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Discussion with 233 people generally isnt that productive, but more importantly, nobody has said this or on the reporter oeven close, know the makeup of the caucus, i think leaders feel maybe it would be best for some of their more conservative, and maybe more importantly the more outspoken members to not be there. what are you hearing about any possible movement especially when it comes to the debt ceiling. >> theres still no official talks, particularly between the republicans here on capito...

This -- threatening a debt default, the white house has just begun a series of meetings with lawmakers. house democrats are the first group to sit down with the president. republican leaders are next in line. lets go live to our chief congressional correspondent, dana bash, who is following all of this. the full gop conference wont be going to the white house. all 233 members. whats going on over here? all the democrats, the entire democratic caucus was invited. >> reporter: thats right. house g...

13 fans. >> the car completely spun around. the tires were flying off. >> it was very scary. >> very frightening. >> there was a lady trapped underneath the fence. as soon as we got here she was crawling out from underneath it. jenna: fran kitty, sustained ad concussion and surgery on his ankle. medical responders attended to the others at the scene. >> i in working with my members decided to do this in a unified way. i have 233 republicans in the house. and you have never seen a more dedicated ...

House speaker john boehner dug his heels in pretty deep today. he said the house will not pass a clean spending bill. he called for a conversation withlet president and democrats. he said there may be a backroom somewhere but no one is in it. aaron mcpipe joining us. we know the democrats say negotiations and obama care should not be tied to the extending plan. he only wants one thing for the spend i spending plan. >> im working with my members and decided to do this in a unified way. i have 233...

>> well, listen, ted cruz, you know, i compared him to a trained monkey the other day and i got a lot of phone calls from monkeys that were pissed off that i made that comparison. listen, he is not calling the tune. house republicans, 35 of them, have sort of rallied around him. but i will tell you that the hastert rule that always gets misinterpret -- its the majority of the majority. boehner can move forward if theres 233 rends with 120 republicans and ignore these outliers, and i think he sig...

Solution to reopening the government. it is a political strategy. it is dymmekry. heres what we should do, and speaker boehner as an opportunity to end what he called a game in exactly 30 minutes from now. in 30 minutes, well go back to the floor of the house. house democrats will offer the republicans what they originally requested, their budget level. we will produce 80% of the votes necessary to pass the budget at their level and reopen the government. all were asking hem to do is coming up w...

You house including any continuing appropriations bill. >> some conservative groups got behind his effort, including freedomworks and some conservative senators, ted cruz, marco rubio, lee. >> reporter: then it was signed by 8 0 republican senators but some conservatives slammed the strategy. karl rove wrote in "the wall street journal," it was an ill-conceived tactic that would alienate independents. columnist called this the suicide caucus. one of the letters signers, blake farenthull responde...

Because were not actually even arguing about a budget here. were arguing about a stopgap measure. and i want to get your thoughts on the point others have made which is the reason no real bills can come to the house is there is no consensus because john boehner cannot pull the two ends of his party together. >> well, actually, i think he could if he wanted to. i dont think -- the republicans have 233 votes in the house. and so only 16 republicans would have to switch to vote with all the democra...

Process and right now we are faced with no appropriations, and under the anti--deficiency act of 1868, this requires the government be shut down. so while the two are related, they are really different issues. i dont want people to get confused about that. >> let me follow on that, bruce. were not actually even arguing about a budget here. we are arguing about a stop-gap measure. i want to hear your thoughts on the point that others have made which is the reason that no budget no, real bills can...

How we got to this government shutdown, is a -- not a tiny faction, but 80 members out of 233, pushing this tactic on john boehner, who didnt want to do this. as you saw in those brief comments he made, he did not look like a man who was happy to be in the situation hes in. how does he get out of it? well, i think hes got to show his team that, look, were suffering because of this. the republican brand is suffering because of this. and we need to move beyond. we need to move beyond the governmen...