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So this is the official kickoff of the 2020 campaign. >> in many ways this has been game on for sometime now. as you know, the president has already done many rallies across the country, but yes, this is the official kickoff. itin just proves to us what wee known since at least 2000. in florida, florida, florida. that was a big part of the president flipping the narrative around on the mainstream mediat which said again and again that the math doesnt work, that he simply could not get to 270 ele...

Incumbents winning re-election in a row, so what is it? has it become too hard for a challenger to beat the power of incumbencisy? >> the reality is this goes to a thing we talked about earlier in the show. the big trend of polarization. by that i dont mean divisiveness and vilification but the hardening of the tribalism of the politics. the center produced almost nothing. the number of votes in play is almost none. people who were ticket-splitters dont exist anymore. democrat and republican wal...

Landslide as of today. >> i hope he is right. one thing trump understood is 2016 is the electoral map. hillary took it for granted. you need 270 electoral votes. you have to know where to get them. whats available. and trump knew that map is what drives presidential election. not polls. you have to understand how you get to the magic number. >> exactly. this is trumps 60th campaign rally since he became president. seven in florida, two in orlando. this is his strength. he thinks he reaches those...

Thing to remember here is if donald trump cant hold michigan and pennsylvania, two states he won that no republican presidential nominee had won since 1988, hes down to 270 elec ele electoral votes. he has a tight race and narrow path without even if joe biden cant expand the field the way hes talking about. >> theres some wishful thinking going on here. theres the trend hes been joking about serving more than the constitutionally sanctioned two terms in office. what is the nuclekcleus of all th...

Am the one that is going to take on trump and hes pretty much ignoring the rest of the democratic field. >> again, you dont want a candidate to say i can just barely maybe get to 270 if i get lucky here, here and here. you want a candidate who thinks they can expand the map and do well. one of the knocks on joe biden historically is that he sort of tells big tales. does he need to be more careful or is that just my age? >> this is not fundamentally different from his promise that republicans are...

>> and lets talk about joe biden. the former vice president, he just said that he would do well in the south. lets listen. >> i plan on campaigning in the south. i plan and if im your nominee winning georgia, north carolina, south carolina believe it or not, and i believe we can win texas and florida. if you look at the polling data now. >> all right. is that really polssible, ron? >> even if texas and georgia are competitive, they are never going to be in the first 270 electoral votes a democra...

Georgia, north carolina, south carolina, believe it or not, and i believe we can win texas and florida. first off, this is general election talk. and second, what about those states he just mentioned? >> well, i think first off, what this is bidens gamesmanship, trying to get into trumps head, trying to make the story about trump versus biden, which is helpful to biden from the standpoint that if were talking about biden as the democratic nominee, were not talking about the other democratic cand...

Electoral votes and subject that from the 306 for trump that is 270 and so he has one more. those are great. texas 38 and florida 29. but his math, or any democratic nominee math doesnt need to include those, just win michigan and pennsylvania and one more. >> and hes not the only democrat with a shot. >> absolutely. >> hes -- trying to port ray him that. >> and kim jong-un, what is the north korean dictator high-stakes strategy? and technoy that have made the rx the leading luxury suv of all ti...

Of course, popular votes, they need the electoral college. its a system made up of 538 total votes and based on population per state, a presidential candidate needs 270 of those votes in order to win the election. in the continuing interview series with 2020 contenders, nbc ease harry smith asked mayor pete put jbuttigieg about his b idea and what it has to do with the elect reoral college. >> my big idea is to strengthen democracy through better voting and representation for all americans. sout...

Most likely to the very end. talk about what youve seen in the states that matter most, wisconsin, michigan, pennsylvania, florida, north carolina, all the swing states. >> well, first of all, as someone who lived through 2016, the idea that we are talking about polls is a little bit nerve-racking this early in the election cycle. but, yes, it is going to be a close election. i mean, our own public projections out of priority show if the election were held today, the democratic come kn iic nomit...