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In and say, oh, 85.7% of the cases we win. and trump says, no, no, thats -- thats wrong. and they say call your trade representative. these are the facts. no. trump is just -- he closes down. will not listen. it is the absence of an open mind. i mean, you know so well that anybody in any business or institution, its very important that they grow and learn and listen. the capacity to really listen is very important in a leadership decision-making role. >> stay with me. next on "gps," bob woodward...

About unfair trade practices and the aides come in and say 85.7% of the cases we win and trump says no, no, thats -- thats wrong and they say call your trade representative these are the facts. no. trump just closes down, will not listen. it is the absence of an open mind. you know so well that anybody in any business or institution very important they grow and learn and listen. the capacity to really listen is very important in a leadership making role. >> stay with me next on gps. bob woodward...

And trump says no, thats not true. and they said bring in your trade representative. call him. ask him. trump, i dont want to. i wont do that. he closes his mind to the information that makes it possible for the president to weigh argues and data. and there is one point where he is literally saying -- theyre saying where did you get these ideas? ive had them for 30 years. >> yeah. >> thats it. youre wrong. thats it. now thats got to -- if you are the most ardent trump supporter, that has got to ...

Having bad policy ideas or being unable to learn things quickly is worrying, that you would want somebody more capable in the job. but there are suggestions that its worse than that. at one point you say the president is emotionally overwrought, mercurial and unpredictable. i worry in particular about the emotionally overwrought part of it. do you mean by that he is out of control? >> no. i mean by when confronted with evidence. for instance, there is a scene in the book where he starts talking ...

Call him. ask him. trump, i dont want to. i wont do that. he closes his mind to the information that makes it possible for the president to weigh arguments and data. >> and, david marinas, the president seems incapable of being embarrassed at the exposure of his own ignorance in those scenes. >> you know, that was so classic bob woodward, the 85.7%. you know, hes relentless -- hes very cautious, never getting ahead of the facts, but releaptless in t relentless in the pursuit of them. but yes, th...

>> -- describing this to rachel in the last hour, the presidents inability to understand how things actually work in the world trade organization and why it generally works so much to the united states advantage. lets listen to that. >> when confronted with evidence -- for instance, there is a scene in the book where he starts talking about the world trade organization, which is an organization that actually gives us great leverage if there is unfair trade practice in the world. and he said, thi...

Each one is different and unique. some similarities, some differences. i think the key in examining trump is actually what will he do when people present him with facts? for instance, it sounds a little esoteric, but the world trade organization, which the united states is a member of, very important, allows us to file complaints of unfair trade practices. and theres a meeting in the oval office and the president says, well, the world trade organization is the worst organization ever. we lose al...

I worry in particular about the emotionally overwrought part of it. do you mean by that he is out of control? >> no, i mean by when confronted with evidence. for instance, there is a scene in the book where he starts talking about the world trade organization, which is an organization that actually gives us great leverage if is unfair trade practice in the world. and he said this is the worst organization in the world and the advisers who are experts in there saying no. and trump says, well, we ...

>> and, david marinas, the president seems incapable of being embarrassed at the exposure of his own ignorance in those scenes. >> you know, that was so classic bob woodward, the 85.7%. you know, hes relentless -- hes very cautious, never getting ahead of the facts, but relentless in the pursuit of them. but yes, there have been a few politicians in the modern age who seem incapable of embarrassment or guilt, and donald trump in this book time and time again comes through in that fashion. >> and...

Some differences. i think the key in examination trump, what will he do when people present him with facts. the world trade organization, which the united states is a member of, very important. allows us to file complaints of unfair trade practices. and theres a meeting in the oval office, and the president says, well, the world trade organization is the worst organization ever. we lose all our cases and they present data -- >> i said, no, no, we actually win most of our cases there. >> like 85....