at airports. earlier today tsa administrator was on capitol hill defending these new procedures. i must admit, i get the impression you are expressing your understanding. i m thinking nothing is gonna change. well, if your question is, do i understand the sensitivity to people? yes. if you are asking am i going to change the policy? no. because i think that is what being informed by the latest intelligence, latest efforts by terrorists that kill our people in the air, no i m not going to change those policies. sean: a growing number of pilots are just as upset some are not going to stand for it any more. joining me michael roberts one of two commercial airline pilots suing department of homeland security and tsa claiming the new procedures violate their constitution rights. his lawyer is also here. welcome aboard. john tell us about the lawsuit. well, it is a 4th amendment
sean: john, let s examine your legal remedies and what you think your chances in court. i think the chances are good if the rule of law upholds. the current law is that you can t strip search or do full body frisks. what michael is talking about the frisks are invasive, the slide method they go up touch the genitalia, breasts of women. we ve got 10 hundreds of e-mails from women who are outraged, men as well. if the constitution is in operation we should win under the 4th amendment. if we don t stop this at airports, in my opinion, you are going to see months on streets, in front of buildings. it is going to expand. the real issue with michael roberts and the other pilot is, are we going to allow a police state to be erected? this is the first step folks. we are getting conditioned to accepting a very invasive police state tactics.
at airports. earlier today tsa administrator was on capitol hill defending these new procedures. i must admit, i get the impression you are expressing your understanding. i m thinking nothing is gonna change. well, if your question is, do i understand the sensitivity to people? yes. if you are asking am i going to change the policy? no. because i think that is what being informed by the latest intelligence, latest efforts by terrorists that kill our people in the air, no i m not going to change those policies. sean: a growing number of pilots are just as upset some are not going to stand for it any more. joining me michael roberts one of two commercial airline pilots suing department of homeland security and tsa claiming the new procedures violate their constitution rights. his lawyer is also here. welcome aboard. john tell us about the lawsuit. well, it is a 4th amendment
lawsuit. under our constitution, the 4th amendment protects us against unreasonable searches and seizures. in this country we have never allowed government agents, police or people that work for the government to conduct full body strip searches which is what the body scanners do, or pat-downs unless there s some kind suspicion of criminal activity. none of that is available here. that s what is happening. the question is, does our constitution protect us or does it not? sean: michael you and another pilot refused to submit to either full body scan or the enhanced pat-down. tell us what happened? well, it is a simple, i was commuting to work in houston where i m based. i was stop add:the way by federal agent. i was stopped along the way by a federal agent. they wanted to see my penis, i told them that was not okay
sean: john, let s examine your legal remedies and what you think your chances in court. i think the chances are good if the rule of law upholds. the current law is that you can t strip search or do full body frisks. what michael is talking about the frisks are invasive, the slide method they go up touch the genitalia, breasts of women. we ve got 10 hundreds of e-mails from women who are outraged, men as well. if the constitution is in operation we should win under the 4th amendment. if we don t stop this at airports, in my opinion, you are going to see months on streets, in front of buildings. it is going to expand. the real issue with michael roberts and the other pilot is, are we going to allow a police state to be erected? this is the first step folks. we are getting conditioned to accepting a very invasive police state tactics.