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States, about launching new missiles. a lot of times they dont do anything. sometimes they explode before they go anywhere. this, this has been a lot more successful and in some ways they are censoring the america public in the way nobody else can. >> the thought that north korea is turning these cyberwarriors, it doesnt take much money to train people inside north korea, right? >> right. they do what they are told if kim jong-un says that it happens. thats one reasons why the investigators that...

Being made, not by sony, but by another production company about north korea. this was a serious documentary starring steve carell. theyve already ditched the project. >> i think thats what he tweeted yesterday, this is a sad i do for freedom of expression. i think he was referring to his own project as well as "the interview." >> laurie, ill ask you because youve talked to some hackers that were not so savory, unsavory hackers. what did they tell you about how the united states can stop this bu...

More about this bureau 121, these cyberwarriors that north korea is training. the u.s. government knew about 121 for quite some time. has it done anything about this in the past? >> no, we havent. >> why? >> as a matter of fact, kim hung quain who defected from north korea, their focus in the past has been to do these attacks on the financial community in south korea. theres no banking system really in north korea. so if you screw up the banking system in south korea with cyberattacks, its a no ...

That, tom. you wouldnt think north korea would have this capability but weve known about bureau 121 for quite some time. so it didnt just come out of nowhere. >> no, carol. they have been doing this. theyve done it to south korea and they are kind of growing their abilities. this is practically the definition of asymmetrical warfare, where a country cannot launch a missile to your shores and attack you that way can do it by cyber and weve seen this with other countries as well, other state-spons...

The fact theyve done this just in a few weeks sun heard of. look at the chinese hacking case, that took years. this is just a few weeks. >> is it clear if north korea did this alone or outsourced the job? >> reporter: well, theres a lot of speculation that they outsourced it to perhaps another group, a criminal gang or whether or not this was emanating from whats called bureau 121. a group in north korea where the country poured resources into it and theyre believed to be behind the side or atta...

Said to be handpicked in pyongyang known as bureau 121 and from there, 1800 or so agents travel throughout the globe. they are said to be infiltrating enemy nations, including the united states. lets talk about this with a cybersecurity expert and the former vice president of worldwide internet enforcement along with jordan chang, a columnist for forbes.com. what can you tell me about bureau 121? how does it operate? >> bureau 121, the best way to say it, is a very silent enemy that can create v...

There are broader economic sanctions the u.s. can take as well. this would be the nuclear bomb, the nuclear option, excuse the expression, to block north korean business from dollar-denominated trade by going aefr the chinese banks that deal with them. that would cost north korea an enormous amount of money. you take economic and legal steps. we should be looking for these steps to be taken by this administration quite soon. >> well be waiting for that. jim sciutto, thanks. who exactly inside ...

Their losses it will be seen by more people than it would have, and hes managed to bring mitt romney and barack obama together. ive never seen america this united. what a swell way to end this ugly year. >> mr. kay, what about our cybertech tech and our intelligence? why cant we find out who actually did this? >> i think we have to separate this into two components. the first component is very much about the cyber attack and how you deal with unit 121 which is this unit that the is groomed withi...

Tokyo today and asked did sony do something wrong here? what they told me is that this attack was so unprecedented in the united states that it would have been very difficult for almost any corporation to fully prepare. but they say what sony could have done better, carol, is monitor the leak as it was happening and perhaps stopped it before so much data was stolen. >> can you tell us a little more, too, about this bureau 121, these cyber workers working within north korea? >> so we know these a...

So how do they do it with the foot soldiers that were learning come from a shadow agency called bureau 121. they are highly trained, spread around the world according to a defector and south korean government, with the sole mission of trying to disrupt american companies, western interests, and again, wolf, this comes down to visibility. as we both know, what north korea has wanted out of the united states, out of the global community, is recognition. >> long before the north koreans did this da...