taking back majority. mcconnell said the bar for victory would be returning to regular order and no government shut down. that is the bear minimum. meanwhile huge opportunities like being able to tie spending reform to the debt ceiling increase. he's failed every single time. so donald trump has all of the reason in the world to expect more from mitch mcconnell and you will notice mcconnell did not return fire and he will not engage because he only cares about staying in power himself and he goes to his other republican senators, respond for me and goes out to paul ryan and he said he will. and will donald trump make mitch mcconnell resign at majority leader. probably not because he has support in the senator. but he need to provide some is explanation as to why something isn't getting done.
>> and mr. santorum, does it in terms -- i'm not talking about obamacare, but just on other legislative things in the future, resentment, concern about other soirenators that th president didn't have their back. does have any ripple effect. >> i don't think any senator watching donald trump expects him to have their back if they cross him. i think that is pretty evident, that it is an every man for himself when testimonies cou-- o the president. and disagreements with him. look, i think the most important thing the president is doing here is trying to refocus -- and mitch mcconnell said we're moving on to tax reform and i could tell you, the president doesn't want to move on to tax reform. he wants to get a bill done. and i think that is really -- i understand there may be all of the other things going on, but this president understands how important this is. i know members of congress and i'm hearing from them who are back home who are hearing it
loudly and clearly that they are not happy that they weren't able to get this done. the president i'm sure getting that same feedback and trying to keep everybody focuses and that is a good thing. >> and you have to say, mcconnell has done a job of cultivating this image in washington that he's a legislative genius but he is man behind the curtain not getting anything done and donald trump has every reason to say send me a bill, there is no excuses. >> we have to take a break. when we come back, trump doubling down on his rhetoric and the latest for the nuclear warned country next. where's gar? 'saved money on motorcycle insurance with geico. goin' up the country. later, gary' i have a motorcycle! wonderful. ♪ ♪ i'm goin' up the country, baby don't you wanna go? ♪ ♪ i'm goin' up the country, baby don't you wanna go? ♪ geico motorcycle,
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he was able to fire thousands of shots, dozens of volleys, that's what they are saying, he had high-powered weapons to do that. the s.w.a.t. team didn't actually enter the room for 72 minutes but they are saying after nine or 11 minutes, the gunfire stopped. it was deemed nothing more than a barricade, that's why the eight s.w.a.t. team waited so long. the understanding is after that nine to 11 minutes, the gunman turned the weapon on himself. he had three cameras in the room, we've been talking about this all day long. what we didn't know his two of the cameras were outside in the hall including one that that was actually hooked up to way service car from the hotel. the third camera was inside the hotel room but it was on the peephole looking down the hallway. there are a port saying this guy tried to film himself not true. all he was concerned about where the police officers and the teams coming down that hallway. he wanted to be notified of
that. we also learned that they haven't found it so far some 47 different weapons in the hotel, in his house in mesquite in the house in reno. the big news of the news conference is in the hotel, of the 23 weapons they found, there were 12 bump stops, those are the pieces that you attach onto these weapons that actually turn the trigger into an automatic firing -- it doesn't alter the gun itself but it means the trigger can fire automatically, guns can then shoot off between 40800 rounds per minute. imagine having a dozen of these in the room at the same time. they also showed us some body camera footage from police officers who were down on the ground in the concert area. i want you to look at this video because this is the officers telling people where to go, listen if you will for a few seconds on them being able to try to decipher where the gunshots are coming from.
something so meticulous, so many extra weapons over the course of so many days? >> let me add one more factor, in his car they found ammonium nitrate which is a key ingredient for a bomb. ammonium nitrate was the big weapon inside the u-haul. they found that in his car. the cache of weapons and the ammunition, they said he could have a fire hours. on top of these windows to actually get a better view down on the crowds, two separate windows broken out and two of them were as different angles so they could methodically get different angles on the crowd to kill as many people as possible. if the gun is jammed or if it got overheated he's able to grab another fully loaded weapon and then start shooting again. 12 of them, he could have fired and fired and fired for maybe an hour or longer with the ammunition he had to. he was set for a lot more destruction that it actually resulted in.
>> brian: one of the first people we heard from who knew him was his brother, 90 years old he had no idea about this. in his 43 guns he collected them over 20 years. this is his brother, doesn't he know guy has at least 43 guns over the course of 20 years? he said i saw one handgun i never even saw him interested in guns. >> if the brother didn't know or says he didn't know, maybe he didn't, he lived in florida and the gunman lived here, he knew he was a hunter he knew he had some guns come i didn't know he had that many guns print it brings you to the girlfriend, she lived with him in the home in mesquite. they shared a home up in reno, there was a home in mesquite, texas. she had to have known the guns existed, ammonium nitrate found in his car. there had to be some understanding that this was a heavily loaded man and what was his intention, it brings you full-circle to exactly who knew
what. it was this thing planned elaborately and it just didn't go as planned, or was this the initial plan and he just kind of got scared and pulled it off in a hurry. nobody quite knows what the initial plan was and if this was the ultimate plan that he had in mind. >> brian: i have two experts standing by, much of which is new, before you go -- what about these pictures that emerged in the philippines of 2012 and 2013, they looked very authentic i understand. tens of thousands of dollars is going to the philippines, evidently $100,000 went to the philippines, we cannot say too sure if it went to her, where's it going? >> that was the question, that was brought up for police. they know the transfers were made, they know the money was sent. the assumption was that was sent to the girlfriend but nobody really knows.
that's the whole thing, were trying to figure out the origin, try to figure out who is receiving the money. the assumption was that the girlfriend but they can't really nail that down. right now what they're doing is they're taking all of the electronics out of the house, all of the computer hard drives, they are scouring those right now hoping that will give them some idea of who he's been talking to and who he's been in communication with, not just in the past few weeks but the past few months or years, give them a better idea to build a profile or find out exactly what was happening, why was the money going over there and was there some kind of nexus to what happened here on sunday night. >> brian: almost 48 hours since the incident happened and we have so many fundamental questions, i sense that still breaking news all throughout the week, there's so much mystery involved in this, thanks so much, live from las vegas. now let's bring in to discuss this at a higher level, jim
hansen the president of the security studies group. he's excellent as is counterterrorism expert aaron cohen. first off, we heard about another report to "the daily beast" is running, the sky actually rented hotel rooms outside another concert, perhaps he was going to perpetrate this horrible incident on september 28th instead of having it on sunday night. what do you take from that? >> that hasn't been corroborated yet but it's interesting, could it have been a dry run, did he go to this potentially and lose his nerve? where in this doesn't play into, when the girlfriend leaves -- is he somewhat free from any earthly concerns? what pushed him over the edge? at this point we don't have any ideology, we don't have any massive life event or anything that would normally trigger it.
was it just some sort of psychotic break? all of those things play into it and what brought him into that hotel room overlooking a country music festival where "the daily beast" report had it overlooking a pop and rap festival. there is no way to tell was he targeting one kind of crud or anything else. it's painful to not have any real information as to what this guy was up to. >> brian: i want to do it with experts like yourself, isis doubled down and said he's our guy. they do have a huge presence in the philippines. if i'm putting you on the case, do you rule out them playing a role? >> i wouldn't rule them out, especially when you're dealing with a group like isis and what it comes to fundamentally dealing with potential terror, you have to keep everything on the table and then start pulling it out backwards. pulling them away and say no, no, no, i wouldn't rule out isis. but i also would continue to harness my focus on everything
we do know right now. the sense that i'm getting and if i was profiling this particular individual, to thwart potential terror attacks. what we do know is he was a loner. we do know he was with a girl, he was divorced. the place was a specific reason which was up in this hotel to open fire. cameras mounted outside. he turned the gun on himself and killed himself, he fits all of the how -- if you will -- regarding a mass killer in the sense that he was methodical and isolated. what we don't know as jim pointed out eloquently, we don't have the how. i think we're going to see in a very short period of time, once
we get that girlfriend down and start downloading the forensics on that computer and those phones and tracing the money, we're going to start to get a much clearer picture over the next we are of the why. >> brian: evidently he went to a local starbucks in mesquite and multiple workers said he treated his girlfriend horrendously, they used to wince when he had conversation and embarrass her publicly. something i know you put together if isis wasn't involved in terror groups that don't have a role, they are watching, watching the response, they're watching the reaction, does that were you? there's no substantiation for that other than them, they compared it to a time that they shut down the russian helicopter and all the media says this
wasn't them until they put out the proof later in their magazine. if they could be recruiting 64-year-old white guys, how much more horrifying that was then bearded guys named mohammed, we would never know who the bad guy is. if they're working at whether or not there's any reality. his father was a bank robber who escaped from prison and actually hit out for a number of years. the idea that this guy was a loner, off the grid, we don't know a lot about them because of that. >> brian: how much would you like to question his girlfriend, already spoken to the fbi? she is from australia, spent some time in hong kong, japan, and the philippines. you've got to recreate all of her locations, correct?
>> i wouldn't have even waited for her to come back, i would've been in the philippines with a task force sitting her down on foreign soil. directing a very targeted interrogation designed specifically around science which would be to read and calibrate based on her body language, i would be looking for every potential tell from the eyes dilating to whether the palms were facing towards me or away from me, to work her arms were placed, to the tone of her voice. dilating and bisecting that information and cross referencing that with every piece of data she's given in the interview to track down exactly whether or not she knew what her boyfriend was up to. ultimately she does or she doesn't, the whole thing is very fishy. i believe were going to see some very interesting things unfold regarding this case. >> brian: we can't analyze until we know what happened, 48 hours later we still don't know what happened. we've got to have your back, same team, keep in mind the
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>> brian: here's what we have right now, let's talk a little politics. hillary clinton is using the las vegas massacre to speak out about gun violence where she's casting blame on the g.o.p. and the nra. >> do you feel like they're complicit, the g.o.p. and the nra, and the gun epidemic were seeing in america? >> of course they are, this is nothing that you are on a unadulterated greed by people who want to sell as many guns as they can to engage in a fear and rhetoric about why everyone has to have guns. >> brian: states police who triumphantly returned to the capital last week, after being shot in june, struggling to save
his own life, had this to say about a gun issue with an exclusive interview with martha maccallum about two hours ago. >> inevitably questions about the second amendment are raised by what happened in las vegas. it happens almost immediately. have you, in your experience of your own, and what you saw in las vegas, as it changed how you feel about any of that? >> it's fortified that, you have to recognize that when there is a tragedy like this, the first thing we should be thinking about is praying for the people who were injured and doing whatever we can do to help them, to help law enforcement. we shouldn't first be thinking about promoting our political agenda. >> brian: he doubled down on how he feels about guns, joining us to react, jason chief it's is always on the move and a former chairman of the house oversight committee, fox news contributor. we also have with us richard goodstein a democratic strategist. do you think it's appropriate to
talk about gun violence now? many say if you want to change things now is the time to do it while the focus is on it. >> at this point in time when we talk about saying prayers, about pausing, in the house of representatives, you had two democrats from massachusetts that wouldn't even join the rest of the body and taking a moment of silence to recognize the victims, that's how disgusting this debate is already. hillary clinton is trying to be relevant, she's not afraid of she wants to take away your gun guns, divide this nation injecting herself into the story, it's just absolutely disgusting. when you have people in the hospital fighting to save their lives. >> brian: you don't have the leaders in congress doing that, chuck schumer is not taking that stance and neither is nancy pelosi. does it surprise you that hillary clinton wants to put her two cents in while people are still struggling to survive?
>> i don't remember jason or any of his colleagues criticizing donald trump for calling for a muslim man exactly after the san bernardino event. that was not very sympathetic to the victims, that was trying to push an agenda right on the heels of a tragedy. one other question, all of these people who are saying now is not the time, now is the time we should be feeling sympathy, the dunk gun debate should be later. tell me which one mr. chairman, which one of your colleagues announced a time after some gun incident like this, now is the time period of you cannot point to one because the fact is the nra is calling the shots. if it wasn't for the nra. >> don't look into the camera and tell us -- i've got five guns and nobody is taking my guns away, nobody. don't get out there and tell me, don't tell me that the nra pulls my strings or anybody else's. if you have a direct evidence,
but that's it. >> here's the evidence, 90% of the public supports universal background checks, let's do a thought experiment. would we have background checks? >> brian: you know what's fascinating about this conversation, a background check when i left stopped this guy, there's nothing in his background. he was able to get guns legally. if you want to make it semiautomatic to automatic, that means a ban of automatic weapons, people have already been four, it's already been through. if you want to to a debate on assault a lot of the things that people have been brought up already have not been part of the case as we know it. if you saw the first block we had of the show, there's still so much we don't know. >> that's one of the great mysteries here, to be this far away from it, 48 hours and still not know the motive -- i think that is different from san bernardino. we did have direct evidence pretty quickly.
we are very concerned that people are coming into this country and not knowing their background. i'm still concerned about that to this day. we don't fully understand this story and i do believe they have some very direct theories that they aren't sharing with the public yet, let them do their job. i will engage in the debate, i do think there are things to talk about as it relates to mental health and other types of things. don't prescribe a solution if you don't know what the problem is. >> there are mental health problems and every other country on this planet and none of them have the gun violence that we d do. we've had more gun deaths since 1970 then in every war the u.s. has been involved with since the revolutionary war. >> spend time in chicago because they have a huge problem too. look at what's going on there.
>> brian: nationwide gun violence is down it's almost cut in half. i do think we should approach something in a levelheaded way to see if we can stop the next thing. nobody is pro-mass shooting but i wasn't shocked not just that hillary clinton and others, late-night hosts were talking about in 10 minutes to very popular politicians immediately sang nra and republicans and indicating they are complicit. i was stunned by that as if democrats are responsible for that crazy guy that was shooting republicans at that softball field which we know is also not the case, thanks guys. the power of prayer at a time of tragedy. a prominent pastor who knows the right way through this horrible situation will be joining us next. i accept i take easier trails than i used to. i even accept i have a higher risk of stroke due to afib, a type of irregular heartbeat not caused
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>> brian: reporting on the latest, the girlfriend of the killer is heading back to america, she is a person of interest and were supposed to get new information there. in this time of tragedy, many have turned to prayer as a way of coping with the crisis including the president of the united states. joining us to discuss this how religious leaders should respond to this is someone who wrote a book about it, he is pastor robert jeffers. his book is out, it's excellent, a place called heaven. can you possibly find a way to make sense of evil like this, evil that we can't even figure out a motive to yet? >> i think we have to avoid pat answers to question like this but what we can say with absolute certainty is what the bible says with certainty. first of all, evil is a reality, the president touched on that yesterday. jesus talked about at 2,000 years ago. he said satan is real, he's the
author of evil, he's a liar and a murderer. even though evil is real and the stranglehold on the world is real, it's also temporary. the great hope in the bible is the one day the lord is going to return, he's going to defeat evil and that hope of heaven is powerful enough to extinguish the horrors of las vegas. >> brian: 58 families wondering why their son, daughter, husband or wife is dead because they wanted to go see a country music concert and when they hear there's evil in the world, that's not good enough, what do you say to that? >> a few years ago my wife and i are driving out in the middle of west texas and our headlights went out and i thought how in the world are we going to make it home? we got behind an 18-wheeler and was focused in on the tail lights that 18-wheeler and doing so let us safely home.
i would say to anyone who is going through a storm in their life, their are some truths we can focus on. number one, god is love and he is good, we know that. he is all-powerful, all wise, he is having a plan, even though we don't understand that immediately. ultimately, god is going to defeat evil. the pain we feel is real but it's also temporary. if we focus on those things we know to be true, those truths will see us through the storm and delivers to the other side. >> brian: we wrote a book about that, it would help situations like this make more sense. it's called a place called heaven, a pathway to victory. thanks so much. coming up straight ahead, the late-night comics diving headfirst into the gun control debate. will their support cross a line with viewers
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world where there are people who would put a gun before your lives. >> the sky had ten of them in his room apparently legally, at least some of them were there legally, i don't know why our so-called leaders continue to allow this to happen. >> i don't think it should be so easy for one demented person to kill so many people so quickly. >> obama's executive order, or a better answer. reinstate the assault weapons ban or come up with a better answer, anything but nothing. doing nothing is cowardice. >> just be honest and tell us, this is how it is, this is how it will continue to be, instead of saying this is of the time to talk about it, just say were never going to talk about it. >> gun violence should not be a staple of american life. some say it's too early to talk about gun control. for those victims last night it's far too late.
>> brian: james gordon should know there was a backpack bomb that blew up the up the ariannn date concert, they had to get special cops to suppress them, bounced throughout france, spain, canada, all due to different domestic terror opportunities and an angler that's going crazy with over five attacks. joining us right now to analyze should wait late-night comics be weighing in on offense, one of the hosts of the blaze lawrence jones and in washington, kerry sheffield. do you lawrence, are you okay with people on late-night television doing something that's not usual, it's telling us how to think and offer their opinions on comedy shows. >> i'm not too happy about it especially considering that i feel like there's this effort to disarm americans. i'm comfortable in the state of texas because i know when i go to my movie theater that i can carry my gun where there could
be potentially some type of terror attack. it seems like these late-night hosts have an agenda, they want to disarm us all. it's typically a time when we would have these -- we would come together as a country, they are more concerned with their political agenda. >> brian: younger audience, not nearly as big as it used to be it used to be nbc and everybody else until letterman split off. do you think they are doing the responsible thing sounding off and giving their opinion? >> our hearts are with the victims in las vegas but this is a responsible. if you have a public platform you do need to have both sides, that's what they like to say they believe in and nuance. this is not nuance, insanity is doing the same thing over and over again. gun violence should not be a staple of american history, it is a recent thing. it's a recent thing because our society, our fabric, our culture, we used a value virtue, we used a value life, liberty
and the pursuit of happiness and the constitution. the constitution explicitly says we have a right to bear arms and protect ourselves. what happens is the shooter and all the other mass shooters reject virtue. >> brian: they all have the same point of view, jimmy fallon gets in trouble for ratings but they all despise president trum president trump, they mock him endlessly where you can't even find the humor it's just a point of view. in this situation, if not now, when? can we find out what happened, kent how he passed his background check and where we go from here? >> not just that but they don't talk educated -- with an educated view about guns, they don't know what an automatic or a semiautomatic guns is but they have these talking points about this issue. it comes to a point now where we have to start pushing back on this agenda. we need peace in this country and we need the second amendment
to protect ourselves but these guys don't care about it. many of these people, i know this is not pc but many of these people weren't born in this country, they don't know what we went through, they don't know what we went through as a nation. as a black man in america, it took the second amendment, we didn't just become free, it took the second amendment to fight off the oppression that was happening, it took white and black folks to fight against them. >> brian: everyone wants a solution, i'm watching the vietnam series and johnny carson after a horrific day in vietnam, says were not going to do the tonight show tonight and i'm going to toss it to my news division. in times of horror, maybe the responsible thing is to throw at 22020 and not keep it on jimmy kimmel.
>> i 100% agree with president trump and calling out the hypocrisy of fake news, presenting themselves as experts and people they should take seriously. you pointed out this monster who perpetrated these attacks passed the rigorous background checks. he passed background checks in multiple states. the it's not about that, it's about reconstituting our national fabric and saying we believe in virtue, we believe that character matters. if you talk about character, those late-night characters down in hollywood, they will make fun of you and say that you are wacko over a year religious nut job. how about we talk about that? >> what legislation if the liberal's could name one thing that we could have done to prevent this. i'm all ears. >> 48% of the country says they own a gun in the home. >> brian: over the last eight
years, gun purchases have been up to 50%, overall gun violence is down significant labor it everyone wants a solution, nobody wants to tolerate this. i think people should stop blaming and we can at least get the facts out, great conversation, thanks so much. president trump visiting puerto rico, former campaign manager cory lewandowski joins us to analyze the president and the challenges he has had to face over the last seven months. rodney and his new business.
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cares. amid the ongoing attacks from democrats who have been charged the administration moving much slower to deal with the crisis in puerto rico to deal with the responses in texas, florida, louisiana. 90 and 95 residents of puerto rico are still without power, some struggling to find potable water he jokes that puerto rico's troubles had thrown the federal budget out of whack. the president quickly added that was fine because the government has saved lives, even talk of saving lies cause controversy, the president caused the death toll, now jumped over 30, not as bad as the over 800 death after katrina a comment he tried to clarify with an interview with geraldo rivera. >> president trump: if you look at one statistic, 16 deaths is a far too many debts, if you look at katrina in the
thousands, this is a storm the likes of which nobody has ever seen. we had fema before the storm even came, they were on the island and they were on the island during the first term, they got hit by two hurricanes. were very proud of the job we've done. >> mr. president, enough, stop bleeding puerto rico for the store the that devastated their shores, i don't remember the president telling texas the budget was out of whack. >> i'm not-so-subtle shot at san juan mayor carline cruz who the president shook hands with t they had a war of words over the weekend. as for the mayor's claims of a week a federal response, defense secretary james madison said there are now about 10,000 u.s. troops on the ground in puerto rico, an astonishing number.
>> brian: thanks for the recap, politics as usual even when it comes to hurricanes. karl rove was on with martha maccallum today where he didn't exactly have glowing reviews for president trump's trip to puerto rico. >> i don't think that he did anywhere near as well as he did yesterday when he was talking about las vegas, i thought his remarks on las vegas were extraordinary. he showed an unnecessary sensitivity to the criticism over the federal effort here. >> brian: cory lewandowski, karl rove was saying it was one of the best speeches that president trump ever gave a couple of days ago. is he right in saying he made some mistakes in puerto rico? >> the federal government and the trump administration have been all in in puerto rico just as they have been in texas when it's come to florida, the full weight of the government is there. they have set in the government has agreed whatever they need, the trump administration is going to provide.
this is a mainstream media, this is a liberal left agenda that they want to perpetuate that says the president isn't doing everything he can to help the people of puerto rico, that's just not true. he and melania trump where they are today to show and to demonstrate the full resolve of the u.s. government is supporting the of puerto rico. >> brian: the death toll climbed up to 34 today, he did have those meetings he does relate to people one-on-one. he wins people over who might be on the fence because of the sincerity he brings to the tabl table. he's got another challenge and is tomorrow. go out to las vegas a city he loves in a place that he knows and try to make sense of it. what advice would you have for the president if you were by his side tomorrow? >> the tragedy in las vegas is incomprehensible for any administration at what he has shown and what he has demonstrated, he's going to go there tomorrow, he's going to talk to the people, talk to the
loved ones who lost people in that terrible tragedy and make sure that the people on the ground some of the first responders are going to have all the resources that they need to make sure the federal government is acting in such a way that ensures this is not a lone gunman incident, all of the resources of the government will be there. this is very critical, the president has said whatever the resources are that are necessary to make sure that las vegas is a safe and secure, the federal government will be able to provide those. >> brian: bill clinton changed around his administration after oklahoma, heartfelt comments. george bush after a divided country thought he was an illegitimate president, got 90% approval rating after the way he handled 9/11 on top of that fire truck, does president trump have the same opportunity? >> he says, if you look at the tragedies of the country, this
terrible tragedy the president is a uniter, is not a divider, he's bringing people together. he's entering people that people from all political parties whether it's republican, democrat, independent have the resources that they need to be successful. that's what the president does best, that's what he's going to las vegas tomorrow. >> brian: cory lewandowski sticking around, we'll talk about that visit what's at stake, also update you on the unfolding investigation as his girlfriend comes back from the philippines, should be in america tomorrow. she's got a lot of explaining to do, don't go anywhere. huh! we gotta go. come on. ♪ "grandma! grandpa!" ♪
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end of the statement en route to puerto rico has some worried that the president is going to get caught up with chuck and nancy when it comes to guns. let's bring in campaign manager corey lewandowski who knows the president as well as anyone. especially in unscripted situations like that. people on the right i think the president will be caught up in this and not take a quick look -- a look at gun laws. if they are worried, do they have a right to worry? >> brian, i know the president very, very well. i was a first responder. i was a police officer. i understand the terrible tragedy that has taken place in nevada, but look, this is not a reactionary thing. there is no law that would have been on the books that prevents insane people, crazy people from doing terrible, terrible things. we can make every law we want in the world, and that does not stop people from going out and doing crazy things. so, look, this person that we
understand, that we know of, purchased every firearm illegally, he had no criminal record. he is a 64-year-old individual who had no predisposition of committing a terrible tragedy. you can pass all the laws you want in the world, it is not going to make a difference paid when it comes to the issue of gun control, you cannot stop people who are mentally deranged from doing terrible things. >> brian: the fat that he brought that up, he is saying, i'm not shutting off the left to be alt-right, because this ie together. we will look at if this is preventable, i think it is arrogant to say, i'm not looking at that. that cannot be the case. it is a unifying statement, but i was shocked about how many conservative websites were saying, oh, my goodness, the president is abandoning the gun. >> there is no abandoning the gun. he has conceal and carry licenses in the state of new york. one of the hardest states in the country to do that. i'm sure he does not carry a
weapon anymore, but he has a license because he went through the proper process. the differences it is very simple. when you legislate and you make laws for people who are following those laws, the criminals do not follow laws. to this individual actually had all of the guns legally, what we understand. so you can make all the laws you want, it does not stop a mentally deranged person from perpetuating and perpetrating a crime like this, an absolute disaster. >> brian: the president will be on the ground tomorrow in las vegas. he will see how bad it is and what this assassin was all about. corey lewandowski, thank you so much for the quality time. have a great night. meanwhile, i have to tell you that you can catch me tomorrow on "fox & friends" against geraldo herrera who did in an exclusive interview. we have more on that. also on my radio show on 9:00- 9:00-noon, the brian kilmeade show. and with my guests jorge
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testimony. kristin fisher is live with martha hamilton longest have two hand over all of these documents? >> they say that jared kushner has about one week but his attorney says that there are no missing documents. he's also accusing the committee of taking their complaints the media first before alerting jared kushner or his legal team to these alleged missing documents. the biggest one has to do with wikileaks. and to that, jared kushner is a a quote - mr. kushner had no contact with the organization along with others forwarded an email that has been widely reported and disseminated. there is no new new document concerning mr. kushner. they insist that the documents that jared kushner already handed over are incomplete. and they notice because of the emails that other campaign officials have turned over. so jared kushner clearly in a little bit of hot water
tonight. but this is also a pretty big week for the attorney general, jeff sessions. he was on capitol hill testifying on tuesday and just last night, is making a pretty big joke about it at an event in dc. listen to this. >> before i get started here, any russians? [laughter] anybody been to russia? [laughter] a cousin in russia or something. >> clearly the attorney general hasn't lost a sense of humor despite all of the congressional investigations and special counsel indictments. >> the results are renewed friction if you would like to call it that between the president and hillary clinton. where is this latest coming from?>> this all stems from two interviews that hillary clinton did yesterday.
in those interviews, she did two things.first she defendant senator franken for apologizing and admitting he did something wrong after the picture came out. but she attacked the president for not apologizing and for not admitting that he had done something wrong when he had his own issues of alleged sexual misconduct which he has and the white house, have continued to dispute. within the danger she did that really got under the presidents skin was, she questioned the legitimacy of his victory last november. listen here. >> i think that there are lots of questions about his legitimacy and we do not have a method for contesting that. in our system. that is why i have long advocated for independent commission to get to the bottom of what happened. >> president trump fired back this morning on twitter by saying this, crooked hillary clinton is the worst and
make him disqualified for the senate seat. >> roy moore has lies and lies and lies. he has not done anything but the point of the matter is his policies are hurtful. his recent actions were hurtful years ago and powerful and still -- the woman that impacted. >> today doug jones hosted a fish fry in birmingham we tried to keep the focus on what he is calling kitchen table issues. i had a chance to ask joyce today if he is in fact an ultraliberal which roy moore supporters have accused him up and he laughed. [laughter] >> that is pretty absurd! that is their only hope. look, they're in desperation mode right now. you're trying to flip stuff
blessed her for the comments calling her a hypocrite and a political opportunist. trying to capitalize at a potential run for president in 2020. >> what really was curious to me, is why she didn't, what she didn't say. not what she did say. she did not go on and say i wish i had said something earlier. i regret not saying something earlier. >> and senator gillibrand having accepted endorsements, campaign funding and support for many many years, to turn on president clinton, boy, i think there is a special place in hell for people like that. >> several of bill clinton's four accuses also are not buying this changing to and from gillibrand and others who attacked clinton's accusers when they came forward. >> is a little too late for
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they say one officer was shot after a traffic stop involving suv which led to a foot pursuit. at some point, shopper five. brian shaw was shot in the caster he tried to sit up but left gasping for air as fellow officer tried to help them.he states the hospital but was pronounced dead shortly after this afternoon rest is that they received new tips. >> we appreciate the phone calls, we have had a multitude of people call in. we encourage the phone calls to continue. we have not had anything that i would construe as that information. we appreciate everyone calling. we are doing everything we can to follow the leads. >> officers accompanied the body of the officer brian shaw as a hurst moves his remains in the medical examiner's to a funeral home. this photo taken by local mother five weeks ago shows the officer with a little boy that received toy handcuffs and
wanted to see the officers will handcuffs. he spent some time with the little boy. the mother writing on facebook about the officer quote - we need more of them. there is a $40,000 reward being offered for anyone with information on a lead to the arrest. >> was also a profession for the other officer today. >> yes, they lined up in two lines as they moved him from the medical examiner. there's a possibility he was killed by his own gun. the 43-year-old detective was conducting a follow-up investigation on a triple homicide when he confronted someone suspicious in a vacant lot and was shot in the head. two of the nations finest killed this week, the manhunt continues. detective suter, a husband and father five rushed to the hospital and died on thursday. >> why is this continuing mac that is the question we have to ask ourselves. these people, men and women are risking their lives to protect us.
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has already given the senate version of tax reform a green light. but some gop lawmakers are pumping the brakes.they say they are not 100 percent on board just yet. that is a slow down by republicans to get this done before christmas. we have more from washington. >> the senate finance committee passed its version of tax reform late thursday night. now senate majority leader mitch mcconnell is able to get to the floor after thanksgiving.the question now, can he get it through? it is almost every republican to do it. and today, he is missing about six. but they are not solid no's. bob corker, john mccain and jeff flake are concerned it will add to the deficit.susan collins and rand paul also have major concerns. no democrats are expected to vote yes. >> we certainly are very confident we will get the package past and would love to see some of the democrats come on board and support this
historic piece of legislation. >> you have a democrats in the house has appertaining to the senate? >> there's always hope." bills the corporate tax rate from 35 to 25 percent and give individuals tax cuts for the senate version also repeals individual mandate of obamacare and sons is individual reduction. so who wins? >> the people's taxes he will not go for the rich people and high tax states. but again, there is one benefit to the new york economy of lowering the corporate rate to 20 percent. >> they believe that the tax base of the ridge will pay for themselves. it never has. they say they will create jobs and pay for themselves. neither is true. they never have. >> the president was a bill on his desk by christmas. but it will be tight. >> thank you. and treasury secretary steve nguyen will be talking about tax reform tomorrow he is sitting down and will be on fox
news channel. and our kitchen are pushing back about senate investigators and say they failed to disclose enough about wikileaks and russia. this in law of the present maintain turnover all relevant documents but virginia senator mark warner saying that jared kushner has more explaining to do. >> again, no comment on - this is one of the reasons why we need to bring this to jared kushner. >> and you want to see him in public again -- [inaudible] >> i think the more transparent we can be, it is always good. but i also think that we have to work through a process. >> is bringing julia manchester, reporter for the hill. thank you for talking to us
julia. >> thank you julie. >> there's a pattern here. the question is, is this an illegal pattern? what was jared kushner his role in this comp tower meeting for -- what is the investigation focusing on wet. >> right now coming jared kushner is really being accused of doing anything legal. actually the trump campaign and jared kushner his lawyers will say that he did the right thing when he got these emails. but he did not report reportedly did not disclose a senate judiciary committee when he got the emails. was reported to him, he said they were going to pass on this and it was inappropriate. people said that was the appropriate thing to do. however, when jared kushner did that is getting criticism is that he did not disclose all of this information. so we are seeing kushner in a bit of hot water tonight. but his attorney standing by his side right now. >> okay so nothing illegal. but despite him with this,
lawmakers are upset that he didn't disclose that he saw the email and forwarded it. jared kushner maintains he was unable to see every email and obviously you can probably relate to remember every single email getting your inbox could be argued. i mean how does he defend this one? >> right, kushner says during his six hour long testimony in july that he had done so many emails during the campaign and he was inundated with so much information that he was unable to account for necessarily everything he saw. however, we see that attorney general jeff sessions essentially is of the same thing during his multiple times testimony that i don't remember, things are so chaotic at the time. however, when you run a campaign and you have such a senior level, you have to be extremely cautious with what information you say. and it is a little bizarre because jared kushner, people say that he did the right thing and not accepting the
invitation and letting it go. it is interesting to see that you know, they're criticizing him for not disclosing this. >> with regard to this rebuffed meeting. it is the person in particular who invited him in the first place that is troubling. alexander -- not only close to putin, he is involved in organized crime. but aside from all that is anything more of a reason for this? >> we cannot really read too much into this right now. because jared kushner declined the meeting. however, this man is an interesting character because he is so close to putin. it is just another sign of a high-level russian official trying to get in with the trump campaign. i think when jared kushner originally responded to the my said i love these people say they have ties to these people and is probably not legitimate. however, this man had proved to be very powerful in the kremlin
and with russian finances. >> so with jared christmas pattern, some public questionable. but are they enough to support revoking his security clearance? is that too harsh and too early to call for? >> it might be too early to call for that however, would not say is not too early for donald trump to climb back for additional testimony. but i think doesn't agree with democrats that have standing to call for the security to be revoked. because there is no more contact. but as i said before, kushner didn't accept the meeting in the first place. however the problem is he didn't disclose that with investigators. >> right. so democrats with calling him to return to testify was big with investigators. what more do you think they will ask him? >> i think they were probably
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candid views of this president. you talk to them one on one, they're pretty up front about the fact that they don't take all the president's words to heart. that they are kind of getting used to how he conducts himself and his disregard for the facts. and that's a remarkable thing for an american president, members of his own party, in the congress to say. it's where we are. and i'm kind of used to it too now, because you talk to members of the congress. and in private, they don't even bother offering a defense of this president. they acknowledge he says things that are not true. look at what bob corker told us a few months ago in that interview, where he really broke with the president. he said the president tweets things that are not true, you know it, i know it, he knows it,
damage to the fabric of american democracy, and that's an extraordinary thing for them to say. >> yeah. >> but yet they won't say it publicly. >> here's what i have to ask you, and one of the main reasons i'm asking you. in are other reasons i'm asking you about this. i'm not sure if you heard the conversation i had just before you, with the military folks. talking about possibly going to war with north korea. do they question this president's grasp of reality. this is a person who can declare war. who has the military codes, but is lying and admits he does, and doesn't have a grasp on reality opinion do they voice concern about that? >> senator corker mentioned this to me a few months ago, he's uneasy about it i think what these lawmakers comfort
themselves with is the fact they believe a lot of what the president does is mere bluster, he is blowing off steam, he doesn't follow through with his threats. i think they reassure themselves that he's not going to follow through with the comments he makes, they're merely words. they look at people around the president like john kelly. and they believe there is some restraint around a president if he does act impulsively, for the most point they've gotten to the point where 11 months into this administration, they don't believe he's going to follow through with what he says and does. they do discount his public tweets and threats. >> what was it, the new word of the year was complicit? there's a good reason for that.
jonathan, i want you to stand by, i want to bring in david now. >> weren't you hear the night that access hollywood tape -- were we on the air that night? >> we kept waiting for the apology to come the president apologized. >> i've said and done things i regret. and the words released today on this more than a decade old video are one of them. i said it, i was wrong and i apologize. i said it, i was wrong and i apologize. now i want to send investigators, it's not me, it doesn't sound like me, it's what? >> yeah, don, so what. >> as you said, that day that that tape came out. my washington post colleague reported this story, we were on the air later that night. waiting for the president to come out and make that statement you just played. now that we're a little more
than a year later, you probably would expect the president at this point still -- love him or hate him, to not acknowledge the many allegations against him. you wouldn't expect him to acknowledge things that he could be in jeopardy for, you would expect anyone especially the president of the united states to acknowledge a tape we've all heard with our own ears and for which he apologized in a videotaped address you played. that is the lengths president trump will go to rewrite history on these cases, whether it's on that, whether it's on president obama's birth certificate, on a whole host of issues. >> but you just don't expect the president of the united states to lie as my dad would say, flat foot in your face. apparently now we do.
for everyone who reads that story, what i took away from those quotes, from those members of congress who were speaking on background was this idea that they've already priced in that you can only sort of take everything the president says to them in private with a grain of salt, you talk to the president. i'm going by my take from these quotes. you talk to the president, he says some thenks, some of it is probably not that true. some of it maybe is true. you move on and work with members of the administration. but not not taking the president fully at his word. that is the gift of what some of those folks were telling jonathan in that story. a year into a four-year term, that's where a lot of people are, it's unfortunate. we all expect politicians and political operatives to spin, it's another thing, to just flatly go against what people know very well from their own eyes and ears. >> i want you to. remember this -- i want to play this for you.
it's a strange press conference the president gave during the campaign. where he walked back from the birtherism. although it was tepid, he was like -- >> barack obama was born in the united states, period now we all want to get back to making america strong and great again. >> i just -- as a black person, seeing those people behind him. really? come on. the former president who he made up those bogus claims about said that all along i can't believe how ridiculous this is. we have better things and much more important things to deal with. it's clear he didn't believe it, he didn't want to say it, and he
doesn't believe that now. or maybe he does, maybe there's some reason he's saying it, he just doesn't like the president who he inherited a great economy from. a great job market from, who he continues to say, you know, the stock market's doing great, doing great for years under barack obama. i wonder what he would have said if he inherited from barack obama what he inherited from the president before him. >> there's something particularly loathsome about the way president trump glommed on to the birther movement as a way to crawl his way to the top of the heap in presidential politics. leaving that aside for a moment. the president -- part of this is about president obama, and part of it is about president trump
himself. it's about obama to the degree you feel like he's still in competition about president obama. he brags that the stock market is up 20% since he's been president. it was up 150% over obama's eight years. he knows that, i think his behavior suggests he's in competition with president obama. the part of this that's about president trump. and regardless of president obama. is that our presidents from george washington to president obama, you have to have a healthy ego to run for president, to say, i can be the leader of the free world. most presidents come to the job with an agenda, and trying to accomplish something for their legacy. for history. the ethos of president trump so far, he's daily seeking the affirmation of himself. he's often saying behind the scenes, he can't accept the results of the election.
or can't accept president obama's birth certificate or can't affirm what he said on the access hollywood tape. those things don't redowned to the image he wants to have. >> so much more to talk about. i only have so many hours in the day, and so many hours in this broadcast. thank you, david. appreciate it. >> wonder what you're going to be reporting tomorrow, or in the next couple hours. i want to bring in now, a new york times columnist who has been standing by patiently here, what do you make of this? >> you know, presidents always exaggerate, they spin, they're always at least tethered to reality. sometimes with a long tether. president trump is the first president i've seen who is untethered, and he's been this way not only for the last year, but for decades, and i think what is also unusual is
typically, when we elect a flawed person, that person grows into the presidency, president trump has had a remarkable ability to stay the same as he's always been. >> you're being kind saying flawed? >> yes, i am. >> the thing that people don't want to talk about, this is not rational, this is not sane. this is crazy. >> there are two aspects here. one is the degree to which this demeans the u.s., degrades the presidency. >> it's hard to call the president a liar. it's hard to question the president's grasp of reality, as a journalist, i feel i have more respect for the office he holds than he does. >> saz a person who's supposed to call into question, supposed to hold the president's feet to the fire i feel an obligation to say this is nuts, this is
insane. >> i do think we -- i think you're absolutely right. we respect the office by holding the people who hold that office accountable. i think our job as journalists has to be to try to continue that true squadding, and this raises obvious questions about what this does to american soft power, to the -- to the role of the presidency, also to the degree to which decisions are made based on facts, as opposed to some sort of alternative reality. >> this is what the reporter in the piece, maggie haber man tweeted. it was one of the rare moments he felt public humiliation in his life, people who know him say he's trying to will it away to some extent when he talks about it. what is going on? is he gaslighting himself? what is that. >> i really do think there is a
continuous pattern here, what he's doing now with that access hollywood tape, is the same thing he was doing in the late 1960s, when he was caught denying blacks access to his apartment buildings in new york city. and he absolutely dede nighed what was crystal clear, what was proven in documents. and this has been a continuous pattern throughout his career, a lot of other countries do this too. i spent five years in china, where political leaders routinely -- if they don't like a reality, they construct an alternative one. and any connection with reality is largely coincidental. i think that's what president trump is doing. if a situation doesn't work, he invents a new one. >> we used to have the luxury of saying it happens over there.
now those sort of dictatorial behaviors and is being used on american people. >> and it has a real cost. >> speaking of, north korea, i want to turn to north korea now, the president is now reacting, this is the frightening part, north korea's launch of an intercontinental ballistic missile earlier today. >> as you probably have heard, and some of you have reported a missile was launched a little while ago from north korea. i will only tell you we will take care of it, we have general mattis in the room with us. we have had a long discussion on it. it is a situation we will handle. >> that was toned down, and it should be. do you think he realizes the seriousness of the moment? >> i hope so. i think there's a lot of nervousness in congress and in
the pentagon that there's a growing recognition that our strategy has failed, our strategy had been to get china to apply pressure to north korea through sanctions to get north korea to change its behavior, i don't think anybody thinks that is working, it's also clear that our strategic aim was to get denuclearization of the korean peninsula, was not feasible. we have a strategic aim that is not feasible. we have a tactic and policy that is not working, and so there's a lot of anxiety that what's left that president trump may as he has promised, talk about military options, and presidents have thought about this since president nixon in 1969, they've always pulled back, because those options are so awful. >> i know you know the power of your words, and i can feel you weighing them every time you come here, i always appreciate your candor, i think when you come on this show, you're always
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the president, who regularly denies the things that we all know to be true. things we have seen with our own eyes and heard with our own ears. we remember when he was caught on tape saying this. >> i'm automatically attracted to beautiful -- i start kissing them, it's like a magnet. and when you're a star, they let you do it, anything you want. >> they let you do it? >> you can do anything. >> before his inauguration, trump told a republican senator, he wanted to investigate that recording, even though he himself admitted he said those words and apologized for saying them. >> i said it, i was wrong. and i apologize. >> so which is it, mr. president, should we believe your apology then or your apparent denial now? >> i want to bring in tina nguyen who wrote that article.
julia yaffe who is a staff writer for the atlantic. when donald trump tells a half truth or all out wli, he does so with assurance that it is often impossible to tell whether the president is deliberately disassembling, creating more comfortable depictions for himself give us examples? >> the one that comes to mind is the feud he had with jeff flake who delivered a blistering indictment of him when he announced his retirement. when asked to respond, he said, i don't know who jeff flake is, he's never met me. they met months before he was even elected.
i could go on and on and on. >> gop tax cut zm. >> yeah, he claims he's not going to get any sort of benefit from the tax cut, which is pretty incorrect honestly, the entire history of covering donald trump has been what he's saying matching up with the truth. >> what about the fake renoir painting? >> he has a painting in his house that he insists is real. and the real one is hanging up in chicago. that's been debunked for a long time. but he still insists he has the real one. >> president trump continues to insist the voice on the access hollywood tape isn't him. and he's questioning the authenticity of barack obama's birth certificate behind closed doors. he also claims he lost the
popular vote because of widespread voter fraud. >> does he possibly believe these things? i think it's something that he decides on a moment by moment basis. so his pattern is to establish many different claims about the same thing. so he could at one moment say that president obama was not born in the united states. then he could say i'm sending detectives to honolulu to investigate, and then say oh, they're finding amazing things, and none of those things are true. but it's a great story to tell he can fall back on, and then i think he really does imagine that we're all buying this. that we only are aware of what he's saying in the moment. it's almost as if he's living out he declared would be his life.
when he was much younger he said his life is a comic book, and he's the star of it. the show is trump and it's sold out every night. he oirk straights his life as if it's a dramatic performance. and we're the audience and the people around him are props. reality just depends on what the show is that moment. and if it needs to change, he changes it. >> i see you're nodding in agreement. you wrote a great piece about the president manipulating the media in a putin-esque way. putin figured out a better way to keep the press in line. >> explain how president trump is doing the same thing? >> we've seen reports. it's weird i'm saying this on cnn.
we've seen reports that one of the reasons that the time warner/at&t merger was blocked by the trump justice department was cnn's coverage. and cnn has been a constant punching bag for this president. he calls it fake news. he's at times literally like to tweet about punching cnn. this is the tactic the kremlin has figured out. they don't kill journalists any more, they just lean on the big company that owns as one of its many, many assets a cnn or a bloomberg or whatever publication, or an advertiser who among many other things, advertises in some magazine that's critical of avladimir putin, behind the scenes they lean on them. they don't want to risk their big business empire.
they stop advertising or sell off the media property, they get laid off, they leave journal i678, because they have families to support. the reason independent media died in russia is because all the outlets were shut down for economic reasons. the kremlin has perfect plausible deniability. they can say, we had nothing to do with it. if the advertisers don't want to advertise with you, you don't have an economically feasible model, it has nothing to do with putsen. where it does. >> i appreciate all of you joining me here this evening. when we come back, the president told me he is the least racist person. just because you say it, doesn't make it so. we're going to dive deep into president trump's insensitive statements next.
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warren were sure applause lines on the campaign trail. >> and pocahontas is not happy. she's the worst. when the insult was repeated in front of navajo code talkers, only silence followed. the democratic senator called it a racial swlur. >> i think that's a ridiculous response. >> it's far from the only time the president has crossed racially sensitive lines. when a white supremacist rally ended in bloodshed. he suggested the counter protesters also bore blame. >> you had some very bad people in that group, you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. >> as the nfl players protest against police treatment of african-americans evolved. he was quick to demand their firing, tweeting about it
numerous times, including this morning. the american public is fed up with the disrespect the nfl is paying to our country. out of control. >> he is as president who he was as a candidate. >> look at my african over here. look at him. while he bragged about support among minorities, he beat his base by demonizing them. immigrants from mexico. >> they're bringing drugs, they're bringing crime. they're bringing rapists and some i assume are good people. >> an american judge trump argued was biassed against him. >> he's of mexican heritage and his very proud of it. >> you have sacrificed nothing. and no one. >> the muslim mother of an american soldier killed in combat after her husband spoke against trump during the democratic convention. >> she was standing there, she had nothing to say, she probably -- maybe she wasn't allowed to have anything to say, you tell me. >> he relentlessly and falsely
suggested the nation's first black president barack obama was not a natural born citizen. >> if he wasn't born in this country, he has pulled one of the great cons in the history of politics. >> trump refused to believe five young men were falsely accused of savage rape in central park in the '80s. trump has continually and emphatically defended himself against charges of prejudice. >> i am the least racist person. >> are you bigoted in anyway? >> i don't think so, no. >> islam phobic? >> no, not at all. >> when people say you're racist or homophobic or islam phobic or whatever it is. or compare you to hitler. does that bother you? >> if things are true, it would bother me tremendously. >> the president almost always
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of us were here. although we have a representative in congress who they say was here a long time ago. they call her pocahontas. >> there was silence after that comment. because everyone in the room knew he was using a racial slur directed at senator elizabeth baron. joining me now, bakari sellers and ed martin. good evening everyone, here we are bakari, i want to read this, this is from maggie haber man. this is from the new york times. it says, in recent months, they say mr. trump has used closed door conversations to question the authenticity of president barack obama's birth certificate, he claims he lost the popular vote last year because of widespread voter fraud. one senator who listened as the president revived his doubts
chuckled on tuesday as recalled the conversation. the president has had a hard time letting go of his claim that the president was not born in the united states. >> his political career began with birtherism, this was a conspiracy theory he harbored. why can't he let this go? >> maybe because that's who he is. i don't think this is anything new about his character, you can go back to atlantic city, can you go back to the central park five, housing discrimination, his comments about muslim americans, about mexican americans, judge curial, we can talk about the usage of pocahontas under the portrait of andrew jackson. at a memorial where we remembered some world war ii veterans. you can go through this long litany of things.
the problem we have is two fold, people are becoming desensitized when he makes racially innoce e insensitive comments. two, you have good people who are willing to set aside that and still support him anyway. so those two groups of individuals, the ones who are desensitized to this, and the ones who are putting this aside and supporting him anyway. are a bigger problem than donald trump in my opinion. >> i happen to agree with bakari on that. the excuse of this is just who he is, many of us warned the american people that this is who he is they cast that aside, and didn't care. just because you can explain it, doesn't mean you should excuse it. that's what people who supported donald trump are continuing to do now when he lies and behaves
in a way that is is existential threat to our republican, our norms and institutions, every single day, something else comes out that demonstrates the threat he poses. >> it's sour grapes. >> because he won. >> no, it's not sour grapes, pointing out what's happening, the reality in front of us is not sour grapes, those of us are concerned with how do we move forward. how do we protect the country from this, you cannot have a functioning government, when the president of the united states behaves this way. >> and i mean, he knows the comments offend people, but he doesn't want -- he says that -- he doesn't want to stop insulting people. why does he keep saying then? >> i mean, two quick comments, guys, i know we're talking about some of these comments and i hear them. donald trump's political career, if you look back over 25, 30 years, he's been talking about immigration and china, and other issues, in addition to some of these comments you brought up. i watched your show, i watch
your show with some devotion. and i'm on frequently, when i watch the new york times reporter report a series of anonymous sources, the main one is a senator who made comments before the inauguration about the president's state of mind regarding the access hollywood. there's a reason out here >> maggy has been on day after day now about anonymous sources about the state of mind where sarah huckabee-sanders gets out and says he hasn't changed his mind. >> you realize these are the same reporters the president calls frequently whenever he wants to get his message out. >> and she's so discretted why did the president call her? >> the question was why does he continue to do it when he knows it's an insult? >> about pocahontas you mean?
>> why does he continue to insult even beyond pocahontas? >> i don't think it's a racial slur in anyway. and if you call someone who isn't a native-american pocahontas i think that isn't a slur. i think that's called making fun of someone, not a racial slur. >> we don't know that she is. >> she's already admitted -- >> regardless it's not the forum. it's inappropriate. >> does anybody realize pocahontas was a real person? she's associated with james town in 1613. she was actually kidnapped by white cologniests. >> and died of a horrible disease. >> and died of a horrible disease. there is nothing about that story -- there is nothing about
that story that you should actually use that. let me help you understand this. this is like you calling me j.j. or even more importantly you calling me leroy. it's the same thing. >> no, it's not. >> listen, i've got to say this because i'm out of time. disney made a movie about pocahontas and the movies with to honor pocahontas not to make fun of her. >> and it's a real story. >> exactly. and i agree it's not a slur. i mean wish i had time to take care of my portfolio, but..
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stumping with jones, senator cory booker and terry sewell. >> i'm trying to get the last, i know you made already a million phone calls, but i'm here to try to help to get some folk woke. those people who don't understand the opposite of justice is injustice b, it is indifference, it is inaction and it is silence. got to get some folk woke. >> we deserve to have a senator who's character and integrity and veracity is not questioned on day one and there is only one candidate in this race that we can count on. and that's doug jones. >> i want to bring in senior national correspondent, alex, joining us from montgomery. we just laid out some of the latest from the doug jones campaign. meantime, the roy moore campaign
is getting another boost from the president. >> reporter: they are and the moore campaign in contrast to the jones campaign has actually remained relatively silent over the course of this weekend. that is in part due to the fact that moore may feel like he is more comfortable because he knows that he has this passionate base behind him. but at the same time, he's letting the president's words speak r for themselves. the president was at a rally in pensacola in florida last night and during ta rally, he voiced his support for roy moore. that is not the last time that voters here in alabama are going to be hearing from the president on that subject. we've just learned that the president has recorded a rrk obo call for moore in these final few days before the special election on tuesday. it's unclear when that robo call will be going on, but you can
certainly imagine that it will reflect somewhat what the president said about the race last night. he was very vocal in reiterate ing that endorsement for roy moore. there was all sorts of speculation as to what extent the president would get involved in this race then last monday, the president issued this full throated endorsement for roy moore, which he reiterated last night, casting doubt on some of the accusers of roy moore's and say iing that he needs someone like roy moore in the senate to advance his vend, a conservative agenda, so when it comes to this robo call, we can imagine that it will e reflect something similar to what he said last night. take a listen. >> we can't afford to have a liberal democrat who is completely control led by nancy pelosi and chuck schumer. we can't do it. can't do it.
his name is jones. and he's their total puppet and everybody knows it. he will never, ever vote for us, so get out and vote for roy moore. do it. do it. >> reporter: so what will the president's endorsement and this robo call mean for the race? well, it could have a certain amount of impact. there is a passionate base that will turn out for moore. there might be a number of people, conservatives, republicans, who are on the fence who were scared waway by these allegations or at least were assuaged by the president. but by injecting himself so much into this race, he could turn it into a referendum and people in the doug jones camp could come out not only to vote against roy moore, but dwens the president. >> quickly, alex, we understand steve bannon is going to be holding another rally for the candidate, roy moore, on monday?
>> reporter: he is. as i noted, moore is not having any rallies this weekend, but he is having a drain the swamp rally on monday night in midland city. it will be featuring steve bannon. that's going to be the third time that the president's former chief strategist turns out for roy moore before this election. >> bannon and trump. really trying to rally the base. thank you. i want to bring in our panel to discuss further. ben ferguson, tara, conservative come taiter a tater and the boa director for stand up republican. ben, i'll start with you. the president has now gone all in. on roy moore. right? everything that comes with him. that means. beyond the child molestation accusations, we know moore has said he believes former president obama isn't an american citizen. that a lack of faith played a role in 9/11. that homosexuality is the same at bestiality and that the last
time america was great was at the time when there was slavery. as a republican yourself, are you comfortable with this man representing your party? >> i'm not and i don't think he represents the party. i think you've got a fraud candidate here who unfortunately many people in alabama say look, he doesn't necessarily represent my moral code. my moral fiber, but he represents my interests better than the democratic candidate on basic issues that matter to me in washington. and that's the reason why ipg he's probably going to win this. i personally don't think roy moore should be in the u.s. senate. but i understand there's a lot of people in alabama that say they do not trust the democratic candidate either. they don't trust him on issues like abortion and there's a being big x factor. one of the big accusers of roy moore, unfortunately, she told a lie and inscribed some of the commentary around roy moore's signature, which was clearly falsifying what she was trying to say happened to her and for a
lot of voters in alabama, they said that's enough for them, enough doubt put out there by her admitting that she has you know, put commentary around his signature, to say i don't believe her or i don't believe maybe some of these other people either, so i'm going to vote for roy moore. >> dou you believe the women? >> i think there's enough smoke here and enough problems around roy moore by enough women. i think there's a real problem b with this one woman who wrote around the signature. that just flat up corruption that you shouldn't do. especially when you're accusing someone of something like this. >> based on what we know about the commentary, it sounds like she put the date and the place. >> that's right. >> but again, she stands behind the fact it was his signature and message. but tara, to ben's earlier point about why perhaps some people would choose to vote for roy moore even if they don't agree with the things he has said or
perhaps done. i remember during the presidential campaign, a number of republicans were willing to say while they weren't the biggest fans of then candidate trump, they wanted a republican picking the next supreme court jus justice. so is it far for republicans to say i want that republican vote in the senate? >> we're not talking about someone who was perhaps late on a tax payment or parking ticket or two. we're talking about someone who's credibly accused of sexually molesting a teenage girl and being a predator for other young teenage girls when he was in his 30s. how low is the bar going to go now at this point? i understand when people can you know hold their nose. some people didn't like john mccain. mitt romney, because they thought he was too stiff or too rich. we're not talk iing about those kinds of character flaws. we're talking about something that was potentially criminal. so i think that that excuse, just because you can explain it doesn't mean you should excuse it and at some point, we have to make a decision. what the character of our nation is going to be.
and by casting aside these flaws just means something shouldn't matter because he may cast a vote that you like. i think that's a very, very dangerous path. and to clarify the mischaracterization that ben is putting out, that woman can did not falsify anything. she didn't codo that. she added a date and location so she could have a contemporaneous understanding of where roy moore signed this and what the reference was. that's very different than falsifying or forging, which is what a lot of conservative media has done unfairly and another network had to correct a headline because they claimed she falsified that inscription. >> okay. >> i'm not excusing it away, but if you're a voter in alabama and you listen to this woman come out and you watched her press conference and she never brought any of this up then there's
questions. let me finish. there's also questions about the da that he would have not signed at the time because he wubt the da then they found out that's a signature put on there by assistants and court documents. she didn't disclose he was also over her divorce decree papers. you add all that up and the voters in al a al who have called into my radio show, have said they have a lot of problems with her story because it keeps forgetting these -- >> and i can hear and understand what they may be coming from on that one accusers story. and finding it relatively convenient to be able to have a hole in that credibility, but let's look at roy moore the candidate. he, too, has been questioned for his honesty. remember, he has been kicked off the supreme court in the state of alabama twice and the second time, the judges unanimously came out and said that he had not been credible.
that they found his use of case law as an incomplete -- excuse me, misleading and manipulatetive. i just wanted to get those facts out there. these voters were supporting moore are choosing to believe him whose credibility and honesty has been questioned in the past. >> as a conservative, look, as a conservative, i've never wanted someone to legislate from the bench. that's the reason why in the primary i did not support roy moore. i said clearly, the guy should have been run ining for elected office and not been on the supreme court because he clearly did not follow the law of the land. that was a huge red flag for me. for him in general. then you add all this on this. i agree with you. i don't think he should be in the u.s. senator. i don't think al franken should be in the u.s. senate, but at the end of the day, the voters of alabama clearly understand the allegations against roy moore and the majority of them that i've talk ued to have said to me again, he does not represent my morals, but he does represent my interests.
and many of them said this. look, abortion is still a very big issue in alabama. and the democratic candidate is in favor of abortion. they've said look -- >> okay. >> one senator is not going to overthe turn rowe v. wade. voters need to take a look at a single issue like this. they talk about abortion, but they don't have a problem with a guy who's sexually molested young girls? there's a certain cognitive distant here that needs to be called out and moore lied about not knowing them. he clearly did. he was called out as a liar by the ethics committee with supreme court in alabama and he also lie d about taking a millin dollars from a charity that he set up when he claimed he owed it a small salary. turned out it was over a million dollars. he's a liar and lunatic on top of all these allegations. he has other positions on things that are not in step with the
republican party and you know what else? if he wins tr, the republican py is going to have to answer. mass mutual today had to come autoand say they do not support roy moore's candidacy because they gave money to the republican national committee. they're one of several corporations who have given money to the national committee that now are going to have to answer for that their money is going to support a candidate like this. this is a terrible, long-term prospect for the republican party who's destroying itself because they want to get a winner and political expediency is dangerous. >> thanks for the debate. appreciate it. >> thanks. still ahead. kcalifornia in flames. six separate fires burning up the state and now, the first fire related fatality. we'll take you to ventura, california, next. live in the cnn newsroom.
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let's take a look at what's happening with the wildfires. the challenges keep growing. high heat, dry air, strengthening winds are making things so hard for firefighters right now. flames have burned 175,000 acres so far. that's an area only shilightly smaller than new york city. thousands of homes are threatened. hurricanes have been destroyed. the thomas fire has burned 148,000 fires in ventura county. this is already one of the most devastate eing fires in califor history and with santa ana winds expected to pick up tomorrow, are they worried things will get worse? >> reporter: everywhere you go, the store, just to get ice cream, everyone is talking about the weather forecast because this is a wind driven event and that house and what you see through this neighborhood is one example of it. fire is pushed in this
community. it was pushed in this community with the wind. it whipped through this community and then it burned all of these houses down. you can see there's little left. some of the people who live here got their first look at what was left. >> my lifetime. couple of lifetimes. like i said, 84. 83. my mom and dad. they've been living here for 30 years. built it themselves. there's not much, but if there's a few things that will help them you know, have some connection with the past, then that's what i'll try to do. that's what it is. material stuff, but like you said, memories. of a lot of years. and we'll see where it goes from here. i don't know what they're going to do. it's a process. it's shock, still shock.
still trying to understand. little blocks. a little lizard. don't ask me. you know what, if it helps, it helps. despite the loss, we're fortunate. we have family close by. we have other options and you know, it's material stuff other people are doing so much more. have so much more tragedy in their life that we had nothing to complain about. you've got to just focus on that. makes the rest of it easier to deal with. >>. >> reporter: firefighters trying to prevent more people from experiencing what that man and his family has by fighting very hard in what you're looking at now. this is a live picture of the north flank of the fire. it's a giant plume that you can see across this county. the fire growing. expanding into santa barbara
county. even though this is contain ed, 15% say this is a very dangerous fire. 15,000 structures are threatened and here in ventura, they have experienced 500 structures that have been burned down in this fire alone. the weather forecast for r tomorrow, the winds expected to become even more dangerous. those dry conditions you were referencing will also continue. >> the damage there just incredible and so disheartening to see. thank you for that report. now as california battles the dry heat, increasing winds, dangerous flames, the southeast shoveling out from a surprisingly strong winter storm that's headed north. gene norman is joining us now. i want to start with the fires because of the danger where with these fires. when is the weather finally going to be helping the situation there? >> the good news is that we probably will see a break in
high winds by the time we get to early next week. so we're anticipating that and hoping that that will be the case. as we take a look at what's going on with those winds, we're seeing that as we zoom into this area here in the thomas fire location, we're noticing that well, it's a large area and when you see a report like that, you got to remember that all of this area in red is what is impacted by the fire. the potential for the winds to increase, overnight tonight and into tomorrow morning. that's a big problem, of course, because a lot of people might be sleeping. not realizing that this is going to occur. the area impacted by the fire is actually about the size of chicago, believe it or not. winds right now in the 20 to 30 mile an hour range, but watch the forecast. very important to note that the pique of the highest winds will occur around 4:00 in the morning california time. so as people are sleeping, they
may not realize this is happening and they need to be aware those embers could quickly ignite and quickly park. meanwhile, switch to the southern snow situation. take a look at these totals from overnight. nearly 2 feet in northeast georgia. about a foot in the atlanta suburb. 7 inches in corpus christi. the snow continues, the system moving up the east coast, but moving quickly. a lot of the moisture is out in the atlantic ocean and so, the it will all be done by dawn tomorrow. anywhere from 2 to 4 inches in the big cities. 4 to 6 in sections of new england. 12 days from the official start of winter, but ana, it feels like it for a lot of people. >> no kidding. a foot of snow near atlanta. wild. thank you. good to see you. coming up, 400,000 documents. we're just now learning how much evidence robert mueller collected in the case. next, you're live in the cnn newsroom. and energy in just two weeks.reh
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report coming after we were learning she was interviewed by special counsel investigators on thursday and friday this week. so this makes her the latest person in the president's inner circle to be questioned by robert mueller's team. let's discuss where this fits in with the russia investigation. samantha, former cia operative, mike baker and paul cowen are joining us. so man that, you worked for the white house, advised president obama in national security matters. is it normal for foreign operatives to contact top presidential advisers like this? >> thanks, ana. there are two related issues here. the first is that historically, foreign governments including russia, who is a very sophisticated intelligence service, have tried to contact u.s. government officials. this is why when you enter the administration, you get a counterintelligence briefing. now it may be time for a refresher course for the administration on how to stay villagilant against contacts fr foreign governments.
it's now clear that the russian intelligence operation which began during the campaign continued through the transit n transition, didn't end when the administration took office. despite the fact that the obama administration had publicly outed the russians for interfering in the election, the it's now clear that russian officials tried to contact hope hicks. so my question is whether the russian government tried to contact any other administration officials and if so, when. >> and the question i have is why, mike? because russia had communication lines with other trump transition members during the same time period we're learning. mike flynn was in touch with the russian ambassador and actions and jared kushner was reportedly trying to set up a secret channel with the kremlin. so why would russian operatives need to reach out to hope hicks? >> because this is what they've been doing for generations. it was just pointed out, this is nothing new. you go back to the beginning of
the 19 how 40s when russia was still alive with gjere germany before hitler decideded to invade russia. they spent a lot of time here in the u.s. trying to influence public opinion. trying to keep the u.s. igslationists out of the war. they paid off journalists. they set up trade groups that were independent. they paid off union leaders. they contacted and tried to engage and influence government personnel. they've been doing this all this time. this is what the russian intel service does. they're zoeing discontent and constantly, their game's never changed. it's trying to chip away at the credibility of democracy, of government here in the u.s. anybody who's been involved in a counterintelligence operations and not spent some time working against the russians in my time, this is not a surprise to anybody. not saying the investigation isn't important. do what you need to do. but understand it and put it
into context from an operational perspective. >> again, this is happening during the transition, does it undercut the idea of collusion and that russia had deep rooted ties to the trump campaign during the campaign itself? >> well, it does in a sense. i suppose you could look at it this way. speculation on my part. but i will say this. they played both sides. the russian intel service, the people involved in this effort, they've been promoted an they're you know, they've done a very good job from their per specktive and played the democrats and republicans. so you know, again, carry out the investigation. make the interviewed, do what you need to do. we knew that hope hicks was going to be interviewed several weeks ago. they said they were fwoipg to do this. that's the right thing. the fbi did what they're supposed to do. from a counterintelligence perspective. this is what they're supposed to do.
they become aware of something and they are supposed to sit down with whomever is in the administration and say we've got a concern and this is why and ensure that people are aware of how aggressive it is out there in the world. >> so paul, hicks may now know, interviewed with mueller's team, two days worth of questioning with her. how integral do you think she has become in this investigation? >> i'm not surprised that it would take so long. because remember, she acted as a personal assistant or administrative assistant to the president for a long period of time while he was in office during the campaign. going back into the days of his business. so she obviously knows all about the trump financial empire, the trump campaign and what went on and key moments. one of the big key moments for instance being after the famous trump tower meeting at a press release was issued, she was involved in the process of working on the press release presumably and has been a big debate about whether the president was involved. >> after the revelation there would be this meeting.
>> that's right and this profit the president helped to draft it and he's denied that now and don jr. was questioned about that. so hope hicks would have a lot of answers to very important questions. >> do you think she could be in legal trouble if she was just a conduit or a fly on the wall during some of these conversations? >> i think it's unlikely that she would be in legal trouble unless she lies to the investigators then she can wind up like a lot of other people do in these investigations, being charged with lying to the fbi because you're trying to help a friend or help somebody else like the president on one of his sons and you get in trouble yourself. so it remains to be seen. >> samantha, president trump haeeld the rally last night. at one point, we heard the crowd start chanting lock her up in reference to hillary clinton. i want everyone to hear what the president said in response to those chants. >> this is a rigged system. this is a sick system from the
inside. and you know, there's no country like our country, but we have a lot of sickness in some of our institutions and we're working very hard. we've got a lot of them straightened out, but we do have, we really do. we have a riggeded system in this country. we have to change. >> the president of the united states calling u.s. institutions rigged and sick. what impact does that have? >> these statements are disturbing on a rot of levels, but they have real national security implications for two reasons. think about what kind of message those statements send to our enemies.commander in chief of the united states broadcasting publicly that our institutions in his mind at least, are sick. this could send a message to our enemies that your institutions are in a weakened state and are vulnerable to attack. he's yet again undermining the
confidence and moral of the dedicated public servants that go to work every day and serve our country. we've seen this every day and we've seen him do this with the fbi. this is not a way that ta president should be protecting our country. >> mike, how do you see it? did do the president's attacks against the fbi, the department of justice, make the u.s. less safe? >> i don't think they make them less safe. i think they're completely unnecessary and again, it all comes back around to this issue of what i would like to see. again, i didn't vote for either of the candidates this this last election. i just thought in country this large, we might have been able to do better perhaps. i suppose we could ask bernie sanders if the system was rigged after we found out the actions there. but i don't think that any of these tweets or any of the messaging that goes out is helpful in any way. i don't think it necessarily makes us less safe. from the bureau's perspective, i can speak from the agency's perspective, the people out there in the field on the pointy edge of the spear, they just get
on with their job. they don't care who's in the white house in a sense. just give us priorities, tasks, we're going to march on. at the same time, sort of at the top level, they're human, right? and they would like to always feel as in because they operate off the radar. that's their job. you don't go into the cia, the bureau, because you want a pat on the back every day. you would like to think you've got top cover from above and that's where sort of that human sense comes in and the frustration. >> i want to ask you about what we're learning, a new detail in mueller's investigation. court documents revealing what kind of evidence he is now collecting for paul manafort and rick gates cases and includes 400,000 document, 36 laptops, phones, hard drives, thumb drives. that soupds like a lot. 400,000 documents in just a motter of months. is is it a lot? >> it's not really a lot consider considering what he's investigating and he's investigating $75 million, $25
million of which he says might have been laundered by manafort. that's what's charged in the indictment. in connection with the indictment. so and in these white collar crimes when you're dealing with that kind of money, there's a lot of evidence involved. a lot of documents involved. what's most surprising to me having looked at it now caref carefulfully, it doesn't touch on trump. all the manafort stuff is before the election campaign. it's, he had a complicated life and obviously, a lot of money. 75 million passed through his hands and they say 25 million of it was laundered. but all before the election. so i think what trump supporters will say is well, this is n nonsense. it has really nothing to do with the president. we have yet to see the connection from president trump to the manafort investigation. >> we know though because he's been charged, it doesn't exclude other charges. >> this could be superseded if these charges and this investigation leads to something that connects him to the
president or connects the campaign to the russians. so we'll have to see what happens in the end. >> all right, everybody. paul, samantha, mike, thank you all. coming up, tensions are now at an all time high on the korean peninsula and there are new fears about athletes competing at the olympic games. just 50 miles south of the dnz. we'll tell you what precautions are already being taken, next. (vo) dogs have evolved, but their nutritional needs remain instinctual. that's why there's purina one true instinct. nutrient-dense, protein-rich, real meat number one. this is a different breed of natural nutrition. purina one, true instinct.
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several men through molotov cocktails at the synagogue. no reports of anyone hurt or any damage to the building, but stay in touch with cnn because we are in touch with officials there. meantime, tensions running high over the missile threat from north korea and concerns this rogue country may attempt some sort of attack during the 2018 winter olympics in south korea are growing. brian todd has this report on how north korea could possibly interfere in the upcoming games. brian. >> as tensions with kim jong-un's regime intensify, u.s. law enforcement and security agencies are ramping up coordination with their south korean counterparts. just eight weeks before the winter olympic, concerns are mounting that north korea might engage in a violent provocation to disrupt the games. which are being held just 50 miles south of the dmz. >> things north korea might do
to provoke the south koreans, to cause either the games being shut down on events being moved or potentially war. >> security experts say soft targets like transportation hubs, schools a, and shopping areas could be targeted fwi the north koreans during the li olympics. could athletes from america and elsewhere be in danger? nicki haley hinted at it on fox. >> do you feel comfortable sending family members? >> i think it depends on what's going on at the time in the country. we have this watch this closely and it's changing by the day. >> but now, the white house and u.s. olympic committee say america is planning to send its athletes. still, there is a unique security threat at these games. the location and razor sharp tensions over kim's missile tests have the region on edge. north korea has used tunnels to try to insert commandos and frog men into south korea for spying and assassinations. and the regime has a history of
violence surrounding sporting events. a south korean airliner was blown up in 1987 with all 115 people on board killed. one of the agents was captured and said the bombing was ordered by the north's leaders to disrupt the 1988 summer pim liam picks in seoul and during the world cup in south korea, north korean patrol boats engaged in a skirmish with the south, leaving several servicemen on both sides dead. analysts say kim has strong motives for disrupting these olympics. >> he is facing the prospect of two years of maximum economic strangulation through sanctions and over law enforcement measures to really cripple his economy. he's going to look for ways to fight back. one way is to hurt the south kor koreaen economy. the south korean economy is 100% focused on a successful international olympic event. >> so imagine cyber sabotage. so you don't kill anybody, but
you just disrupt the economic flow. the transportation flow. you create a headache for the south korean government. you make the south koreans look bad. they lose face. >> analysts say if the north koreans don't engage in a violent provocation during the winter olympic, they're at least likely to send in spies. they say the liolympics will ofr the north korea bens to gain economic intelligence on south korea, to place sleeper agents there and to make contact with the north koreans agents they have in south korea. brian todd, cnn, washington. coming up, congressman trent frank allegedly offering to pay an aide $5 million to have his child. details on this rather bizarre resignation and the story behind it, next. live in the cnn newsroom. you switched to the capital one quicksilver card. and how do you feel? [sighs] like a burden's been lifted. those other cards made you sign up for bonus cash back. then they change categories on you every few months.
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a u.s. congressman offering a woman in his office millions of dollars to have his baby. that is a bizarre accusation leveled against trent franks and apparently the reason he abruptly resigned from congress this week. he was the third lawmaker in the spin of three days to resign in the face inappropriate sexual conduct or sexual harassment. here is sunlund serfaty with the details. >> i talked to a confident who detailed her side fof the story. she said she was asked by the congressman to be a surrogate
for money. the woman said she was asked to look over a contract to potentially carry his child and if she conceived his child, she would be given $5 million. this account comes from andrea laverty and she's presented her side of the story to speaker of the house paul ryan's office. and this of course was first detailed and reported to the associated press. speaker of the house paul ryan quickly called for his resignation after a very swift condemnation. he called the charges very credible and very serious. the congressman pushed up his deadline for his official resignation. he did this on friday. instead of resigning officially on effective january 30th, 31st, he resigned on friday. he is out and he's punting a bit to his family. he said his wife was admitted to
the hospital with an ongoing ailment, it's the best thing for his family to have him go and resign. it very clear in the halls of capitol hill there was no and tied for him to stay longer. >> thank you, sunlen. a simple tweet goes viral and helps raise hundreds of thousands of dollars for st. jude's hospital. you're live in the cnn newsroom. hey ron! they're finally taking down that schwab billboard.
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we've seen over the past nine months that people like the aca. we had overwhelming support for it. it's interesting to see these issues that if you were to ask someone how you feel about people going and getting an education or having health care, those are pretty evergreen. >> martha: here's the problem with that. a moral document, you say. some people think it's immoral to have $20 trillion in debt and some people feel like their tax dollars when they get sent to washington are being wasted. for them, they find, perhaps, a different kind of immorality in the way we pay taxes on the way the money is spent. >> what's more about me paying $17,000 in land taxes? this is where the job is. why should i have to move?
the burden should not be on such a small percentage of people. the problem in our country now, the tinkerers are outnumbering the makers. we are doomed to socialism. >> i'm sitting here as a graduate student and what i'm hearing is my income has apparently tripled and you say the takers are going to run the country. if someone can go to school and they can afford it and playfully by themselves, they get to take that deduction and because i have restarted off behind, now i'm feeling the burden. >> i disagree with that. what she's talking about, the graduate student is being taxed, so that's one issue.
if you like what the average income ends in our neighborhood, we have more people be able to see more coming home at the end of the day on their checks. we also have an opportunity right now to at least unwind portions of the aca which was rounded to a tremendous amount of legislation which it shouldn't have been in and the question really becomes what kind of decisions can you make? in terms of health care for the constituents in my district, the simple fact that an executive order was signed that i can buy health care in another state moves us away from a single person having to pay about $800 a month and health care insurance two may be paying $400 a month. that makes a lot of difference. >> 80% of new yorkers and 80% of the country are receiving subsidies to cover their health care. yes, there's a small majority of folks were paying a higher amount, i'm one of them.
for the large majority of people who are covered under the aca, they're getting support. >> i have to certainly disagree with that. every single small business owner in america, every single start up in america, every single company that's under 1,000 people in america is dealing with some very significant health care burdens in addition to which you have major insurers pull out of marketplaces across the united states continually driving up costs. the whole point of obamacare was to cover that 30%. we are not even to do that. >> martha: let me pose a larger question. in terms of how this is being paid for, doesn't bother any of you that it's basically moving money around rather than cutting spending, cutting government spending has not even been a topic. we are told will get to that later.
>> i'm a small business owner. what i see and a lot of people fail to look at is people are paying less taxes, they're going to have more take-home pay. as the rest of the president's plan involves, there is going to be more tax revenue to the government. that tax revenue is going to reduce spending because we are going to have more tax revenue coming in. there are so many special interest programs, let tax revenue come in. when i call is a whole pie approach. rather than look at one slice of the pie, you should look up the whole economy and say if we are going to people jobs, make them
available, boost the economy, there's going to be more revenue coming to the businesses. with that increased revenue, you're going to see spending decrease. it's more money. >> martha: we have some pretty rosy forecasts for 2018. thanks. there are a lot of families in america this year who are sitting at a table that has a missing person. we all watched the scenes in los angeles and texas. what do we do about guns and your second amendment right? the next course of this debate is coming up next. >> if he didn't have a gun instead of having 26 dead, you would have had hundreds more dead. ♪
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still coping with how dramatically their lives have changed. the tragedy became quickly political. here's hillary clinton shortly after. the crowd flooded the sound of gunshots. imagine the depths of the shooter had a silencer which the nra wants to make it easier to get to love. she went on to say, our grief isn't enough. we can and must put politics aside, stand up to the nra and work together to try to stop this from happening again. if hillary clinton were across the table from you this thanksgiving and you were discussing this very hot issue, what would you want to say? all the hands go up. let me start with you back in the corner. >> of course we're talking about the second amendment which is you have the right to bear arms. you also look at legislation and
registration. we look at the data to see that some of the people who were shooters didn't have certain issues, so they were okay. the next step i would say is that we place a certain active shooter plan in place. we can't throw the baby out with a bucket so to speak. if we have an active shooter plan in place like they had in california, it worked out and law enforcement officials stated there that because of this, they saved so may lives. we can't catch everybody and we don't know whether the other person is good or bad. >> martha: let me bring something up. stephen paddocks who was the las vegas shooter had amassed 33 guns and he had no prior record, should there be a limit on the number of firearms that someone is able to purchase? >> absolutely. there's no need for 33 guns. if you want them and that's fine, you can have them, but
they should be in a secure location at your gun club, but they don't need to be in your home and they certainly don't need to be accessible to you 24 hours a day. your second amendment right does not trump my right to live freely and to breathe and go to a movie theater and go to a concert. >> martha: hold on, she brings up a valid point. where do we draw the line? you have a right to own a gun legally. that man should never have been able to buy legal weapons. is 33 guns okay? >> she mentioned that no one needs to have 33 guns, we're not talking about the needs, we're talking about the right. i would tell hillary, first thing i would tell her and
everybody else calling for more gun control is give up your own armed guards. if you're standing behind you are armed guards and telling the rest of us every day people that we shouldn't have the right to bear arms to protect ourselves. >> the first thing i would say to hillary before she comments on anything else, i would say go to jail, go directly to jail, do not pass go, do not collect $200. that's what i would tell hillar hillary. >> i don't know why we're talking about hillary clinton when the president -- is that we do want to address this issue when obviously there's a need. people have died and they should come up with a plan. i just want to hear them say something.
>> martha: there are no limits whatsoever? >> there needs to be limits, but we need gun control. when we look at a city like chicago, chicago has the highest level of gun violence in the country. when we look at the situation that happened in las vegas, he acquired those guns legally. the problem we have is we have disjointed legislation from state to state and often in a place like new york city, we dealt with something referred to as the iron pipeline. people would purchase weapons in states like georgia, virginia, north carolina, et cetera. these were illegally acquired firearms -- i'm almost finished. the only thing about gun control, the first point of focus are legal gun owners and
that's the problem. we need to target the people that acquire illegally. >> martha: i want to talk about the shooter in texas. he should never have been allowed to purchase any guns, he legally purchased guns into states, california and texas. the air force should not do what they should have done which was notified for almost killing his 2-year-old stepson and choking his wife. he should never have been able to legally purchase a gun. there is a something the process that we're doing which is put in place to try to protect people that is not working. what do we do about that? >> there are enough gun lords in place and you hit it right on the head. in this case, the air force did not report the situation, they didn't report that to the fbi.
that was a miss communication between the armed services and the fbi. the laws are in effect if the air force were to have reported the fbi when that gentleman went for a check, he would have failed. >> martha: the law didn't work, that's my point. speak out this is focusing on the wrong issue. we can talk about all of these great things, but when we look at the government, we have that competition. what we need to be focused on is the underlying world view and understanding why are these people committing crimes? we look at europe or even here with people who use weapons and weaponized vehicles and they run into people. no regulation is going to stop someone who is motivated to kil kill.
we need to address the worldview perspective and as a christian, we need to be looking at where is the understanding of the other people? >> martha: let's hear from paul mae. >> i'm the president of the board for new york city gun violence. before you start jumping on me, i'm a member of my kaiser publican committee. what secretary clinton was discussing was a mass shooting. what she did not address was when someone gets killed in a shooting. unfortunately, the 50 people who work in las vegas were just a statistical dock to the people who are killed just that day. what we need to do, dan referred earlier to the iron pipeline, and makes a lot of sense if you're in new york city, new york city has fairly strict gun laws and we are the third lowest state and turns of guns
death. there is no limit to the number of guns that a citizen can buy a new york. i do agree. intelligence did confirm the second amendment right to bear arms, but it also confirmed legislators and legislation that restricted reasonably. >> martha: we're going to take a quick break and will come back with another very volatile topic karen sexual-harassment scandals seem to be everywhere and they have taken down some of the biggest players in hollywood, the media, and now it's spreading on capitol hill. what concerns you the most about what is going on here? that is next. maria is an incredible mom. when it comes to helping her daughter, shopping for groceries, unclogging the sink, setting updentist appointments and planning birthday parties, nobody does it better. she's also in a rock band. look at her shred. but when it comes to mortgages,
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single day, we wake up and another prominent person is splashed across the headlines with sexual harassment charges. where do you think all of this is going and what concerns you about this? >> the more educated population is coming forward and that's where a lot of those allegations come from. in the past, people weren't as educated. i think it's a necessary conversation that we need to have and we need to continuously sustain this because if not, it tapers off and falls off and we go back to where we were. >> i think every woman on this panel can agree, there have been times in your life where you've dealt with some form of inappropriate comments, behavior, what have you. i think there is a dangerous slope going on where we are calling out a witch hunt in
every civil situation. there are times when it's a factor between two adults. there are things that happen. i don't think we should absolutely call everyone who is accused guilty because we presume innocence. in the case of roy moore, there are some questions about the accusers. at the same time, i see on the left, we have pictures of al franken grabbing. why isn't he being called out to resign? >> as a survivor of sexual assault, i have some strong opinions on this issue. not every single person who has had some thing happen to them, they don't need to come out and say what has happened to be taken seriously. whether it's been five months, e
decades, women should be able to say that this happened and it was wrong. i do not believe that we are allowed to have a slippery slope when it comes to sexual assault and specifically to minors. i don't know how we've gotten to a place where minors are being questioned. it's preposterous to me that we are discrediting people from what's gone on. they're not believed when they do. >> this is about people in power abusing their power and no one wants to talk about that. i think all of these allegations coming out is going to lead us in a good direction because the people in power it might think twice before they abuse their power because now women are speaking out, women are calling them out. we don't have to hide and wait. we can go right to social media.
i know you said you're concerned about women wrongly accusing people, that might happen, but at least they'll think twice before they do that. >> there is no a story that's come out in the past few days that has been used for settlement money. that money comes from all of you, comes from me and nobody knew about this fund or it certainly wasn't common knowledge. >> hollywood types come out and say i only got into the business because i get checks. i know it sounds crazy, it's probably wrong to say, but i think there's a lot of that. these guys have the power, they abuse the power, they want to be in that position and they're using our money to protect themselves. i have a daughter, it's absolutely horrendous, these people should be put in prison. there's no doubt about it.
the problem that i do have is that you are innocent until proven guilty. if you empower someone to say he is a molester, then people are empowered to come out. i think the big change has been cell phones. there are pictures. >> i'm a campaign manager. i think the allegations, it's a strong time for women dumb to come forward and have a voice for their voice to matter. before it was a woman's voice was only a fifth of a man's voice, but now people are coming forward. i'm really happy to see there being taken seriously. at the same time, i think politicians who are calling for al franken to resign are hypocrites because they're not
paying attention to roy moore. how can you look at one side? >> martha: that's a great point because there is underlying this, everyone wants people who have this conversation to speak out and certainly the kind of man that joe talked about need to be put in their place. there are concerns that some of it is opposition. you can see people flying at each other on a daily basis. in terms of the potential manipulation of that, is that something that we should be concerned about? >> i don't think this is a democratic problem our republican problem. it's an american problem. if it comes out because of opposition research, then good because it needs to come out. if you are doing these things, you should not be elected to our congress, you should not be representing us because i think everybody on this panel can
agree, that doesn't represent u us. >> no woman should have to compromise her values and compromise herself to get position, a job, or ahead in life. it's wrong that any man or a woman in power takes over another person like that. it's wrong and it shouldn't happen. i'm glad all of this stuff is coming to light. finally people are taking notic notice. now these people are finally going to pay.
they abuse their power and that is wrong in every way. there is a possibility that some women will come out and say he abused me 30 years ago and it may not be true, so we do have to keep it in mind that you are innocent until proven guilty. like someone else said, when you have pictures, al franken, you have pictures -- >> martha: great discussion and great point. coming back, president trump has made his feelings known when it comes to issues of the nfl. he did not want college vasco appears to think shoplifting was no big deal. the president speaks out about patriotism and accountability. what does that say about the future of the nfl, about the future of our country? that's next.
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>> martha: thanksgiving, turkey, football, all those good things, but this year, some fans are calling for a boycott of the nfl. the league has seen its unfavorably rise dramatically over the years. more than double -- the last four years alone karen this season has been marked by the fierce debate over sideline protests. a recent fox news poll finds the majority believe that kneeling during the anthem is an appropriate. herschel walker weighed in on this recently saying that everyone should stand for the anthem. despite all that, "gq" magazine has determined that the man who started all of this, colin kaepernick, is their citizen of the year. what we think? is colin kaepernick citizen of the year? you agree, go ahead. >> i think colin kaepernick has really taken a great loss to bring forth an issue of importance that's happening in america right now.
i think he brought it to the forefront. you don't get to skip over the first amendment and go straight to the second, you have to love them all. >> martha: who disagrees? >> absolutely racism is an issue i need to bring those conversations, we have to consider the forum. the nfl has the right to tell their players what uniform they can begin, where they can become a what they need to do, what they need to stand for or not. that's part of their employment contract that's the government. >> to your point, stemming for the anthem is not part of the employment contract. the reality is these are public figures and colin kaepernick, who is not the first athlete by the way, the wnba, i think the mystics started taking a stance about this during their team
playing offense. the bigger picture is the things we've circumvented, he was protesting social injustice and police brutality. >> i'm a former nypd lieutenant and i'm a former law officer and i understand that we do have a series of social injustices playing out in our society. however, there's time in a place for it. if that's your issue, address it with her legislator, not on the field karen when i watch a football game -- you hear me out, we'll get to you in one second. when i went to watch a football game, i want to watch the game. i'm not interested in a protest. they're disrespecting the flag, the troops, and our american
way. >> you part of the players are disrespecting the troops, colin kaepernick was going to sit and then he decided to take a knee because he wanted to show respect for the military. we only had some thing to say after the president had something to say. >> can we get to the point of he was supposed be protesting racial injustice? more caucasians are killed every year by cops than black americans. that's an actual statistical fact. the bottom line is when you're on that field, you are part of a team. you're there to play football. if you want to say something about social injustice or any other thing, you have the right off the field.
>> one of the great things about this is that this is america. we get a chance to express our opinions. other countries, we would get to have this sort of debate. it wasn't something that was embedded that had to be there. the good thing about this country as we get a chance to express our opinions even though it may not be the appropriate forum. because you express those opinions, people are now listening and now we have a conversation. now we can come to the table and discuss these issues. people are entitled to do whatever they want to do. i'm a veteran myself and also retorted law enforcement. when they argue about the forum, this country allows us.
>> i'm not a football fan, i honestly don't care about any of these people. in our country, so many important things are happening and this is a gigantic waste of time. if you want to change, do it on the outside. president trump should focus on his own stuff, the medium of should focus was going on in the administration and that's more important. this week alone, the new dhs nominee for president trump sat there and told us she doesn't believe in immigration. no one talked about it because they're talking about things are less important. >> martha: quick break, we'll come right back and give you a chance for a final say. and has been said that divided we fall and we're pretty divided right now. we've been through worse in many believe that our best days are ahead. do you agree with that? what unites us and what we are thankful for on the story next.
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weakening. that got us thinking about the things where think before this year as a nation and our panel is back. what divides us, what unites us, what are your deepest concerns? >> i agree that politics do divide us and we've really come as a country and to release operating often to our two corners and completely ignoring that middle part. even when the government shutdown happened, and happened because people tell their size and they refused to figure out how to come together. i am thankful i come from a place where the value is where we can find those common ground grounds.
>> martha: what about president trump and his role? >> and terms of his role dividing the country? over the past eight years, this country was divided by president obama. he made more divisions in this country than any other president. president trump is coming in on the tail end of that and like the young lady said over there, politics is dividing us and a way that it's never divided us before. when i was a kid, people never talked about who you voted for. >> i'm thankful to be an american, i'm grateful to god that we live in a country where we can have these debates and
still all be together as an american family and at the same time, i want to say i'm very thankful and grateful that we have president trump in the white house. >> i'm not going to clap to tha that. we can have these spirited debates, but no one listens. we'll never be heard, so nothing is accomplished. i think if we really took a timeout to listen to one another, treat each other with respect, respect each other as human beings and actually love each other -- let me finish. we would have more in common than not. where is the love in the world? >> i think it boils down to her family. when you talk to anybody, no matter what site of the political aisle you're on, if you start talking about their family, they love their family. if we focus on that, what we can do to make our families better, my kid came home from college today. it's awesome. everyone loves that and that's
the thing that we do have in common and we need to keep our families together. we have a lot of things that attacks our families, whether it's drugs or alcohol or sexual attacks, but our job is to make our family stronger. >> martha: hopefully that's happening on this thanks giving day. >> i agree with you that it starts with family. one of the things i find, especially with the media, you expect someone that i've been in conversations with a republican that when you sit at the table and are actually talking, you don't see fox news or cnn, you're looking for people to start listening to each other. try to have those conversations and see where you can match up to what we are living in this
country trying to make it a better place. >> martha: one last thought. >> i hear people say the media this, the media that. the truth of the matter is i don't have the ability to see what happens -- i can't see what's happening in arizona or california, so i think the media affects us as a population. politics has been separating us as a country and unfortunately, it's not getting any better. i think donald trump is done a lot of good things, but there are things he may want to take a step back on because he can be a tremendous unifier, but he needs to come to the table. >> martha: will be right back with some final thoughts on the story. stay with us. ♪ (mark zona) shop like a pro for great doorbuster deals
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middle income people and for jobs. it will also benefit lots of other things. i mean, we're looking to -- if you look at the whole thing, everybody's going to benefit. but i think the greatest benefit is going to be for jobs and for the middle class, middle income. >> all right, cnn's boris sanchez joining us from the white house. the president sounding really confident going into this week as he heads off to camp david. but, you know, he's not quite doing a victory lap just yet. >> that's right, fred. he's still kind of selling this bill as you just heard him do before he departs for camp david. right now the white house is cautiously optimistic that barring any kind of procedural snafu this will be their first major legislative victory, the passing of the first major tax reform bill in more than 30 years. they're confident, in part, because we've seen some republican senators that were previously in the no column switching over to yes, including florida senator marco rubio who drew a red line on thursday
thad cochran had an outpatient procedure on monday. his office says he will be on hand for this vote when it takes place either late tuesday or wednesday as it's looking like right now. and then of course senator john mccain, who's being treated for brain cancer here in washington, d.c. at walter reed medical center. his office has said he will be there for a vote. but sources are telling cnn that his health is very frail. we should note that president trump called walter reed yesterday and spoke with cindy mccain, the senator's wife, to offer best wishes and to check in. before heading to camp david, the president was asked about john mccain's health by reporters, but he did not give any indication as to how the senator was doing, fred. >> all right, boris sanchez, thanks so much from the white house. of course there are some sticking points and there have been along the way for this tax bill. senator marco rubio threatening to vote against it at the last minute. but then the late edition now of a $2,000 child tax credit change
is from a yes to a no. they wanted this included, something that wasn't in the house version. senate won out and the final version eliminates that mandate. i want to bring in our political panel. julian seleteser, cnn political analyst and historian at princeton. and our other guest, reporter for "the washington post." good to see you both. julian, you first the president expected to potentially do a real victory lap. this would be his first, you know, legislative accomplishment, but given that this bill is so unpopular, the president is unpopular, congress is unpopular, it's not necessarily reform, say some, but, instead, a new plan. how big of a victory might this be for the president? >> the good news for him is accomplishing something on the legislative front is significant and he will be able to point to
this as other republicans will be. as a change in domestic policy and a tax cut that a lot of the business community will be excited about. the bad news is this is the second most unpopular piece of legislation in about 30 years. so the republicans will really have to sell why this is necessary. and they'll be after effects that republicans will have to contend with, including taxes going up for many people in northeastern and the states and in california where there are many republicans who will face an angry electorate. >> so karoon, if they have to sell, you know, that this is something the americans really need, really sell it, when is there time to do that, will that even happen? >> that is their -- what they have to do in the next several months. look, this is a win for the gop to have said look, we can actually get our act together and pass a comprehensive, after a whole year in which they
managed to not meet the mark they set for themselves. it's good for the gop members in the congress that are running again, a lot of this stuff does not kick in until the next tax cycle which people will not start to feel until they're doing their taxes at the end of 2018. when it starts to matter is when people start to do their actual budgeting of whether they made out better or worse and we know some of these provisions for lower and middle class folks are expiring earlier than others. this will all start to kind of be a moment of reckoning before we get to the 2020 cycle. so there may be -- there may be individuals who are able to sell this as promises still of what you will be able to see that will be better. the bottom line, the actual tax bracket is, but the bottom line for people where they live when you're kind of balancing out both, okay, what is your raw tax bracket, but what is also the added burden that you don't necessarily have that health care mandate anymore with these
subsidies, that's going to take longer for people to feel where they live and their actual budgeting at home. can you get through one election cycle or more? probably it starts to become difficult after the next november. >> julian, a legislative win, does it potentially change the game at all for this president? >> i don't think it changes the game because president trump will still be president trump and my guess is the twitter feed will be filled with controversy in the coming weeks and the more controversial issues that he is involved in will not stop and so all of that will undercut the bill and the problems we've discussed. will also be problems that the gop needs to deal with, rather than a piece of legislation they can just boast about. none of that goes away. that said, having a victory undercuts some of his opponents who say that he can't achieve anything. and that the republican party is in total disrepair. so that's -- that's good for the
administration. but i think all those other problems remain. it's not a turning point that transforms president trump. >> all right. let's talk about a little shake-up taking place in the white house among staff. i'm talking about the departure of onmarosa from the white hous this week and all the publicity it received. she now very publicly kind of questioning the diversity of the white house. white house press secretary sarah sanders was asked about diversity following this departure and even, you know, the question is about that too and here's what sanders had to say. >> was omarosa leaving, how many senior staffers here at the white house are african-american? >> we have a really diverse team across the board at the white house. we always want to continue to grow the diversity here. we're going to continue to do that. and continue to work hard. i don't have a number directly in front of me specifically not african-american but i can say, again, we have a very diverse team at the white house. certainly very diverse team in
the press office. and something that we strive for every day is to add and grow to be more diverse and more representative of the country at large. >> so karoun, she didn't really answer the question, because she was asked specifically about the number of, you know, african-americans who are considered senior staffers and she talked broadly about diversity. so will there be greater pressure, particularly after this departure, for the white house to be able to specifically address that question? >> sure, there's going to be greater pressure. the question is how do they respond to that pressure? there's always pressure on the white house to have a staff that seems more representative of the demographics of the country than necessarily there is. this particular white house has a lot of white men in it, especially when you're looking at the cabinet and the inner circle. yes, the president's daughter is there too. but you don't see a ton of racial diversity. there's a few minorities in the
cabinet level position. but not people that are front and center in the biggest jobs and the ones that are kind of on camera every day. >> i guess i wonder if this white house hasn't felt like it had to acquiesce to the question of, you know, is the staff at all representative of the demographics of the nation with this departure. does this now press the white house to say we have to be more transparent about the representation or lack thereof? >> it may increase the pressure but again, there's all kinds of pressure to this white house that they choose to respond to. does this mean they're going to turn around in the next month and find, you know, promote african-american people to be taking over, you know, jobs that are within the president's inner circle? that's not the way they've operated thus far. i can't predict what they may do to respond to the pressure. certainly this is now in public as criticism. the president does not always respond to public criticism so it's an open question. >> julian. >> yes, this is a president who's taken on affirmative
action. who has often mocked the idea of diversity. so i doubt whether that pressure will really get to him or get to his inner circle and at the same time i could almost imagine him using this as one of those cases where he's under attack from the politically correct quote/unquote crowd. and acts in defiant fashion. so it's often hard to prediction how he'll respond to these issues. >> there's that today "washington post" story that's talking about whether people in a meeting at the cdc were told even among the words no longer to use in written documents diversity, but we don't have any official word from the white house whether there's a directive and whether that meeting really took place, even though "the washington post" standing by its reporting and the sources that were at that meeting. all right, thanks to both of you, julian, karoun, appreciate it, happy hanukkah, happy holidays. still ahead, president trump's lawyers are set to meet with special counsel robert
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the russia investigation could be headed for a few pivotal moments next week. sources say a key meeting is set to take place between president trump's private lawyers and the special counsel where the president's team is hoping to learn the investigation is northe nearing its end. this comes as music publicist rob goldstone who set up meeting is set to testify in congress at any moment now, any day now. let's bring in cnn's nic robertson who is in moscow for us. nic, what role is this publicist playing in the investigation? when is he likely to testify to? >> well, we got an idea of it when he talked to a journalist from a british newspaper about a month or so ago and he said he wants to clear up his involvement in all of this. he says he is just an innocent
party. that he was asked by one of the mus music, you know, a singer based in russia who he represents to set him up with a meeting with donald trump jr. and this is what he went ahead and did. but obviously for the investigators, they're going to want to know about what he meant by some of the things he said and the e-mail when he set this up that he would be bringing a russian government prosecutor with him, natalya valiskaya. she has come out on television and raised her own questions and doubts about goldsteen and the v veracity of what he might see. so an effort to undermine whatever he tells the investigators. but key will be to find out what he said in that e-mail, that he would be able to hook up trump jr. with people who could give him information, russian government information, that
could be detrimental to hillary clinton. they're going to want to know and understand more about it. and the other avenue that they may want to explore with rob goldstein as well, goldstein has said that he was in moscow in 2013 with donald trump when he was here for a miss universe pageant at that time so there will be perhaps elements of now president trump, donald trump at the time, visit to moscow then that they may want to talk about because there's been that document, the dossier that was produceded by fusion -- by fusion gps, contributed by former mi6 analyst christopher steele, that perhaps pertain to activities and events during that visit in 2013 so goldstein may be able to provide clarity on those issues. that's what investigators are likely to want to probe and find out more, but specifically what
he meant when he said russian officials haven't had information that could damage hillary clinton. >> all right, nic robertson in moscow, thanks. all right, still ahead, the cdc reportedly given a list of words prohibited from use in any official documents by the trump administration. among them, fetus, transgender and diversity. what might this say about the legacy of the trump administration?
science-based when preparing next year's budget. "the washington post" reports the trump administration gave the cdc, the centers for disease control, a list of seven prohibited words and phrases including vulnerable, entitlement, diversity, transgender, fetus, evidence-based and science-based. the health and human services spokesperson disputes that "washington post" report, saying, quote, the assertion that hhs has banned words is a complete mischaracterization of discussions regarding the budget formulation process. hhs also strongly encourages the use of outcome and evidence data in program evaluations and budget decisions. a longtime cdc analyst told the post the reaction in the room was mostly "are you serious?" joining us now via skype from washington is lena sun, national health reporter for "the washington post." lena, i should say, hi, good to
see you. this is pretty extraordinary reading this. a lot of your information, you and another reporter, your information is based on people who were in the room who -- anonymous, they're not revealing themselves because they were not speaking in an official capacity, right, so based on these sources, did anyone in the room at the time of this meeting or announcement ask what is the basis of these bans and why? >> so you have to understand the federal budget process. we're in that now. federal agencies are working on coming up with the documents to say here's what we do with the money that the federal government gives us. and they describe those programs. and that's where we are now. and this is the context for which those words were told to these budget analysts that they weren't supposed to use them. because some drafts had included these words and they were being kicked back and they were flagged as, you know, needing
correction. in the case of three of those words, was in writing that they were kicked back. and when the senior person that's a career civil servant had this meeting with the budget analyst, she said and there are other words and then she listed the words and then they were not supposed to use them. >> was there any challenge in the room as to why? >> no, you have to understand, these people are budget -- their job is to write up the budget and if you put in these words -- well, if you put them in at your level, they're going to get taken out later on. so save yourself some time and don't put them in because they're just going to get kicked back and delay the process. >> e guess there's a feeling too if they publicly dissent, i mean, in the room, then their jobs are in jeopardy? >> well, the job is to write the budget. the cdc is part of hhs. hhs is part of the federal government. this is what they've been told they do. they would -- this is what they got to do to keep their jobs. >> right, right, and so in
your -- in your "washington post" reporting, you say that people -- your sources allege that, you know, this list of the seven words and phrases that was delivered by or at least this meeting was, you know, led by allison kelly, a senior leader in the agency's office, financial offices? >> she is the deputy director of the office of appropriations which is part of the office of financial resources, which is a lot of, you know, technical terms to mean that's the part of the agency that comes up with the budget that gets the information from other parts of theate j aiat theate, the agency, sending up the chain. it's not her job to say, oh, we're not going to be able -- >> do we know where the directive cam from? >> we don't, we don't know where it came from, but if you understand the budget process, the office of management and budget is the ultimate arbiter of what goes in the bubldget.
the budget document reflects what the president's priorities are. and i would imagine they would be uniform across the government. so you notice one of the words that was forbidden or people were told not to use is the word entitlement. cdc is not an agency that has any of the entitlement programs. that suggests to me that this is something broader within hhs. >> all right, it's fascinating read. lena sun, thank you so much, happy hanukkah, happy holidays. all right, still ahead, one of president trump's judicial nominees gets grilled during his confirmation hearing. we'll bring you that very awkward moment next.
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wright and first degree murder of lorenzen wright. they are presumed innocent until proven guilty. >> when police was asked about the relationship between the two suspects, police said, quote, it's safe to say they knew each other. president trump's efforts to remake the federal courts are off to a rather quick start with the senate confirming 12 appeals court judges in the president's first year, a modern record. but some of trump's nominees have come under fire for their extreme lack of experience or even basic legal knowledge. the latest example, matthew peterson, a commissioner on the federal election commission. cnn justice reporter laura jarrett has the story. >> this cringe-worthy exchange between republican senator john kennedy and president trump's nominee for a powerful seat on the federal bench in d.c. is raising questions about the qualifications of the people president trump is appointing. in this case, matthew peterson
admits he hasn't tried a case, has no basic grasp open basic legal motions filed routinely in federal court and really no familiarity with the legal standards he'll be tasked with applying. >> have you ever tried a jury trial? >> i have not. >> civil? >> no. >> criminal? >> no. >> bench? >> no. >> state or federal court? >> i have not. >> do you know what a motion in limine is? >> i would probably not be able to give you a good definition. >> do you know what the youunge abstention doctrine is? >> i've heard of it. >> how about the pullman abstention doctrine? you'll see that a lot in federal court. okay. >> this exchange right on the heels of news earlier this week that the white house is also withdrawing the nomination of brett tally who was unanimously rated not qualified by the american bar association, as well as the nomination of jeff mater who was up for a seton the
federal trial court in texas but the team found comments where he disparaged transgender children, fred. >> laura jarrett, thank you. let's bring in our legal guys. avery freeman, a civil rights attorney and richard friedman, a criminal defense attorney. good to see you both. happy hanukkah, happy holiday. >> you too. >> you first, avery, this gentleman nominated for a lifetime appointment. the questions that mr. kennedy was asking about his knowledge or experience of, you know, different various types of trial, you know, attorney work or even awareness of motions. is that typical that an attorney or -- would have had all of that experience before being considered for this kind of bench? >> yeah! i mean, the amazing thing about this is not that he didn't know anything, the idea that you appear before a judiciary committee and i've done it and believe me, you prepare, because you've got like ten people
firing questions at the same time. what it seems like is i don't think matthew peterson is a lunchhe lunckhead, fredricka, i think he wasn't prepared. give credit to senator kennedy from louisiana. a trump supporter who supported his other judicial nominations but he said, you know what, we are a check and balance against the executive branch and, you know what, within five minutes, there was nothing left of matthew peterson. he may be good for an administrative post somewhere but in a federal courthouse, huh-uh, wrong guy. >> it was a humiliating moment. you don't have to be from the field of law to just kind of feel for peterson at that moment. so richard, you know, the american bar association rated peterson as qualified, but, you know, he clearly failed to answer basic questions. so qualified based on what then? why would, you know, the ada say that? >> he's not qualified, fred, and
i don't believe the aba said that. >> yes, they did. >> this is so disturbing, fred, on so many levels. you know, united states district court judge, these are some of the best and brightest of the judges in the history of the united states jurisprudence system. they really are. they're appointments for life. they don't answer politically. they don't have to run for office. you walk into a federal court, these are very serious cases, fred. that's where i make a living. people are facing 20, 30 years in prison. the civil lawsuits are usually $100,000 and above. it's very, very serious. and to think the creed dullty of this individual to think he had the ability to be a federal court judge. it's like sarah palin, couldn't count to ten, thought she could be the vice president of the united states. >> except he didn't nominate himself. somebody said, hey, i got this great potential opportunity, you want to be able to step up and
say yes. but then he's also being underserved perhaps by others who said we do think you're qualified, it doesn't matter that you haven't, you know, argued in civil, you know, or bench or criminal cases. >> don mcgann, the white house counsel, is who. that's the answer. >> no, he never -- fred, he never did a trial! he never did a small claims court trial. >> even we heard senator kennedy say no depositions, i mean, independently -- >> not one deposition did he handle on his own, fred. come on, he didn't know a motion in limine. a first year law student, a parallel, it's on every bar exam. how do you not know that? it's an abomination. >> you haven't used that word in a while, i like that. avery, the white house though is contending and they even put out a statement saying peterson is qualified. the president's opponents are the ones who keep trying to distract. senator john kennedy, you know, the republican there, you know, was the lawmaker who was grilling peterson.
he was a guest on cnn just last night. >> you can't just walk into a federal courthouse for the very first time and say here i am, i think i want to be a judge. it just doesn't work that way. >> so avery, i guess every one is relieved that no, it doesn't work that way it shouldn't be so easy. you actually have to be up for the task. >> well, that's right. beyond the fact that clearly the nominee hadn't been prepared, this isn't lunck-headedness, this is stupidity. i think it's unbridled arrogance coming out of the white house counsel. don mcgann was one of the -- well, the most instrumental person in setting this nominee up. you walked into the judiciary committee and a republican senator ate the guy alive. if anything, the blame -- let me tell you something, in the history of federal court, in the history of our federal legal system, it is not exclusively
republican. democrats have done the same thing. when you put in a candidate like that, by and large, you're going to see exactly what happened yesterday. and you know what, it proves that the system works. the legislative branch checks the executive braj and yesterday arrogance lost and competence won. >> you can't help but be humiliated for peterson too. either he wasn't prep order somehow no one knew these are the kinds of questions you would be asked or needed to be prepared for in order to, you know, sit on the bench to have such an incredibly important job for life. >> right. >> fred, these were not esoteric questions they were asking him. a motion in limine is a motion made before trial to preclude evidence. it's a basic motion. it's one and one is two. if you're a lawyer, you know this, fred. he didn't know that! >> that's why he wasn't going to get confirmed.
>> it's not preparation -- >> maybe he thought he would not and people around him thought it was going to happen. all right. well, richard -- >> clearly, he was not -- he missed law school the day they taught law. this guy -- >> ah, this guy -- >> this is a disgrace, this just shows utter incompetence to appoint someone like this to the federal bench. it's a disgrace. even the republicans are losing their minds over this. >> i'm no attorney but just watching it, it was more than cringe worthy. it was painful. >> exactly right. >> richard herman, avery friedman, good to see you both. >> congratulations on your nomination, 49th naacp image awards, you deserve it, fred, congratulations. >> absolutely. >> thank you so much, i feel really honored. thanks to you, avery and richard, appreciate it. always helping us all shine. have a great holiday, see you next time.
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>> reporter: welcome back to beattyville, kentucky. president trump won 81% of the vote in this county. when we came here right after the inauguration, there was a lot of hope. people were betting that president trump could turn things around for them here, bring back jobs and prosperity. >> the day of the election, everybody was excited. fresh meat in the white house. >> reporter: so we've come back a year later to find out if the president has lived up to their hopes. are you getting that change you voted for yet? >> i am seeing attempt at change. i'm still hopeful. i don't think any of the problems that we have is gonna be quick fixes. >> reporter: herald and lee andra live in beattyville, kentucky, with their three daughters. leandra's a artist. harold is a mason. he drives two hours each way to and from work because the best paying job he could find around here only paid $11 an hour. it's steady work but he's making
less than he was a year ago. they invited us to this family meal, nearly a year after we first met them following the election. >> we were the ones that kind of fell in the crack. >> reporter: can donald trump help you? >> we'll see. >> if he brings some jobs in here. >> he don't have insurance. i don't have insurance. >> reporter: now she's still hopeful but still without health insurance. did you try to sign up for obamacare this year? >> yes, i checked and it was like $600. >> reporter: obamacare's too expensive for you. >> yes. >> reporter: but you guys make too much money to qualify for medicaid. >> uh-huh, stuck in the middle. >> reporter: and you got pretty sick recently. >> yes. >> reporter: did you avoid going to the doctor, checking it out for a while because you didn't have health insurance? >> absolutely. i've lost like 60 pounds in the last six months. >> reporter: if nothing changes on health care, by 2020, does he get your vote again? >> there would be a really, really good possibility because i see congress standing in the way more than him.
i've worked six shifts this week so i'm pretty tired. it's paycheck to paycheck every time. >> reporter: their 22-year-old daughter sara makes them immensely proud. your hope for them? >> that they can find happiness without having to just break their i have a degree in public health and human services. >> you tried to get jobs in the town with your degree. >> yes. >> what happened? >> everything was like $8 or $9 an hour. >> but you have thousands in student loan debt. >> yes. >> so the system isn't working for you. >> no. >> sara didn't work, she says, no time because she was working three jobs. she has been hoping for change largely for her parents. >> here you are watching your mom go through this. >> it breaks my heart. i could cry talking about it.
my mom is the best person. she would give anything to anybody. and she can't get the help she needs. it's not her fault. >> and you can't help. >> i can't do anything to help her. >> you don't make enough to pay for that. >> nope. >> beattyville is a community struggling. according to the data, more than half the people live below the poverty line and the majority of the county are on medicaid. >> beattyville has been home for you since you were born. >> home sweet home. if you want to get back to nature here is where you want to come. >> he is trying to tap into that building cabins for to yourists >> his auto shop is struggling. >> you've lost old, we've had a lot of coal mining. >> is that part of why you voted
for president trump? >> yes. that was a lot. >> this coal facility people kept telling us reopened after the election. it's nowhere near big enough to turn this economy around. >> how has the president done one year in? >> he has done, or tried to do more of his promises than any other president. >> he's tried. but has he succeeded? >> no. he's not been able. it's been one stumbling stone. >> who do you blame for getting into his way? >> a lot of politicians. the way i see it, he is a normal person like myself. not a politician. he don't talk like a politician. >> he's a billionaire from new york city. >> he's a billionaire from new york city. he's not a politician. >> he is. he's the president. >> he's the president, but -- >> he's a politician. >> you no good and well he don't act like one. >> what will it take for president trump to win your vote again in 2020? >> all he's got to do is run
again, honey. >> that's it? >> that's it. >> but that's not it for this man. after voting for president obama twice, he cast his ballot for president trump. >> he's not the man i thought he was. he's not. he just -- he's overbearing. and he's not getting nothing done. >> he says he's accomplished nor than any president. >> he has not. he talks a good talk, but can he walk the walk. he said he'd put everybody back to work. >> jobs with a living wage. that's what he said would lift beattyville up, not government assistance. for now, he relies on its father's va benefits to get by as he takes care of his mother. >> i'm not -- if i went to find work i'd have to leave here. >> if you look at the population that could be working but not what would you say it is? >> at least 30%. 35%. >> that's scary. >> it is. it's that way all over these towns. >> something else ripping at the
foundation of so many communities, including this one, the drug epidemic. >> the drug epidemic in our county leads back to jobs, because if there were jobs people wouldn't feel forted ced do things such as drugs. >> this 18-year-old knows all too well. >> last summer a bunch of drug related murders. it bothered me real bad so i wrote a song about it. there's plenty of people just sitting at the house right now praying for a job. it's killing them. they want to work and provide for the families but don't have the means ♪ a long time, a man named bobby joe ♪ ♪ spent -- >> kentucky's crackdown on the opioid crisis has landed more people behind bars. it was announced a big employer will reopen. it's the private prison right
down here. so yes, it means more jobs here, but it's because of the heart breaking impact that drugs are having here and across the country. >> does president trump get credit for the prison reopening? >> yeah. >> no. no. >> tprospects, what are they? >> they're grim. they're grim because right now, we're clinging to the past. the only way we're going to fix eastern kentucky is get entrepreneurship. create jobs by people creating businesses. >> some are. >> some are. >> it's time that our community is seen in a more positive light. i think that's what my generation and the current leaders of beattyville have decided to do. we want to have a community that our children don't have to graduate and leave. they want them to see that you can live here and be happy and
successful. >> did you think about leaving? >> i have, but i love this town. this is more than just where i debris up. this is my family. >> we have to learn to support each other. we can't weight for somebody to pull us out of a hole. >> 81% of the people here voted for president trump. what has he brought to beattyville? >> he brought hope. without hope, you have nothing. >> people have been optimistic because they wanted trump to win. they actually put in an effort. once they seen he won, they took the initiative and done something. >> we're poverty stricken but happiness is rich here. if you're happy, you're rich. cannot live without it.
he has a pattern. what the pattern we have from donald trump is a lot of times he'll lie about something that happens and he'll do what he wants to do. >> all of this -- >> i'm convinced -- >> symone -- >> i've convinced her. >> i think you made a lot of progress with symone. all that matters, what will this mean if the president does meet with special counsel and asked about this? if he gives answers he's been giving to the media and others, it may not go well. our coverage continues right now, "cnn tonight" with don lemon. >> this is cnn breaking news. >> it is bombshell breaking news on the russia investigation, really. this is" cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. this is hugely significant. the president, president trump ordered robert mueller, the special counsel heading up the russia investigation fired this past june. and the only thing that stopped him was when his own white house counsel don mcgahn threatened to quit rather than carry out the order. this story was first reported by
the rosenstein firing, the rosenstein the president has not trusted for quite some time, really, if ever. again, that was another reason he kept being discussed. the president kept saying to people that rosenstein comes from baltimore, which is not true. and the idea that he is trying to suggest that he is a democrat. but rosenstein has been in the president's craw future some time. and the idea is if you get rid of rosenstein, then you would have someone else become the attorney general. in this case, it was the number three, rachel brand, and perhaps she would be a better overseer of the special counsel. >> maggie haberman, tremendous reporting. thank you very much. we appreciate you joining us on cnn. >> thank you. >> again, this is our breaking news tonight. hugely significant. president trump ordered robert mueller, the special counsel heading up the russia investigation, fired this past june. and the only thing that stopped
him was when the white house counsel don mcgahn threatened to quit rather than carry out the order. again, the story supported by "the new york times" has been confirmed down now by two other news organizations. let's bring in cnn senior political analyst mark preston, cnn political analyst carl bernstein and white house reporter kaitlan collins. also john dean, who was of course white house counsel, nixon's white house counsel and cnn legal analyst laura coates joins us as well. man, what a story we have here. i'm going get to all of you. but mark, i want to get to you first. let me read this. this is from maggie's reporting. it says the west wing confrontation is the first time mr. trump is known to have tried to fire the special counsel. mr. mueller learned about the episode in recent months as his investigators interviewed current and former senior white house officials in his inquiry into whether the president obstructed justice. so, mark, what's your reaction to this breaking story? >> you know, unfortunately, don, i'm not surprised by it at all. and i don't think anybody who is watching tonight should be surprised by it at all. he has been very adamant about his opposition to this
investigation, which leads you to wonder why has he been so fervently against it? at the same time, there is a track record. he fired james comey because he wasn't considered loyal enough to him. he wanted jeff sessions to leave his job as the attorney general because he would recuse himself from overseeing the mueller investigation now. we know that jeff sessions had offered his resignation, and it wasn't accepted. this is another very big red flag that i think those people out there that are watching that think this has just been going down rabbit holes and that this is a partisan attack or criticism of donald trump that. they need to stop and start looking at the evidence right now. >> of course, if you're only paying attention to conservative media, you might not believe that you might not even get the news on conservative media. laura, i have to ask you this. the president didn't ultimately go through with it, okay. can this be used as evidence against trump for obstruction? >> yes, obstruction is a crime
of endeavoring. you can endeavor to actually obstruct justice, and that can be enough to move the needle towards obstruction, even if you did not accomplish that crime. and all the things you're talking about marks a discussion about a pattern. these are all patterns of consciousness of guilt. these are all contextual clues telling you can infer what his intent would be, and he is endeavored to not only do these things, but in one case, if his own statements to lester holt are to believed, he actually accomplished one form of obstruction by trying to fire and actually firing james comey because of his handling and continuation of a russia investigation that circled around him and his inner circle. >> john dean, i wanted you to hear some of the reporting first before i got to you. what do you make of all this? i'm sure this is reminiscent of when you served as special counsel. >> well, in a way, it is. laura is right in saying that under the statutory law, this is clearly an endeavor. what we have, though, is another
set of laws called the law of impeachment. whatever that is what the majority of the house of representatives says it is. and whether they decide it is an impeachable offense, of course, is a majority vote. but they all draw from statutes and make those the relevant standard. but i think we're just piecing another piece in this big puzzle as to what is intent. and he is making very clear his intent was to obstruct. >> if this had taken place, john, would this have been on par with the saturday night massacre under nixon? >> oh, absolutely. absolutely. i think that don mcgahn threatened to resign because he had no choice. he realized he was engaging and possibly joining a criminal conspiracy to remove or to obstruct justice. and that's what a lawyer has to do in a situation like that is either threaten to resign or quietly resign.
in some jurisdictions, they actually have to make a noisy withdrawal when they do it. >> yeah. you were shaking your head in agreement when you said this is another piece in the puzzle, and a big piece. >> it is. because we see the pattern above all things. donald trump through his first year in office has done everything possible to undermine, obstruct, demean, and halt this legitimate investigation into his campaign, the conduct of people in his family. it doesn't mean they're guilty. he doesn't want this investigation to go forward at all costs. he now has engaged the republican party, which is staking its future to some extent in trying to undermine the investigation. what we've seen in the last two weeks from republicans trying to undermine mueller's version is quite extraordinary thinking has to speak to deeper concerns the president might have to this investigation, carl, and where it might lead, no?
>> well, of course he's concerned. look, i can't be in donald trump's head. that's a very dangerous place to be. but i think it's obvious, and he hates where this investigation is going. he tells his friends, oh, there is nothing there. that this is a witch-hunt. they just want to get into my finances. but this is about his conduct, about his conduct in the campaign, about his conduct in the transition, about his conduct in possible obstruction as president of the united states. and it is deadly serious. and the people around him understand he is in legal danger. he may or may not understand he is in legal danger. but that's what we're dealing with here. but there is an extraordinary second element of that. and that is what we are seeing once again with the white house counsel restraining the president of the united states from following his instincts. what is going on in the white house now is trying to contain a president whose basic instincts
are out of control very often, and to do things that are neither reputable, often not legal, and certainly not in keeping with the presidential oath to defend the office in a responsible way. >> with the tradition of presidents who came before him. what is the white house saying, if anything tonight? >> the only statement they put out is from ty cobb, a white house lawyer saying they respectfully decline to comment on this out of respect for the special counsel's investigation and its process, which is a very interesting comment especially in light we just saw anthony scaramucci talk with our colleague chris cuomo saying it's irrelevant president wanted don mcgahn to fire because that's not how it works. it's interesting if you look at what has happened over the last 36 hours. because the white house has put out this information to reporters saying 20 people from the white house has spoken with robert mueller. we've given them all these documents. we fully cooperated. they're putting on this front that they're fully cooperating with the special counsel's office.
but as maggie, who broke the story just pointed out, the white house has spent the last seven months lying to not only reporters, but the american people because they have said that the president did not consider firing him. he did not threaten to fire him. it was not on his mind at all. from sean spicer to sarah sanders to kellyanne conway, to the president himself, these people have lied to the american people saying to the president was not considering firing the special counsel when in fact he was. >> mark, kaitlan, laura, john thank you very much. carl bernstein, john dean, i want you to stay with me. when we come back, president trump tried to fire special counsel robert mueller last june, and the only threat by his own white house counsel to quit stopped him. did the president learn nothing from the firestorm over firing james comey?
president trump called for special counsel robert mueller to be fired in june. but backed down when white house attorney don mcgahn threatened to resign rather than carry out that directive. back with me carl bernstein and john dean. gentlemen, thank you so much for joining us here and continuing to join us here on the program. john, there have been multiple times since june that the president has denied he has considered firing mueller. watch this. >> mr. president, you've sought or thought about, considered leading to the dismissal of special counsel. is there anything bob mueller could do to send you in that direction? >> i haven't given it any thought. i've been reading about it from you people saying oh, i'm going dismiss him. no i'm not dismissing anybody. i want them to get on with the task. but i also want the senate and the house to come out with their findings. >> a quick follow-up on an earlier question to sarah. you discussed the special counsel and the investigation currently. are you considering firing robert mueller? >> no, not at all. >> are you considering firing mueller? >> no, i'm not. >> so, john, his staff and his attorneys also denied it at
least five other times. yet we know now that's not true. >> it is not true. and this all will be used or could be used against him at some point. it's going to come up when he is questioned by mueller, asking him how could he make a public statement that is 180 degrees from the truth when he clearly has evidence that the exact opposite happened. his staff is complicit as well. whether this is sufficient to join a conspiracy to obstruct is not clear, but it's certainly ooh willingness to play along. we need more evidence to see if they actually agreed to conspire. but this is serious stuff, don. and it's a remarkable breaking story because it does show and complete the pattern that we've been seeing. >> yeah. carl, i've got to ask you, and i asked in the tease before the break, did he learn nothing? did he learn nothing from the blowback from firing james comey? has he learned anything over the past year?
>> well, actually, he's been very successful in his own terms, which is to say he acts as if nothing sticks to him. and in fact, very little has. and he, if you talk to the people around him, they will tell you, this is his operating presumption. that if he can get his base riled up about a witch-hunt, that is more important than the lying we just saw, more important than firing mueller or giving pardons. he believes on some level i'm told he can get away with just about anything. and in fact, he has in many regards. and now he has for the last two weeks the republicans on capitol hill tethered to him, tooting a line that is so much in his defense at a moment when they ought to be saying the president of the united states is not above the law. this investigation must go forward. we must find out what happened here.
and instead, mcconnell, ryan, have done nothing to say to their members let our position be we want this investigation to be completed. we support it. let's find out what happened and then we can move on. >> cnn has now confirmed the president ordered the firing of special counsel robert mueller in june. the directive was not followed through. has he realized, john, and maybe people in the white house, maybe they haven't realized because they've never worked there before. many have never held positions in washington that very little remains secret in the white house. you know that. >> that's very true. while they can stay secret for a while, inevitably, they slip out. particularly that was evident going in with this presidency, that he was going to have great trouble with leaks. and it is borne out. one of my earliest tweets about the presidency is how porous it was going to be just watching the campaign. so he's got to assume everything
he does is basically going to be reported at some stage. and he ought to be acting in a way it will not be any problem to be reported. one thing i can say for him, he speaks his mind, which if he was doing this behind closed doors as nixon did, and then it came out, it would be even more devastating. it's pretty devastating coming out the way it is. but at least it's not behind closed doors. does trump know -- does he have to admit to mueller that he tried to fire him when he interviews him in a face-to-face, john? >> well, he is likely to be caught in a lie if he doesn't. mcgahn obviously got the instruction, understood it, realized the implications of it, the criminal implications of it. the conspiratorial. >> it's perjury, right, if he lies? >> well, it depends whether he is under oath. of course he said he would like to be under oath. but it's more likely he'll just be interviewed by mueller with
other aids and other maybe some fbi agents present as well. and there his threat is under 18 usc 1001, which is the false statement statute. you cannot fake false statements to federal official, especially an investigative setting like this. so, yes, he has to tell the truth. >> carl, i want to read more. this is from "the times." this is the president's argument for why mueller should go, okay, why he should be fired. first he claimed that a dispute years ago over fees at trump national golf course in sterling, virginia, had prompted mr. mueller, the fbi director at the time, to resign his membership. the president also said mr. mueller could not be impartial because he had most recently worked for law firm that previously represented the president's son-in-law, jared . finally, the president said mr. mueller had been interviewed to return as fbi director the day before he was appointed special counsel in may. are those legitimate reasons, any of those? >> no.
they're not only not legitimate reasons, they're obviously the product of some, quote, opposition research to find out everything they could about mule mueller that might be some kind of potential conflict of interest. none of them seriously are. what all of this is about is only his -- trump's desire to make this investigation go away. that's what he has been doing for a year, to discredit in everywhere possible, to make sure somehow that his family is not brought into this any further. and now the tentacles of this investigation are around members of his own family. those closest to him in his business organization, in this campaign organization. it doesn't mean that they're going to be found guilty or even indicted. but this investigation has touched and surrounded the people he's closest to. and now himself.
he knows he is in the crosshairs of this, particularly with the obstruction element. and he is still determined, according to those that he talks to somehow find a republicans to find a way to out , make this investigation go away so that he is not further burdened by it. >> do you remember that red line, john dean, that he set back in july when he told "the new york times" they cannot look into my finances. they should not be looking into my finances. that was a month after he tried to fire mueller. >> that's right. and he is no position to draw red lines, or his staff. mueller is going to decide the scope of his investigation. he can always go back to the deputy attorney general who is his superior in this instance because of sessions' recusal and get broader authority if he we understand from testimony before the house judiciary committee by rosenstein that indeed he has done this. he has constantly been in touch
about this investigation. so that red line comment is really meaningless, don. >> and he is looking at those financial aspects. we know this from the lawyers for other people who work at the white house who have been asked questions by mueller's investigators about these specifics having to do with trump organization finances, with jared kushner's finances, with donald trump's finances. he is looking into donald trump's finances, particularly as they relate to russians, russian nationals, possible russian businesses. and why would that be? because if indeed there is some suggestion or evidence of going along with russian efforts to undermine hillary clinton's campaign, there might be a financial component aimed at making the president open to ending these sanctions. >> john, i think it's important.
i want to put this tweet up. this is from walter schwab. before you canonize mcgahn, remember, he pressured sessions not to recuse. i bet his objection was not that firing mueller was wrong, but that it was dangerous. also, this is not the first leak to paint mcgahn in a good light at trump's expense. if i were trump, i would wonder about mcgahn. is he implying that mcgahn could make the same decision that you did with richard nixon and cooperate with investigators? >> well, i don't think he has any choice in this instance. his client is not donald trump. it's the office of the president. he is going to have to respond accordingly. i think walter makes a good point about canonizing the counsel for doing what he is supposed to do. but he obviously i think it also suggests that he saw the peril in this and the potential criminality of it. and that's why he backed off and was wise to do so. and that might be why trump has
also changed his tune and say i look forward to talking that to this guy. he may realize he crossed the line. >> by the way, we're going talk to walter schwab at the top of the next hour. thank you, gentlemen. i appreciate it. thank you so much. when when come back, much more on our breaking news. president trump ordered robert mueller fired last june. the only thing that stopped him, a threat of resignation from the white house counsel. we're going to tell you what sarah sanders said just days ago when asked about the president firing mueller.
yes, yes and yes. and don't forget about them. uh huh, sure. still yes! xfinity delivers gig speed to more homes than anyone. now you can get it, too. welcome to the party. here is the breaking news. a source confirms to cnn tonight that president trump ordered the firing of special counsel robert mueller last june, backing off only after white house counsel don mcgahn threatened to quit. joining me to talk about this now, cnn political analyst ryan lizza, as well as cnn political commentator robby mook and scott jennings. gentlemen, good evening to you. ryan, i want to start with you. the president tried to pull off his own saturday night massacre, except he couldn't. what is your reaction to this? >> well, it is part of a pattern that we've seen now for a year with this investigation, whether it was, you know, demanding loyalty from comey and of course
so that doesn't mean just because he didn't -- it didn't happen, that he didn't try to do it. his intent was to do it. >> i'm not disputing the reporting. but he has actually gone through with other things. i mean, he obviously fired comey. there have been moments where he did things and there have been moments where he didn't do things. i think the interplay there is important context for this conversation tonight. >> robbie? >> he had -- comey, he had someone at the justice department as a sort of fig leaf and an excuse to do it, right? the rosenstein memo. i think he was probably hoping he would get the same thing here where mcgahn would go through it and he could say oh, my white house counsel did it. he said it was fine. >> go ahead, robbie. i know you want to weigh in on this. >> yeah, first of all the fact that the white house is lying about something that happened, that's not news. but this is another big piece in a picture that's been unfolding as ryan was saying. and this investigation has only
this going to be too much and republicans are going to start flaking away. >> do you want to take a crack at that, scott? >> well, i don't think the republican party is going to peel away from the president of the united states based on one article in "the new york times." i think most republicans will watch what mueller does. will see how it plays out, and they'll make decisions from there. we tend to have this conversation after every story. when is the republican party going to move? well, look, they're going to let the process play out, and we don't know anything yet. we don't know yet when the president is going to talk to the counsel. we don't know what charges, if any more are coming. we don't know what the results of this are going to be. and i don't think one story in one news story is going to cause republicans to go running for the hills. if they haven't already, they've decide heard this going to stick with the president until they have seen some real evidence that they've done something wrong here. >> ryan, is it just one story? >> well, no it's obviously the accumulation of stories. and with each of these stories, we get a little bit -- the picture comes into focus a little bit more. but the general pattern is the president of the united states
doing everything he can up until certain lines to shut this investigation down. it seems like the comey firing was so politically disastrous inside the white house. and i think a lot of republicans warned him that doing something similar to mueller would end his presidency. so it does seem that cooler heads prevailed when he ordered mcgahn to do this. if you remember, there were republican voices on the hill when this was being floated this summer, saying don't do that, don't do that. that would be a red line. so firing mueller has for a lot of republicans, it has always been the red line. and it looked like trump couldn't figure out a way that he could pull the trigger on firing him without it being his direct decision. i think it's very interesting that the president wouldn't do it himself. he wanted his white house counsel to do it, but he wouldn't do it himself. for some reason he was scared. >> i have to ask you this,
because anthony scaramucci, you know a little bit about anthony scaramucci. he seemed to try to pin the blame for this story coming out on steve bannon. that was a short time ago. he spoke with chris. listen. >> i find it very ironic that this information is coming out while he is here in davos, while he's had great fanfare. so, you know, you and me, i would love to get a look at somebody like steve bannon's phone records to see who he is talking to and how this information is out there. second thing i will say is that the president talks to everybody. and so this information apparently happened in june. why it is coming out right now like a big water balloon on the president when he is having a fantastic trip here in davos, meeting with world leaders? >> ryan, how do i don't think the news tonight is going to reverberate in trump world, or is reverberating? that won't be the only finger-pointing going on, will it? >> yeah, i'm sure like anthony, i'm sure there will be a lot of people in the white house trying
to figure out who leaked this. if i remember correctly"the times" had four sources, and other news organizations have now confirmed this as well. look, scaramucci has had a long running feud with steve bannon. and steve a sort of easy scapegoat because he is outside of the white house. he obviously is unhappy with how he was treated there. but just to clear up what he said, there is no evidence, of course, that bannon did this. i think this is just scaramucci trying to point the finger at a sort of the current trump enemy. >> robby, not to give you short shrift, but sarah sanders has been standing at the podium denying this, also saying the president is a looking forward to speaking to the special counsel, and so on. but it seems some of the answer given over the past -- i guess over the past year really have been disingenuous to say the least. >> yeah, but the sky is blue. these guys have lied about
things every single day on his campaign, and now as president. that's not surprising. you know, what is also not surprising, frankly, is the double standard here. i think this is another example where donald trump, for whatever reason appears to get away with things that nobody else can. we obviously had the scandal about him paying a woman off. and we're looking at other elected officials. congressman pat meehan was removed from the ethics committee immediately when allegations came out and evidence came out against him. but donald trump, it just seems to bounce off him. and it's because -- it's ironic the sheer volume of scandal, the sheer variety of scandal means that nothing ever sticks. and i'm sure we're going to be talking about something outages he says at davos tomorrow. but mueller's investigation means this will culminate at some point. and i really think some republicans are going to regret how cozy they got with him and
how hard they defended him when there was no evidence with which to defend him. >> gentlemen, thank you so much. i appreciate your time. >> thanks, don. >> we've got much more to come on our breaking news that president trump ordered robert mueller fired last june, and his white house counsel threatened to quit rather than carry out that order. we'll be right back. new year, new phones for the family. join t-mobile, and when you buy one of the latest samsung galaxy phones get a samsung galaxy s8 free. yahoooo! ahoooo! plus, unlimited family plans come with netflix included. spectacular! so, you can watch all your netflix favorites on your new samsung phones. whoa! join the un-carrier and get a samsung galaxy s8 free. all on america's best unlimited network.
opportunity to go after steve bannon, no matter what the issue is. bannon is a convenient target. he made himself that. could bannon be one of the four people that perhaps talked to maggie? very much so, sure. >> does that really matter? >> no, of course it doesn't matter, because it's true. >> but i think it may matter in one respect. i sort of look at don mcgahn and wonder, you know, the story puts him in a very positive light. why now is the story coming out? we've learned recently in this week we've learned jeff sessions was interviewed by the special counsel's office. other intelligence leaders -- it's been reported recently that they too have been interviewed. there are other reports that show that this obstruction of justice element of the investigation has moved forward, is moving forward. and so i wonder if the president isn't maybe returning to this idea now as the investigation intensifies, returning to the idea of getting rid of mueller. and this isn't somebody leaking to stop that. >> oh my god, if he did, that really. >> you think people are concerned possibly that he might try to fire him from the white house?
>> leaks happen often for a reason. sometimes it's just interpersonal battles like he is suggesting. but sometimes there are bigger reasons. i just wonder about that. this story paints mcgahn in a very positive light, but it also makes it much more difficult for the president to make a move on mcgahn. >> mcgahn, bannon and priebus all share the same lawyer. i think mcgahn is like pinto from the movie -- remember the movie with belushi, "animal house." the angel and the devil. i think he was the angel in the voice of trump who might have had the impulse to say enough of this. >> what does that make trump? [ laughter ] but i think, look, his initial reaction is let's just get rid of this guy. but since then, since he was talked into not doing it, if that's what happened, this investigation has continued on for months and months and months.
and it will culminate in a few weeks if trump meets with the special prosecutor. so i don't think they're leaking this to fire him. i think that's well past that. >> that's coming out? >> i don't know why. i have no idea why it's been leaked now. >> let me just say, this whole conversation, and the conversation yesterday about the secret society and nunes memo, the nunes memo. all of it is part of an arc to try to discredit law enforcement, in this case the department of justice. and for those of us who worked in the department of justice, or at least the fbi's got 35,000 people who work there. if trump -- trump was so upset that he wanted to fire mueller, if that didn't happen, he is going to discredit. one way or another he is going to try to undermine and get rid of this investigation. and by doing so, undermining the rule of law. this is why republicans -- i know that he's got an 80% base. but the republicans in congress,
leaders in congress should step up and stay this is not who we are as a nation. put your country before your -- >> how many times, governor have, you said that and other people said that? i don't think it's going to happen. >> there are only so many institutions you undermine. really, how machiavellian can you be to put this, the ends justify the means? we don't care which institutions of this country we're going haul under, including the fbi, including the department of justice, including anything that gets in his way to be able to be clear of this investigation. >> this is the republicans' best vehicle. and the least they can say -- >> the best vehicle is what? >> to get whatever legislation or agenda -- >> oh, i see. . it's an ends justifies the means is what you're saying. >> yes. >> back to roy moore. let's put him in. >> that's the same thing. i asked the evangelicals. the ends justify the means. go on. >> that is horrifying. >> can we rewind the tape back to october before the election? harry reid was throwing firebombs at the fbi. harry reid was saying that the
institution is corrupt and that they might have broken federal law when it was against hillary clinton at that time. so now the tables are concerned. all of the sudden the dialogue is change. both parties have attacked the fbi. both parties have attacked. >> that may be the case. but what we see happening now from trump's loyalists in congress is an unprecedented in modern times attack by congress on our institutions, on our law enforcement. and i have to say there is a reason why this is happening. the republicans could have opposed trump. republican members of congress could have opposed trump in the primaries. many of them remain silent. he won 47% of the republican primary vote. he was weaker then than he is now. now he's got about 85% approval. if they didn't do it then, they're not going to do it now. now they are stuck. and they are the party of government. and they have no one to blame. and so they've got to come up with these conspiracy theories
that unfortunately are eroding public confidence. >> i think that's why most people will disagree with you. because where democrats may have been upset with comey during the investigation, during the election, they said comey did it wrong. they said they had respect for comey. they did not have an orchestrated attack on the institution of the fbi. this has been an orchestrated attack on the fbi and on law enforcement in general from republicans, including conspiracy theories. that didn't happen with democrats. >> i don't think so. >> and mueller and comey are both republicans. >> i don't think it's the top of the fbi is who they are going after. not that the men and women that do the everyday job. i don't think that's who they were attacking. i think they were attack -- >> so people who they're talking about in e-mails and what have you. >> well, but they were higher level. you're stalking about struck and that whole thing? >> 35,000. >> they were talking 35,000 fbi agents. they're attacking the top and the intent of those two.
>> they're attacking the institution. and the two people they're putting a broad brush against it. and now it's infecting what would be normal republicans. like ron johnson. i feel like he had a tin foil hat on yesterday as he was drooling at the thought of a secret society. it turns out he was embarrassed. >> hold your thought. we'll be right back. we'll continue this conversation. don't go anywhere. it's absolute confidence in 30,000 precision parts. or it isn't. it's inspected by mercedes-benz factory-trained technicians. or it isn't. it's backed by an unlimited mileage warranty, or it isn't. for those who never settle, it's either mercedes-benz certified pre-owned, or it isn't. the mercedes-benz certified pre-owned sales event. now through february 28th. only at your authorized mercedes-benz dealer.
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breitbart. that's become the new normal in the republican party. >> the crazy thing is that all day yesterday, fox news was all over this secret society thing. and other than one anchor today they didn't say one word. >> shepard smith. >> exactly. because they've been embarrassed. but who is the biggest proponent of these kind of conspiracy theories? it's like sean hannity, et cetera, who are out there taking pages from breitbart, from info wars, et cetera. that should be frightening to everybody. because you've got a president who had the whole conspiracy thing down pat with barack obama and born in kenya, you know, ted cruz's father. >> on the grassy knoll. >> and now it's infected the mainstream republican party. and that is such a shame. >> how does one have any credibility, especially when you mention that with any journalist when you had a grassy knoll conspiracy.
when you're the perpetrator of the president not being born, of a birther. how does one have any credibility when it comes to anything? >> i would say we're post facts. the game now is about -- >> i refuse to go along with this. >> we can't allow it. >> let me read your tweet you. you said, and you tweeted this a short while ago. you said for trump to have ordered mueller fired, even when the public backlash over comey's firing was still intense shows just how bent on impeding the russia investigation he was, and just how much he apparently has to hide. what do you think the president has to hide? >> well, i think that the president and his team at least encouraged, if not were more involved in russia's efforts to influence our election. we'll see what happens. i think he's probably got something to hide with regard to his business dealings with russian intelligence and russian mafia figures prior to the
election. and i think also he's got a lot to hide with obstruction of justice now. he's got plenty to hide. we'll see what happens with this investigation. but to think just a month after he fired comey, when there was still so much backlash, that he then ordered the firing of mueller. that tells you. that tells you quite a lot about what lengths he is willing to go to, even when there is plenty of public opposition. >> rob, quickly. >> but everyone has already hung the president. he is already guilty, right? we haven't seen one ounce -- >> no one has said guilty here. >> that's the implication here. it's obstruction of justice. [ overlapping dialog ] >> the implication -- >> tried to fire mueller. >> the implication -- >> fire comey. if he's got nothing to hide. >> he talked to his lawyer. >> he gave the order. >> it didn't happen. >> the reason it didn't happen is because -- >> the pr backlash. come on. >> i got run. i got to run. thank you all. >> nice try. >> fascinating conversation. i appreciate having you.
when we come back, president trump ordered the firing of robert mueller back in june, only backing off when the white house counsel threatened to resign instead of following the president's instructions. is this proof that the president is trying to obstruct justice, or our experts will weigh in, i should say. we'll be right back. not in this house. 'cause that's no average family. that's your family. which is why you didn't grab just any cheese. you picked up kraft mozzarella with a touch of philadelphia for lasanyeah! kraft. family greatly.
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explains himself under bipartisan questioning. although we should note he was not under oath. still, there's one potential witness we won't be hearing from. to this date jared kushner had not agreed to meet with the senate judiciary committee and the panel now admits it's given up trying to get him. let's get to our team of reporters. first we have breaking news isolate the justice department. they say they the found missing texts between two fbi officials. their disappearance has been labored a conspiracy by some republicans. joining us is pete williams in our washington newsroom. pete, are were they recovered? >> the inspector general says it was using a forensic technique. doesn't explain anything more than that. these are text messages that were sent between lisa page and peter strzok who were two people that had been working on the mueller investigation. and they were sent between december of last year and then
there's a lot of interest in here. perhaps don junior made a mistake that could eventually become an important part of the story line. it's impossible to know at this stage what sort of information we maybe able to glean from this that's different from where we already are. but, again, i think there was some pressure from the witnesses themselves for this to come out. >> let's go back to when we first learned about this meeting. it exploded in the press. it was one of those things that if you're asking if there was any attempts or work between the trump campaign and anyone in russia to try to influence the election, you could point out this meeting and say, look, don junior got on simplicity note from somebody in russia or someone purporting to have someone from russia with russian information, russian dirt on hillary clinton coming from a different foreign power, not an ally of the u.s. and don junior saying, i love it, especially for later in the summer. later in the summer we got all
those wikileaks and that's when those started to really hit and donald trump seized on them and rallied his base against hillary clinton. this was a big deal when we found out about it. to get these transcripts, betsy, what could we possibly learn that we don't already know from this meeting? >> it's possible we'll learn more details about the way the meeting got set up, about the way don junior was connected to some of these russian and russian-linked characters who initially pitched him on having the idea of the meeting. i certainly would expect we'll be able to learn how the meeting itself went and if there was any additional follow-up. that said, one important thing to keep in mind is that the investigation has been really unusual. while the senate intel and the house intel committees have stayed largely focused on the russia question, the senate judiciary committee actually has
taken a weirdly different lens, one staffer for chuck grassley who shares that committee told me several months ago their investigation was hardly even focused on russia at all and instead was looking at potential wrong doing by the fbi or the justice department as part of the committee's routine oversight. additionally, some republicans on the senate judiciary committee concluded based on their investigation that christopher steele who wrote that controversial -- they referred it for prosecution. one thing i'll be interested in seeing when this transcript comes out is to what extent are republicans and democrats remotely on the same page as far as what questions they really had for don junior. >> it'll be interesting to see what democrats ask him and what republicans ask him. what this the point of these hearings right now? we have robert mueller looking into this. the congressional hearings seem
to devolve in bickering. why do this? >> katy in theory they have different missions than robert mueller. this is not a criminal prosecution type of situation. instead these committees are attempting to look into what russian efforts to influence american elections. and i think one of the frustrations for some of the more middle of the road members of congress and members who've been russia hawks for many years is that has gotten very lost and i think it's been very hard to get members to focus. senator marco rubio, to his credit, was one of the only republicans who, during the 2016 campaign, went out and said, hey, stop crowing about the fact that hillary clinton is in the
cross hairs on this right now. remember that someday down the line it could be republicans. it's not as though russians are necessarily partisan. they have an agenda that's focused on what russia is trying to achieve and one day that be to our detriment. and we know his campaign at one point, one of his senate campaigns was the focus of some of these efforts. and so he sits on the senate intelligence committee. i think that's still what these committees are trying to accomplish. achieving that has become harder and harder. >> ladies, thank you very much. president trump says he's looking forward to talking with robert mueller under oath, but a new op-ed in the "new york times" is looking how statements the president and his campaign officials have made to the media were later proven false. ryan goodman joins us to help us see through the fog in the mueller/russia probe. we have a lot of strands that come out on a day-to-day basis,
incremental. it gets hard to remember what happened when and where the truth is. >> right. i think one of the difficulties is actually trying to break through fog and see not just the moments in which trump campaign officials lied to the media, which i think we well understand, but also when they lied to federal officials because that's when they were getting themselves into legal jeopardy. if you look at the count, it's actually six trump campaign officials, five are clearly senior officials who seem to have lied to either fbi or congress, not including paul manafort and rick gates. big question then is, why were they all lying? was it a joint agreement or at a understanding? >> you served on the special counsel to the general counsel at the department of defense when you have these conflicting
statements, what does that mean for the mueller probe? how does that play into their investigation? >> so one thing that's noticeable about the mueller probe is that all four of the either guilty pleas include false statements. you can lie to the media, and it's not a crime, but you lie to one of those federal officials or bodies, and it's a crime. the the big question is mueller is about to interview the president probably, obstruction of justice i think is on everybody's mind. >> yesterday when donald trump was talking to reporters, he was asked about obstruction and whether or not he's done so in regards to the russia investigation. he said no, no, no obstruction and he is fighting back. fighting back, what does that mean? >> it's difficult to know what it means. sounds like in a certain sense he is recklessly admitting to
some of the facts because he's saying what i did is fought back. some people would call that obstruction. he's addressing something i did, do some people are going to classify that as obstruction, they should. if i was his counsel that's the last thing i would want him to say. >> what has piqued your interest? >> not just focusing on the single players but i why did they all do it. if they did it, it's a big question because it means not just people who already lied to federal officials but anyone who encouraged them to do so which could lead all the way up to the president. that was the downfall for the nixon white house where in the white house nixon is encouraging associates to commit perjury. if there's anything like that going on within a senior part of the trump campaign, i think that would be a bombshell.
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starting to crumble. they seized on a text exchange between peter strzok and lisa page referring to a secret society. lawmakers had claimed it was proof off the law enforcement agency's anti-trump bias. now at least one of them admits it may have been just a joke. here's senator ron johnson talking with nbc news moments ago. >> after reading those transcripts of the text messages, do you think it was made as a joke? >> it's entirely possible. we'll see what the next text -- >> do you owe an apology, sir? >> republicans were also up in arms about the fbi failing to retain five months of additional text messages between the two officials. some insisted that too was a conspiracy to hide the former lovers' unflattering exchanges. now we learn that was only a technical glitch and the text messages have been recovered. enter devin nunes having a
claim. fisa helped expose conversations with the russia ambassador. releasing the memo would be reckless, he says. the top democrat on the house intel committee slammed nunes and his actions earlier. >> he is attempt to go tar the entire intelligence community, fbi bob mueller investigation in order to once again protect the president. it's a terrible disservice as well as a terrible distraction. >> joining me is michael caputo. good to see you. >> hey, katy, how are you doing? >> what do you think of this secret society that ron johnson raised only to later admit it was probably a joke? >> i don't know. i think in text messages between a mistress is and her boyfriend, what they're trying to hide from their spouses can go into all
kinds of hyperboly. what it is and which comment is a joke? i don't know. but i can tell you this. when i heard that these text messages were missing, i was very excited because it gave me an opportunity to tell investigators that all my texts and e-mails are available except for those that went out between june 16th, 2015 and january 20th, 2017, because my dog ate those. >> they found those text messages, so that's a bit of a moot issue? >> i found mine too. my dog threw them up, which is probably what happened at the fbi too. >> don't you feel like republicans in order to take apart the fbi right now are really grasping for straws? >> i don't know. i look at some of the texts between those two people. >> two people who are having an
affair talking to each other in private. i mean, no one's saying any fbi investigators are not allowed to have opinions about politics. their opinions just can't color what they do. if there's evidence the opinions color what they do, then that is a real problem. >> and that's the evidence we're looking for. >> robert mueller took them off the investigation, so they're not even there any longer. so are you saying -- as a donald trump supporter, are you saying that anybody who doesn't support the president or think negatively of him or might say something to somebody in a personal conversation that is not flattering of the president that they can't be fair? >> i wouldn't say that. i think people have a right to their own opinions in politics. but people at the head of these investigations, at the deputy level, they have to be chosen very carefully. as you know, as an attorney, you can donate in america to the campaign of a judge. so the legal profession doesn't have the concerns of hiring
someone who donated to a campaign of an opponent of the person you're investigating. but katy some of this stuff that's going on, it's really concerning to me. i'm trying to keep an open mind. i've known fbi agents and i've worked with them throughout my career. i'm concerned because it turns out it might have been redundant if donald trump turned russia. we're turning to russia ourselves. >> who are you calling the going kgb, michael? >> the people who deserve to be exposed. >> people in the fbi are actually part of the kgb? >> come on. i was being facetious, as you know. it's funny how the jokes told between these two lovers are hilarious you to at msnbc. >> but they were private messages to each other.
you are on national television and you are saying people in the fbi are act like the kgb. some republicans are loyal to donald trump, the president himself, and a lot of folks outside who are coming on tv to defend the president, instead of defending him on merits, you're saying the fbi is corrupt and the fbi is working in this conspiracy to take down the president. members of the fbi are acting more like the kgb. i mean, that is radical thing to say on national television? >> absolutely, it was a joke which i was hoping you laughed at like the fbi texts. at the same time i'm telling you you what's going on is very concerning. and i believe we need to investigate this completely and fully. i believe they should release the memo that was written by the majority at the house intelligence committee and see where those apples fall. we should investigate what's
going on. there should be a special counsel to look into them as well. the criticism of the special counsel you're hearing today, and the special counsel investigation of the bush white house, this is politics as your back, katy. and wringing your hands over this is a bit over the top. >> politics as usual. seems kind of sad. michael caputo, thank you. next, trump took his america first message overseas. how is it sitting with world leaders? we're at davos where he met with israel prime minister benjamin netanyahu. >> come say hello to our voters. >> you're cnn. >> i'm with msnbc now. thanks for watching. good to see you, sir. needles.
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which ultimately is very important. number one i don't like talking about because, frankly, nobody should be talking about it. it should be based on the strength of the country. we are doing so well. our country is becoming so economically again and strong in other ways too, by the way, that the dollar is going to get stronger and stronger. and ultimately i want to see a strong dollar. >> at this hour the president is at dinner with european business leaders. but earlier he met with british prime minister theresa may and benjamin netanyahu, touting his relationship with both leaders. but theti"thetime" magazine cov. ali, donald trump, his cabinet is there, so is a large portion of congressional leaders including house majority leader
kevin mccarthy. what's america getting out of this big footprint out in davos? >> reporter: two things. there's some confusion coming up. the president is saying he wants a strong dollar. steve mnuchin did say otherwise. the bottom line is he did say otherwise. the president's right. it's very nontraditional for treasury secretaries to even talk about the dollar. the dollar's gone down as a result of mnuchin's comments. but fundamentally, kevin mccarthy and the other congressional leaders, bob corker, they came early and they've been having a ton of meetings. i can't verify what they say is going on in those meetings, but as i suspected, the idea the president was going to harsh on world leaders was probably going to be softened a lot and it does seem in the meetings the president and rosary having with world and business leaders, may be a friendlier tone.
>> we are allies. a lot of american tax dollars go to defend on their missile defense. we should have a fair trade limit. and i think allies can look at that. i sat in a meeting today with all these foreign leaders and i heard prime minister of other countries stand up and say, you know what, as nato, we need to pay more of our fair share that, america's been carrying us for too long. that to me is a positive. some of that's breaking through. it's not like they're going to go alone. it's made a stronger bond with them now. >> reporter: i don't know. i wasn't in those meetings and i don't know everybody's saying that. but i think world leaders are being nicer and america is being more mellow. >> what do you think that is, ali? >> reporter: i think it's the way it goes around here. there's nothing but flags here. this is all about and unity
kumbaya. you can't come to somebody's party and kick the punchbowl over. i think president trump had to say eight talk tough and it's america first. when you get down to brass tacks, this is how you are. not as much tough talk as everybody is prepared for. >> i have richard hoss on my other monitor laughing at your kick the punchbowl comments. joining us is richard haass. i presume ali made you laugh there. you got a new article out in ti"time" entitled what the glob elite can learn from donald trump. you're also the author of a world in disarray. now in paper back. richard, tell me, what can the
world learn from donald trump? >> i think the most important thing is there are a lot of people who are insecure. they don't see globalization as good and see it as threatening. their jobs are disappearing and they fear that they will. so there's real concern about the president and the future. the davos crowd is 1% of the 1% in many cases, and i think what donald trump can bring to them is the sense that, hey, for a lot of people whether it's right or wrong, they feel that the world is not working for them. >> what about the president himself? what can he take away from a meeting like this? he had been influenced by these anti-globalists in his administration, steve bannon now is gone, though. probably horrified at donald trump going to davos. in your article you write trump needs to understand globalization is many dimensions, not a choice, but a reality. the u.s. can at a significant cost, close its borders to
people and trade, but it cannot wall off the country from computer viruses or greenhouse gases and the effects of climate change. >> i think two things. i'm hoping he hears positive things about immigration and trade. mr. trump has repeatedly scapegoated both of them, immigration and trade for job loss and other problems in the country. for the most part it's not true. the real threat is new technologies, artificial intelligence, robotics and the rest. maybe he will understand that he needs to focus on that. that's the real train coming down the track against the united states worker and the economy. and i think secondly, we can't be a giant gated community. we live in this world, like it or not, and we're going to have affected by terrorists or north korean missiles or climate change. united states can't solve these problems unilaterally. it's got to partner with others.
that's beginning of a serious conversation. >> he said he would be open to potentially joining tpp under better conditions, under better negotiation conditions for the u.s. what do you think? is it a good idea for the u.s. to join tpp or is it a better idea for the u.s. to try to work around it? >> it's not even a close one. of course it's better for us to join it. we want to race to the top, not a race to the bottom in terms of trade. we don't want to leave asia for china to pick on smaller, weaker neighbors. i'm not going to sit here and say tpp is perfect, but it does represent an improvement. if mr. trump would say i'll join if we address other issues. china is not a member of it. but pressure to transfer technology or other such issues or government subsidies, i don't think we should be against if you would tpp 2.0. but we have to get inside the
tent. and the idea of staying outside tpp or leaving a number of tnaf steps. >> news out of davos was the president talking about the palestinians saying they don't sit down and try to negotiate peace, the u.s. was going to cut funding. >> again, bad idea. we didn't help the prospects of negotiating by the unilateral declaration of jestrusalem as t capital. we ought to have given something for the palestinians if we were going to do it. so right now we have to really approve to the palestinians that we're prepared to be fair minded and a legitimate negotiator. and i think the pressure is as much on us to cut off aid, that has a humanitarian penalty. if we cut off aid, there will be more palestinian moderates. we have to start playing the
which he is game several moves ahead. >> richard haass, a man who never kicked over a punchbowl at a party. one day he's in, and one day he's out. where does the president stand right now on daca, for instance? we're live on capitol hill where talks are toufrts reach a deal to protect d.r.e.a.m.ers. if yor crohn's symptoms are holding you back, and your current treatment hasn't worked well enough, it may be time for a change.
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the republicans than for the democrats. >> do you want citizenship for d.r.e.a.m.ers? >> we're going to morph into it. it's going to happen. >> what does that mean, morph into it? >> over a period of 10 to 12 years. somebody does a great job, they've worked hard, it gives incentive to do a great job. >> yesterday the commander in chief did about 180 on the future of the d.r.e.a.m.ers. days after rejecting a bipartisan plan, he said he would be open for a path to citizenship for them. if white house is expected to roll out a new immigration framework on monday. a group of bipartisan lawmakers met on the hill today. republican senator marco rubio updated reporters on their efforts to reach a bipartisan deal on immigration reform. >> the starting point that deals with daca and the border, and then we're going to have a debate about if you add citizenship, what do you need to put with that. if you want to lower the backlog on immigration, what do you add
to that. there's a strong consensus to ensure a legal status for people on daca now and scour our border and enforce immigration laws. >> joining us is leigh ann caldwell. you're wearing the same glasses as casey today. let's get to the news. this bipartisan meeting, who was in it and what else do we know about it? >> katy, there was about two dozen members today at the meeting. what they talked about was what they could potentially come to an agreement on as far as immigration is concerned. these aren't necessarily the people who are going to be leading the talks coming up with what a bill will definitely look like, but these are the people who are critical to get anything through the senate. this is a massive group of people. a quarter of the senate, sometimes even more who shows up to these meetings, if the gnat
really wants to pass a daca bill with the support of 70 members, they're going to need the consensus of a lot of people. senator marco rubio came out of that meeting as others did, and they said the path forward might be something really narrow to start with. and then let the senate work its will. and then it can go from there. they say it's a lot easier to add to a bill through amendments rather than put forward a big, massive bill and then try to strip it down. there's still a lot of talks right now. people are waiting to see what president donald trump says in his proposal, which is supposed to come out monday. and until then, these talks are going to continue. but what donald trump says could change a lot, as we know up here. >> no doubt about that. i can't help but ask this question. the senate might come up with a bipartisan solution, but what does that mean if the house won't even take up a debate on
the floor? >> the house is the big question mark here. the house is where legislation goes to die. it's happened multiple times before. as the house moves closer to the midterms, it's going to be even more difficult for house speaker paul ryan to bring up any immigration legislation. i know kevin mccarthy was on our air earlier and he refused to say if the speaker would bring up legislation without a majority of republicans, if he could only get a majority of democrats. that's not something that republicans want. that's probably not something that the president is going to want. so the house is definitely the factor here. i am pretty confident that the senate will be able to pass something. what it's going to look like, i don't know. but when it goes to the house, it's just all bets are off, katy. >> john kelly didn't go to davos in order to work on immigration.
his meetings with lawmakers, what do we know about them? >> we don't know a lot yet. we do know he's been meeting with lawmakers for the past week and a half. he met with a congressional hispanic caucus and is part of this leadership meetings. he's making the rounds on capitol hill. he knows he's become one of the key players in the administration on this issue. he's the former department of homeland security secretary. so he knows this issue, but he's also conservative on this issue. so there's a lot of republicans who are skeptical -- democrats who are skeptical of his role here, katy. >> leigh ann caldwell, thank you very much. >> thank you. donald trump says he'll talk to robert mueller under oath, so when will the special counsel sit down with the commander in chief? the former chief of staff to james comey, chuck rosenberg joins me next. just like some people like pre-shaken sodas. having their seat kicked on an airplane. being rammed by a shopping cart.
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>> we'll see what happens. certainly i'll see what happens. when they have no collusion and nobody's found any collusion at any level, it seems unlikely you would have an interview. >> are you going to talk to mueller? >> i'm forward to it actually. >> to reach a higher standard, you would do it under oath? >> oh, i would do it under oath, absolutely. >> the president added yesterday that the special counsel interview could take place in the next two to three weeks. as quickly as the president made those comments, white house counsel to donald trump, ty cobb, walked them back, at least a bit. he told nbc news the president was speaking to reporters hurriedly before leaving for davos. in those remarks the president expressed his complete cooperation with mueller. the terms are still being negotiated by mr. trump's personal lawyers. chuck rosenberg served as the chief of staff to fbi director james comey and is an msnbc contributor. chuck, thank you very much for being here. >> pleasure. >> the president yesterday when he was talking about no obstruction, he said something
very specific and i want to play that sound bite and get your reaction on the other side. >> everybody says no collusion. there's no collusion. now they're saying, oh, well, did he fight back, fight back? >> fight back? >> you fight back. oh, it's obstruction. >> first of all, everybody is not saying no collusion. most lawmakers are saying they're still looking to see if there was any collusion. that's certainly what robert mueller is looking into. secondly, donald trump saying fighting back, fighting back was obstruction. i'm still trying to figure out what exactly he means by that. is it asking mccabe who he voted for? is it firing james comey? >> well, it seems rhetorical, katy. look, you're welcome to make legal arguments, you're welcome to make factual arguments, but obstruction of justice is quite different. it's neither of those things. it's attempting to impede and obstruct an investigation. and so if you fired comey, for instance, because of the, quote
unquote, russia thing, that could be obstruction of justice. >> donald trump has done a number of depositions in his life. we all know this. he's been in a lot of lawsuits. there was one that happened during the campaign where an attorney was talking to him about the trump university lawsuit and they pressed him on this. they said a claim he made to me actually, i was a reporter a month earlier, that he had the world's greatest memory. trump responded i had a good memo memory. the reporter responds with the best memory in the world and he said it to me. trump answered i don't remember saying that. as good as my memory is, i don't remember that but i have a good memory. in that deposition he said i don't remember 35 times during the testimony. does that sort of thing fly with the special counsel? >> well, look, there are innocent times when you don't remember something. it happens to all of us. but the special counsel is going to have lots and lots of stuff
with him. he's going to have documents, he's going to have e-mails, he's going to have the testimony of other people. and so i don't remember might work a couple of times. there's always times we don't remember stuff, katy. but it's not going to work over and over again. at a certain point if all you say is i don't remember, it looks like you're trying to hide something. >> what's the difference between a deposition in a civil trial and facing robert mueller? >> well, great question. so important distinction. depositions are for civil matters, right. you run over my foot with your car in a parking lot and i sue you and we depose a whole bunch of people. there are no depositions by and large in criminal cases. these are interviews. it's either done in a conference room by mueller and his agents and prosecutors, or it will be done in a grand jury under oath in front of members of the grand jury. so if it's the latter, if it's in a grand jury, there's no lawyer there to help mr. trump.
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win, and we will not live in fear. >> one more thing before we go. arizona mom jovanna was shot in the head during the shooting on the vegas strip that killed 58 people in october. today after months of therapy and rehab, she's finally going home. but also today just a few miles from the shooting that forced her to relearn how to walk, talk and eat on her own again, the nra is holding day three of the world's largest firearms industry expo. there has been virtually no action on capitol hill regarding gun control despite the 1,500 mass shootings we've seen since the sandy hook massacre in 2012. this week we saw the nation's 11th high school shooting this year, the second just this week. remember, it's only january. monday a 15-year-old girl was shot and killed in texas. her teenage classmate is accused of the crime. tuesday, it happened again at a
high school in kentucky. two 15-year-olds murdered, 18 others hurt. this "l.a. times" headline sums it up. another school shooting, ho-hum says america. what is going on here? is this okay now? are we as americans now okay with kids killing kids? is it even a question that's worth asking anymore? after all, it seems like we've gotten our answer. we've gotten it 1,500 times since sandy hook. that will wrap things up for me this hour. chris jansing picks it up right now. chris. >> i've been covering them since columbine, so let's even back it up to there, shall we? kids killing kids, thank you so much. we are following a very busy day of news from the economic forum in davos, switzerland, as well as washington where the halls of congress are buzzing with the talk of robert mueller's russia investigation as well as possible progress toward an immigration deal.
5:00 a.m. here on the u.s. east coast. it is the memo in a everyothat talking about. and does it discredit the russia investigation? congressional supporters of the u.s. president are being accused of trying to do just that. they allege that the fbi improperly targeted for surveillance a former trump campaign adviser. >> the contents of the controversial memo are highly disputed. critics say it only on shows part of the picture. and misrepresents the testimony of former fbi deputy director andrew mccabe. here is more now from jim sciutto in washington. >> i think it is terrible. >> reporter: the president and republicans leveling a new broad side at the fbi. with a four page memo alleging the bureau abused its surveillance authority in seeking a warrant to monitor carter page during the 2016
election. >> it's been a tough fight. >> reporter: the disputed memo authorized by the staff of devin nunes claims mccabe says the page warrant would not have been sought without a dossier on trump's possible connections to russia. but three members dispute that account telling that nunes mischaracterizes what mccabe says. the memo reveals that the warrant to monitor page was approved and renewed by the court three separate times. the former republican chair of the intel committee mike rogers says that would not happen without other u.s. intelligence to back up the application. >> if this is all they used, the judge ought to get in trouble too. i think there is a lot more information that supplanted the information they provided. in addition, they went through separate renewals and in each
you have to actually reconfirm probable cause. meaning you had to get something off of that wire. >> reporter: the memo also alleges that the fbi and justice department did not inform the fisa court that former british intelligence agent christopher steele who compiled the dossier was funded by the democratic party. adam schiff said that it is, quote, not accurate that the secret court waunss unaware of steele's political motivations, he says that the court knew of a likely political motivation behind steele. >> what it ends up delivering is criticism of a single fisa application and its renewals that cherry picks information that doesn't tell the reader the whole of the application and as the doj and fbi have said deeply misleading. >> reporter: while the memo attempts to portray the fbi as relying on outside information to launch the russia investigation, it notes that a counter intelligence investigation was actually opened months before the page
application based on a stream of intelligence separate from the dossi dossier. this includes information from the australian government can which learned that another trump campaign adviser, george papadopoulous, had been offered damaging information about hillary clinton from an individual with ties to the russian government. >> with these accusations swirling, christopher wray addressed fbi employees today via video, this reported by shall i mondimon prokupecz, and times are tough but went on to give a bucking up speech to the rank and file saying that the american people read the news papers and watch tv, but your work is all that matters. actions speak louder than words. jim sciutto, cnn, washington. >> so again, the main allegation in the memo, that the justice department misused the fisa court to target former trump adviser carter page. >> but to explain exactly what fisa is, what that court is and
how carter page fits in, tom foreman breaks it down. >> reporter: in the long investigation into possible russia meddling, carter page has become a flash point. not because this one time adviser to donald trump has had a long relationship with russia or because he traveled there during the campaign, although that is true, but instead because some republicans believe the justice department improperly used a fisa court to wiretap carter page. now, fisa stands for the foreign intelligence surveillance act. and this is what is used when investigators want to spy on essentially somebody who is actually on u.s. soil. they go to the fisa court, they present information explaining why they believe this person is a suspected agent of a foreign government, and the fisa court would then give them permission if it is all approved properly to then go forward. the fisa court did that, not
only that, but they approved an extension three different times and analysts say is that probably because there was something coming out of this or most likely something coming out of this that gave them reason to keep approving this. about you some republicans are saying the real problem is that there was secret political hand at work that the court was not told about. that the original information came from an investigation that was partially funded by democrats out there and those democrats were feeding it into the justice department. fisa court didn't know about it. if that is the case, why didn't the justice department say maybe we have other things that we can tell you about? the reason that would not happen according to many intelligence analysts is that there may indeed be other sources, there may be other avenues out there that they do not want to make public because that could somehow imperil the further investigation of all of this.
whether or not that is true, we don't know. the very secretive nature of the fisa court is the reason that it may be hard for the justice department to come forward and say here is what is happening and why they think the memo is wrong. >> tom foreman, thanks for the explanation. and now more about the man behind the memo, the chair man the house intelligence committee republican devin nunes. he's been kricriticized and som say hurting the investigation. >> the first interview he gave with us to fox news and he slammed the democrats. >> these are not honest actors. they know they are not being honest. and i get tired of playing whac-a-mole every day with the democrats on this committee who never wanted to start this investigation in the first place. so there is clear evidence collusion, but it just happens to be with hillary clinton and
their commissionittee that they to investigate. >> the top democrat says the memo is not meant to help the investigation but hurt it. adam schiff calls the memo deeply misleading. >> what it ends up delivering is criticism of a single fisa application involving carter page and its renewals that cherry picks information that doesn't tell the reader the whole of the application and as the doj and fbi have said is deeply misleading and fact ally in-accurate. you can cherry pick any fisa court application and do the same thing. >> a lot to digest mere. let's bring in a teacher of international relations in london. we have memogate to throw at you. so depending on who you listen to, it is either deeply misleading or revealing.
where do you fall? >> i think it is another step in what has been an ongoing effort to undermine the legitimacy and credibility of this investigation which remember is supposed to be looking into russia's interference in the u.s. presidential election, something that is important to everybo everybody. and we've seen a number of efforts to really get people thinking about something very different. in this case it is an allegation that this was politically motivated and inspired investigation that lacks all credibility. unfortunately, it is very destructive and i think if you listen to what senator mccain said after the memo was released, this is an attack on the legitimacy of the fbi, an unfair attack on the justice department and that it is taking us away from this most important
gives those that want to discredit the investigation more time to try and do that and we'll wait and see where this memo leads it. thank you so much for your thoughts, leslie. stocks chanced on wall street friday and investors are probably glad turbulent week is over. we'll look at the huge drop and what is ahead. plus this -- as far as the sentencing, to grant me five minutes in a locked room with this demon. >> this father filled with rage after he hears details of sexual abuse of his daughters. the judge's message to the furious parents as cnn continues. david. what's going on? oh hey! ♪ that's it? yeah. ♪ everybody two seconds! ♪ "dear sebastian, after careful consideration of your application, it is
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move could encourage other north koreans to defect, one analyst says the meeting could also raise the question of whether the trump administration is starting to push for regime change in pyongyang. white house officials won't say what is behind friday's meeting. the president was cagy when asked if he wanted to send a message to the kim regime with this meeting. >> i don't think so. these are just great people that have suffered incredibly. >> reporter: but this human rights activist says even if regime change isn't on the table, the meeting still serves to good expose the dictator's r. >> it clearly puts more pressure on chism jokim jong-un. it is clear that they are trying to white wash their record. >> reporter: this woman on snuck across the borden when she was 17. she asked president trump to stop repatriating defectors and told a harrowing story of what
happened to her. >> i escaped from an arranged marriage when i was 19. i escaped a brothel and then i was arrested by the chinese authorities policemen and i was narrowly avoided being repay y e patrioted to north korea. >> reporter: the president showed empathy but didn't say whether he would pressure the chinese or not. she says the lives of many north korean defect toors depend on u pressure. >> most are carrying poison with them in case they are caught in time. >> reporter: as compelling as the meeting was, it might have made south korean officials a bit nervous because it is just one week before the winter olympics are set to begin. the south koreans worked hard to get north korean athletes to participate in the games. and could be concerned that trump's meeting with the defectors might upset that arrangement. we got no response there south korean officials here in washington to the trump meeting,
but south korean president moon jae-in did speak to president trump on the phone shortly before the meeting took place. brian todd, cnn, washington. well, disgraced former usa gymnastics physician larry nassar faces several life sentences for sexually abusing hundreds. and dozens more are coming forward to share their raw and painful stories. >> and for the father of three girls, the weight of their words in court on friday was too much to bear. kale l caylee har tongue describes what happened. and we warn you, this contains graphic testimony. >> reporter: this father's anger -- >> as part of this sentencing, to grant me five minutes in a locked room with thisaimed scar man. >> would you give me one minute?
>> reporter: in this angle you can see the court bailiff quickly get larry nassar out of the room. more than 200 survivors in two different courtrooms over the past two weeks have provided victim impact statements in the case against nassar. engaging and disgusting the country. on friday, randall listened to two of his daughters publicly share details of their abuse. >> he said this meant because i had back pain, he would need to put the needles on my vagina. with no coverage, no gloves, underwear and pants down to my thighs, my entire have a guy that was completely exposed. when i was there just a kid, lays on a table at msu and you put your ungloved hands all over my rear and slipped your thumb into the most private area of my body. to my parents, thank you for all your love and support through all of this.
you have done everything that a parent could ever do. >> i feel that my entire family has gone through hell and back because of what larry nassar did to both my sisters and i years ago. my parents are maeheartbroken a so filled with regret. the guilt they have will never go away. >> it prompted praise on twitter calling him a hero, parents saying they would have done the same thing. >> you have to understand the compassion and understanding too from the judge who over saul his contempt rating a couple hours later. >> i cannot tolerate or condom vigilanteism, but as for the direct contempt of court, there is no way that this court is going to issue any type of punishment given the circumstances of this case. and i do -- my heart does go out to you and your family because of what you've gone through. >> i appreciate that.
and i apologize to you and the courtroom. i'm embarrassed. i'm not here to upstage my daughters. i'm here to help them deal. >> reporter: in a family press conference later in the day, an apologetic hargreaves tried to explain his reaction, saying it was the first time he heard many details of nassar's assaults on his details. >> what i had to hear in those statements and i have to look over at larry nassar shaking his head, that is when i lost control. >> reporter: nassar, who was sentenced up to 175 years in prison for similar charges in another michigan courtroom last week is expected to be sentenced in in this hearing early next week. in atlanta, caylkaylee hartung,. 16 new flu related deaths among u.s. children were reported this week and that brings the total number of pediatric flu related deaths to 53 since october.
>> and according to a government report, hospitalizations for the flu also hit the highest levels seen since officials started recording this data in 2010. flu vaccines are reported in short supply, but they are still available. pediatric flu cases are closely, but deaths for other age groups are difficult to estimate. president trump has arrived in florida but leaves behind a washington in turmoil. we'll discuss the controversial memo. and plus the u.s. secretary of state mending fences in latin america and offering vision when it comes to russia meddling. we're live from atlanta. stay with us this valentine's day i wanted to turn everything i love about you into one thing you'll love forever. the jared valentine's day diamond event. washington in turmoil.
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from coast to coast to our viewers around the world, you're watching "cnn newsroom." i'm george howell. >> i'm natalie allen. congressional backers of the u.s. president are alleging the fbi abused its surveillance powers against one of mr. trump's former soerkd associate. the charge is contained in a congressional memo released friday. democrats dispute the claims and say they will push to release their own report next week. >> word on wall street, the dow fell 665 points on friday. the steepest point decline since the 2008 financial crisis. though a strong jobs report is fueling fears of inflation. analysts say the political turmoil in washington is only adding to the uncertainty. the man who are targeted muslims last year in london has
been sentenced to life in prison. darren osbourne plowed his car into a crowd on june 19th, killing one person and injuring 12 others. the search continues for dozens of migrants who may have drowned. the vessel was carrying more than 90 when it capsized on thursday. so far only three survivors have been found. now more on that controversial pmemo released friday. it is the talk of washington because of what it might mean for the trump presidency. at its core, the memo alleges the fbi abused its surveillance powers in targeting a former aide of the trump campaign. >> democrats and other critics say the document is not an accurate representation of the facts. james comey called it dishonest and misleading. jeff zeleny explains why some believe it is mepant on to
undermine the mueller investigation. >> reporter: now there is a fight brewing between the u.s., the justice department and the fbi. president trump declined to say if he had confidence in the deputy attorney general rod rosenstein who oversees the russia investigation. now none of this changes special counsel robert mueller's investigation. this is still going along full speed. one of the next things to find out is if the president will set down for an interview with him. but the release of this memo at least in the eyes of the white house and the president, they believe it helps discredit the russia investigation. now, many republicans across washington said that was not the point of it, they said that is not the case. it is separate from that. the reality here that was the president goes into the weekend where he will be spending it in mar-a-lago, will he make a decision to have a change either at the justice department with rod rosenstein or will he fire bob mueller. those are still two possible things that could happen. most advisers here at the white house say the president knows that would be explosive. and that would continue and draw
out the investigation. but the mindset of the president on this is unclear. again, he declined to say if he has confidence in the deputy attorney general here and his own fbi director said he had grave concerns about the memo. the memo was released anyway. as this moves forward here going into the coming weeks, the russia investigation still going full blast, the question is now if the white house can move beyond it and get to the point of legislating so much work here to be done. republicans believe this has overtaken their agenda, they simply want to get back to legislating. jeff zeleny, cnn, the white house. other news involving the trump administration, u.s. secretary of state rex tillerson is in argentina, the latest stop in what could be called a fence mending tour of latin america. he will also advivisit peru, colombia and jamaica. >> and among the topics discussed friday, trade, drugs and even russian interference in
elections. on that, secretary tillerson had some sage advice. listen. >> you asked about russian interference in mexican elections. all i can say to you is we know that russia has fingerprints in a number of elections around the world. we hear this from our european counterparts as well. my advice would be to mexico would be pay attention. >> the pentagon under the old nuclear arms policy on friday puts simply the united states wants more nuclear weapons, not fewer. >> defense secretary james mattis says it is looking reality in the eye. it is also reversing course after years of trying to reduce the united states nuclear arsenal. >> and it comes as north korea gets closer to becoming a nuclear danger, but an old foe is still front and center as barbara starr reports for us. >> reporter: while president trump navigates the political minefield of the russia investigation -- >> there has been no collusion.
there has been no crime. >> reporter: -- pentagon and state department unveiled the toughest line yet against vladimir putin's military in a report on nuclear threats and the trump administration's solutions. >> russia has increased its reliance on nuclear weapons and its capabilities and it is building a large and diverse nuclear arsenal. >> reporter: the pentagon detailing 2,000 nuclear capable weapons that could hit europe. and for the first time, confirming russia is developing an underwater drone that can potentially travel thousands of miles and strike the u.s. coastline. russia just one headache for defense secretary james mattis as he begins the second year on the job. the u.s. nuclear determent also aimed at north korea which the report says may now only be months away from the capability to strike the u.s. with
nuclear-armed missiles. >> if north korea would hypothetically launch a ballistic missile tipped with a nuclear weapon at the united states that we intercepted, it is not the sort of thing that we would say, oh, well, that is the end of the story. >> reporter: because of current tensions, the pentagon may delay a routine test of a u.s. intercontinental ballistic missile until after the olympics cnn has learned. along with the joints chiefs job number one now for mattis is to convince president trump to not conduct a limited strike against north korea hoping sanctions work before a missile is fielded. job number two, mattis still has to have credible military options to back up the diplomatic effort. >> he has to present it in a way that that leads up, that manages his boss so that his boss who has never seen combat unlike general dunford and secretary
matt i mattis, he has not experienced that kind of chaos. he has to understand the consequences of making a decision on the use of military force. >> reporter: critics say all of this lower the threshold for president trump to decide to use nuclear weapons. but advocates say in today's world, this strong deterrence is necessary against america's adversaries. barbara starr, cnn, the pentagon. cape town south africa is drought ridden and it is running out of water. we'll you tell you how residents are dealing with an approaching disaster. and also the latest on tv stations taken off the air in ken i can't. wh kenya. what is the government is doing about a court order to bring them back. who wants customizabe options chains? what is the government is doing about a court order to bring them back. kenya. what is the government is doing about a court order to bring them back. f the lowest ons fe are you raising your hand? good then it's time for power e*trade
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we are hahave received dram video to show you. you see cars and homes being washed away, this as raging floodwaters push through in northwestern argentina. >> reports say 10,000 were forced to evacuate their homes when a river burst its banks. and as you can see, some had to be pulled from the rushing water. and the water crisis in cape town is already a crisis fair to say, but its 4 million residents are facings possibility of a full blown catastrophe temperature in a little more than two months, the city could run out of water. people there waiting in long lines, stockpiling water for the so-called day zero. some are even building their own rationing systems for their homes. >> the city has restricted residents to just over 13 gallonsliters of water a
day from municipal sources and the crisis is spreading. the industrial area could also face shortages because of low levels in reservoirs. >> let's bring in derrick van damme to tell us more about this. you have friends and family that are there. this is a very big deal not only for cape town, but around the world to see what is happening here. what exactly is day zero, what does it looks like? >> it is an actual date that the city of cape town has designated as the day that they will turn off the taps. that day is april 16th. so people in cape town will walk to their faucet, walk to their taps just like we do every day, take it for granted and there will literally be no water coming out of those taps and faucets. this is a day like no other. and we're going to see unchartered territory, people walking into situations that we haven't experienced before because this is the first major metropolitan to have the
potential to run out of water because of drought in modern times. >> i was going to say -- excuse me, i've lost my voice. i've anchored for many years and i don't remember covering a story like this with this amount of people involved. >> there are other cities that are water stressed. sao paulo, melbourne, places like mexico city. but none of them have been forced to shut off their taps in a last ditch effort to reserve the last bits of that finite resource being water that is so crucial to humanity. so really lots to talk about. this story is wide ranging. so many angles. how do you control a population of 4 million people when you have only 200 allocation points to distribute 25 liters of water to that 4 million people. so you do the math, that is 20,000 people per allocation point. that just provides logistic issues all on its own.
71 days, 11 hour, 16 minutes, 26 seconds is how long until day zero occurs april 16th in cape town south africa. these are the latest images from nasa, they did a study and they show that the major reservoirs just outside of the city of cape town, the six big reservoirs that feed cape town its water source, and i want you to see the gradual progression. 2014 to 2016 to just last week, look at the depletion in the water especially across the tier. that particular dam here serves about 40% of their drinking water and it has been deplete, standing at only 13%. this area is just outside of cape town, beautiful part of south africa, this is the wine estate. everybody knows about this. the water system here has beeae
severely depleted. look at that bathtub ring indicating where the water levels used to be. how did we get to this point? annual average rainfall here is just over 515 millimeters of rain, roughly 20 inches of rainfall. last year, their driest year on record, only 157 millimeters, that is 6 inches of rain in the entire year. level 6-b restrictions from the city of cape town, that is 50 liters per day, average consumption by you and me being an american, 375 milliliters or 20 gallons of water per day. it is incredible to see how much water that we use and take for granted and how they will have to give up major luxuries that we enjoy every single day just from turning on a tap to brushing our teeth to taking showers. they are restricting that and will be nonexistent after april 16. >> it's hard to fathom those of us that are fortunate to turn on the tap and get water. >> puts it in perspective.
>> this could be a new reality, certainly something people are dealing with in cape town, but something that people around the world need to be aware of. >> without a doubt. >> thanks. all right. now to kenya, that government appears to be defying a court order to let three tv channels back on the air. at least three channels were ordered shut off on tuesday. the move came over coverage of the symbolic swearing in of an opposition leader. the court ordered the government to restore all transmissions thursday, a hear going challenging that decision to shut them down is set for later this month. let's go live to nairobi. good to have you with us. what is next for these tv channels beyond the court order, do they have any recourse? >> reporter: well, not really. the recourse that they have is that the courts as you say, they have ordered these stations to be reopened as way back as two days ago, they did this.
and the private petition that went to the courts to try to get the television stations back on was telling us that he went to the kenya communications authority, tried to hand over the court's orders and they simply told him to go away and never to set his foot there again about th again. but he has managed to serve the interior minister and the minister of information and attorney general and the hearing as you say will be somewhere around february 14th. but the criticism has been completely overwhelming of the government's moves. just now i'm reading a letter from the committee to protect journalists calling the kenyan government's refusal to an bid by the court order as something akin to full-on censorship. and of course even within kenya itself, people are a little bit bitmuse ebi bitbe be mused by the government's reaction. and this is an unprecedented
move to shut down four tv stapgstapgs stations like this and then be told to switch them back on and four days later they are still not back on. >> and i wanted to ask you a bit more about that, the general response. what are people saying about the fact this happened? >> reporter: they are usually easy going folk. and we talked to people on the streets and from very young women who say that their routine and to people being cross, why do they have in this day and age in an independent brightly developing and very prominent part of east africa, why do they have to turn to the internet and of course stations like cnn to get news of their own political life. these are questions that the
government still has to answer and it will remain to see of course whether or not these stations will be back on air. >> farai, thank you so much. we'll keep up with the story. thank you. we'll pause and talk some olympics when we come back. because they are almost here. we'll have a live report from south korea. plus the u.s. pro football championship, it will be played sunday. the super it aptly named the su bowl? we'll explain. oh, sorry i'm late, sir. i had a doctor's appointment. when you said you were at the doctor, but your shirt says you were at a steakhouse... that's when you know it's half-washed. now from downy fabric conditioner comes downy odor
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breakthrough since the new year. north korea actually sending athletes here, sending hundreds of others in what they are calling cultural demonstrations, all of it good news for south korea and what they hope will be the biggest and best winter olympics ever. i can tell you i was out there today, there is still a lot of finishing touches to be put on some of the events, but it has to be said korea has been a bit luke warm, but now it seems that ticket sales are picking up and people are embracing what they know will be the olympic spirit. what has been so interesting is to see the political effects. at one point the united states being skeptical about how the games would come off. now donald trump saying yesterday that he thinks something good will come of it. having said that, natalie, you and i both know for these athletes that train so long and hard for these games, they just want the politics out of it. and as understand, they want to get to some sports and hopefully when the opening ceremonies begin we can put some of the polt tick politics behind them and concentrate on good
performances. >> i'm ready for it. i think the world needs a little bit of olympic spirit. i want to talk to you about russia's participation. is there still some back and forth on that? >> reporter: gosh, is there ever. i mean, we just had in the last hour the ioc had a press conference and again you heard earlier in the week just to update you that some russian athletes had appealed their lifetime ban. 28 of those, their appeal succeeded. they now are waiting to see whether now the ioc gives them permission to participate in the olympics. think about it, these are top athletes who now are in limbo with the olympics just six days away. i want you to listen to the ioc spokesperson mark adams to hear what he had to say about their participation. >> will it be a success? i think time will judge. but i think we can be at least be pleased that we have tried rather than going for blanket ban or letting everyone in, we've tried to actually find out
on an individual basis for individual young athletes, many of whom have never competed in big games before, to try to let them have their olympic dream which would be denied if a blanket ban was applied. >> reporter: and natalie, mark adams there is really addressing some criticism of the ioc saying you have been too easy on russia here. having said that, still a few athletes in limbo and they may know perhaps 24 hours before these olympics start whether or not they can compete. >> okay. paula newton, we appreciate it. thanks. before we get to the olympics, we have the biggest annual sporting spectacle in the united states one day away. >> a lot of people will be watching super bowl lii. the u.s. pro football championship set to be played sunday pitting the eagles against the patriots. >> everything about it is enormous. according to forbes, american consumers spent an average $14
billion on super bowl day in 2017. that is the same amount spent on halloween and st. patrick's day did you know combined. >> a lot of money. and a lot of people viewing it. >> thanks for watching "cnn newsroom." i'm sure we have as many viewers as the super bowl. >> i'm george howell. >> and i'm natalie allen. >> "new day" is next in the united states. for viewers around the world, amanpour is ahead. thanks for watching. ork. unconventional, unexpected nudes. liquid matte formula. up to 16 hour wear. go un-nude with attitude. maybelline's matte ink un-nude. only from maybelline new york. what's going on? oh hey!ink un-nude. ♪ that's it? yeah. ♪ everybody two seconds! ♪ "dear sebastian, after careful consideration of your application, it is with great pleasure that we offer our congratulations
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