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Ago in august went to co cheese county and the sheriff invited us down. we were on the border and saw what was happening. were going back. >> neil: i want to get to that but we did invite governor strickland on by the way and he declined. sheriff, this comes up again to the races charges, that are you pulling people over because of the color of their skin? or are you pulling them over for another event, say speeding or they dont have a taillight, what leads -- >> its -- you have to commit anothe...

What she also said is that washington is useless to the people in arizona, in new mexico, in texas, in california. >> look, the rhetoric is -- >> bill: what would you say to her? >> i would say that the rhetoric is overheated. im not certain of the 87 number, but i do think there has been a change in the nature of illegal crossings. look, ten years ago, 15 years ago, you could go buy a coyote service to get you across the border for $100, $200, its now costing $2500, its costing more because its...

Way for years, as you just said. so why wasnt this done on president bushs watch? its almost as if theyre trying to target this problem because they dont like president obama, at least thats my perspective. let me ask you, were starting to see copycat legislation. utah, colorado, texas, even ohio is talking about this. is this the right way to go? dont you think this sets the table for racial profiling? >> well, ed, actually, we do this under a federal program called 287-g all over this country....

Charge mr. kerkorian is making and he says you need lawful contact and that means an officer already stopped one from -- for some other charge and that is when the question comes in. that is... >> again were not -- were not the courts, the courts and were not the attorneys that will try this. but, the history in maricopa county, arizona is one of racial profiling, using the 287-g law, they are under federal investigation for abuses and overreach under that law and this state law... bill: okay, i...

Federal government, i know neighboring states of arizona, senators mccain and senator kyle have asked for help from the federal government, most recently 3,000 national guard. have you asked for help from the government on this immigration issue? >> what we have done is weve joined the cap program, the criminal alien program. weve had a police officer trained under the 287-g program both are federal initiatives that invite states and local law enforcement folks to get involved in addressing the ...

Federal government, i know neighboring states of arizona, senators mccain and senator kyle have asked for help from the federal government, most recently 3,000 national guard. have you asked for help from the government on this immigration issue? >> what we have done is weve joined the cap program, the criminal alien program. weve had a police officer trained under the 287-g program both are federal initiatives that invite states and local law enforcement folks to get involved in addressing the ...

Folks that are going to get profiled disproportionately unfortunately are going to be the million americans living in arizona. >> mike, one thing before you jump in on that. clarify this law for me because there have been varying reports, for example, will it be legal for a law enforcement officer to see a group of people walking down the sidewalk, look at them, and think in his or her mind, these people may be undocumented citizens here so i can go after them? i mean, youre walking down the str...

Elements? none of that happens in the united states of america? are you kidding me? >> race than the general population. >> they are better behaved than the population. >> are you kidding me? >> no, im not kidding. one at a time. we have two conversations going. >> 99% of people coming to this country come to this country. >> laura: how do you know. >> even george bush -- >> laura: how do you know that? when you dont believe that they should be able to be -- >> -- border patrol agents have been ...

How you can possibly. >> laura: officials can operate under 287 g and the immigration law. >> if i may, i think something thats worth looking at is there was a very similar piece of legislation passed in prince gorgeous county. it had devastating effects. even legal residents and citizens on everyone in that county people laughed, you had businesses shutting down. >> laura: why does arizona want this so badly. >> because they are frustrated. >> laura: they have 460,000 illegal aliens. >> incredi...

Person looks illegal. how you can possibly. >> laura: officials can operate under 287 g and the immigration law. >> if i may, i think something thats worth looking at is there was a very similar piece of legislation passed in prince gorgeous county. it had devastating effects. even legal residents and citizens on everyone in that county people laughed, you had businesses shutting down. >> laura: why does arizona want this so badly. >> because they are frustrated. >> laura: they have 460,000 ille...