everybody. >> what more can you tell us about this? you were given this information or permission by the senator or by his family in order to broadcast this? >> yes, they -- with his permission, i spoke to the doctors they ask that i talk to the doctors get the information about what happened. we know that on friday morning he went to the doctor's basically for a scheduled annual physical exam. he was complaining a bit of fatigue and said he's been feeling tired over the last few months. he also had a bout of double vision. but because of those things his doctors decided to order a cat scan of his brain. this is all friday this happened. it was that cat scan and an a subsequent mri scan of the vain that revealed this abnormality. it was concerning enough that urgently, within the next couple of hours, the doctors took him to the operating room, they per
performed the incision in the left eyebrow area, removed some intone they believed they removed the entire tumor they could see from the area of the left front of his brain. this is a glee owe blas toe ma. it's the same type of tumor that senator kennedy had, that bo biden had. it is an aggressive type of brain cancer. so senator mccain and his family are dealing with the news and trying to decide the next steps in terms of treatment. he is at home, he was able to go home the next day after surgery. he had a rapid recovery. the doctors told me after he woke up from the anesthesia, he was alert, sharp, able to tell you what year it was. he was making jokes with the recovery room staff. but again it takes a few days for these diagnoses to come back because the pathologist has to review it and this is what they found. >> what are the potential next
steps? >> well, this is one of those types of tumors that is -- it doesn't have a particular cure. there's not a type of treatment you can say is going to likely lead to cure. the types of treatments typically are a combination of che che chemo therapy and radiation to his brain. this is a discussion i'm sure senator mccain and his family are going to have with doctors as how to proceed and when to proceed. just recovering from this operation can take a couple weeks, but to begin this therapy, radiation, chemotherapy. they have to wait three to four weeks until after the operation. he had the operation in arizona, at the mayo clinic there. >> this is a dumb question, but is this a tumor or is it more than that? >> this is a tumor. it is a type of brain tumor. it's a tumor that comes from the
brain as opposed to types of tumors that come from somewhere else in the body and spread to his brain. this started in his brain. people were concerned about the melanoma having spread. but this is not a melanoma. this is a malignant cancer. what that means, you operate on this, it needs to be treated as well with chemotherapy and radiation. the concern is it will come back. that's the big concern with these type of tumors. in order to try to give him the best chance at that, it is likely he'll undergo further treatments in the next several weeks. >> i want you to stay with us. david axle rod is also joining us and gloer ya borjer. this is very devastating news for senator mccain and his family. very tough news to hear for everybody. he was first elected to the
senate in 1986, more than 30 years ago. for the impact he has had, and continues to have, on the senate is not to be overstated. >> it's remarkable and don't forget he ran for the presidency twice and he told me he once came in second place, which wasn't good enough. you know, john mccain is a fighter. i think we all know that, all of us tonight. and, you know, this is a man who survived fire on the forest, shot out of a plane, would you say tortured, five years in a pow camp, melanoma. we've been talking to folks close to mccain. he's been on the phone talking about his statements on health care and continuing to work. if i know john mccain he's going to want to get back to work as soon as possible and want to continue to do what he does best, which is represent the people of arizona. and be the lion that he is in
the united states senate. >> you covered capitol hill for a long time, talk about the influence senator mccain has there and within the republican party. i interviewed him a number of times, he has a great sense of humor and is engaged in not just domestic issues but international. >> the only people who can call people little jerks and mean that as a term of indeerment, which he does. there is nobody who is the kind of fighter that john mccain is, never mind all the things he went through in vie yet nam, the melanoma he had in 2000, but that he's going constantly. warp speed always. you mention it had impact he had in the senate, a huge impact. but he has a huge impact
globally. just this year alone, anderson, 75,000 miles to 15 nations across three continents he logged. i was talking to chris coons who went back to vietnam with john mccain and talked about the fact that chris coons, who's about 30 years younger than john mccain. he had to change his own schedule because he couldn't keep up with mccain. and the way he said mccain is revered by leaders across the country, even especially in vietnam, which was really interesting. b but covering mccain in the senate and i covered his presidential campaign in 2008 from start to finish. he has a fighter pilot's mentally which is you keep going and keep going. you don't look back, you don't
think about regrets, because we all have them. but you keep going. that is his m.o.. there's no question knowing him and the way he likes to fight and he's probably also telling his joke that is he told on the campaign trail, in the words of chairman mow, it's always darkest before it's black. >> anybody who can survive what he did with his brothers in arms -- he spent years there under excruciating conditions. he is a fighter and he also in so many ways he's one of those politicians that transcends party lines. >> he does. i spent an hour with him the initial ax files on cnn with john mccain. and to hear him tell the story of his captivity and those very dismal years but the strength he
drew from that experience and the lessons he drew from that experience was incredibly moving. yes, he's one of those people who has over the last 30 years found a way to work across party lines on issues like immigration reform, climate change. it didn't always make him popular with the base of the republican party. but even on the health care issues, as he was waiting for this diagnosis, he was issuing statements on bipartisan health care. i think that's who john mccain is. when i sat here listening to you and sanjay read that news, discuss that news, i thought of his friend ted kennedy, who eight years ago -- eight or nine years ago got a diagnosis like this and continued to fight through it, worked through it. but two those worked together on many, many issues. and, in fact, john mccain spoke at ted kennedy's memorial
service. there aren't that many giants left in the united states senate. john mccain is a giant. >> we certainly wish him and his family the best tonight. i know there are a lot of people across the country and people he's met all around the world who are saying a prayer for him. so thank you all. in other words the president weighs in on his attorney general. he said to the new york times, you'll hear it all next. and while we make more e-commerce deliveries to homes than anyone else in the country, we never forget... that your business is our business the united states postal service. priority: you choicehotels.com. badda book. that's it?. he means book direct at choicehotels.com for the lowest price on our rooms guaranteed. plus earn free nights and instant rewards at check-in. yeah. like i said. book now at choicehotels.com
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yet at what is on the president's mind, the russian probe the man in charnl of it had to recuse himself. the president spoke to the new york times. the headline only hints at how much news he made. he expresses anger with comey and sessions and mueller. >> this interview is something. i want to start with what he told you about attorney general sessions. what did he say? >> he was clearly frustrated with jeff sessions he said that he would not have appointed him if he had known that he would recuse himself from anything russia related. he would have appointed somebody else. we know that donald trump has been angry with jeff sessions for quite some time, but it was a pretty remarkable statement for him to make on the record, for him to vent his ooire that y and make clear that he considers what jeff sessions did, which was a recusal because he was concerned about a conflict to be
praum problematic he faulted sessions for turning an easy question into a hard one at the senate confirmation hearing. it's a sentiment a fair number of critics agree with. >> he also said that if sessions hadn't recused himself there wouldn't have ended up being a special counsel, is that right. >> he did. a couple weeks ago the president's anger with sessions was really at the root of what he was saying had to do with other issues. he believed if sessions had not recused himself from russian there would be no rod rosenstein stepping up, no special counsel appointed. it is all the original sin from there. he was less about mueller but he was clear that he believed mueller had a number of conflict of interest one of which trump aides talked about for quite some time was that they say that
bob mueller interviewed as interim fbi director the by the way day before he was appointed special counsel. they consider that a mitigating factor to put it mildly. the president refused to say what he would consider a violation of the charge on the part of bob mueller. he wouldn't answer it. but he believes mueller's charge is on russia and he doesn't believe he's under investigation. >> he doesn't believe he is personally under investigation by bob mueller. >> that's what he said. >> he also had choice words for former fbi director james comey. >> he did. he said any number of choice words about james comey for some time. but he was very specific that he, you know, believed that comey was trying to essentially get leverage over him with that dossier, making all sorts of wild allegations about president trump and his appearance in russia in 2013.
you know, he -- as we know, he was not happy with comey for quite some time, long before he actually fired him. there had been some belief that he might fire him immediately upon taking office. but i will say his frustration was less trained on comey than on sessions today. >> the allegation against comey, this goes back to the meeting when u.s. intelligence officials at the time briefed then president elect trump in trump tower and as comey has testified, comey pulled him aside after the meeting and told him about the existence of this dossier or two-page summary of thises dossier, the president saying he believes comey did that to get leverage to keep his job. >> essentially comey wanted to keep his job and that was the point in showing it to him. again, the president feels sort of vindicated as i think you have seen him say publically,
that comey had to acknowledge under oath that he had told the president three times he was under investigation, he said he would not say that publically because it might change. the president doesn't accept that as an answer and was very frustrated that comey wouldn't say it publically. again, i think his frustration with the dossier continues and this was a piece of that. >> the white house went after cnn and others who reported that comey had briefed the president about the existence of the dossier and the two-panl summary of the dossier. i remember having a conversation with kellyanne conway where they seemed not to know it happened or denied it had happened. so the president is confirming, as has been confirmed already, that it did occur. it's fascinating to hear his perspective why that briefing took place with comey he thinks.
and the second conversation with putin he said it lasted only 15 minutes. >> i have to go back and check the transcript what was said -- >> i just raid ead it he said 1 minutes because we have other sources that were there that said about an hour. >> he was adamant with that time frame, which was consistent with what white house officials said yesterday about this second get together. he was not defining it in his mind as an actual meeting. he told a long and elaborate story about sitting next to japan's prime minister's wife. he got up to see his own wife next to putin. they started talking. he did say the topic of russian adoption came up when he was talking to putin at the newer meeting. the topic of russian adoption, as you recall, was supposedly part of the subject of this meeting that the president's son, don junior had with the
russian lawyer on june 9, 2016, one that was ultimately billed as dirt against hillary clinton. so it was surprising that came up, i have no reason to believe that it was anything other than coincidence. but the adoption relates to sanctions. >> it sounds like he didn't mention it, it be sounds like putin mentioned it. so if putin mentioned it, they're talking about sanctions. >> that was my read, but i don't want to get ahead of what the president said in his remarks. >> how does his demeanor seem? >> incredibly upbeat. when i contrast him on air force one last week and today with some of what we saw earlier in the administration, for whatever reason, he seems to be in a pretty good place. >> fascinating reporting as always. thank you. >> thank you. >> one other notable item from
the interview, asked if mr. mueller's investigation would cross a red line if it looked at his family's finances. he said, i would say yes. he was asked what he would do, he said listen this is about russia. your panel is back. gloria, have you ever heard of a time when the president of the united states says such things about the attorney general, who he appointed, an oig who wttorn who was one of his earliest supporters, campaigned for him? >> no, his earliest supporter somebody who was with him every step of the way and i think what you heard in hearing maggie and in reading this remarkable piece in the new york times is that this is a president who's very angry at a lot of people who work for him, i made a list,
jeff sessions, comey who used to work for him, andrew mccain, rod rosenstein, and of course special counsel mueller who he is not directly threatening but saying you have a lot of conflicts out there. so this is a list of. vegrieve enss. even though he was upbeat in mood, you could hear the grievance in the new york times piece. >> i talk to people who talk regularly with the president for months and we were told this is something he will not let go for months, his anger and ire at jeff sessions for recusing himself. if you remember, go back to his tweet, one of the first tweets he sent that got him as n big trouble as president it was the saturday morning after jeff sessions recused himself where
the president tweeted that president obama was tapping trump tower. it was donald trump lashing out in furry, you know, maybe pointing his anger in the wrong direction, but that was where all of that came from. from jeff sessions recusing himself. and since then, as the president himself has now said in public on the record to the new york times. so many bad things for him have stemmed from that recusal. having said all that it's one thing to hear about private conversations the president has about his attorney general and how upset he is, it's another thing to throe jeff sessions under the bus and then put it in reverse and come back and do it again in the new york times. this isn't a former attorney general. this is a sitting oig. the person who he put in charge. and as i you said anderson, a guy who went out on a very big
limb to endorse president trump. and that gave him credibility with the republican base in the campaign. >> does this mean that sessions needs to resign or something? >> i don't think so. donald trump operates by his own rules. jeff sessions is the attorney general. i'm going to see on friday -- he's going to be giving a talk in philadelphia. he will continue pushing for longer prison sentences for more civil forfeiture, it's a bizarre situation, there's no doubt about that. but he is still the attorney general, he will continue to do what he's doing, advancing an agenda, which is basically donald trump's agenda but just under this weird cloud. i don't think he has to resign. >> if he had any dignity he would. i think he should resign. first of all, i'd have to talk to maggie, i don't think it's in the report, but was this unsew listed? was it in response to a question. >> he may have been asked about something. >> i think to his point, why
give this interview today of all days where health care is obviously the thing -- this is right after the lunch with the senators about health care. >> that's the other thing. nobody stands up to donald trump. we had him humiliate senator helder at that lunch and then he does this. i'd love to see jeff sessions walk away at this point and -- on principle walk away. >> what's the the principle? >> i think -- go ahead. >> i think -- i think one of the reasons he went after jeff sessions is he blames jeff sessions for the rabbit hole of the russia investigation as he sees it. >> he said jeff sessions's led to the special counsel. >> he said jeff sessions is the one person who actually did the right thing. what jeff sessions did in that moment was honorable. >> but if you look at it -- i agree with you, but if you look at it from the president's point of view, the point he made to the times is okay if you wanted
to recuse yourself and you knew all along that you couldn't deal with russia, tell me before i made you attorney general. >> he thinks that jeff sessions works for him. >> exactly. i agree with you. but i'm telling you -- i'm channelling the president here as hard as that is, but that's his point of view. >> that's right. e he thinks everybody works for him. the presidency, the white house is about him. he doesn't care about health care he can have a nice lunch and elbow some people in the ribs he doesn't care about the agenda that jeff sessions is implementing as the head of the department of justice, he views him as his personal lawyer and he's not doing his job. he doesn't see the mueller investigation as an independent investigation. he wants mueller to know he retains the right to get rid of him if he cross it is line. say what you will about donald trump you know what's on his mind. he doesn't sugar coat it. it's clear. >> he approaches its like a job interview. if you knew before you took the
job you were going to recuse yourself, you should have told me before i gave you the job. >> that's right. and, you know, there is a corner of what trump says that makes a certain amount of sense. what really led sessions to recuse himself is that convoluted and false answer he gave -- >> which the president criticized him. >> -- to al frank from minnesota. he which he denied meeting any russians. which put sessions under the russia investigation, which meant he did have to recuse himself. there's no doubt that sessions made the right choice, the ethical choice in recusing himself. but that led to the mueller investigation, which is plaguing donald trump. >> he was on the campaign. he was a surrogate for donald trump. so even had that not happened, he probably still should have recused himself from this case. i think jeff sessions in that
case did the right thing and that's what he's being attacked for. >> it's also interesting that he's accusing former fbi director comey basically trying to leverage the dossier to try and keep his job. do we have any evidence to suggest this actually happened, beside the president leveling this accusation? >> no, we don't. >> because comey testified about this, explaining why he felt he should give the information to the president. that he worried that -- if my memory serves me correct, that down the road the president finds out about it and he thinks they kept it from him, that wouldn't be fair. >> that's right. and that's what i was thinking about when you were asking me that question, james comey's tom this issue and the question of why he decided to pull the president-elect aside because he wasn't yet the president, when they briefed him in trump tower and give him this information and the fact that that -- that
the president's -- then president-elect's reaction was so unbelievable that he had to run down to his car, pull out his laptop and write it in a way that he could remember and retain the contemporaneous notes but do it in a way that wasn't classified. there's no question about that. >> if memory serves me, and i might be wrong about that, but it was a decision by all the intelligence heads that comey would be the one to do this. >> right. >> i'm not sure it was comey saying i want to be the one to do it because maybe this will give me leverage. >> that's true. now at the time the intelligence heads the others were obama appointees because he wasn't president. maybe it made sense because he was the guy staying on because he had a ten-year term. comey sin insists he did it for the right reasons. he felt if this was out there he wants the president to have a heads up about it, not because he was warning the president if
he fires james comey it's going to get out there. it doesn't really make a whole lot of sense, but having said that i think taip take a step back. this comey story, the jeff sessions story and more recently mueller. you have such a sense in this interview about where the president's mind is. he is obsessing about these things. some of the things that he can't change that happened before, you know, really many months ago with comey, a guy he already fired. about feeling betrayed by his current attorney general and not having control over the current special prosecutor. and what are we talking about now we're talking about russia and we're doing it because it is the president of the united states who just blew a whole tank of oxygen into the story. >> you also get the sense this is a president who believes that everybody is out to get him. and talking about mueller, look he interviewed for fbi director.
you know, i didn't give him that job now he has this and democrats working for him. rod rosenstein comes from maryland everybody knows there aren't a lot of republicans in maryland. andrew mccabe's wife gave money to the democrat policy. so it's not about mueller's qualifications or rod rosenstein's qualifications. it's about where he sees them on the spectrum and it's black and white, they're either with me or against me. >> and we should say maggie said he seemed upbeat, when we talk about obsessing and stuff, according to to maggie he seems in a good head space. >> that was the report that i got from several republicans who were in the health care meeting that he had with all republican senators. that he was jovial, that he tweaked senators like rand paul stop going after republicans on
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presidential meeting with vladimir putin they made no effort to actually disclose. first we have breaking news on the three participants on the other undisclosed meeting. the one at trump tower last year billed as an attempt to get dirt on hillary clinton. we learned that donald trump jr., paul manafort, and jirk have dates to testify on capitol hill. >> they've been called before the senate judiciary committee that's been scheduled on wednesday however paul manafort's spokesperson has confirmed he's been invited. we haven't heard from donald trump jr.'s representatives. but senators expect both men to appear. >> the testimony by donald trump jr. as well as paul manafort that will be in public. >> it will be in public. if they both appear as requested it will be the first time senators will be able to drill
into them on details about the june 2016 meeting that was set up on behalf of the oligarch. the russia american lobbyist so a lot of questions that could come from the senators if don junior and paul manafort do, in fact, appear. >> they wouldn't be at the same time, i would assume one would be after the other. >> we have two different sessions they're scheduled to appear in the second session to presumably they would be one right after the other and not at the same time. >> jared kushner also testifying next week before another committee, is that public? what do we know. >> that is definite. he will be appearing on monday. it's a closed session before the snal senate intelligence committee. the questions although we won't see it play out in public. it will likely include what he knew about the meeting at trump tower and senators will probably drilled into why jared kushner has amended his security form at
least twice now. to disclose meetings with the russian ambassador, the chairman of the bank and the june 2016 meeting. so a lot of questions there, but that one while it's definite it will playout behind closed doors when jared kushner goes before the senate intelligence committee. >> thanks for that. the white house gave another one of their no cameras allowed press briefings today. they used some of it to talk about the president's previously revealed meeting with vladimir putin. it seems silly, said sarah huckabee-sanders, that we would disclose a dinner that he was already participating in. keep in mind the dinner isn't the issue, that was known. the meeting was not and the white house made it no effort to make it known. it's one in a string of previously unknown contacts big and small and people in donald trump's circle and russias. the undisclosed meeting with
jeff sessions, michael flynn, it goes on. we're focussing tonight on the latest. it's important to point out this is what presidents do, meet with foreign leaders however after wards they do not conceal the meeting while pretending there's nothing unusual about concealing it. what's also not normal is the time of the meeting. not even another interpret orwas present. >> putting the quote from sarah huckabee-sanders in context because it's a bold claim to make. >> it's a bold claim to make but in line with what the white house was doing all day. saying this was a normal meeting, something that was not a surprise. the reality is the white house only disclosed this last night, 11 days after the meeting because it had already leaked out. it was not a normal meeting. they were having a dinner but the fact that the president was there having dinner sitsing next
to the japanese prime minister. that's why the translator only spoke japanese. he was not intended to speak with the russian president that evening. they spoke earlier in the day for some two hours and 15 minutes. all eyes were on that meeting but it seems they had more to talk about. but this is what sarah huckabee-sanders said at the press briefing. >> they had a conversation, i'm not going to get into the conversation. again this was a social dinner where the president spoke with many world leaders as is the purpose. i think it would be awkward for them to all sit at a dinner and not speak to each other. i would imagine all of you would agree with that. it seems silly we would disclose a dinner that he tha we had announced to you as participating in. >> yes, we knew he was at dinner with the other world leaders at the g20 summit but it was the fact he had a separate
conversation that drew the attention of other world leaders that they were spending time together at the exclusion of other allies, but the white house would not say what they talked about during the meeting. >> president trump revealed more about what he said was in the meeting with president putin and put forth a new time line, basically saying it was much shorter. >> right he said the meeting was some 15 minutes or so to the new york times. i asked last night, a top administration official if the meeting was an hour long because that's what the people were saying that broke this story. and they said nearly an hour. the president saying 15 minutes. we know they stayed at that venn knew until midnight, long after it was scheduled. so i'm not sure the 15 minutes is accurate. we've seen story after story not necessarily the real story. the white house would not tell us today the length of the meet meting we asked sarah
huckabee-sanders about that, she would not say how long it was or what they talked about. the reason it makes a difference is because there is no u.s. record of what happened at the meeting and a translator was only by the russian government. it's highly extraordinary, unusual to have a conversation like that between adversaries without having at least a translator from your own government there to make sure things aren't mixed up, confused and that was not the case. >> appreciate the update. joining us now is ian bremer and thomas pickering. rey ian the white house released an official statement calling this a brief conversation minutes after that an unnamed senior white house official told jeff zelenys after close to an hour. you have sources inside the room, do you know how long this was? >> yeah look the reason i found out about it is because a number
of the 2: g20 allies were unnerved by the fact that trump's best meeting and best chemistry, clearly closest relationship among all these countries is with putin. it was the fact it was in front of all these people, it wasn't by himself. he's putting on display this very engaged, e ner jet ik, one hour conversation that apparently the senior white house official also confirmed to you, trump saying 15 minutes is unfortunately just not credible as we've seen on so many of these issues on the u.s. russia discussion. >> in terms of other details, where in the room was it? other people were around -- other world leaders were around watching this you said? >> yes, there were a lot of empty seats because a number of the leaders and spouses didn't actually come. so as a consequence, true doe's wife was seated by hergs with
empty seats on either side. i believe there was an empty seat near putin. so trump gets up leaves the japanese prime minister, the meal is 3 1/2 hours long. trump goes over to putin, my understanding it was at the table or right next to it and started engaging in this conversation, which now he hear is about adoption, read sanctions, and frankly, who knows what else. >> ambassador, when you hear the details, there's a big difference between a 15-minute meeting in which pleasantries can be exchanged and a discussion of nearly an hour. do you see a difference in that? do you believe there is? >> i do anderson. i think it's self-evident p. i think ian made it very clear. my sense is a conversation that long is probably half interpretation time and half statements on each side. that's still a half hour. a half hour is long time in international conversation. and talking about critical
subjects can consume a half an hour very easily. i think we're now seeing some of the results of that. i understand that the syrian rebels are no longer going to be supported by the united states. one wonders where that came from and how it fit in either to that context or perhaps other things that one way or another are part of the u.s./russian dialogue. i think it's important not to, in fact, let the message here be the problem so much as understanding that it is important for putin and trump to talk, were there allied jealousies and it was unwise to do this in front of allies, but allied je lieied je low sis asi, they've been in a deep hole. if putin and trump can dig us out in a serious way, fine. but it doesn't look like we have
the great deal maker at work here if, in fact, we're ceasing something that was in our interest and in our way of dealing with the syrian problem was to support the opposition to assad, who we would like to see gone. so those are important pieces to look at. i think we don't know, we'll perhaps find out, we perhaps won't find out if there's no u.s. record. >> it's interesting that president trump telling maggie haberman that the issues of adoption came up, obviously on the russian -- he was saying it came up, i'm not sure if he means he brought it up or putin brought it up. if putin did, adoption for russia means sanctions. >> clearly putin has been talking about the need to remove the sanctions for some time. another interesting point to the very appropriate one tom just brought up. is the russians have given the
americans an ultimatum, they want these properties back and they're not do going to engage in a deal for them. and in the last few days we hear they're close with the trump administration to get these properties back. again, is there a qid for that quo. was this discussed between trump and putin privately. the russians were the only ones with a read out of that conversation. i think all of that is problematic for the united states and russia. i think one of my big concerns is that trump gets played here. he doesn't have his national security advisor or team he doesn't have any expertise on this issue. in the same way when he was in saudi arabia, we saw the saudis and others hosting him very well and saying you're a great guy and saying the evil irans and qatar supporting them and then we have a move against qatar and
our allies and then tillerson and matson have to clean it up. to what extent is trump operating by himself going to give away the store. that's the concern here. >> i think people listening to this those people who like president trump say what's the big deal, he should talk to president putin. others who don't like president trump would have concern. have you heard about this happening before where there's not someone with the u.s. president or there was no talking points. >> i don't know if there were talking points or not. i think what is unusual is not to have one interpret tor from the u.s. side. it may have been it was unplanned and he had the japanese speaking interpret tor, and he thought had had to go and do some business. it was unwise if there were any difference in interpretations,
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meeting, still taking place at this late hour on capitol hill. you had moderates like lisa murkowski and conservatives like ted cruz. their goal would be to find a way around this impasse that divides the moderate and conservative wings of the party to move forward with a bill that would repeal and replace obamacare at the same time. the white house is involved, as well. we saw reince priebus walk in not too long ago. even though this meeting looks good and we got a lot of happy talk today out of senators and the white house, aides are cautioning us that these fundamental problems that exist still exist and they are a long way away from cutting a deal. >> the cbo report saying that 32 million fewer people would have health care coverage, explain more about what the report says. >> reporter: well, the cbo score was devastating to the republicans on a number of levels. you talked about how it will
impact people on insurance. there was a deficit decrease in that report, but the real problem is what it says is going to happen to premium costs. that's long been the argument that repeal would lead to lower premiums. republicans would only argue this is only about the repeal portion and even if they only repeal, they have a plan to replace obamacare within two years, but some of these provisions would take place right away. so even though you heard talk about putting repeal only on the table first, that it's really the desire of almost all republicans to do repeal and replace at the same time. the problem is, they're just having such a hard time coming up with an agreement that everyone can get on board with. >> thank you very much. the white house just weighed in on the whcbo numbers saying it' flawed because it doesn't take into account the president's full plan. the president is blaming democrats for the republican's
failure to get health care reform done. >> the way i looked at it, we have no democrat help. they're obstructionists. that's all they're good at is obstruction. they have no ideas. >> democrats are saying hey, wait, we do have our own plans, including senator joe manchin. senator, the cbo score, premium also double by 2026 and 36 million americans lose their insurance, how much does that change the equation? >> from my point of view it doesn't, saying we're going to save $470 billion. that's a lot of money and we need to be as cost effective as we can. but the 32 million people that are going to lose their health care are going to be much more expensive than than. what happens to them when they go back to the way they were getting health care before? in west virginia, if you don't have health care, you go to the
emergency room. if you're working, you're going to claim worker's comp. so you're using health care at the most expensive level you can. >> that's money taxpayers are paying. >> that's exactly. i had every hospital coming to me saying hey, i gave $10 million, $15 million. people came and couldn't pay. so i know the toll it takes in states. >> over the last 48 hours, president trump talked about repeal and replace, talked about just repealing to let it fail, now back to repeal and replace. what do you make of the president's approach and for you, what is the priority? is it the insurance networks and propping them up? >> i've tried to remind the president and the white house, the president got elected with a tremendous margin in west virginia. those were mostly democrats. these were people upset with the previous administration, who thought they wanted a change and unorthodox. they didn't think they were
electing somebody partisan like it's been before. so i would say to the president, there's a lot of democrats, a lot of people that are going to be hurt. there's not one demographic group in my state that won't be affected. >> a lot of people talk about bipartisanship. i talked to governor kasich yesterday about it. do you believe that's possible? we're talking about washington, d.c., where there's a lot of politics involved and each side has a reason to not cooperate with the other. >> anderson, we have 11 former governors and united states senators right now. four republicans, six democrats and one independent. we started talking informally, nothing formal -- >> former governors in the senate? >> i'm a former governor for west virginia. we have 11 of us, former governors, we're recovering governors because it was the greatest job in the world because we could get things done. but we are used to in our work confinement as a governor of our state, bringing contentious
legislators together, finding a purpose of moving forward, understanding the challenges every state has. we understand that. we think that we can add some clarity to this, and also some bipartisanship. that's what we're working on. so i've said if the governors can't do it, nobody can. >> chuck schumer yesterday said that democrats are open to working with republicans, the door is open. he did seem to put self-preconditions on that cooperation. should there be preconditions on getting democrats to sit at the table? >> the only precondition we need is we're not going to repeal it, and the other precondition we need is we're going to go through a regular order. we're going to sit down and dissect the bill. nibble who has an idea, an amendment that comes before it goes through this process. that's the way legislatures work. that's the way the united states senate should work. we haven't done that for quite some time. that's the only preconditions you should have. anybody else that has an idea should be discussed. >> can republicans who have
most cases, it would be a grand jury, but here in minneapolis, the county prosecutor has decided he alone will review evidence and determine whether to pursue charges. david? >> alex perez leading us off tonight. alex, thank you. there is also a state of emergency playing out tonight. 43 major fires burning. one in particular forcing nearly 5,000 from their homes as the fire now gets closer. and tonight, it is moving in on yosemite national park. smoke so thick in the park, you cannot see what makes it most famous. abc's kenneth moton on the fire lines from california. >> reporter: tonight, the detwiler fire, exploding in size to more than 70 square miles. firefighters calling it the most powerful of their careers. >> talking to firefighters, it's been over ten years since we've seen fire and fire growth like this. >> reporter: 2,200 firefighters trying to keep up in grueling conditions on the ground. these firefighters are the first line and pretty much the only defense watch over these flames hosing them down because look. walk with me here because you can see there's a home they are trying to protect just a few feet away. from the air, this firefighter's
in the meantime, we're also following severe storm warnings at this hour. a potentially dangerous heat wave for much of the country. triple digit temperatures on tap, and i want to go to ginger zee tracking it for us. ginger? >> reporter: and david, trees are uprooting right now as we speak. 70 miles per hour winds, and a severe thunderstorm watches. even embedded tornado warnings in that line in minnesota and iowa. i want to take you south of there where in this heat dome, there are excessive heat warnings and advisories that stretch from oklahoma, through missouri and then all the way here to new york. numbers will look like this. 110 in kansas city, it feels like here tomorrow, nearly 100 in new york. david. >> ginger zee with us. ginger, thanks as always. we are also following breaking developments involving president trump's son-in-law and senior adviser, jared kushner. we have just learned he will now appear before the senate intelligence committee on monday. abc's senior white house correspondent, cecilia vega, with what she has learned tonight. >> reporter: tonight, abc news has learned jared kushner will be the first person in the president's inner circle to appear before senate
known sessions would have stepped down from that probe. >> how do you recuse yoourus? if you would have done that before the b jo, i would have said, no thanks. i won't take you. that's unfair in a mild word, to the president. >> all right, let's get live to cecilia vega at the white house. you learned that donald trump jr. and former campaign chair, paul manafort, have both been asked to testify on capitol hill next week? >> reporter: representatives for both those men confirmed they have received these invitations, but their appearances are not confirmed. both said they would be willing to cooperate, and you remember not long ago, president trump said if don junior wants to testify, he should. >> cecilia vega, thank you. president trump, meanwhile, bringing senate republicans to the white house today, and issuing a new order. do not leave washington until you come up with a new plan to repeal and replace obamacare. but then the white house was asked, is the president promising the same himself? will he stay in washington until it happens too? abc's mary bruce on the hill again tonight.
>> reporter: first, the president said he wanted to repeal and replace. then when republicans blindsided him, he said, just repeal. then it was just let obamacare fail. and today at the white house, a new order, to go back to repeal and replace. >> i intend to keep my promise, and i know you will too. >> reporter: it was a signature promise he made repeatedly on the campaign trail. >> we're going to repeal and replace obamacare. >> reporter: then as president-elect, he promised to do it quickly. >> probably the same day. could be the same hour. >> reporter: and today he told senators they should not leave town until they get it done. >> we should repeal and replace and we shouldn't leave town until this is complete. until this bill is on my desk. >> reporter: the president reminding republicans sitting there that they voted more than 60 times to repeal all or part of obamacare while obama was in office. >> i'm sitting in that office. i have pen in hand. you never had that before. you know, for seven years, you
had an easy route. we'll repeal and replace. he is never going to sign it. but i'm signing it. so it's a little bit different. >> reporter: the president also making a veiled threat against one of the senators who signaled he might bail. senator dean heller of nevada sitting right next to him. >> he wants to remain a senator, doesn't he? okay? >> reporter: meanwhile back on the hill -- protesters swarmed the capitol making clear what's at stake for republicans. [ chanting ] tonight, republican leader mitch mcconnell is pushing ahead. he says the senate will still move to vote on a bill to just repeal obamacare. but some republicans are still not on board. >> no replace with repeal. whatever part of the process is, i'm not voting for it. >> mary bruce live on the hill again tonight, and the senate could go ahead next week to vote in a straight repeal, and we're learning from the congressional budget office the score. how many americans could be affected?
>> reporter: a straight repeal could leave 32 million more americans uninsured over the next decade, and premiums for some could double. that's only if republicans don't come up with a separate plan to replace obamacare. >> what about that other issue? what about the president? the white house was asked, is he willing to stay in washington as he has ordered senate republicans on this? >> reporter: the white house says the president is willing to stay in town so long as senators are right here on the hill and working on health care. david? >> mary bruce, thank you. next tonight to o.j. simpson. the decision comes tomorrow. a parole board could clear him to leave after nine years behind bars. one of the men he is accused of robbing telling abc news he should go free. abc's senior national correspondent, matt gutman, outside the prison tonight. >> reporter: after nine years in lockup in lovelock, nevada, o.j. simpson is headed to that fateful parole hearing with an ace up his sleeve. the man you see simpson heading to rob at this casino telling abc news he'll testify on behalf of the nfl hall of famer.
that 2007 heist instead got him an up to 33-year sentence. >> i thought i was confronting friends, and retrieving my property. so i'm sorry. i'm sorry for all of it. >> reporter: former prison guard, craig arnett chatted with simpson regularly during his first years in prison. >> what was he like? >> to tell you the truth, he was just like anybody else on the yard. he was never disrespectful. >> reporter: that's the case simpson will try to plea to the parole board, and it happened beyond the barbed wire, and through that little blue door there. that parole board comprised of six commissioners will also consider the potential risk he poses to society should he be released. now simpson needs four of the six majority in order to be granted freedom, david, but given his age, the pristine record he has and of course, the support of his victim, it's likely he will get paroled. still, he can't walk free until at least october 1st. david. >> matt gutman in nevada. matt will be there tomorrow, and stay with abc news for complete coverage beginning with "gma" in
the morning. a live interview with fred and kim goldman. then live coverage on abc of the parole hearing and a wrap-up here of course, on "world news tonight." next this evening, troubling images from a baltimore police officer's bodycam. authorities say it appears to show him planting evidence while other officers watched and then turning on his bodycam. now that evidence leading to an arrest, raising doubts about that arrest and dozens of other cases he has been involved with. abc's linzie janis with the video tonight. >> reporter: tonight, one baltimore police officer suspended and two others placed on limited duty as authorities investigate this video. >> i'm going to check here. >> reporter: the officer's body camera shows him walking down the alley, sifting through some trash and finding a bag of drugs inside a soup can. >> yo! >> reporter: but the body camera records 30 seconds of silent footage before the officer turns it on.
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of the trump campaign. >> just to state the obvious that we all know, the president shoots from the hip. i'm not sure there was a ton of fore thought into what he said about sessions. i think he was honest and blunt about his feelings at that moment in time. they are feelings that he has had on and off for some time now. the russian investigation as we all know kind of won't go away as a story line partly because there's an open investigation but also because the president is preoccupied with it and he brings it up all the time, in private conversations and apparently in public ones. >> i think there's a real concern in terms of the comments he's made obviously because they also seem to indicate that, you know, first he wants loyalty from comey, now he wants loyalty or allegiance from attorney general, like he's wanting to run this the way he runs his business, which is not the way the government works and certainly not the way the justice department works, which is an independent institution. these senior officials take an oath to the constitution, not donald trump, and he fundamentally misunderstands
that. >> if he wants to run it the way he runs his business, shouldn't those around him remember he's gone bankrupt four times? i want to share what he said about robert mueller. >> mueller was looking at your finances and your family's finances unremitted to russia, is that a red line? >> would that be a breach of what his actual charge is? >> i would say yeah, i would say yes. >> that's a red line. you cannot go into my family's finances. once robert muler is in that kitchen, he's in there. >> it's called an independent investigation for a reason. the whole purpose of this exercise is not to exonerate donald trump or prove his innocence. it's to get to the truth, wherever it may take us. and the american people deserve to know whether their president a operating in the american's interests or his own business or financial interests. this is a completely fair question to be asked. >> does donald trump have any point in that if robert mueller's job is not to
exonerate donald trump, it's also not his job to look under every rock there possibly is to see if he, you know, cheated on his homework in 1962. >> i just think mueller -- >> which i'm going to take a guess he probably did. which you know what, i may have as well. >> procedurally, he's in a very awkward spot now because trump has eventually said i will fire him if he gets into this area of inquiry. if the investigation leads him there, i'm sure he'll feel compelled to proceed and risk being fired but that of course would be totally counterproductive to the entire effort. >> which goes into this bizarre history he's created, this alternative universe he's created where somehow rod rosenstein told him to fire comey and rod rosenstein also stacked him in the back by appointing mueller. the president's inability to put together basic chronology of what his own behavior lead to is part of what makes this interview so bizarre. we've seen rambling things from trump before, but i don't think he knows what he did yesterday
let alone the consequences of what he'll do today. >> making him a defense attorney's nightmare and a prosecutor's dream. i want to share more of what he said when he was specifically talking about his conversation with vladimir putin. >> it was not a long conversation, but it was, you know, could be 15 minutes. just talked about things. i actually talked about russian adoption with him, which is interesting because that was a part of the conversation that don had in that meeting. >> okay. ewing my president trump decoder ring, adoptions means sanctions. does the president not understand that whether that meeting was 15 minutes or 50 minutes sanctions and adoptions are one and the same and you sit down with vladimir putin, you are getting in the way of some serious foreign policy issues. >> apparently not, which of course is pretty surprising given all of what's unfolded with his son and the meeting that they had and all of the conversations that, you know, we've had since then about adoption, the magnitsky act,
collusion. so it's pretty surprising that, you know, he is seemingly unawares. but the reality is when you look at trump's behavior, when you read the rest of the interview and look at statements he's made in the past, he really doesn't seem to know a lot about what's going on with any of us. he doesn't seem to understand the seriousness of the investigation and why it matters. he doesn't seem to understand why sessions recused himself and the importance of having an investigation that has integrity and how having an investigation with integrity can benefit him if he doesn't have anything to hide. he doesn't understand that his attorney general is not his junior employee who he can expect to put his personal political interest before the american people. it's really a problem across the board and it comes through clearly in this interview. >> there's something else to hide. 17 million bucks. 17 large. "new york times" reported paul manafort in the hole to russian
interests, going into the campaign for 17 large. >> right. >> how do we square this one off? >> well, i mean, manafort's obviously got a very serious problem here and, you know, he's one of the key individuals in these inquiries. so it's just putting more detail on what is already a very serious issue for him among others. >> i need a quick yes/no. does jeff sessions quit? >> no. >> yes. >> yes. >> that's what makes markets. we'll soon find out. we have to turn to some other news, news that shook capitol hill shgt i want to shay it shook the world last night. senator john mccain diagnosed with brain cancer. this was revealed after he underwent surgery this week for a blood clot just above his left eye. msnbc's garrett haake is on capitol hill. garrett, you were on the hill seemingly all day, all night yesterday speaking to lawmakers as they learn this news. what are you hearing?
>> yeah, stepny. let me set the scene for you last night. we had about 15 or 20 republican senators meeting behind closed doors on health care. this is a senators only meeting. their aides weren't even in the room. they were sort of cloistered away last night when this news broke. lindsey graham, who is john mccain's best friend in washington, d.c., and probably his best friend who he's not immediately related to, was on the phone with john mccain when he walked into that meeting room. he broke the news to rest of the senators. they were absolutely stunned by this, depressed. they sort of stomed the meeting right in their tracks and asked one of the member who is's a former pastor back in oklahoma to say a prayer for john mccain right then and there. they tried to keep working after that, but everyone we talked to coming out including lindsey graham, especially lindsey graham, so emotional about not having this person who served as the spiritual leader of the republican party in the senate. here was lindsey graham talking to our cameras right after that meeting late last night.
>> pray. i don't know, god knows how this ends, not me, but i do know this -- this disease has never had a more worthy opponent. >> a >> reporter: one of the things he said was after about five minutes of conversation about the tumor, john mccain was talking about passing a defense authorization. he was talking about health care. he was talking about the work. he urged his republican colleagues to get back to work and that's what we're going to see here shortly this morning. >> john mccain is a great american and certainly a fighter. let's turn to nbc news medical contributor dr. natalie azar. dr. natalie, john mccain's family in their statements have said they are weighing treatment options. what kind of options are they here? >> the standard course of therapy is chemotherapy and radiation after the tumor was surgically resected. that's the standard of care. with that, the median survival is roughly 14 months. five-year survival statistics about 5 to 17%.
things that factor into the prognosis are age, so older age patients tend to have a worse outcome. >> his 80, but his mom, i want so say she's 105. >> amazing. we know he's strong guy so i certainly have all the faith there. they also study the tumor and look at two specific markers that will predict how well he responds to chemo and will know the result and the status of those in about a week or two. a little early to say exactly what path is going to be followed but the standard of care again is resection, you hope to get as much out as you can according to the scans, they did get a complete resection, which is great, and then chemo and radiation would be the standard of care. >> well, we are certainly sending him all of our prayers, and we know he's going to get the very best treatment. dr. natalie, thank you so much. next, cbo scores, straight repeal of obamacare, and those numbers, they ain't good. founding member of the freedom caucus congressman jim jordan, explains what he thinks it needs to be repealed even without a
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my message today is really simple. we have to stay here, we shouldn't leave town, and we should hammer this out and get it done. >> president trump there demanding that republicans remain in d.c. until they have a plan to repeal and replace obamacare. just hours later, nearly two dozen senators met to hash out their differences. >> we still do have work to do to get to a vote of 50, but people are committed to continuing that work. >> we've just got a ways to go yet. it will take a little more patience. >> i don't think we're as far as some people think they are but there's work to be done, no doubt. >> trying to get to 50. working on it. >> any closer? >> hard to say. >> i'm joined by ohio republican congressman jim jordan, a founding member of the house freedom caucus. congressman, i know you want to vote to repeal the aca even if there's no replacement ready. you've had a lot of time to come up with a replacement.
why would another year or two make any difference? >> well, senator mccain has said this, if you can repeal it first, that may be the catalyst you need to create the momentum you need for actually a bipartisan solution where we could work on some of the things that the more moderate members of the republican conference and democrats are really focus on like some of the medicaid expansion issues, the opioid issues, as well as some of those things we believe on the conservative side would bring down premiums like expanding health savings accounts, easier formation of association health plans, and interstate shopping for insurance. so that's the kind of trade that can be set up if you first repeal it, which everyone onos we have to do, and oh by the way, what we told the american people we were going to do when they elected us. >> not everyone knows we have to replace it. i would say there's consensus that it has to be improved. and do you have to replace it and take that kind of risk to motivate people to work together? the cbo says we could see nearly 17 million more people go
uninsured by next year alone. premiums doubling in 2 1/2 years. why repeal it and say i'm going to put a gun to your head to work together? why not not just work together? >> first of all, it never hurts to do what you said nap's what we told the american people we were going to do in 2010, 2014, 2016s when we won elections on that issue. >> you said repeal and replace, not just repeal. >> so let's repeal it then replace it in another piece of legislation. they can happen at the same time. that's not quite working out in the same bill, but they can happen in the same time two different bills or repeal it then get to the replace. second, cbo, this the same cbo who said when obamacare passed that 21 million americans would be on obamacare right now when in fact the numb inter9 million. the same cbo that said when the medicaid expansion happen under obamacare the cost would be $4600. instead it's $6200. >> the cbo -- >> it go the facts that have happen wrd cbo has been wrong
countless times. second, and you guys never talk about this, our repeal bill says it's not effective until december 31st, 2018. if it were passed today and president trump would sign it tomorrow, there's a year and a half before it takes effect. that's time for what i just described, people to come together and put together a replacement plan that will bring down premiums, which have risen dramatically under obamacare, and if you can pay your premium, can you afford the four, six, eight thousand dollar deduckable so many plans have that so many are experiencing. that's how we can come together and solve problems for american families. >> you said yesterday you have a full understanding of what the american people want. i'm looking at the this new cnn poll that says 35% want to abandon the repeal only if you're going to then have an immediate replacement. it doesn't seem like the american people want to take this risk. it seems like it's a campaign promise that you want to just
check off. >> no. we want to do what we told the american people we were going to do, what we think is best. never forget where we're at and never forget what the democrats told the american people when they passed this terrible thing called obamacare. remember all the false statements we were told. like your plan, chemoyour plan. like your doctor, keep your doctor. we were told premiums would go down. the president of the united states said premiums would go down on average $2,500. we were told the website was going to work. we were told the website information on their was secure. we were told that emergency room visits could trade deadline. they've went up. and we were told these co-ops would be wonderful. >> you are right. >> 18 of the 22. everything we were told -- >> and that -- >> this law has to be repealed. let's do it as soon as possible with the effective date in the future a year and a half. that gives us time to putting to the replacement. >> there are loads of obamacare problems. that is one of the reasons president trump won the election. >> right. >> it is also why republicans
control it all. so why can't you get your house together? you don't need democrats. you can blame democrats but you near the most beautiful position. you don't need them. >> you know what, stephanie? you're right. we did that in the house. we did come together. we had an intense debate in the house. i know because of that intense debate we conservatives made the bill that left the house a better piece of legislation that actually brought down premiums. so let's hope the senate can do the same thing there and have the same process up fold over there. if they don't, we started the process yesterday with doing a discharge petition, bringing out the clean repeal and doing again what we told the american people we were going to do. >> is president trump your ally here? yesterday he said republicans do a poor job of trying to explain this and sell the new health care idea, this new bill, yet i'm reading the interview he did with "the new york times" where he's talking about entitlements and i want to share a quote where he says, you know, you're 21 years old, you start working and you're paying 12 bucks a year for insurance and by the
time you're 70 you get a nice plan. it's as though the president has a very sophomoric understanding of how health care works. so is the president your advocate here? is he helping you sell this? >> i think the president's helping us on this issue and a host of others. i think what has to happen is congress has to do what we said. again, we make this job way too complicated. i know what i told the voters in the fourth district of ohio. i know in crawford county i get -- today there is not one single plan offered in the exchange, not one plan if you live in crawford county, ohio. so i know what's happened to folks. i know what i told them i was do. that's what i'm focused on accomplishing. i think the president is doing the same thing spop let's simply do what we said, do what the american people sent us here to accomplish. >> all right. if it doesn't have to be that complicated, does it mean you'll vote on it next week and it will pass? >> we've already voted on it in the house, stephanie. we seal what happens in the
senate. senator mcconnell said bring up the repeal, our leadership won't bring up that bill so we've start the process to make an end run around that and bring a discharge position to the floor and vote on a clean repeal. >> good luck. >> thank you. up next, senator elizabeth warren joins me on everything from the russia investigation to a new report card on president trump's first six months. and speaking of president trump's first six months, monday he made this claim. >> we've signed for bills and i'm talking about through the legislature, than any president ever. >> 42 bills signed so far top the two previous presidents but it is fewer than bill clinton. and of those bills nearly one-third of them are aimed at pulling back rules put in place by president obama. well, president trump said he doesn't like to get pinocchios. i'm afraid at this rate he's going to be getting quite a few.
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there's a new report card out that shows he's fallen fall short in fulfilling one of his key promises from the campaign -- draping the swamp in washington. joining me is the author of that report card, a report card in the summer? nobody wants one of those. senator elizabeth warren. i want to talk about the report card but i have to ask you about a colleague of yours, john mccain, a man you've known for years and years. what is your reaction to his diagnosis and the mood among your fellow lawmakers? >> you know, we're all just stunned. john is tough and has been in every fight, and the idea that he's facing something like this is just a shock to everyone here. he's a good man, and i know he'll be strong in this fight, the fight for his life. >> a great man. let's talk about you and the report card you've been working on over the last few weeks. you put together this report card on president trump's efforts to drain the swamp in
washington. he talked so much about it, speeches he gave about the goldman sachs partners that hillary clinton would be lining the halas of the white house with, and mind you the president has done so. you've given him an f. at least it wasn't an f-minus, and you found that his administration and his transition team has included 1993 lobbyists and corporate insiders. can you put that in context for me in terms of his entire administration and how that's impacted policies? >> so, look, washington works great right now for giant corporations. and one of the prince. reasons is because they can hire an army of lobbyists to get out there and make sure that their point of view is represented in every decision that gets made in government. it's just not working so great for the rest of america. so when trump promised to drain the swamp during a campaign, i thought that's something really important. and i want to keep track of what he does. and instead of draining the swamp, here it is, he's brought
in 193 lobbyists, corporate executives, corporate consultants, and they're in every part of government making key decisions. the department of education. what's happened they've already rolled back rules to protect student borrowers so that the corporate interests can make more money. you watch the same thing happening, for example, in the department of the treasury. they're looking at whether or not to roll back some of the regulations that were put in place after the 2008 financial crisis. and what have they done? they've come up with a list of regulations to be rolled back. and here's how it's described by the industry. it is the big bank's wish list. same kind of thing is happening
over in the drug industry. put together a team of people to try to deal with the question of rising drug costs, and donald trump puts a lobbyist in charge and now the lobbyist is coming up with an initial draft that looks like exactly what it is that the big drug companies want, not what families want. this matters to people on a day by day-by-day basis that donald trump has put the corporate lobbyists in charge of running our government. >> unform, report cards can get slid under beds, in the back of drawers. what can actually be done? when i think about some of those photographs i've seen with president trump signing executive orders, well, he has a ceo like andrew liverest of dow chemical standing next to him saying maybe we should call this the dow bill. people that make dangerous pesticides. maybe they'll be legal again.
steve schwartzman, a ceo from blackstone, joining president trump on that trip to saudi arabia, where blackstone raised a cool $40 billion in permanent capital from the saudi family. these are not just anecdotes. these are bad things. what can be done about them? >> so, the first thing we try to do is to get some accountability, and that's why senator whitehouse and i put this report together, is to try to say here's what's happening. it's one more example, just as others have done, of trying to twaef flag, trying to make it clear what's going on, because that is the first step at accountability. the second step is too to try to get the word out, i posted this on my website, i snow that senator whitehouse will be doing the same, to send it around to everybody that we can because it is only when the voices of the people are heard that we're going to be able to fight back against this. i believe in accountability for government.
right now that's going to take people across the country, it's going the take grassroots saying, wait a minute, i see what you're doing, donald trump, and it's not okay with me. that's our first step. >> knost people would not be surprised that you gave the president an f. what do you say to those who say great, elizabeth warren, this is just a partisan argument, we've heard it, you're anti-trump, what do you say to them? >> it's 193 lobbyists and corporate claonsultants that donald trump has brought in to help advise him and then help him run the government. the document is there. read the numbers. you can't ignore the facts any longer. that's what's happening in washington. and be clear, the american people know what's going on. they're not fooled. >> the american people want solutions. you've been anti-trump, opposed to the republicans' health care
efforts. president trump says, for example, in health care, single pay yes, something you have pushed for, will bankrupt america. do you believe it's a resolution that could help america? i think we have three things we need to do on the health care front. the first is we need to defend what we have right now and that means not let 32 million people get knocked off health care. when there's a vote next week as mitch mcconnell has said there will be, we need to defeat the effort to repeal the affordable care act. the second thing we need to do is bring down costs, for example, the cost of prescription drugs. i have a bill with bernie sanders and others that says we can import those drugs from canada where often they are paying one-tenth of what we're paying here in the united states. >> are there any republicans willing to work on that bill? because partisanship is the only way you're going to get anywhere. >> we are certainly reaching out and we're certainly open to
that. you know, the problem of high cost for prescription drugs is not just a democratic problem. it's a problem that faces democrats, republicans, independents. i talked to people all across massachusetts who tell me i'm paying $162 a month for this prescription drug. i could buy it in canada for less than half that. i'm paying $300 on prescription drugs, $500 on prescription drugs. and the drug companies just keep raising prices, raising prices and raising prices. we've got to be willing to push back against that and bring down the costs, bring down the costs for families and bring down the costs for insurance companies because that will help bring down the cost of insurance overall. and, yeah, when we do that, we also need to talk about how we get more coverage across america. you know, how we expand medicare so it's available to more americans. so i think we've got all three
parts, defend what we've got exexpand what we've got, and then let's have a serious conversation about how he get better coverage through medicare. those are the ways we can get full coverage and help bring down costs for all of us. >> i have to ask you about president trump's comments about his own attorney general, jeff sessions, yesterday. telling "new york times," sessions never should have recused himself and if he was going to, he should have told me before he took the job and i would have picked someone else. what do you make of this? is it almost a gift that president trump continues to -- >> no. >> -- mud dpi di the waters and ghefrt to an agenda? >> you know, no, it is not a gift. i'm here to fight for working families. it means the business for working families is not being done. trump's rash about jeff sessions are one more example of how --
he's not interested in following the law and he's not interested in protecting anyone but himself. i opposed jeff sessions for attorney general of the united states, but let's be clear, his recusing himself is simply following the law. that is what the department of justice requires. he followed the rules. for donald trump to say, gee, i really wanted an attorney general who wouldn't follow the rules is just like i said, one more example. donald trump has only one thing in mind, and that is how can everything profit donald trump. >> if you opposed jeff sessions before, now he recused himself, sounds like donald trump wants him out. do you want him to quit? >> i'd be very glad for him to quit and get someone else in as attorney general of the united states. i believe firmly jeff sessions should not be the number-one lawmaker in america. he is right now the one who is responsible for enforcing our laws, and his views on many of
those laws i think head us in the wrong direction. on civil rights, on drug, on private prisons. there are many reasons for jeff sessions not to be attorney general. >> you think president trump's next pick would be better? >> we can have that fight. but jeff sessions in major areas is trying to pull us in the wrong direction. >> elizabeth warren sending president trump back to summer school. nobody wants an f. thanks for joining me. >> take care. up next, much more from donald trump's explosive and i'm going to say it bizarre interview with "the new york times." how he defends the correlation between don junior's russian meeting and his attacks on hillary clinton. but today we've been talking about it all morning. today is the six-month mark for president trump. one thing he does get very high marks for is the stock market,
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hillary clinton and i said, i mean, that's standard political stuff. >> did you know at the time that they had the meeting? >> no, i didn't know anything about the meeting. >> that's not standard political stuff. that was more of president trump's interview with "the new york times" talking about his son and son-in-law's meeting with the russian lawyer. this comes after the white house and trump's political team said president trump was not aware of any meeting between his son, don junior, and a russian lawyer. kate kelly and jason johnson. kate, president trump is saying he heard about the request for the meet bug then saying he didn't know about the meeting. are voters going to buy this? >> i don't know if they will, but i'm not sure his base will give a darn. i mean, i think it's more of the same. i mean, he doesn't use e-mail, right so, he goes off memory many times. he has aides that help prefresh his memory when he needs that. in this case, you could make a case that he knew about it or didn't know about it. he then goes on to say, well,
you know, i talked often on the stump about -- i often beat up hillary clinton and talked about her ties to russia and receiving money for speeches and so on. so he tries to sort of equivocate. it's just not clear. >> let's play that because it doesn't necessarily matter if it's his voters who care. does robert mueller care? listen. >> you give speech that night saying you're going to gave speech about how hillary clinton's corrupt dealings with russia and other countries, and that comes just three hours after don junior -- >> number one, remember, i made many of those speeches. >> people wondered about the timing. >> i go after it all the time. >> this is ahead of their visit to capitol hill. don junior, paul manafort, jared kushner. to simply say that this is politics, we learned from "the new york times" paul manafort in the hole to russian interests 17 million bucks pap few nice meetings and a tip of the hat, that would sure help clear that kind of dough. >> just quickly, start of peter baker to bring up the time line. he wrote a story on this last week.
it was three hours late they're he promised a big bombshell on this topic so that is somewhat damning. >> at this point it's hard to believe this all happened in the building that he didn't know that he detective know in advance, we've fot 8 million people, the number of people at this meeting, manafort, kushner, boris and natasha, smirnov, everybody was in this room. >> yakov smirnoff was not in the room. >> at this point i wouldn't doubt it nap's the thing. it's so disingenuous. i have to say this. this idea that this is just common politics, you get this e-mail, if anybody here got an e-mail from a deposed african prince saying i got $20 million for you, you don't respond to that either. the president to suggest from a foreign enemy that it was just okay that he would, this is a problem. >> nigerian e-mail scammers, get don junior's e-mail address. >> exactly. >> without sounding like an apologist for the president, i think this is yet another reflection of his inexperience in politics, his somewhat narrow experience of running a private family real estate organization.
think about how he thinks about things and how he free associates. the topic of rod rosenstein comes up. he's ticked off because rosen steep is from baltimore where there are very few republicans. that's his reaction. he's not thinking in a sort of thoughtful, logical way. >> for republicans. listening to this. the only take-away should be opportunity lost. this was an opportunity of a lifetime for republicans to get to their agenda. and listen to what the president said when asked about his ties with russian businessmen. it's extraordinary. >> i mean, it's possible there's a condo or something, so, you know, i sell a lot of condo units and somebody from russia buys a condo, who knows? i don't get any money from russia. they said i own buildings in russia. i don't. they said i made money from russia. it's not my thing. i don't do that. >> no one said he owns buildings in russia. they said he got money from russia. he's a licenser. he doesn't build them and pay
for them himself. >> i have to say i think the condo point is a smart point because it's a good way to explain there might be some links there, i have connections to many, many real estate units in the u.s. and beyond if some russians bought my condo, that might be a legitimate and irrelevant thing to this investigation. he's kind of doing what he does, which is here, media, follow the ball this way, and investigation is happening over here. >> media won't fall for this nonsense but robert mueller can quickly find out if all these condos are sold to shell companies, sold at off-market properties like his estate in palm beach he buys for 40 and sells for 90. in i'm robert mueller, i don't look the other way. >> he'll fire robert mueller before anything happens and the republican party will sit there with their hands in their pockets and say we didn't know what to do. >> correct. >> how low can you go. >> i don't know. >> he loves the hip-hop. we have to take a break.
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can't forget o.j. today. in a few hours, a western nevada correctional facility will hold what many are calling the parole hearing of the century. after serving nine years for armed robbery and other charges, o.j. simpson will appear via video link before a parole board 130 miles away. simpson needs just four of the six commissioners to vote for parole to become a free man. nbc's katie beck is in nevada with more. how long before we can can expect a decision? >> this decision is expected to be handed down fairly quickly, within an hour or so of the hearing's completion, we're told. that hearing will take place in carson city. simpson will be here at the facility, video conferenced in. he will be in a room with about 15 other people, some of his own supporters, his daughter, his sister are expected to attend as well as a friend, his attorney and a case worker will all be in that room with simpson. he will be able to address the board, make his case for why he
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the president now? >> no. i don't, no i don't have nothing to say to him. >> let's remember, general john kelly deployed his considerable stature to back trump and frame this as fight between a serious president and loud, lying member of congress. then the tape surfaced showing it was kelly who had his facts wrong and today miss johnson's remarks it show you you can take congresswoman out of the picture and still have word of grieving mother contradicting the word of president. a president who has broken records for his misleading and false statements in office. general kelly, it is not too late for you. you can correct this record so we can all move on. but asking people to move on without correcting the record isn't moving on at all. in fact it is contrary to the
accountability required. no person is above checks and balances. joining me, joint call from cbc urging general kelly to apologize for blatant lies about congresswoman johnson. first niger. former terror intelligence officer and long-time journalist, author of "fantasyland," relevant to part of this debate. malcolm, what do you make of where this goes now, military trying to do relatively serious but nonpartisan briefings with the undertow of a president who continues to want to submerge everyone in what appear to be falsehoods? >> right now department of defense and special operations command and africa command will
be doing deep dive after action reports to get to the bottom of how this ambush formed, how the personnel on the ground managed the fight on the ground. and there's one thing missing from the story, sergeant johnson got separated at some point but managed to move a mile away from the contact point. that shows he was fighting on the move, fighting and evading as single man unit. and defense department is going to investigate that and going to want to know how he got separated, what kind of combat support was brought in and whether it could be done faster. but there are two stories here, political story and story of the four heroes on the ground and special forces oda and how they managed to overcome overwhelming odds. all these stories will come out. >> here's what he said about the
information owed to the families. >> with regard to being transparent, i think we owe the families and american people transparence in incidents like this. >> how should that work malcolm, given something you understand better than most of us, aspects of this that are sensitive even as they say they want to rule out what happened so people know? >> to a certain extent we've had problems with this issue before. transparence of the administration when a loved one, member of the armed forces died. remember the issue with pat tillman in afghanistan, former nfl player who became a ranger, went into combat and initial report he was killed in combat by enemy force, turned out to be friendly fire. these issues should have been worked out in advance. these families deserve to know as much as humanly possible about the loss of their loved
deference of military officer and played that up making a false political attack. >> the congresswoman stood up in the long tradition of empty barrels making the most noise, sto stood up there in all of that and talked about how she was instrumental in getting the funding for that building. even for someone that is that empty a barrel, we were stunned. >> that attack stays on the record. video's been played. msnbc went to the trouble of playing entire video to see it in context and make up their minds. >> series of lies. only an issue when donald trump made it one in impromptu press conference by lying about is having written to almost every person who's died and lying about predecessors never calling survivors of dead soldiers and
marines. those two lies existed. general kelly gets out there, perfectly fine moving beginning of this thing, then pivots to this lie about what the congresswoman had done at dedication of the fbi building he attended a few years ago. it's extraordinary. this doesn't need to exist. the niger event is an event of a kind that happens. could have been put away. donald trump could have answered that initial press conference question with my heart is with the survivors and brave men who died. he wasn't asked a pressing question, just why haven't you said anything about this mr. president. >> right. >> and john mccain, military service, not a prerequisite but interesting to hear him go there. >> we drafted lowest income level of america and highest income level found a doctor that
what have we learned? what is your view where we go from here? and what is it incumbent on chief of staff john kelly to do now that the video has been exposed? >> general kelly can take the responsibility for admitting that he was wrong, that he had lied on the congresswoman. i think it's important for us all to work to get this behind us. first of all, make it absolutely clear our heart goes out to the families of all of the soldiers who were killed in niger. and we should let them know that not only do they have our condolences but we stand with them and appreciate the sacrifice they all are making. having said that, this president, president trump did it again. he has the most distorted leadership of any president i've ever known or heard about.
here he had the opportunity to make the condolence call, do it properly, recognize this family and their grieving and also to know the name of the soldier who had been killed. he did not remember the name, he didn't handle it well. and even if he had been counseled to talk about, perhaps, young people going into war, into service like this understand the risks involved. but he didn't do it correctly and he needs to admit that. first, he needs to apologize. he lied on other presidents that had gone on before him, saying they didn't do it as well as he did. that he called everyone. and in typical trump fashion gets off the phone, is challenged and backtracks, tries to call all those families, gets
his personnel to identify all the families who have lost members in service to this country and then he tries to make up by sending some kind of a letter or note to them. it is so unconsonable in the way he handles leadership. and general kelly has had a great career and have his career basically unmined by the president of the united states because he's trying to protect and stand up for the president when the president did not deserve to be stood up for, he's damaged himself. his credibility is at question. he needs to call the congresswoman and apologize. he lied on the congresswoman. he said he was there, he said he heard her, and then, when the video clip was played that basically demonstrated exactly what she said and how she said
it, it was obvious that he had lied. so he needs to apologize. if the president will apologize to mrs. johnson and if general kelly will apologize to congresswoman, i think we can put this behind us. but until that is done, it is not going to go away. you're absolutely correct. all of the women of the congressional black caucus have come together and we're demanding an apology. we're sick and tired of women being undermined, dismissed, and black women in particular being called named. she was called wacky, fredericka wilson an honorable member of the house of representatives that we all respect. >> i followed the cbc, does a lot of work on policy, is it your view she was treated differently because of her race and gender? >> i think it goes along with
it. he seems to have this tendency to talk down to people of color, to treat them with disrespect. and i think this adds to it. i think the fact that first of all, he called her wacky, secondly, that he didn't back down, that he simply talked about her in a way that was not respectful. i think that yes, i think is adds to the suspicion of him and the way that he thinks about minorities and black people in particular. >> congresswoman waters, thanks for coming on "the beat." >> you're welcome. thank you. coming up, interview with top putin critic found himself put on the most wanted list, kremlin silencing critics using global policing. and bill o'reilly's handling of sexual harassment lawsuits. talk about that and women's rights in the trump era.
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is scrutinizing tony podesta, brother of john podesta, the issue being the russian friendly ukrainian political projects that hired paul manafort and podesta's company. mueller not commenting as usual but trump is. new interview, says nobody at doj has asked for interview. >> there's a report that you're legal team is saying yes, do a interview with robert mueller. is that what you're going to do? >> nobody has asked me to do that, i don't know. there is no collusion. i can tell you. >> joined now, betsy, we're seeing in dribs and drabs. people who follow this come across your name as one of the reporters breaking these stories. that investigation is
proceeding. podesta news shows that interviews confirmed with reince priebus and sean spicer show that. what else are you seeing? is it relevant if the president will testify? >> it's relevant to ask if the president could be in on this. in the past, waco debacle, had a phone conversation to interview then president bill clinton. there's precedent for moouler to speak with trump. can't predict it. over the last week and likely for next two weeks, current and former white house staff are sitting down for interviews with mueller and his team and that's a legally risky situation. likely to be fbi agents present for the interviews. if any of the white house staff answering questions deliberately lie could face legal liability. some folks close to the white
house want to suggest this podesta news means mueller changed focus, reality is it's complex, bigger than most reports can explain in clear bay and not likely to be over soon. >> and there's reports that congressional side there's more partisan drama. bipartisan accounting appears to be dwindling. republicans looking to wrap it up. shift from the beginning where it looked bipartisan. >> they have elections coming up. want to wrap things up. not pretty topic for republicans regardless of where they stand. has to do with russia's interference in the election. significant news about mueller investigating podesta.
this transcends politics. mueller is not a political hack. evidence that something big is going on here. also work going on before president trump announced candidacy. whether or not it benefits trump remains to be seen. not a rabbit hole though. first glances looks like might be rabbit hole and unrelated to probe and going down political channels but it's not. it's all connected to paul manafort, president trump's campaign chair. noose is tightening on manafort. >> speaking to experts on the foreign agents registration act is fun to do. >> not many of them. they said fact that rachel maddow is doing reports on fara is amazing to them. >> that's the law that could hit
the podesta group. look at motivation, bob mueller will go where he goes. argument is could be good news for donald trump if there's no findings of collusion, anybody else hit on the playing field, can get rid of staff. he's done that. >> mueller is going to follow where it leads but rod rosenstein, number two at justice department will have to make big decisions. regulation for special counsel dictates if mueller or anybody else finds evidence of a crime outside the scope of his or her mandate, may have to go to attorney general, rod rosenstein in this case to decide what to do with that evidence. rosenstein could be in the position of deciding what to do with what mueller and team find here. another piece that's important,
work that podesta group was doing on behalf of ukrainian clients is really troubled human rights folks and former american diplomats. they were trying to convince the lawmakers that the ukrainian electricities were above board, clean and good election. while it happened, podesta group clients had political opponents in prison. propaganda peddling that deeply frustrated human rights a activists and people who cared about good government in ukraine. >> some of that goes to lot of things in washington that may be legal or on the line that could disgust the average observer and investigator digging into it, regardless of policy. shelby holliday, betsy wood rough, thanks again.
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reproductive health. discuss with cecile richards, director of planned parenthood. but "new york times," blockbuster story of $32 million settlement coming from former fox news analyst. in perspective, wrongful death settlement is a fifth of that, about $6 million. nbc has not independently verified the amount and o'reilly denies it. saying this to the two "new york times" reporters who broke the story. >> we have physical proof that this is bull [ bleep ]. this is bull [ bleep ]. this is horrible what i went through, what my family went through. this is crap, and you know it. it's politically and financially motivated. and we can prove it with
shocking information. >> that is part of o'reilly's side as well as his denials which we've reported. another side, former fox news host who came out today speaking on "megyn kelly today". >> i'm terrified, i don't know why i'm about to cry. it is just difficult, many women go into the settlement agreement because they just don't want to face what potentially could be coming at them. again, dealing with a corporation, filled with people who are going to do everything they possibly can to make sure that they win and you don't. >> and i'm joined by cecile richards. what is your accounting of all these allegations stacking up and coming out. >> horrifying, beginning with harvey weinstein stories and continuing on. as you're seeing across the country, not a woman in america
who isn't now reliving some experience. i just really want to thank the women who have been brave enough and had the courage to come forward. it's establishing how prevalent this is. and frightening thing, how prevalent it may be even with the policies of the u.s. government. >> right. and when women know it's prevalent and epidemic or seen as something that you sadly must get through, and must deal with and get on with in work environment, what does it take to make men aware of how prevalent this is? seems to be a group of people doing pred dags, that's bad and group of people silently enabling it or in denial how prevalent it is. >> we see this at planned parenthood every day, treat women who have survivors of sexual assault and domestic
violence. and it is good to see male allies speaking up but having a government denying women access to reproductive rights and health care like texas makes it more disturbing. and young woman in texas is literally held hostage by the trump administration. >> walk us through this. undocumented individual, who would otherwise typically have the right to at least medical treatment and care, in this case -- put up headline. detained immigrant asking full appeals court to let her get this apportion. >> young woman apprehended, put into a shelter in texas, found out soon thereafter she was pregnant. said immediately i want to terminate this pregnancy. went through the judicial bypass, in texas it's difficult for young women to get abortion, agreed to by judge, scheduled for september 28th and the trump
administration began to get involved. still held hostage, denied legal right to terminate a pregnancy, tip of iceberg. >> trying to make example out of her? >> obviously she is an example, there is litigation going on and folks involved in trying to help this young woman get the health care she deserves. what is exposing who this administration put in charge of the government. scott lloyd in charge of unaccompanied minors and refugees, personally taking an interest in denying her access to abortion. told the center where she's living she couldn't get medical care and insisted she go to antiabortion center to talk her out of the decision she had made. >> also a leaked memo from the trump administration claimed by crooked media, they do a podcast and other things, want to take
money from women's health care and encourage people to do fertility awareness birth control. >> there was something called rhythm method, before women had access to birth control. >> happy to learn from you. >> don't want to go this direction. keep women from using birth control and use rhythm method and hope for the best. >> that's crazy right? >> well, what it results in is of course millions of unintended pregnancies -- >> this is the thing. isn't that what they're opposed to? >> we're at historic low for teenage pregnancy and 30 year low because of the work of planned parenthood and folks who provide birth control. they're trying to undo that and reduce the family planning program that millions of women rely on successfully to plan their families.
all part and parcel of administration who put people putting their own politics ahead of the health and well-being of women. that's really scary. >> having you on is like sit down in the chair, we learn so much from you. >> good to see you. thank you so much. coming up, american-born businessman targeted by vladimir putin speaking out. he has inside intel he says on what kremlin organizers were doing with the trump tower meeting. that's next. endless shrimp is here with flavors you'll love.
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new allegations tonight that vladimir putin aabusing an international law enforcement organization, interpol, to target a critic and try to bar him from entering the u.s. bill brouder. an american-born financier that works in london and political foe of vladimir putin. trump tower meeting, browder's -- sanctions in sfons that death. browder is saying that putin is putting him on fugitive list through interpol and thinks that trump administration responded by denying him paperwork he needs to visit the u.s. trump administration is playing against that. but prospect that he's doing
anything that putin wants is drawing outrage. pushing to clear it up. top house democrat saying immediately reverse the decision. browder is at center of other russian things. act is new development. >> did you know what the mcginnity act was? >> never heard of it. >> but bill browder has worked to punish putin for years. >> dedicated years to uncover the truth. >> bill drbrowder. >> for years putin's champion but turned into dogged adversary. >> thank you for joining, i know it's busy time for you. under the trump administration
today customs and border patrol put out a statement you have valid authorization. what is your response and what happened to get to this point. >> first of all, i'm not sure it's true. read the statement, based on the time line, they claimed to have cleared it up wednesday the 18th of -- last wednesday. but i didn't get my revocation of my ability to travel to america until thursday. so i think there's still some issues to be ironed out. i'm very happy that the authorities in the u.s. want to solve this problem. they don't want to basically become putin's -- fall into putin's hands as using -- becoming a tool for putin to punish me. but this whole incident has left a little bit of a bad taste in my mouth. >> do you belong on the interpol
list? >> person who belongs on the interpol list is vladimir putin. vladimir putin is a criminal, he's a killer, and he was responsible for covering up the murder of sergey mag nisky, my lawyer killed in police custody in 2009 and crazy and ironic that instead of him as criminal, he tries to label me as criminal and have interpol try to arrest me to be sent back to russia. insanity. >> you've been a leader on stuff for a while, sometimes people say kafkaesque to refer to literary criticisms of unjust systems, wondering if have to describe it as putinesque, lawyer died in russian prison under questionable circumstances
but reading, new accusation cartoonish details. russian officials say you that you colluded with british agent to cause the death to persuade the russian prison doctors to withhold care. your response. >> that's about the silliest thing i've ever heard. and to add one more element to it, according to their version, i did all that terrible stuff and spent the last eight years traveling all over the world fighting for justice and trying to get the people who killed him prosecuted. says to me putin is losing his mind a little bit here. gotten so crazy about the sanctions in place, u.s. m magnitski act. putin hates it so much, starting to go crazy. he has a lot of huge money in the west and this particular
piece of legislation potentially freezes and seizes that money. >> stay with me. bring in former u.s. ambassador to russia, michael mcfaul who spoke out about this as it was breaking. ambassador, your view, latest, trump administration asserting they thought they cleared this up, before browder saying that doesn't add up and claim that maybe the sanctions are hurting vladimir putin's pocketbook. >> with respect to dhs and state department saying and what bill knows, i'm glad they're taking it seriously and should get it cleared up right away. i consider it an embarrassment to my government and country there was any ambiguity about the fact that bill browder should be able to travel to our country. larger thing, of course bill is
right. i've listened to vladimir putin talk about the law. he doesn't like it for all the reasons bill just said. therefore bill is one of his enemies. you see by this action, he will use any means that he can to try to go after his enemies. we need to be vigilant in fighting against them. >> bill, you've clashed with the putin government, they remain part of the investigation into among other things trump tower meeting. based on your knowledge, do you believe he was directly orchestrating that infamous meeting at trump tower with trump campaign leadership? >> i have no doubt in my mind that putin was doing everything he could to try to influence u.s. policy. particularly policy towards these sanctions. when this meeting was set up,
when the lawyer got that meeting, you can be absolutely assured that putin was involved in the planning and execution of that meeting. it was too important an interaction for putin not to have been involved in. he's a kgb officer, they don't leave anything to chance, plan everything out to the last detail in the kgb. >> and you're view is based on your knowledge, that's not something to be freelinessed at lower level and for our viewers, you've crossed paths with the russian-linked lawyer. do you have biases with her or can you separate the financial differences with how the kremlin runs the operations? >> i haven't had bias against the lawyer or financial disagreement s with her. i was working with the u.s. department of justice, witness in a criminal and civil case in which the u.s. department of justice froze money from the
crime that sergei magnitski witnessed in russia and her company had frozen. when i see a woman representing accused money launderers and she's trying to change u.s. law, this is not bias, it's stating this is absurd that a russian can be running around trying to spend millions of dollars influencing u.s. policy and think that's okay and not report it under any of the reporting guidelines required when you do that stuff in washington. >> final word from you ambassador. sanctions we hear not enough or irrelevant sometimes is the claim. >> two things on that. one, economists have tried to measure the impact on the economy and differ on that. everybody believes they're having economic affect on
russia. whether 1% of gdp or .5%. everybody sees that. evidence is much easier. why if they're not working is vladimir putin trying so hard to lift them? why sending vesel nit skyia to meet with the trump campaign to talk about lifting sanctions if he doesn't believe they're having an effect? to me it's straightforward they are having an effect. >> you have a way of cutting through it, even with all the names to keep track of. and bill browder, i know it's late in london, thank you both for joining. >> thank you. >> thank you. still ahead, conclusive interview with motley crue's nikki sixx. bottling opioid addiction next on "the beat." butch is like an old soul that just hates my guts. (laughs)
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drugs and drinking. and i adhered to that. i lived that kind of a lifestyle. and it worked until it quick working. i say that to a lot of addicts that, you know, it does quit until it quits working. and it will quit working eventually. >> and you've been a voice for a lot of people. obviously people look up to you. they love your music. music brings people together. you're trying to start a broader conversation. i notice with the reissue of the book, you also have this map on your website, sort of a heat map. and you want people to share their experiences. and we can see the dots around the country. explain that. >> yeah. well, what's cool about the heat map is people can anonymously go on and plug in their location and write their story or read other people's story. and also you can get a lot of data on the state of the epidemic that we're living in right now. >> and when you look at this as something that has a policy component, right, how do you
compare from your view as an advocate what is going on in the opioid crisis to maybe some of the drugs that were proliferating when you were coming up as a rock star? >> well, when i was coming up, so far as i know, there were no pill forms of heroin. if there were, i was never introduced to it, thank god. but a lot of people that are dealing with addiction right now, they're dealing with it on a pain pill level. and it's being prescribed to them usually for a good reason, for dealing with pain itself. but then when they're overprescribed and insurance companies are lax in following up on whose giving these prescriptions filled and how many prescriptions can be filled at a time, i know cvs recently talked about only releasing one week worth of pain pills at a time so people can't abuse them and can't also sell them to people who are -- they're in high demand. they're very expensive. and when people can't get these pills, then they're then going to interest street.
and then you're dealing with needles and unregulated drugs. and you have a lot of overdoses there as well with the medications being prescribed. >> there is a lifestyle aspect to this. but there is also a creative part. as you know, a lot of people in creative industries run into this. >> yeah. >> they come from i bayous. sometimes people say yeah, maybe i don't need it. but i think i play better with it, or i'm more secretive wi crt and have more fun with it. are you getting more done now when you're sober or how do you compare when you weren't? >> i was thinking about 1987 and how i was barely able to get an album done and a tour. and actually the tour was canceled, the last part of the tour. and in 2017, i'm able to do a radio show, write books, do photography, be a better husband, a father. and be part of these conversations that are happening. i really think the sobriety gives you more energy and more creativity. >> i love it. i love that part of what you've
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9:00 in the east, 6:00 a.m. out west. here's what's happening. taxing situation. the battles that lie ahead, the gop gets ready to rewrite the u.s. tax code. we're going to tell you about one idea that could keep high earners from getting a big break. gone but not forgotten, the lives of four american soldier were remembered this weekend while the search for answers intensifies. new insight into why so many troops are in africa and what their mission is. you knighted front. for the first time in years, five former presidents gather on stage at the same time. what prompted the gathering and how it helped so many in need. but we begin with politics and president trump's ongoing feud with democratic congresswoman frederica wilson, entering the sixth day with the president ramping up his attacks in a tweet again this morning saying wacky congresswoman wilson is the gift that keeps on giving for the republican party, a disaster for dems. you watch her in action and vote r. in a series of tweets last night, president trump focus ed
error. as josh said, he could have handled this so much better by saying, if i was misunderstood, i apologize, i respect the service. and instead he's elevated it into this national week long fight that has no end in sight. he went after a gold star family on the campaign, this is territory he's gone down before and knows it doesn't end well. he's incapable of restraining himself and admitting any kind of error, apologizing in any kind of way. >> to the tweet about the dossier, the president again asking the justice department to interfere in the russia investigation, which is centered on him and his campaign. is this another sign of president trump feeling the heat or do you think these tweets feel a little different to you? >> the strange thing to me is that the president seems a lot more focused on the dossier than almost anybody else. it is really -- it seems to have shaken him through the whole investigation, unprompted and insisting that what is in the dossier is not true.
time, similarly to the conversation about the johnson family, he's incapable of avoiding making anything about himself. >> and in terms of people paying for things, these tweets came out less than an hour after the washington post put out that report on the president pledging $430,000 to help pay the legal fees for some of his aides. is that what the tweets are all about, what can you tell us about the pledge, $430,000 seems like a small amount for legal fees. >> in this line of work it is not much at all. this pledge comes after the rnc paid roughly that amount in legal fees. there was controversy about that, people giving money to the rnc doesn't know the money goes to lawyer and not campaign activities. but you're right, it is not very much money. i talked to somebody in the clinton white house wrapped up in that scandal there. they were not directly connected to anything close to the millon
and says you can have a tax cut that leads up to $1.5 trillion in deficit increases over the next decade. and then following that, it has to reduce the deficit or not increase it. that creates the box in which they have to write the tax reform bill. they have to argue about what to do with the space inside the box. there is a lot of competing interests, even among republicans on the hill. rand paul has been out there attacking the plan for the fact that it raises taxes on many middle income families. the plan needs to be substantially changed to hold the families harmless. john mccain skeptical, people sometimes forget he voted against both of the bush tax cuts. senator bob corker, retiring senator from tennessee, has been saying he doesn't want a tax plan that raises the deficit at all. people can change their minds about things, can compromise but also a number of other people like senator mike lee from utahed are voluntary cautah ed advocating a larger child tax
credit. the plan as written according to the tax policy center would lead to more than $2 trillion in deficit increases. you have people saying they want to give out new goodies, you have people who want a bigger child credit, you need to take stuff away to fit things in the box. so that's going to be the really hard political part, making those decisions about who wins and who loses and that's what i think makes it really difficult to actually get a tax reform done, if you did the plan as it is now, you have 25% of american families actually paying more taxes than under current law by 2026. that would be very unpopular, the changes you have to make to avoid that unpopularity. >> the way this will potentially squeeze 401(k) plans, that will be a huge discussion point. your concerns as well on this? >> i think they're trying to thread a very thin needle here. passed with the thinnest of margins, the budget before we get to taxes. the president and the white house have been reaching out aggressively to democrats that are up for re-election in states
that trump won. so far no real success there. so it looks like they have to do this almost entirely with just that 52 vote republican majority. very, very thin, they already lost rand paul. it is going to be really tough. >> josh and alex, good to see you both. thank you. to the investigation in niger, new attack there, saturday left 13 paramilitary police officers dead, gunmen on trucks and motorcycles crossed the border and fired on a security base. hans nickles is in washington with more with what officials want to know about that attack. good morning. >> reporter: good morning. the families continue to mourn, congress is preparing to ask some hard questions next week, not only about this specific mission, but the overall strategy this that is putting american troops at risk in
africa. army sergeant la david johnson was laid to rest saturday near his home in florida. his pregnant widow kissing his casket as she held an american flag. johnson was killed in an ambush in niger earlier this month with three of his comrades, his body found one mile from the ambush site, 48 hours after the deadly attack. there was hope he was still alive with his beacon emitting a signal. the new york times reports that some nigerian officials say the army convoy spotted and chased insurgents until they crossed into neighboring mali. the times adds that the american soldiers did not mention giving chase. and they claimed they were ambushed and surrounded by insurgents outside a village. possibly tipped off by tribal leaders who they were meeting. all week, pentagon officials have insisted that u.s. forces
aren't in niger to hunt extremists. >> our missions are advise and assist, we are not directly involved in combat operations. >> reporter: a senior congressional aide tells nbc news the ambush stemmed in part from a massive intelligence failure. congress now demanding more information on counterterrorism missions across africa. >> have to keep us informed so we can make good decisions about do we want 1,000 soldiers in niger? if we don't want them, the way to deal with it is to cut off funding. >> reporter: the commander told congress earlier this year he had only a quarter of the reconnaissance flights he needed. >> the readiness of the airplanes has gotten better. but when you go from 12 to 6, the capacity is cut in half. and the impact, we have to do a better job coordinating and sharing assets because the continent is extremely large. >> yes, sir. >> reporter: there are roughly 800 u.s. troops in niger, most of them building a drone base, which will serve as a hub for a
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of new york, he sits on the judiciary and budget committees. with a big welcome to you, sir. does the white house have a point there? is there a line that should be drawn when it comes to topics like this when they're so personal. >> a line that should be drawn and the one that broke through that line and highly inappropriate way was donald trump, the president, as well as the white house. i'm stunned that the white house chief of staff would make the decision to engage in character assassination against congresswoman wilson, a long-standing, well known civic advocate, activist, down in south florida. i'm stunned that to justify that character assassination the white house chief of staff would functionally lie about the speech that congresswoman wilson delivered back in 2015 during the building dedication and stunned at the fact that on the same day that sergeant la david johnson would be funeralized that the commander in chief, donald trump, will be at the --
not at the white house, will be playing golf and attacking congresswoman wilson who is sitting at the funeral. >> would you be appeased, would you think the majority of americans who take offense to this whole tit for tat back and forth, would they be appeased if general kelly were to say i misremembered what happened in that speech at the fbi build ing dedication and i apologize for my mistake? >> that would be the right thing to do. doesn't appear that the white house has ever had any interest in apologizing or clarifying misinformation or misstatements that have come out of 1600 pennsylvania avenue. we all assume that the adult in the room is general kelly. and he would be the one to take that type of mature step, hopefully we'll see it in the week to come. we have a whole host of issues that we need to get behind in terms of this particular drama that has been inflicted upon the american people, we need to deal
with tax rae foeform, strengthe the affordable care act, protecting the dreamers, the white house has us mired in conflict, controversy and confusion. >> i want to ask you about a political report saying that the president is personally interview ed two candidates, this for jeffrey berman and ed mcnally. the white house is saying it is the president who is making these nominations. so since they're candidates, he has the right to speak to them and figure out and try to decide for their position on things. but it has been raising concerns. can you chalk this up to political novice on behalf of the president or more? >> i doubt it. it seems to be of concern to a lot of people who are interested in good government and the even handed administration of justice. these u.s. attorneys functionally focus their energies as a chief law enforcement officer for their
particular jurisdiction. manhattan happens to be the home of donald trump. and what is troubling about it is this evidence of an effort to help shape the mentality and the mind set of the individual who will be eventually confirmed as the top law enforcement officer, because the president is concerned about the investigation into his campaigns' possible collusion with russian spies, interfering with the election, it will be best just to leave the process alone, make sure that it is not political, as every other president in the history of the republic with the possible exception of richard nixon has done. >> it is my understanding that president obama never conducted any of these candidacy interview s, is that correct? >> that's correct. as far as i understand it. neither did george w. bush or george h.w. bush or ronald reagan or bill clinton. >> house is gearing up for big
legislation. you mentioned it. tax reform. top of mind of many certainly. in the coming weeks, look, there will be a lot of debates about this idea of a fourth tax bracket we heard about. house speaker paul ryan says the idea is to put that in place to make sure high earners don't get a big drop in their income tax requirements. so is this something you are on board with? >> well, i'm on board with focusing on trying to create better jobs, better wages and better future for the american people and part of creating that better future which is what house democrats are all about is making sure that tax reform is done from the middle out. if anyone deserves a tax cut in america, it is the middle class. what appears to be happening is that president donald trump, republicans in the house and the senate, continue to put forward this failed theory of trickle down economics. where there is an argument if you cut taxes for the wealthy and the well off, everyone else will benefit. the problem is that there is no evidence of that having
happened. if anything, what you do is you explode the deficit, the wealthy and well off save the money, put it into things other than creating jobs for middle class americans, and wages will remain stagnant. that was the record of george w. bush, that was the record during ronald reagan's tax cuts and if it happens again, it will fail again. we'll do everything we can to stop it. >> i want to ask you about former president obama on the campaign there in the gubernatorial race in virginia. among the theory that -- or concerns that black voter enthusiasm is waning, they say the sentiment goes beyond that of virginia, and new jersey, and more should be done by the party about all of this. what are your thoughts? >> well wi, certainly in the context of president barack obama's historic eight-year tenure, he was always going to be a very difficult act to follow because he would naturally be a vehicle to create a great deal of enthusiasm among
african-americans, people of color, young people and many others across the united states. jackie robinson who broke the color barrier was a tough act to follow. but that said it would be issue that i think will be important in driving african-american turnout moving forward and we can all do a better job of speaking to the concerns of the african-american community, higher rates of unemployment than anyone else in this country, the mass incarceration phenomena, the voter suppression, the rise of the alt-right and the white supremacist movement in america, all issues that we're going to be sensitive to, speak to, with a laser like focus, and in the aftermath of president obama's tenure in office, those will be the issues that will drive african-americans to the polls, to turn things around in this country. >> thank you so much for the conversation. i appreciate it. still ahead, bill o'reilly firing back at a new york times report of a multimillion dollar settlement and the amount will
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president for the decision to send the loved one into a theater of war. these are really, really tough. however, a family that is grieving always has the upper hand. a family that is grieving gave the ultimate sacrifice and so for anyone, whether the president of the united states or any elected official to criticize that or to question that goes beyond the pale, no question about it. >> there is a great story about -- not great, but very indicative story of how difficult it is for president george w. bush, when he had to make a condolence call, he came away from marine one and had a tear rolling down his cheek and said they hate me he because the family just yelled and yelled over their pain. to your point, these are very difficult calls to make. but marjorie, once the criticisms came in, couldn't the president have taken the high road, are his whispers telling him that attacking a congresswoman who happens to be close to a gold star family in mourning fires up his base or what is it? >> well, i feel like the
president brought this upon himself when he started politicizing it from the beginning, criticizing the way obama -- well, obama didn't call everyone the way i did. he opened the doors to a conversation that should have never been had. these should be intimate moments between a president and grieving families. every president has handled it differently. and by opening that door, he already takes away the intimacy and the care that came from that moment to begin with. absolutely it is problematic. it shouldn't be talked about in this way. it makes me sad that we're parading these people's grief around and that the president can't, you know, act like an adult and just be gracious and let the moment ride. >> we have to talk about the privacy of the phone calls and the fact that the congresswoman, she was in a car, with the family, with whom she's very close to. the widow of la david johnson got the phone call, put it on speaker, so her mother and the congresswoman who i believe was riding in the back seat as the story goes could hear what was being said.
so she made a lot of this public. did she not? >> yes, but i will say that the conversation around how calls were handled which started when the president talked about i call everyone and president obama didn't call everyone and, again, these calls should have stayed private and became public, and in the same way that when, you know, president trump offered $25,000 to one of the fallen soldier's fathers, and then the money never arrives, he goes to the press, so he's made what were private moments very public, which has invited the recipients to also bring that to the press. this has become a media storm where it wasn't one before. that in itself is a sad, sad state of affairs. one that he brought on himself. >> yes, robert. >> just very quickly, if i was the white house press secretary or senior adviser in the white house, this is what i would have done. i would have said, mr. president, the widow and the family has the right to do whatever they want with that call. that's their call.
we will be silent on this. this is a family that is grieving, please be quiet, don't say anything at all. >> okay. >> i think he should sign up for that press secretary job. >> no, no, no. >> he's like, not right now. don't want it. let's move on to with you marjorie to president having praised and then trashing a health care proposal. now he's pushing for a rightward shift that would get rid of the aca mandates. do you think he'll get his way? >> it is a daily flip-flop. i think it goes to the core of understanding the health care policy, which is -- just cost driven. the mandate was absolutely fundamental to making sure that cost was spread out among the sick and the healthy. and that's what it was in place for. republicans were at the inception of the aca bill. until everyone's covered, we don't have an even marketplace.
it rattles the core of the affordable care act. so dare we try to predict and look in a crystal ball to understand what trump will do next. the subsidies they were proposing had to do with keeping it afloat, keeping costs afloat. it is how do we fund this, and nothing about the way trump has approached this has made us feel like he understands the core of how the markets work around the affordable care act. >> so then, robert, is the president just setting himself up for another health care failure? >> well, i don't know if it is a health care failure from his mind. he did -- in fairness to him, he did campaign on repeal and replace, he did give republicans in the house and the senate three opportunities to be able to repair and replace this. and they failed in that regard. what he's doing here, and i agree with what she said a few moments ago, this is the fundamental foundation if you will, the affordable health care act. you need a pool of healthy people in the system to subsidize the sick people. that's the reality in the marketplace and how it works. the question becomes do you take
the heart out of the affordable health care act, does it collapse? i think it probably does under its own weight if in fact the president is successful. >> all right, well, thank you so much for weighing in on all of the topics. see you both again. word of another huge settlement involving sexual harassment allegations against bill o'reilly. a new york times report not verified by nbc news goes into detail about the $32 million settlement with a long time fox analyst. nbc's morgan radford has details. >> cautioun, you are about to n enter the no spin zone. >> reporter: according to a new york times report, o'reilly paid a $32 million settlement to lis wiehl, often seen on his top rated primetime show. the report alleges o'reilly had a nonconsensual sexual
relationship with wiehl, in a statement that fox admits they knew there was a settlement in january but was informed by mr. o'reilly he settled the matter personally, adding the terms were confidential and not disclosed to the company. one month later, fox extended o'reilly's four year contract for $25 million a year. >> at the time fox re-signed mr. o'reilly, it knew about the settlement, it was also trying to make the argument to the public, its employees and its board that it had cleaned up workplace issues that had arisen under roger ailes. >> this was the sixth payout made by o'reilly or fox to settle allegations against him. the company says the anchor's latest contract included a clause, saying it could fire him if other allegations came up, which, in the end, fox says it acted on when he was ousted in april. o'reilly continues to maintain its innocence, his attorney is calling today's report a smear campaign. last month, o'reilly speck to matt lauer. >> you said at the time you did
absolutely nothing wrong. you stand by that? >> i do. i never mistreated anyone on my watch in 42 years. >> that was nbc's morgan radford reporting. in the state, o'reilly's lawyer claims the new york times story ignored evidence taken under oath, adding the reporting was based on unsubstantiated allegations, anonymous sources and incomplete or stolen documents. president trump claims he contacted almost all of the gold star families of military personnel this year. but reports say an e-mail from the pentagon tells a different story. later this morning, joy reid talks to frederica wilson about the condolence call that has become so controversial. i'm ginny and i quit smoking
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pentagon for information about surviving family members of all service members killed after trump's inauguration so that the president could be sure to contact all of them. the e-mail was apparently sent after president trump said in a fox news radio interview he had contacted the families of, quote, virtually everybody in the military who died in service to the country since he took office. the associated press found that to be inaccurate. joining me now is chris, welcome back to the broadcast. what does this tell you about how the white house is operating behind the scenes? >> well, it is just more fallout from a terrible week for john kelly. he really -- this was a terrible blunder on thursday, a self-inflicted wound, when he went on that tirade against representative wilson. and got all of his facts wrong. but, you know, in fairness to kelly this is what happens to almost everyone in the orbit of this death star known as donald
trump, who diminishes and tarnishes everybody around him. this should have been an easy thing to do. with any other president, you call the widow back, you apologize, end of story. but this president is incapable of empathy, incapable of apology, and that has to be hugely frustrating to john kelly. >> speaking of kelly, he opened up about his own experience, you talk about empathy and sympathy for him, i don't think there was anybody whose heart didn't go out to him as he talked about having lost his own son in afghanistan. that notwithstanding, do you get a sense of how much influence he has or doesn't have in this white house? >> first of all, you know, he was eloquent on the subject of his son, he was eloquent on the subject of the fallen soldiers. but, again, he veered off and lost control when he went after representative wilson. and i think that, you know, as
for whether how much influence he has on donald trump, i talked to denis mcdonough, president obama's last chief of staff, who told me that he's been on the business end of some phone calls from general kelly and there is never any doubt that in his mind that he speaks hard truths. another former republican chief of staff told me, okay, if that's the case, how did rocket man get on to the teleprompter of the speech before the u.n. general assembly? that's malpractice by the white house chief of staff or evidence that donald trump isn't listening to kelly. >> so, the comments by frederica wilson, the ones which john kelly has gone after, they have been proven to be inaccurate. he didn't speak the truth about what she said, whether intentionally or not. is it in his makeup as a four star marine general or as a chief of staff in a white house to issue an apology or do you think that is something that just is part of the either
within this white house, the fact that everyone says this president is incapable of issuing apologies. >> well, it is certainly part of the ether. i think we learned a number of things about john kelly this week. one thing we have learned is that he's out of his depth politically. the jim bakers, the leon panettas, the denis mcdonoughs, the really good white house chiefs of staff understood when you stand in front of a camera, you're not speaking as a marine, you're speaking as the white house chief of staff. you have to stay above the fray. even dick cheney, when he was gerald ford's 34-year-old white house chief of staff, his views were described as being to the right of ghengis khan and yet cheney was able to stay above the fray. he was always an honest broker, never would have known what his politics were, he never got into the trenches to fight the partisan battles. and that's a lesson that kelly, you know he, is apparently
unequipped for. he doesn't have political experience. >> the white house is still firmly defending general kelly as you know. you've got a top white house official telling axios that kelly made himself the moral core of the trump administration. do you agree with that assessment? >> that remains to be seen. i think another thing we learned about john kelly this week is a lot of people thought he was the nonideological grown-up in the room who would take the edge off of donald trump's excesses. well, maybe not so much. i think in that tirade that he went on against representative wilson, we got a sense that he may share more of donald trump's view s than we realized up to this point. it may not be a safe bet that he's always going to be the grown-up in the room here, taking the edge off of trump. >> okay, chris, thank you very much. we'll see you again no doubt. it has been 32 days since puerto rico's been without power and a majority of the island,
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what happens to the factories if there's sustained damage, what happens to the people that live near them? >> the environmental impacts of the aftermath of hurricane maria are tough to even determine whether it's industrial pollution or animal pollution. what we are seeing is that at this point there's very little monitoring, and what we know is that unfortunately a lot of the chemicals and contaminants end up in peoples' drinking water no matter where you are, and when you add the extra layer of the ca catastrophe brought on by maria, and a weak infrastructure, it could be a disaster. >> 18 superfund sites there in puerto rico. what is a superfund site and
what do they pose to people and the threats in the environment? >> there's a superfund site location is could be a long-term contamination of soil and water and other resources, and they recognize this could pose a serious threat to human health, and those are sites basically slated for cleanup, and what we know is that even some of the recently designated superfund sites are still being used as sources of drinking water, so we can only begin to imagine the magnitude of risks we are taking there. the truth is, unless there's continued testing, we are potentially leaving a lot of people very vulnerable if these sites are even considered from spots where people can draw any
drinking water. >> cleanup and ultimately getting puerto rico back in shape from an environmental perspective, how long is that going to take? >> it's anybody's guess, alex. it's likely to take a tremendous amount of time, probably years. in the immediate future, what i think we can look forward to and hopefully will have the epa's support and funding for the epa to get in there and duty work, to test and to analyze whether it's soil samples, drinking water, and to really assess what happened to a lot of dangerous industrial sites, coal, ash, et cetera, and even landfills after the hurricane, and how those might be affecting human health and the population because until we really know what we are dealing with, we are guessing and leaving a lot of people in really, really -- a really p
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boy. jeanie moss. cnn. new york. >> and don't forget you can watch anywhere. anderson starts next. we begin tonight with the president yet begin saying something that turns out not to be true and the white house covering for him. the white house official confirmed to cnn the west wing tried to -- after the president said this in the rose garden last week when asked why he hadn't said anything about the four u.s. soldiers killed. >> i've written them personal letters. they've been sent or they're going out today but we were doing the weekend. >> that was monday. on tuesday, the president said this on a radio interview. >> i have called i believe everybody but certainly i'll use the word virtually everybody where during the last month something happened. >> keeping hip honest he hadn't called virtually everybody and in an e-mail changed by role
>> the president tweeted in response. explain what he said. >> that's right, anderson. and point out we tried to ask the question this all day long in response to the widow of la david johnson. he had no comment multiple times throughout the day. after the interview was over he tweeted, i had a very respectful conversation with the widow of la david johnson and spoke his name from the beginning without hesitation. anderson, it goes without saying. it is highly unusual. it would have to be unprecedented i think, yarl a time where the president disagreed with a gold star member in this family. it's something unheard of the way the president deal with fallen soldiers. there is no credit tick he will not respond to and this was another example today. >> jim thanks very much.
humility. we haven't seen that yet. in these minor things that continue to build, and we've seen them over and over again where the president says something and makes excuses for why what he said wouldn't true. and he's found out later on. in this case it's gold star families. in previous cases it's been donations to the veterans. it's just a recure occurring thing. i'm sure people are starting to lose trust in small areas if they lose trust in small areas they're going to lose trust in big areas. >> bachelor ya -- gloria are these the thing that happen when you have a lack of experienced people in the white house? >> sure. one of the families of the fallen told atlantic that in fact they had heard from the secretary of defense, from john mccain but not the president. there's clearly a problem here. it may be bureau krask, it may
be the white house doesn't have the back up it needs to figure out how to do these things properly. and aside that you have a president who can't help by brag on himself, by saying oh i did it better that obama and the previous president. so you have a white house that's scrambling to make the president a truth teller when in fact he isn't in this case. it makes a bureau krask problem becomes a political problem. not to mention the personal problem it is for myesha johnson who felt hurt by the president of the united states and he continues to get into an argument with her. >> john, explain how the white house staff tries to fix this. in your piece you write about how they scramble try to make what president said true. >> well, they wanted the information about the 65
americans, subject to the e-mails that en -- they wanted the information, the notices of death for each of the 65 had died, not just killed in action b but on duty accidents. the people who should be most concerned about this are president trump's fellow republicans because if you want his agenda to advance, he's just shooting himself in the foot and really hurting his ability to do so. >> general hurtly. one of the officials says the reason this was a delay because a number of these deaths were part of multiple casualty incidents. discuss that complicate things? >> it doesn't make sense to me, anderson. there may be something i can't figure out in terms of how you process letters with multiple casualties. i'm sure what they're talking about is some of the one that is
died aboard ships. in combat i had mass casually exercises. i had one incident where eight soldiers were killed in one suicide attack. it's tougher when it's that many together, i just don't understand why it's being blamed on a snafu, doesn't make sense to me. but maybe i don't foe all the details. just general hurtly, there probably wouldn't be any outcry even from families if the president was waiting several weeks in order to call or write. it's the -- again it's the fact sort of brought this up, to gloria's point, bragging about how he handled this and the speed to which he handled that made this a story to which reporters are going to look into. >> yeah true. and here's the thing, anderson. the president is commander and chief, a commander can chose what ever way they want to reach out to people who suffer these kind of losses. i saw mrs. johnson this morning
on the news and it brought back a lot of memories for me. this is a young woman who is going through the toughest time she'll ever go through in her life, and to have this kind of crap thrown on top of it where she's at the center of a storm because of someone saying different things that just aren't true isn't fair to her. she's going through the stages of grief, she's a young woman. it really brought me back to time where i've been to so many memorial services and seeing young spouses who are mourning their soldier and it's just not fair to do these kind of thing. >> and you know whatever shelves, the only important thing is that she feels this way. it's not whether the president feels that what he -- that he was inaccurately portrayed or what ever. all any of us should care about is that she feels slighted in some way shape or form is and was made to cry. and for the life of me i just can't understand why the
president can't say, i'm sorry you feel this way, i'm we had a miss communication, your husband's a hero and i'm sort sory for your loss. i just don't get it. >> has e ever said he's sorry? identify never heard the words. >> well, yeah. >> that's what i'm saying, and we go back to the campaign and there was a time he was asked have you ever apologized for anything and he said no. unfortunately it's having some effect on the month morale. >> thank you all. appreciate it. the president's first controversy regarding gold star families dating back to the campaign, which i sr. khan. he joins us. knowing where you stand.
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case we see anymore in recent cases. religion, that seems to be gone as well. gold-star families i think that left in the convention over the summer. i just they the selfless devotion that brings a man or woman to die in the battlefield i just thought that would be sacred. >> president trump went off him and hi family as he spoke on behalf of hillary clinton. comments in her book memoir of hope. he joins us now. thank you for being with us. first of all when you heard general kelly make those comments i'm wondering what you thought. was do you think he was referencing to you? >> i don't know but he was doing the same thing he was complaining about. >> how's that? >> bringing gold-star families
their training and sacrifice to their political experience. in defense of donald trump in that moment of tragedy in america, with my four brave sons so bravely lost their lives under very difficult circumstances, instead of honoring them and restraining from political ex speed yenssy, citizen john kelly, we honor his service, his family's service but now he is a citizen of this nation. he was using those examples in a defense of donald trump. >> he was there in a political role making a police man statement. >> exactly. >> your four sons, you're referring to the service members killed in niger. they're your sons? >> they're all my sons. i don't wear this gold -- i wear
this gold star on behalf of thousands of my sons and daughters who have sacrificed their lives in defense of this country. to keep us safe, to protect us, protect our values, that is what i wear this pin. >> you feel that in your heart they are your sons? >> they are my sons. these families i have used two words and you have used those two words again, dignity, privacy. >> that's what they deserve? >> that is what they deserve. we would of called it that. we received the most dignity, respect and privacy. we were granted the privacy and same thing should be granted to them, that was not. >> we've debated how to even cover this entire situation over the last couple of days because of that very reason. and i keep coming back to, this would not even be a topic of
discussion, because it is such a private matter, had the president himself nod used there as a way to avoid questions about niger or praise himself about how he handle the families of the femalen and go after the former president. >> that is what i'm indicating towards the chief of staff. everyone knows, this nation knows how political expedient this president is. he uses every moment that he gets to self-grant diaz. they know his weakness, they know this flaw, they should have put a script in front of him to read from or should have advised him, this is not the moment temporary political expediency. that should have been the advise that was not needed. when they realized he had misstated, misquoted and
misspoken to this family, they should have immediately said most dignity, respect for the family and privacy. and we will talk about that some other day but not now. that was not done. >> instead the president just today tweeted out this morning. >> this is not ending. it is sad, it indicates something really it is and that is there is no campus in the white house. it is campusless ship on sail. whoever thinks we were told other day in the white house that we cannot of the media depress the -- democracy cannot question a military officer, that is not the tradition of the united states democracy. military officers when they serve honorably, they retire and go home and collect their pension, but not in these cases, especially john kelly.
he has come to defend, first he goes to dhs to implement the unconstitutional executive orders of donald trump that are challenged in the court system now. then he comes from there, white house and rest of the nation was hoping that there'd be some sanity, some direction, some campus to this white house but then he gets in the color of donald trump misstating thing, political expediency this is very unfortunate. >> you've written this new book america hope of sacrifice, you've spoken several times, are you optimistic about the future of this country and where this country's at? >> we just celebrated 230 years of celebration of our constitution of the values that are inshrined in these
documents. i have stood in front of the hopeful nation, i have gone community to community, other communities, political communities, i have stood in front of them, they're hopeful. this is the anomaly taken place in 2016, this is not our kashlgt, this is not our dna. this is -- country, this nation is made of goodness beacon of hope for the rest of the world as ronald reagan has said this is the shining country on the hill with walls around it and doors. and -- bring something to contribute to this nation, it is that nation that welcomes immigrants. i read the decoration and i explain all this in the book, i read the decoration of
independence in 1972 and i was in awe of the spirit of decoration of independence. there 1837 words in the decoration of independence. 13 grievances against the klummist. number 7 is my favorite, we change to our columnist he's now -- he is is hampering our decoration then. this administration practices that grievance, and they practice and make executive orders out of that, laws, policies, yes, to -- immigration but to demonize community, that's not america's dna. that is a message to who own this country. >> mr. khan appreciate talking to you. when we come back new details and why much still is not done with the soldiers.
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requested air support with approximately 50 isis affiliated fighters. >> my judgment would be that unit thought they could handle the situation without additional support. what we found out in the investigation exactly why it took the call. >> reporter: a u.s. drone already in the air nearby reached their position in minutes. jets responded next, arriving two hours after initial contact. though none conducted air strikes. in response to criticism that the military has not been forthcoming, did you know ford promised honest answers to the family and public. >> i think we owe the families and american people transparency in situations like this and we plan to life just that. >> as she said good-bye to her husband this week, the widow of la davis johnson hold nbc that she is waiting for answers as well. >> i don't know how or where he
got killed. >> reporter: still to be explained i why was johnson body recovered miles away from the attack. >> once we found out sergeant johnson was missing we brought the full weight government to try to recover his body. >> reporter: three weaks after the attack lawmakers are demanding details. >> americans should know what's going on and should know what cause the death of four young american. >> what the more than people need to know is what the relatively fall footprint we are enabling military forces to deal with this challenge. and to help them deal with the challenge so they'll destabilize their local area and region. >> johnson's widow says she wasn't able to see his body. what's the military protocol when it comes to something like this? >> in that press conference with
the general the most sober moment when he asked him that question. his an was there are times when the military suggest, that they not view the body. it's a subtle way of him conveying that sometimes they convey to the families, the body whether due to the nature of injuries or the times the body recovered would be difficult for family members and loved ones to see, and that appeared to be his message here. we asked the pentagon about this, by policy and practice they never tell a family you cannot view the body. legally the family maintains custody of the body throughout the whole process. the family including la david johnson's family always have the right to see the body says the general, at times they might be counselled that's something they don't want to do. that may be the tragic factor of
warfare. >> thank you. i spoke to the general of the air force who served in iraq and afghanistan. >> congresswoman what is the important question you think need to be answer about what happened in niger? >> well there was a lot of questions, why was the mission and lack of support. there's thing the military need to come forward with and it seems like they're in the process of doing that. these are people whose job is basically to go to a foreign land unsupported and work with indigenous force to teach them to secure their own country. so the idea that we may have green beret's out on a mission is not new that's what they're trained for. >> sir, there's been complaints that the military have not come
forth with information. are you satisfied about how that happened? >> no. now with the pressure building up, we are hearing -- i don't doubt the military was going through their own internal investigation, i think that's essential. i think we're going to find out when this is all said and don't what's going to happen. number one, we have a right to know and deserve to know because these are our men and women equipping to go do these important missions. on the other hand, we have to remember being in the military, and especially special operations and special forces is an inherently dangerous game. these members do something americans shouldn't have to do. >> i'm wondering what you're thinking about the president continuing to tweet about his conversation with the sergeant's widow. the president essentially said that what the widow felt happened did not happen.
>> i wish the whole thing would go away. what bothers me is, everyone's become political now. the only thing not political is where you go out to eat on friday, that's probably going to change and some restaurants will be political. up until now the one thing we kept sacred is this idea if someone gave their life for that country that wouldn't be political. there's plenty of blame, not on the widow's account but maybe from the president and the congresswoman. i wish the president would have been private about it. maybe issue a statement saying that wasn't my intention and move on. in terms of the congresswoman jumping and saying general kelly calling her a empty barrel is racist, i think that's too far. reaching out to the news on her end is to blame too. when this set lsz down i hope we
can get back to respecting all levels on both sides. those given the sacrifice to the country. >> finally, senator mccain seems to take a shot at the president saying about the vietnam quote, we've broken the highest -- obviously president trump -- which was due to -- do you think mccain's statement was fair? >> i don't know if it was fair or not. i know a lot of people defer to the draft in vietnam and i know a lot of people responded to the call that went and served. there are a lot of people that fled to canada and came back to the united states after that. a lot of these folks weather it was president trump or clinton look back and wish they could have made another decision. at the end of the day i think we need to treasure those who do step forward, the 1% who defend our country. t time to move forward. >> congressman i appreciate your
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a republican congress once impeached a president for far less. yet, today, people in congress and his own administration know this president is a clear and present danger who is mentally unstable and armed with nuclear weapons. and they do nothing. join us and tell your member of congress that they have a moral responsibility to stop doing what's political and start doing what's right. our country depends on it. tonight, the president's military service or lack thereof is in the spotlight after senator john mccain made a reference to president trump without ever mentioning his name. mccain was on c-span talking about the vote father and motie this opinion the draft.
>> the one i would never ever -- we drafted the lowest income level of america and the highest income level found a doctor would say they had a bone spurt. that is wrong. if we're going to ask every american to serve, every american should serve. >> again, he didn't mention the president by fame but it is a fact mr. trump did not join the military receiving five deferments including for bone spurts. this was talked about on "the view" this morning watch this. >> people thought you were talking about mr. trump because he had a doctor's photo saying he had bone spurts. >> more than once. >> yeah more than once. do you consider him a draft dodger. >> i don't consider him so much a draft dodger as i feel the system was so wrong that certain americans could have evade their
responsibility to serve the country. >> the largest point about the draft system is a fair one in a particular case where one particular case and person getting deferment because of alleged bone spurs. i say alleged because the person himself doesn't seem to remember much about it. >> because i was student deferments, and ultimately had a medical deferment because of my feet. i had a bone spurt. >> which one did you have the bone spurt? >> you'll look it up in the records it's in the medical records. >> when the spurs were -- bone spurts were legitimate or not he said he always felt like -- by the way, donald trump's father sent him to that school when he was 13 allegedly because of bad
behavior. joining us now the panel. i want to play a clip you did with donald trump in 2014 when you asked him about the medical deferments. >> you did have a medical deferment. >> feet. >> what was -- the medical deferment is feet. >> so what's going on with your feet. >> i had a spurt on the back of my feet at the time prevented me from walking long distances. >> so you couldn't march. >> i would have difficulty walking long distances, i had spurs. >> okay that's an important thing. >> i got a deferment, not an out i got andv deferment.
>> so he showed you his feet. >> yeah and i saw no spur. >> do you know what a spur look like? >> well -- part of what i was getting at when i said to businessman trump about well, that's a legitimate thing, a lot of people get deferments, i was trying to get him to explain this thing about his draft number. this is something he repeated many times, a high draft number and thus i didn't have to serve. the lottery was 18 months after he graduated from college. the thing is i was watching the draft lottery in my apartment. >> none of it could have been the case. >> it couldn't have been the case. after i spoke with him on the campaign trail he went back to the lottery number story. so, it's almost as if he wants to stick very closely to the original distortion because
that's what he can keep straight in his mind. he chose that distortion for a reason and doesn't want to give it up. >> gloria senator mccain wen so far not to call the president a dro draft dodger. taken from his last speech it seems to be a different route taken from senator mccain. >> well, i kind of saw a smile on the clip you were showing. it seem -- i think what we're seeing with john mccain is mccain unbound to a great degree. the president had said, you're not a war hero and you never -- mccain never said anything about that because he didn't want to dignify it obviously. but this is a president who has warned, i'm going to punch back, i'm going to punch back. and we haven't seen that yet. i think mccain is kind of
saying, well, okay, here. i'm giving you a bit of opportunity here and i think he's trolling him. >> he kind of said look i held back and it's going to be ugly if i do respond words to that effect. i want to play something else which was said -- it's not a college it's a boarding school. >> well 1st grade through 12th grade. it's not a university. >> one of the thing that i've always said, i was never in the military as such. and i always felt that i was in the military because i, in a way had more training mil fairly than a lot of guy that is go into the military. >> right. >> because that was a very hard education at that time. that was when military schools were at their all-time peek. >> it is fascinating he believes he was in the military in some way. >> it's like someone who was a
crossing guard in the elementary school and said i was a police officer. it's ridiculous. one over the things that's appalling about all this is tha during the vietnam war, there were lowering of standards for who was admitted to the military that began at the time the president sought his deferments and more than 7,000 people were brought into the military, sent to vietnam and died under those lower standards, which included disabilities far more profound those bone spurs. this is not a frivolous matter, his claim to military experience for being in a high school and this idea that, you know i really did -- >> it does go back to the campaign when he was critical of generals saying something to the effect that he knows more than the generals. >> it's incredibly disrespectful to the man and women who served.
>> thank you guys appreciate it. up next, bill o'riley paid $32 million to a colleague who accused him of misconduct. a week later fox gave him a new blockbuster contract. o'reilly calling it all crap. o'reilly calling it all crap. when we continue.
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that amount? what awfulness went on? >> that's what so many people are asking. now that the "new york times" has revealed that bill o'reilly -- >> stopped right here. >> paid $32 million to stop former fox news legal analyst lease wheel from suing i am from all the settlement payments from fox news, this is the largest by far. >> this morning, the stunning new report and what he is saying about it. >> the new bill o'reilly bombshell, reportedly paying $32 million. >> on monday, o'reilly told glenn beck his enemies are behind this, plotting to keep him off tv. >> the end game is let's link o'reilly with harvey weinstein, let's make him that to take him out of the manipulators forever. >> scrutiny on fox news which can't seem to shake these sandals. there are new questions about o'reilly's behavior. >> my conscience is clear.
>> o'reilly defended himself on nbc last month. >> you were accused of sexual harassment. you said at the time you did absolutely nothing wrong, do you stand by that? >> i do. >> what we didn't know then that o'reilly struck a $32 million deal back in january. wheal, a regular guest on his show was threatening to sue. >> she made allegations of a nonconsensual relationship and that he sent her pornographic material that included guy pornography. >> in this affidavit, wheal said she had no claims against o'reilly. with the secret safely buried, fox renewed o'reilly's deterioration worth an estimated
$25 million a year. fox booted o'reilly in april after "the new york times" investigation revealed other settlements. but he was welcomed back on the euro last month. >> come back. will you come back? >> maybe, i'll be fishing first. >> it's outrageous. >> gretchen carl son sued roger ailes last year and settled for $25 million. >> nobody pays $32 million to anybody for false accusations, nobody. i don't care how much money you have. >> now o'reilly has tens of millions less. he's vowing to fight on, saying the times story is part of a plot to take him down. he told the "times" reporters -- >> we have physical proof that this is bull [ bleep ]. bull [ bleep ], okay? so it's on you if you want to destroy my children further. >> he always brings his children into this. >> he does. >> into this discussion.
he's not -- so far he has not denied the payment of $32 million, correct? >> no he's essentially confirmed he did pay that a.. he says he cannot share why but keeps blaming the media instead of taking accountability for his own conduct. >> did fox know about the $32 million settlement before they hired him. >> they knew about the settlement but not the price tag. apparently o'reilly didn't want the network to know, perhaps he was concerned it would leak out or something. he thought this would be secret and it didn't remain secret. at the core of this, it's a rotten network, something rotten there, not now, but the beginning, beginning. they built him as a star and looked the other way. the president's feuds and ongoing battle against mccain who's firing back. and the wife of fallen soldier la david johnson. the white house comes clean on the condolence letter sent to
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alert the day care staff. he recently called the white house an adult day care center. i didn't make any of this up. kasie hunt joins us live now. so the president is heading to capitol hill in the next hour for what is supposed to be a, quote, unity lunch with gop senators focusing on the tax cut plan. how #awkward might this get? >> reporter: i have to tell you, ali, i've been roaming the halls of capitol hill for some years now. i haven't seen anything like this before where you have the powerful head of a very important committee at a time when not only do we have americans deployed overseas but are potentially face iing at th least the possibility of war with north korea and you have the president and head of that committee trading insults back and forth on twitter and of course for the tv cameras. those words that senator corker
senator corker gave voice to a lot of people's expectations that this will be more of a photo op than anything for the president of the united states. because i think there's not a lot of faith in the republican conference that the president understands the details of the bills that they are working on. and corker has said, hey, this is a project that the house and senate have been working on for many years. it's not simply something the president can parachute in and try to do. but at the same time, this is going to be an incredibly difficult dynamic now with what has gone on. paul ryan the house speaker was questioned about this earlier today. take a look. >> bob's going to vote for tennessee. he's going to vote for america. he's going to vote for tax reform because he knows it's in the best interest of americans. so put this twitter dispute aside. all this stuff you see on a daily basis twitter this and twitter that. forget about it. let's focus on helping people, improving people's lives and
doing what we need to do to accomplish that. that's what we're focused on. >> reporter: that's basically how paul ryan has responded to every flap of this nature between the president and members of congress, et cetera. at this point for corker, it's gone too far. he's gone farther by quite a bit in the feud. we'll see if any republicans change their tunes today. i would be surprised. and i know you cover this topic in so many depth. corker is a vote they need for the tax reform plan. if he decides he's not going with it, it's in jeopardy. there's potentially real consequences here. >> corker saying he will still attend that lunch. kasie hunt, thank you. as that tax plan is worked out in congress, the president claims cutting corporate taxes would give americans a $4,000 pay raise. but for fact's sake, is that true? here's my buddy stephanie rhule. >> president trump is making a big promise to americans. thousands of dollars extra in their paychecks every year by
drastically slashing corporate tax rates. that comes from a new study published by the president's council economic advisers. cutting tax rates from 35% to 20% will boost wages substantially depending on where you are on the income ladder, he says the boost will add anywhere between $4,000 to 9,000 bucks a year. but does his math add up? economists on the right, it's an article of faith that lower taxes on businesses and the wealthy reap benefits that trickle down to the rest of us. they argue the extra money the companies get to keep increases demand for workers and drives up wages. but history shows us that cutting corporate taxes does not guarantee higher wages. back in the '80s during another anti-tax drive under president reagan, the corporate tax rate was slashed from 46% to 34%. but instead of boosting wages, they actually fell for five straight years by as much as
$3,000 in today's metrics. contrast that with tax increased in 2013. didn't get in the way of growth. premise also flies in the face of earlier -- a laundry list of economists call the report everything from ridiculous to fatally flawed. secretary lawrence somers goes one step further calling the $4,000 figure, quote, absurd on the face of it. that is in part because research suggests companies are more likely to pass it to shareholders, not workers. but in the end, trump's plan is trickle down economics plain and simple. which an overwhelming majority of economists think just doesn't work. >> stephanie will be back tomorrow. but joining me now is republican senator john hogan of north dakota. he's a member of the homeland security and government affairs committee. he's a member of the appropriations committee and he's the former governor of north dakota. senator, good to see you.
thank you for being with us. >> hi, ali. how are you? >> good. i want to talk a bunch of issues with you. i want to start with this twitter thing this morning. you going to this lunch with the president? >> yes, i will. looking forward to talking about tax relief at that lunch. >> got it. what do you make of this thing going on between the president and senator corker? >> i would really like to see them get together and talk through it and see if they can't work it out. look. we need everybody working together on the serious issues whether it's tax relief, health care reform, strong national defense, border security, law enforcement, strong support for law enforcement. you know, all these issues. that's what americans are concerned about. and we need to work together to address them. >> right. but it is -- it's sort of problematic that the president keeps going after an elected senator. >> well, i'm not going to get into the argument between them. again, i think what they need to do is see if they can't sit down and work through it. >> let's talk about taxes,
senator. what do you make of this plan? you just heard stephanie explain this strange part of it that the council of economic advisers said cutting corporate taxes is somehow going to result in individual families getting between $4,000 and $9,000 more. that's got to be something your constituents are going to want to know about. it's hard for us to do the math to back that up. >> but the reality is we're using very conservative assumptions. the idea is to target the middle class with the tax cut so they not only keep more of their earnings after tax but also so you stimulate economic growth. and what you're seeing already is with the regulatory relief we've provide d the growth in gp is 3.1%. >> for one quarter. >> but it's consistently been coming up over the last versus the past decade. and now when you combine that with tax relief, you're going to see stronger economic growth. >> i need to correct you there, senator.
i think the long-term for 30 has been 2.1%. we're at 2.2%. that's stuff that the president says that's not true. >> since world war ii, the average rate of growth for our economy has been 3.3%. >> right. but we generally divide that up. we ended it in 1970 because we were busy rebuilding the world. we think of 1970 to now, it's 2.1%, sir. >> but that's the point. we want to get that growth rate up. we think that combining regulatory relief and tax relief will help increase that growth rate. that's how you get wages and income higher. >> between the war and 1970, we were building the u.s. highway system, creating infrastructure. we build no infrastructure in the united states at all now. we were sort of shoring up the rest of the world. what's the driver? taxes never drives growth. it's got to be something that drives economic growth. >> but ali we want to add an infrastructure piece to the mix. so we're talking about regulatory relief which we want to do more. we're talking about tax relief. and an infrastructure package.
we're putting all three together. they're all designed to increase the rate of growth in our gdp and move wages and income higher. that's what we're working to do. that's our agenda for america. >> all right. let's talk about the situation in niger. we've heard from some of your fellow senators. they both said, look, they don't want the armed services committee micromanaging the military. but there's some concern we didn't have an overarching view of the mission and what's going on. what did you know about this? did you know we have these thousand troops in niger? and what are your concerns going forward? >> i knew we had special operatives there. i did not know we had a thousand troops. that's why we're asking questions. we want more information on what is going on. and we need to do that. >> what's your take on what's going on in puerto rico right now? i know you voted for the $36.5 billion in emergency relief for the hurricanes and the wildfires in the procedural vote last night. there were 60 no votes coming
from republicans. what's the concern there? why are republicans vote nothing on this? >> you know, i'm not sure. i think for the ones that voted no, they wanted offsets. but i don't speak for all of them, but i think that may have been the issue for some of them. we need to do more in puerto rico. no question about it. now, we're getting the aid there. because it's an island, it's a problem getting it distributed. obviously we've had real issues getting the power back in place. you've got rural areas hard to get to. a lot more work needs to be done. >> thank you for being with me spending time talking about these important issues. >> you bet. >> senator john hoeven. stand by, everybody. we're looking at the deadly attack in niger and why troops are there. we're digging into niger's resources up for grabs included oil, gold, and uranium. here's what we'll watch coming up. 11:30 eastern, trump participants in an awards minority enterprise development week. we'll bring you more from that as soon as we have it.
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were likely set up by terrorists. three officials briefed on the matter said the theory is to look at the timeline. let's look at it now. militants were tipped off in advance about a meeting between the americans and leaders in a village sympathetic to isis. villagers tried to delay the troops as they left. once they departed, the militants attacked. the soldiers returned fire, then retreated, only to be ambushed again. about an hour into the fight, the americans called for help. a drone arrived within minutes and french jets arrived about an hour later. but it wasn't another 48 hours until sergeant la david johnson's body was recovered more than a mile from the other victims. joseph dunford talked about the need for answers and a big question that remains. >> we owe you more information. more importantly we owe the families of the fallen more information. that's what the investigation is designed to identify. did the mission change? that is one of the questions that's being asked. it's a fair question.
but i can't tell you definitively the answer to that question. >> all right. let's answer a different question. what is the u.s.'s interest in niger in particular? remember that there are about 1,000 u.s. troops in niger. most are working on a drone facility to provide surveillance for the continent with a small number of special forces units directly advising nigerian troops. with isis, al qaeda, and others establishing affiliates in africa, twhere are valuable resources the u.s. would like to keep out of the hands of terror groups. niger was producing 13,000 barrels of oil per day. this isn't all that much. it makes it the 86th largest producer in the world. but it's important because, "a," if you need money, 13,000 barrels of oil is still something. but here's the more important part. the china national petroleum corporation, cnpc, just awarded
two operating permits in niger. one in 2010 and then in 2013. they say they believe their network of oil wells could tap into a billion barrels under the surface increasing the output to between 60,000 and 80,000 barrels a day which would push the country toward the top 50 oil producers in the world. and it's not just oil they're looking at in niger. it's gold deposits discovered in the northeast portion of the country in recent years. that has sent miners scrambling. gold is necessary for consumer electronics like cell phones as well. but by far the most valuable resource in niger is uranium. while the country only produces about 7.5% of the world's output, that's 7.5% good enough to make it the fourth larger uranium producer on the planet. there's a lot in west africa with one mine with the third
highest of all individual mines. in 2010 more than 114,000 tons of ore was mined in niger. this is enough to power seven nuclear reactors for a decade. this is a resource that china as it prepares to double its number of nuclear reactors would love to tap into. joining me now is retired naval operator malcolm nance who has been following this closely. right from the beginning while everybody else is scratching their heads wondering why we're in niger, you knew there are two things going on in west africa. there are resources and isis and al qaeda affiliates. >> you're right. i don't think thinking story is one about resources but resources might explain why there is such a great interest in the area for the terrorist groups themselves and wanting to collapse and some of these governments. and wanting to destabilize these very, very small regions that
have very poor people and who are muslims themselves. on the other hand, you do have big players in the international mining and oil production renals. niger has been known for uranium forever. in the '70s and '80s they were one of the biggest producers of uranium. on the other hand, now we have china national oil company coming in and being able to develop parts of that part of the sahara for oil. that makes it even more valuable to groups like isis and al qaeda because the central governments are not really central, they are very weak and could easily be overthrown and give them a resource like you saw in syria to be able to export money and terror. >> malcolm, this is a complicated thing. for people who ro now asking a lot of questions about what was the mission and why were we there, some americans will say are we going to be all over the world policing natural resources
so bad guys don't steal it. back in the day there was colonialism. you went into areas because you wanted to use the resources yourself. now it's about keeping it out of the hands of other people. that's a big mission for the u.s. military. >> that mission has been in effect since world war ii. the entirety of the united states involvement has been to help major countries extract oil. we just don't see it as much anymore. authority to go to the small regions where isis and al qaeda and fundamentalist groups could recruit and get more man power, operate in secret. therefore all of these special forces missions in mali, chad, nigeria, cameroon, niger.
these places are very important. because as we say, when you squash down on isis main force, it's like stepping on a ball of mercury. they break up and spread out. >> about the uranium, about the yellow cake in particular. are we looking out? is this a matter of keeping it out of the affiliates or a question of the chinese getting it and using it for their nuclear programs? >> well, the china own it already. they have the license on the major field which by the way is about 200 kilometers, you know, about 160 miles northwest of our base in the u.s. air force drone base. we put that there to get a centralized location to where we could surveil around algeria, mali, niger, chad, and libya so terrorist groups wouldn't be able to operate there with impunity. but china has its own national interest there. they don't need armed forces.
they are there to do purely economic exploitation of niger and niger gets a lot of money out of it. >> it's a role china is playing across africa. malcolm, i talk to you a lot and there's never a time i talk to you and i'm not smarter at the end of it. thank you, my friend. malcolm nance. stand by. bill o'reilly is raging against the sexual harassment allegations that he's facing. we'll have those details next. >> we have physical proof that this is bull [ bleep ]. but [ bleep ]. okay? so it's on you if you want to destroy my children further. all right? because it's all crap. ♪
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>> we have physical proof that this is bull [ bleep ]. bull [ bleep ]. okay? so it's on you if you want to destroy my children further. all right? because it's all crap. the end game is let's link o'reilly with harvey weinstein. let's make him that. that's what we want to do. all right? and so we take him out of the market place forever. it's frustrating for me but unless i want another seven or eight years of constant litigation that puts my children in a kill zone, i have to maintain my discipline. am i mad at god? yeah, i'm mad at him. i wish i had more protection. i wish this stuff didn't happen. i can't explain it to you. yeah, i'm mad at him. >> fox's parent company 21st century fox says they were aware o'reilly settled with lisa wheel
but didn't know the terms when he was signed. they added clauses to the contract. i'm going to continue this in just a second. bob corker is walking out. i want to listen in to what he's got to say. hang on. >> -- where that typically happens. >> sir, you said earlier that the president has debased the country. can you explain more what you mean by that? >> so, look. i think the standing up in front of is the american people and stating untruths that everybody knows to be untrue, just the attempted bullying that he does, which everybody sees through. just the dividing of our company, you know, the name calling. for young people to be watching not only here in our country but around the world, someone of this mentality or or president of the united states is
something i think that is debasing to our country. you would think he would aspire to be the president of the united states. and act like a president of the united states. you know, that's just not going to be the case apparently. and it's up to others who serve in an elected capacity whether they're governor or mayors to conduct themselves in a manner that is more becoming of a leader. but he's obviously, you know, not up to that. i've had private meetings with him, played golf with him, had multiple occasions where the staff has asked me to please intervene. getting ready to do something that was off the tracks. look, i've seen no evolution in an upward way. as a matter of fact, i would say it appears to me that it's
almost devolving. but look. you know, everybody has their own opinion about that. and i'm here to serve another 14 1/2 months. >> why aren't more of your colleagues speaking out the way you are? >> you know, i -- you know, i've been very independent, i think, the whole time i've been up here. i probably have a unique relationship. i've gotten to know him in a different way than a lot of senators have just through this last year. i, you know, also, you know, told the people of tennessee that i was going to run for two terms. and, you know, so, you know, a sense of independence, i think. and just the, you know, i was in a pretty tough business that, you know, started when i was 25. i've been around people that, you know, have mentalities of
our current president and, you know, have through life just learned how you deal with it. >> do you think there's any hope -- >> do you have any interest in repairing your relationship with the president? >> what's that? >> how do you feel about the delay of the russian sanctions? >> i can't hear, there's so many questions at once. but i'll see y'all at lunch. >> thank you, sir. >> all right. senator corker walking out of a meeting. kasie hunt's going to -- who was just interviewing him is going to get in front of a camera in a moment. we're going to get back to the bill o'reilly story in just a moment. but kasie's there. bob corker, i want to underscore something we didn't talk about earlier today. that is donald trump tweeted that bob corker helped president obama get the iran deal. bob corker voted against the iran deal. he was against the iran deal. the president did tweet something that was totally untrue about bob corker this morning. >> reporter: and you heard bob
corker say just there as he explained in quite frankly i was surprised by how frank and how much he was willing to continue to expand on the remarks that he had made earlier this morning. that is exactly one of the things that he pointed to, ali. he said this is somebody who says things that are not true. and it's clear whether that's the iran deal, the president also claimed in a series of tweets that he told corker he wouldn't endorse him. we know that corker and his staff have said on the record that that was not the case. clearly corker thinking the president is saying one thing in public and another in private. i was also struck, ali, by what he had to say there at the end going through this idea that the president is not getting the message. not getting better at being the president of the united states. not moderating the way that he looks at the world.
bob corker saying, hey, you know, they've called me to try to get him to try to talk him off the edge, essentially, and i've tried. but the more that time i've spent with him, tried to get to know him, the harder it's become for that to happen. i was very struck by that. because corker also -- i mean, he walked through a bit of the interactions he's had with president trump. the sort of approach for a lot of these members to try to understand the president has been to spend personal time with him and try to sort through how it is he consumes the media, particularly television. and send a message to the president. corker has clearly decided that this is no longer viable at all. and he also acknowledged he doesn't have to run for re-election. >> it is a very -- this day is really going to be interesting particularly at that lunch the president's going to be at that bob corker still says he's going to be at. that's going to have to be awkward. i think your question to corker about why are your other republican colleagues not following that lead and he wasn't sure why they're not.
>> reporter: he wasn't. although that's where his answer about his election came into play. >> right. >> but i do think that is going to be the test going forward. and i'm not sure if anything will change. it certainly didn't change this morning with house speaker paul ryan who one of my colleagues pointed out on twitter that paul ryan had made a joke at a comedy dinner a couple days ago that one of the things he has to do in the morning is get up, read twitter, and pretend what story he didn't see on twitter when he faces us in the hallways. he has repeatedly declined to comment on the things that the president has done vis-a-vis other members of congress, the insults thrown. he did that again this morning. i'm very interesting to hear -- we're going to see mitch mcconnell later on today at the microphones here at the capitol. i'm sure that he will be pressed on this, obviously. whether or not he is willing to engage. he has occasionally been sharper
about the president. but it really is in many ways b -- it feels like we are witnessing the pulling apart of the republican party. it's just a question of how much of it is going to pull away from what, you know, president trump has managed to wrangle. at the end of the day, if ept tho accompli -- they want to accomplish anything, they need to work together. does not seem as though the events of today are going at all -- i'm making a major understatement here -- are adding to any unity. >> all right. we'll stay on this all day with you. thank you so much at capitol hill. let's go back to the bill o'reilly story. joining me is bill sherman now. gabe, nbc news has not been able to verify the times report about the settlement, the $32 million settlement. what do you know about the is? the only thing we seem to know is anybody who knows anything about settlements particularly from individuals versus public companies thinks this is a
remarkable number if true. >> without question. i have a source inside 21st century fox the parent company who is making the case they did not know the number. all they knew when they resigned earlier this year is that he had made a settlement and it was confidential. but that raises a larger question. if your biggest star is making an out of court sexual harassment settlement to make it go away, you'd want to ask questions. and clearly they made the business decision to go through with resigning him and face the repercussions if it did become public. >> which is a final sentence you can use for a lot of things happening these days. bill o'reilly saying people are trying to capitalize on the harvey weinstein scandal and this is political in nature. do we know anything about the motivation for this news coming out at this point? >> no. without question. this is a classic o'reilly technique. to cast dispersions on unnamed people with unnamed allegations. he plays the victim.
this is what he did every night so successfully on his number one rated fox show. this is what he's doing to gin up support from his fans he is being persecuted. what we know there is a multi-million dollar settlement out of court to make the sexual harassment claim go away. those facts speak for themselves and o'reilly can talk whatever he wants to get out of it. but that does not make the fact he settled this shocking number out of court. >> one of the other things that bill o'reilly keeps saying in every interview is that no one has complained to hr or legal. is that a technicality? >> yeah. that's a classic dodge. because as i've reported numerous times inside fox news, the hr department was seen as the personal part of roger ailes. >> it's not where you would go. >> no. everyone knew he had -- that would make the company look
back. no one felt comfortable i've interviewed going inside hr to make a claim especially against bill o'reilly. >> gabe, good to talk to you. thank you for your reporting on this, gabe sherman. stand by, everyone. chairman devon nunes is minutes away from making an announcement on capitol hill. his committee is the one investigating russian meddling in the election and whether the trump campaign colluded. you're watching "velshi & rhule" lye on msnbc. when a fire is going on, you're
made in vietnam. and woven blouse ts, shoes, and handbags are made in china. made in u.s. is zero. but six other countries are fine to make the daughter's brand. manufacturing jobs was a big point for president trump as a candidate and president-elect for tweets like rexnord of indiana is moving to mexico and rather viciously firing all of its 300 workers. no more. to new projections. new projections showing the industry is shedding another million jobs in the next ten years. take a look at that. to a 76-year low of just over 11 million jobs. really, though, what is the culpr culprit? a study this year found while trade is responsible for 13.4% of manufacturing job losses, 88%
can be attributed to productivity growth which includes massive automation. to dig into this productivity growth, i want to bring in the new yorker's journalist who gets to the heart of manufacturing. we started a conversation the other day that we had to stop because of breaking news. but i want to get to this. it's an important thing to understand. while we should concentrate on wages and jobs in america, there is a much bigger force and a much bigger driving cause of manufacturing losses in the united states. and that is automation and ultimately robots. >> the technological leaps in this area have been enormous. and of course technology for decades has eliminated certain jobs. but the thinking was that it would create more new jobs and often better higher skilled jobs. what we've seen recently and what economists are acknowledging is, in fact, entire categories of jobs are being eliminated. you can take one example. there are a lot of articles in
the news now about workers finding refuge in war houses. so a lot of out of line work manufacturing and retail workers can work in a warehouse fulfi fulfilling shopping orders. i uncovered orders. in fact, i have created a company that is an entire warehouse system. really the only job that exists in this warehouse is of the system manager who sits alone in a room in front of a bank of computers, and otherwise robots do all the work. >> sort ning warehousing is something easily automated. this is not a complicated thing. in your article, though, you begin by profiling a guy working in a furniture plant since 1984. in those days, you were set. you needed to get into the shop, sometimes you needed to get into the union. you often could do this with just a high school education and it would end in a pension with a
normal age retirement. there is not that fundamental that exists for most workers anymore. >> that model has completely disappeared, and people spoke to me with nostalgia about it. they said if you had a high school diploma and you got a job in one of these furniture stores in grand rapids, michigan, you were set. you could possibly have a second home. managers at the plant were driving luxury foreign cars. all of that has disappeared. many say they're making the same dollar figure salary they were making 20 years ago, but they were so grateful to have your jobs because they've seen thousands of their friends get laid off, and of course robots are invading their plant and taking over more and more of the work. what happens is it makes the work physically easier. you don't have to think as much. the machine does all the thinking and heavy lifting and you end up in a position where you're sort of helping the robot create the piece of furniture and you're not actually having to do the work yourself, and how long will we wait until the
robot is just doing everything? this is something people don't seem to want to acknowledge, but it is happening. >> no, we don't acknowledge it on any level. in the technological world where a new app comes out or a new phone comes out and the political share goes up, we say somehow we'll figure out how to get the american worker back. somehow we have to think about policy responses to this, including if these manufacturing workers you talked about have not seen an inflation-adjusted increase in their income in some cases in 30, 40, 50 years, do we have to start thinking about things like a negative income tax rate where the government subsidizes the idea that you're not going to get that kind of a job back. >> well, of course, there are policy steps we could take to address this, and of course the negative income credit is a possibility. there is talk of a universal basic income which is the same idea, the idea of the government sending money to cover basic living expenses to workers who cannot earn that money by
selling their labor into the market because the market has changed. of course, we need massive investments into education and teaching new generations of students the skills they need to kind of find work in the new economy. infrastructure spending. the disturbing thing i found while reporting this piece is when i called around to policymakers or even business executives, they don't want to acknowledge that this is happening. in fact, many of the policy moves we're seeing out of washington right now are taking us in the opposite direction. so it was a little disturbing, and i think there are other countries that are preparing a little better. the u.s. is kind of playing catch-up at this point. >> sheila, it's a great story. thank you so much and thanks for coming back to have this conversation. we'll have it many times again because it is really one of our era's most important issues. sheila is a staff writer with the new yorker. catch her article. right now we're watching the white house. the president is participating in an awards ceremony for enterprise development week. we also have our eyes on capitol
hill. devin nunez set to make an announcement about we don't know what. it could be about the russian investigation and what trump had to do with it. in light of confederate monuments in this country, we want to introduce you to americans who may be due a statue. this was an american civil rights attorney who helped end the civil doctrine. he went to monmouth university, finishing second in his class. in 1940, hill, marshall and two colleagues won a major civil rights case on pay equity for black teachers. he'll continue the career for wins of civil rights. one of his cases was included in one of the famous brown case which helped segregate schools nationwide. he was awarded the presidential medal of freedom. he died in 2007 at 100 years
old. if you have a medal of honor write to us at #velshiruhle. we are waiting for mr. gowdy because this announcement today involves both the house intelligence committee and the government oversight committee. mr. gowdy, however, can't get pulled away from the meeting he's currently in. but with me today i have mr. king from new york who chairs our subcommittee on emerging threats, and then mr. desantes from florida who chairs the subcommittee on national security. what we're here today to announce is an inquiry into russia's involvement into the iranian deal that was done several years ago. this is just the beginning of this probe. we are not going to jump to any conclusions at this time, but one of the things, as you know, that we're concerned about is
whether or not there was an fbi investigation. was there a doj investigation? and if so, why was congress not informed of this matter? so that's -- that will be the start of the probe. it will be two different committees who will be looking into this and we will keep you posted with further details. let me go to mr. desantos who is filling in for mr. gowdy today. >> thank you, mr. chairman. we do have a witness who is a confidential informant who wants to talk about his role in this, and we're in contact with the justice department to release him from a nondisclosure agreement. if that doesn't work out in a timely fashion, then we obviously would be able to suspect h subpoena him. on my subcommittee, we'll be focusing on how the interagency process worked in this. we don't think it worked out very well so we have jurisdiction over the various national security agencies and we want to get as much
information as we can so we can see what happened. >> is to next we'so next we'll . mr. king is of particular relevance, not only because he chairs the subcommittee that oversees the fbi and treasury from our committee, but also because he was a chairman back at the time and sent a letter in opposition questioning the sale of this company. he sent that letter to secretary geitner at the time, the treasury secretary, so we're happy that he's still here and will be the point person from our committee on this investigation. mr. king? >> thank you, chairman. it was back in october of 2010 -- at that time i was the ranking member of homeland security, and myself and three other ranking members sent a letter to the treasury department raising very, very real concerns about why we would allow a russian-owned company to get access to 20% of america's uranium supply. there are any number of reasons or objections we raised, questions we raised, and it was brought to the highest levels. i got a letter in response from
treasury secretary geitner and saying this was getting full scrutiny. so this was brought to the highest levels of the obama administration, including the treasury secretary. it's important we find out why that deal went through, and certainly in view of recent allegations that have been made or recent questions that have been raised, it's essential that this investigation, this inquiry, go forward. it will be done in full coordination with government oversight. there's not going to be any conflict here. we're going to go forward together in a cooperative way. again, specifically the emerging threat over the subcommittee has immediate contact with trurthe treasury department. it fits in nicely here. seven years ago this month, i raised these objections with the treasury secretary who said they were being fully investigate,
a -- investigated, and objevious we want to know what's happened since then and the context of this investigation. i look guaforward to working wi ron desantos who is an exceptional member of this committee. >> what evidence is there that there was work on that investigation. [ inaudible question ] >> let me first say that -- so our committee has been looking into this for a while now. we have been in touch with different individuals who have brought us information. i think, as mr. desantos stated, there is a concern over the nondisclosure agreement. we don't think that is a concern. we think that any american, if they have information, even if it's top secret, at the top secret level, they can come to
on that part of the country. >> i'm coming to you from steel city, so this is very important here. i've always supported the steel industry and i support our steelworkers and our steelworkers can compete with anybody in the world, as long as the playing field is level but that playing field has been slanted. president trump's just trying to restore some balance to the playing field here and i want to help him. i'm ready to go down there and be his wing man and help i'm implement that agenda. >> julie: molly is in moon township, pennsylvania where the president is about to speak minutes from now. molly, i can tell the crowd is getting pretty excited. >> reporter: there are a lot of great america great hats here, julie. this is the 20th rally in pennsylvania, his fifth outside of the pittsburgh area since he started driving toward the white house in june of 2015. this is a pretty special appearance specifically for a
reasons why. one, his opponent has been so anti-union since he's been in office. we've tried to talk to hi him. every time we do, you have to corner him to get him to talk to you. >> reporter: pennsylvania's steelworkers went to the white house to back president trump's new tariffs on steel and aluminum earlier this week, the united steelworkers union is not backing his choice for congress, the usw rallied for democrat lamb on friday afternoon, part of a final get out the vote push before voters head to the polls on tuesday. this election may test the strength of organized union as well as the influence that the president has in the district, especially in the state as a whole. he won the district by 20 points back in 2016. julie. >> julie: i understand 18th district, molly, may not be long for this world any. >> reporter: anyway. >> reporter: that's a fascinating political issue underlying a lot of the contests
later on this year in pennsylvania. it doesn't affect this particular special election exactly but the state supreme court has released a new map after they ruled the previous district lines were the result of improper gop gerrymandering that violated the state's contusion. republicans are mounting a legal challenge. they argued the court overstepped, infringing on legislative power and they were urged by the president to take the challenge all the way to the supreme court. i believe the president is stepping out now, so i'll send it back to you. >> julie: president trump there arriving in moon township, pennsylvania. he tweeted moments ago, for everybody to take a look, he has a lot to say as he is campaigning for the republican congressional candidate, rick ciccone, who is in a tight race against his democratic contender, conor lamb, and the president coming out, hoping to make a very big footprint on this very important election as of course the mid-terms come
>> i love this place. hello, pittsburgh. hello, pittsburgh. [ cheering and applause ] >> you know what? do me a favor, get out on tuesday, vote for rick ciccone and we can leave right now. come on. we don't have to spend any time. great guy. i'm thrilled to be back in pennsylvania. [ cheering and applause ] >> where i went to school, went to college with so many hard working american patriots. you're great people. great. [ cheering and applause ] >> pennsylvania is the state that gave us american independence, american freedom, and what else? american steel. [ cheering and applause ] >> american steel.
we've been talking a little about steel over the last little while, haven't they and we're cabbing thsaving the steel and f steel mills are now opening up because of what i did. [ cheering and applause ] >> not all of my friends on wall street love it but we love it because we know what it does. many plants have just announced over the last few days that they're expanding, opening. steel is back. it's going to be back too. steel is back and aluminum is back. it's going to be back. [ cheering and applause ] >> and on november 8th pennsylvania is the state that gave us the 45th president of the united states. [ cheering and applause ]
un and -- it's very positive, no. after the meeting you may do that but now we have to be very nice. let's see what happens. let's see what happens. so the south korean top people, top representatives, they walked out the white house to a throng of these characters. big group. and everybody wanted to find out what happened. they just left north korea. look, north korea's tough. they're testing nuclear weapons. they're doing a lot of things. this should have been handled, by the way, over the last 30 years. not now. that's when it should have been handled. [ cheering and applause ] >> this should have been handled an everybody will say it too. but that's okay. because that's what we do. we handle things. and these guys came out and they
said that your president has done a great job, i might say, but -- well, i'll tell you we did a great job in the olympics. president moon of south korea said without donald trump olympics would have been a total failure. it's true. it's true. might as well say it. nobody else is going to say it, right? might as well say it. [ cheering and applause ] >> it's a little hard to sell tickets when you think you're going to be nuked. when north korea called and they said we would like to be in the olympics, everybody said let's buy tickets, let's go. i wouli have would have gone. south korea did a great job. it was great to see north korea going and participating and there was a nice unity. it was really a nice thing. [ cheering and applause ] >> but when the south korean
representatives who just left north korea, came outside, a big throng of press, they announced that north korea, kim jong un would like to meet with president trump. this doesn't happen. you know, they're saying obama could have done that. trust me, he count have done that. he wouldn't have done that. he would not have done it. by the way, neither would bush and neither would clinton and they had their shot and all they did was nothing. well, clinton gave away billions and billions of dollars and as soon as they made the deal, the following day they started working on making more nukes. so that's not the great deal. did you ever see the story where it's 1999, i'm on meet the press, a show now headed by sleepy eyes chuck todd. he's a sleeping son of a witch, i'l, i'llgun,i'll tell you.
they showed it this morning, 1999, i'm talking about north korea. you've got to take him out now. and then they have clinton saying we are pleased to announce that we have made a deal with north korea. well, you know how that deal turned out? we gave billions and billions of dollars and lots of other things. and we got nothing. but they show me young, handsome, i said why couldn't i look like that today? i should have run back then, right? [ cheering and applause ] >> i should have run back then. which have done this a -- i would have done this earlier. [ cheering and applause ] >> but they had me literally saying, i don't know if anybody saw it because they play it a lot, but literally saying, a very good guy, actually, but saying that we've got to do
something about north korea. that's when it wasn't in vogue. then they have clinton giving everything away and here we are today with a man who has nuked up all over the place. we've been very strong and very vigilant and now lots of good things i think are going to happen but we'll see. but the funny thing, so they announce that he's not going to send missiles up anymore until we're through the meetings. think of that. we were losing -- we were getting a lot of missiles sent. i wouldn't say japan was thrilled, missiles flying over japan. they're very happy with what i'm doing. and who else could do it? honestly, when you think. they're not going to send missiles up. they're not sending missiles up and i believe that. i really do. i think they want to do something. i think they want to make peace. i think it's time and i think we've shown great strength. i think that's also important. [ cheering and applause ] >> right?
and must tell you, president shi of china has really helped us a lot. they've really helped us. because 93% of the goods come in through china, going into korea, north korea. 93%. so that's pretty powerful. and they've been very good. they could have done more, but that's okay. i say to them you've been great. you could do more, but they've done a lot. china has done more for us than they have ever done for any other president or ever done for this country and i respect that. [ cheering and applause ] >> i respect that. because you need that. stopping the flow of goods, very important. and we put sanctions on. so they come out, white house, many of these same characters that i see those faces, i see those faces. [booing] >> and for the first two hours it was unbelieve aable. this is a amazing.
this is incredible. i can't believe this is happening. we go from -- a lot of people thought we were going to war and all of a sudden they come in and say we're going to have a meeting and there's no more missiles going off and they want to denuclearize. nobody heard that. nobody thought -- they said they are thinking about that. who knows what's going to happen. who knows, if it happens, if it doesn't happen, i may leave fast or we may sit down and make the greatest deal for the world and for all of these countries including, frankly, north korea. that's what i hope happens. but the press for two hours is going this is fantastic. this is amazing. a certain anchor on cnn, fake as hell, cnn, the worst -- [yelling] >> so fake. fake news.
[yelling] >> their ratings are lousy, by the way and compared to fox, their ratings -- [yelling] >> and a certain anchor, female, said this is really something. he would go down as a truly great president if this happened. okay. but all of them are saying this is amazing, this is incredible, did you hear what they just said, they just said denuke, they just said no more missiles, they said they want to meet with president trump. they couldn't believe it. the worst of them, cnn, msnbc which is worse than -- i think i have a new -- msnbc, third rate, and nbc, which is horrible,
their newscast by the way is not doing well on nbc network. they're heading down the tubes. but listen to this. i did the apprentice on nbc for 14 seasons. i made a lot of money for them. we had a big, successful show. arnold schwart schwarzenegger fd when he did the apprentice and he's a movie star. martha stewart failed when i did the apprentice. i kept chugging along, every year it was a big hit. i made them a lot of money, gave them good ratings when they were absolutely dying and they did nothing but kill me. nbc is perhaps worse than cnn. i have to tell you. msnbc is horrible. so here they are, they're outside. these wonderful representatives, very high level from south korea are saying all these things, denuke and all of the things that they can't believe because it's like five years ahead of schedule. before this, they would say that will never happen and this will never happen and you'll never
get them to stop with the missiles. they're saying all of this. now they say they want to stop the missiles, they want to denuclearize. they want to do all of these things and all of these people are like they can't believe it. it's unbelievable. i said to my wife, i said you know it's amazing, they're really nice tonight. it's amazing. they're all saying this is an incredible achievement. okay. then i get up in the morning, some time goes by. [ laughter ] >> same people, they're saying it's not that big a deal. anybody could have done it. obama could have done it. obama had a chance [booing] >> they're saying obama, obama. obama. obama was driving you down. you take a look at those numbers before we took over. they were heading down. so just let me say, so i wake up, so it's so nice and i'm looking forward to watching in the morning and i go, i mean
literally they're saying clinton could have met. clinton gave away the house and got nothing. and bush, bush, bush, another great republican. he got us into the middle east. that was a great -- we spent $7 trillion in the middle east over a 17-year period. $7 trillion as of three months ago. okay? you know what they did? that was like taking a big stone and throwing it into a hornet's nest. but we're bringing it back. isis, we have 98% of the land back. 98. [ cheering and applause ] >> so i woke up and i saw all these reports that anybody could have done it. oh, yeah, sure, anybody could have gotten president shi, president for life, that was another one. so he's president for life. it happens two days ago.
and i was joking. i was at a roast, actually, but i was joking and i sai said ha, president for life, that sounds good. maybe we're going to have to try it. president for life. but i'm joking. but i'm joking. and they knew i was joking. everybody in the room was laughing, everybody's having a great time, i'm joking about being president for life. a couple of them went back, donald trump with his dictator attitude now wants to be president for life. fake news. fake. [yelling] >> fake. horrible. but you know what's going to happen? did you see the other day, 96% of what they do -- all i do is good stuff. the economy is the best it's ever been. your coal -- [ cheering and applause ] >> by the way, folks, some of
you are in the coal world. coal is coming back, big, big, big. your steel is coming back. your steel is coming back. [ cheering and applause ] >> those plants are going to be opening and what we've done with the 25% tariffs for those guys that come in and dump their steel all over the place, and by the way, it's not good steel. you guys know what i mean. it's crap. but your steel is coming back. it's all coming back. at six months prior to the election in 2020, every one of those guys, we really endorse donald trump. we think he has something. you know why? because if i don't win the election, their ratings are going to go so far down. they're going to be out of business, every one of them. can you imagine? can you imagine covering bernie or pocahontas. pocahontas, how about that?
pocahontas [yelling] >> can you imagine these guys, some of them are actually smiling, but some of them just can't stand it. honestly. some of them, they can't take it. can you imagine having to cover elizabeth warren for four years? [booing] >> i was watching during the campaign and hillary was sitting right there and pocahontas was up and she was so angry, look, we love each other, the women, the men, we love each other, everybody loves -- she was so angry. i said you know, i think she's losing the entire male audience and many of the women. she was going at it and hillary was sitting there saying what did i do? can you imagine if they had to cover some of these people that are running, i think any of them, to be honest with you. i would love oprah to run. i would love to beat oprah. i know her weakness.
i know her very well. i was on her last show or one of the last -- the last week. she had donald trump and donald trump's family. my, my, my, we've come down a long way, haven't we. i'm now president and probably -- but think of it, i know her weakness. wouldn't we love to run against owe? pray? i -- oprah? i would love it. it would be a painful experience for he. her. so we created 3 million -- thank you, darling. that's always the problem. we have a room that's packed. if we have one person, and that's actually a fan -- by the way, that's a fan over there. but if we have one person that speaks out, it's like a big deal the next day. so we've created 3 million jobs since election day. nobody thought that was possible. [ cheering and applause ] >> we patched the large --
passed the large evidence tax cuts and reform in american history. [ cheering and applause ] >> we've created more than 300,000 new jobs alone last month. [ cheering and applause ] >> and you saw the numbers yesterday. yesterday's numbers, job report, was among the best numbers ever produced in the history of our country, in the history of our country. [ cheering and applause ] >> in fact, my guys -- usa! usa! usa! usa! usa! usa! >> my guys came into my office and they gave me the number. because if you add the previous month which was adjusted upward by 52,000 jobs, they were low last month, it adjusted upward.
so we're like over 360,000 jobs and i said let me ask you, is that a mistake. if you get 160 it's good. we were at 360. so i looked at my guys, i said is that a typographical error? what is that? but you saw it, it was one of the best reports. you know the amedicationing ama? wages went up a little bit. you haven't had wages in 19 years many wages are starting to go up. think of it. wages. [ cheering and applause ] >> how good is that? wages starting to go up. african american unemployment has reached the lowest level in history. [ cheering and applause ] >> the lowest. you know, african american -- i'm very proud of that. african american unemployment two months ago reached the lowest level in history and last month it went up a little bit, right? and i made the mistake, because i didn't know it went up, and it wasn't quite as good but it
wasn't historic. so i was in a different month and i said african unemployment is the lowest level in history. they killed me. because it was the previous month. but here's the good news. the new month brought it down to the lowest level. so now it's the lowest level. [ cheering and applause ] >> hispanic unemployment is the lowest level, think of that, hispanic unemployment is the lowest level in history. women, we love you, we love you. [ cheering and applause ] >> didn't we surprise them with women during the election? remember? women won't like donald trump. i said have i really had that kind of a problem? i don't think so. but women won't like donald trump. it will be a rough night for donald trump. because the women won't come
out. we got 52 52%, right, 52, right? [ cheering and applause ] >> and i'm running against a woman. you know, it's not that easy. 155 million people are now employed. that is -- that came out this morning. that is the highest level of employment in the history of our country, 155 million. think of that. [ cheering and applause ] >> while the obama administration in its final year was losing 1,000 manufacturing jobs a month. we've created almost 300,000 new manufacturing jobs. think of that. [ cheering and applause ] >> the task for all of us, for
everyone here tonight, is to make sure that this great american comeback continues, full speed ahead. we are doing things that are amazing. you know, make america great again, right, make america great again, right, so you know what the new slogan's going to be? i won't tell you. we've got to keep it secret except did you ever see so much press? wow. you know what the new slogan will be? because i can't use it in three years from now. i can't say -- very good. i can't use it -- i can't go like in four years and say here's my slogan, which is now two and-a-half years, we'll have to start thinking. it's getting close. we can't say make america great again because i already did that. right? [ cheering and applause ] >> right? [ cheering and applause ] >> so -- right?
[ cheering and applause ] >> so our -- not my slogan, our slogan, this is a team, our new slogan will be, and this is on the assumption it happens, which i'm almost positive, can never be 100% sure, i never like to go too far in advance but let's assume it's going like it's going. by the way, if we coasted for two and-a-half years, we did a hell of a job. you know that. [ cheering and applause ] >> in fact, i was telling some of the guys, let's just coast because the stock market is up almost 40% since election day. think about that. think of that. [ cheering and applause ] >> by the way, that's not rich people. that's for everybody. you have your 401-ks, which are up 42%, 38%. i tell it all the time. i take pictures back with the policemen. i love the policemen. i love the firemen. they're great. and they're always coming up and saying sir, thank you very much. my 401-k is up 41%.
my wife thinks i'm a genius. that think they're great investors. but they're up. that's really good. that's what we want. that's what we want. that's what we have to have. we're so proud of this country. but our new slogan, when we start running in, can you believe it, two years from now, is going to be: keep america great, exclamation point. keep america great. [ cheering and applause ] >> but we can only do that if we elect people who are going to back our agenda and fight for our values and that is why we have to defeat nancy pelosi. [booing] >> and maxine waters, a very low
i.q. individual. ever see her? did you ever see her? we will impeach him. we will impeach the president. but he hasn't done anything wrong. it doesn't matter. we will impeach him. she's a low i.q. individual. you can't help it. she really is. we will impeach him. but you have maxine waters and you have plenty of others. and i mean, nancy pelosi, you can't have that. and conor lamb, lamb the sham, lamb the sham, he's trying to act like a republican so he gets -- he won't give me one vote. i don't know him. looks like a nice guy. i hear he's nice looking. i think i'm better looking than him. i do. i do. i do. and he's slightly younger than me. slightly. no, i heard that, then i saw,
he's okay. he's all right. personally, i like rick ciccone. i think he's handsome. [ cheering and applause ] >> and you did a great job on television today. i watched you, rick. that was a great interview. that was a great interview. i appreciate it too. he's really good. here's the thing. we're dealing with people that want to obstruct. they want to stop us from doing things. we put an infrastructure bill in for $1.7 billion and i hear they want to stop it. they want to stop daca. daca is there issue. i'm willing to go along. get it done. we've got to get it done, right. get it done. besides that, honestly, we need good, great workers in our country because i'm bringing a lot of companies into this country. we're not going to have workers for it. we have to bring them in. but daca, they're here, they're good people and the democrats are trying to not do -- i
offered a deal that was so good you can't refuse, right, like the mob pictures, i'll give you a deal that's so good, you can't refuse. i gave them a deal so good they could not refuse. i did it because i thought they were going to refuse and they did and they're getting killed now by the daca recipients. they're getting killed. but somebody like lamb, he's not going to vote for us. i appreciate his nice words about me. this is trump country, so he has to say nice things. he's smart. so he's saying nice things. here's the problem, as soon as he gets in he's not going to vote for us. he's going to vote the party line. he's going to vote the party line. he doesn't care about us. but for getting your votes, he's talking about how much he likes tariffs, which is my baby and i took a lot of heat over that.
let me tell you, all the countries are calling up, we don't want the tariffs, what do we have to do. the european union, they kill us. a lot of us came from the european union, different countries, right. sounds nice. they kill us on trade. so we put on tariffs an the european union's out there, well we're going to put -- i said you can't go higher than you are anyway and they have trade barriers. we can't sell our farming goods in there. they totally restrict us. they say we want the tariffs taken off. i said good, open up the barriers and get rid of the tariffs. if you don't do that, we're going to tax b bmws and -- we'rg to tax bmws and mercedes-benz. the cars are the big item. that's the big money item. so when i said that, it's like whoa, let's stop talking with this guy. with the european union, we're
like $100 billion down because we had stupid politicians doing stupid things. think of $100 billion. by the way, we're really -- i've always said $71 billion. but mentio mexico, we're $130 m. mexico charges a 16% vat tax. nobody ever talks about that. they do it. that deal was bad the day they made it because they had a tax and we didn't. so they have a 16% vat tax. nobody ever talks about it. but i talk about it. we're either going to renegotiate nafta, and i said we won't put the tariffs on mexico and canada and canada's brutal. canada's really tough. we have a big deficit with canada too. they send in timber, they send in steel, they send in a lot of things but our farmers in wisconsin are not treated well when we want to send things to
them. hey, and i don't blame them. why should i blame them? because they just outsmarted our politicians for decades. and i don't mean obama. i mean all of them. since bush the first, and that includes -- that includes a lot of people. frankly, ronald reagan. you remember. i didn't love his -- i thought he was great. i loved his style, his attitude. he was a great cheerleader for the country but not great on the trade. for many, many years they've been outsmarting. we used to be a nation of tariffs. when other countries would come to the united states, they had to pay for the privilege of taking our product, of taking our jobs. they had to pay. they wanted to come in and sell their product n had t product, . today in china they sell a car to us, they pay 2. 22 22 -- 2.5.
we sell a car in china, it's 25%. why is that 25 and we're 2.5? that's why we have a trade deficit with china of $500 billion a year. it's no good. but we're changing it and it takes a little while. i'm there a year, a little more than a year, we're changing it. [ cheering and applause ] >> we have to. we have a trade deficit, we have a trade deficit with all countries of the world. listen to this number. if there's any children in the room, please close your ears. we have a trade deficit of almost $800 billion a year. who makes these deals? so with mexico -- he says obama. honestly, in all fairness to obama, it's more than obama. it's plenty of people, believe me. plenty of presidents allowed that to happen. and people that worked for the president. so we're going to get a lot of
straightened away, nafta is under work right now and i think they're going to be very good. you saw what i did with the tariffs. they said we don't want to pay tariffs. i said let's make a deal on nafta. and if you make a decent deal, a fair deal for the american worker, the american people, we will -- you'll have no problem with the tariff. i said the same thing to the european union. i said look, you're killing us. we're losing $100 billion a year. you're not accepting our product. they're not accepting our farm product. i want to help the farmers. and they don't accept it. [ cheering and applause ] >> and i said open up your countries. they banded together. why did they band together to screw the united states on trade? that's okay. they're allowed, you know. actually, here it would be called a monopoly, wouldn't be allowed. but those countries got together in order to do well on trade with the united states. people don't know that.
you hear european union, sounds so innocent. it's not innocent. they're very tough. they're very smart. we lose $100 billion a year. they sell stuff into us. we charge them practically nothing. we sell things into them, number one, you can't get it through the barriers. they have artificial barriers. that's not a monetary barrier, that's other things, environmental, they come up with things you wouldn't even believe. we can't get our product in there. so i said open up your barriers, get rid of your tariffs, and we'll do this. we'll have a nice, fair open -- and if you don't do that, that's okay and that's where the cards come in. we have a lot of work to do. but i need people that can help me and this guy can really help me. this guy can really help me. [ cheering and applause ] >> rick ciccone -- and he's got a tough race. i think we won by 22 points and rick, you know, look, it's a
crazy time out there. it's crazy. but i think the republicans -- you never hear this. so i've been -- in fact, i think she's here, karen handle? where is karen? where is she? did i do a good job in atlanta? so karen, is this sort of like a -- karen was down, she started off with a whole group of people, it's a little different voting. she had running for congress in atlanta, the atlanta area, right? so they had a guy, a young guy who spent $34 million, that's still the all-time world record, running to be a congressman, they make $150,000 a year. he spent $34 million. there's something going on, right? i didn't know you were here. somebody said you may be here many that's so great, karen. so karen was running with many republicans. it was like 14 -- 13 republicans, which is crazy. and karen was the one i wanted. but that's a lot of republicans. so karen ended up with about 14 or 15. this guy ended up -- he was
58th, 58th which meant he would have won the he'll e elec, there was no more runoff. we came after that guy and we found out couple of minor things. he didn't live in the district. they said he doesn't live in the district but nobody cares about that. i said really, let's try it on the voter. you have to get 50, in which case the election is over. if you get less than 50 you have a runoff and take the top two. karen was fantastic. she was with so many republicans and he was essentially the only democrat. i brought him down in a period of four days. i got no credit for this from these guys. i brought him down to 48. now he's in a runoff with karen. he's at 48. she's at 15. by the time karen and i finish with this guy, $32 million he spent and she spent slightly less than that, she spent like
$29 million less, right? she spent $29 million less. but by the time we finished, the winner easily by 5 points was karen handle. [ cheering and applause ] >> and they love the job she's doing and i think you're going to have a good victory now. the people have gotten to know you and they love you in the area. i hope i don't have to make speeches like i did last time. but we need karen and we need our congressman ciccone. we have to have him. [ cheering and applause ] >> we have to have him. nancy pelosi, maxine waters, the only chance she's got to become speaker is electing democrats. we don't have a big margin. it's just a very small -- i mean, they're doing a number in your state. you see what they're doing with the congressional districts. they're doing a number and hopefully the united states
supreme court will take that case because this is horrible what they've done. they had state judges that are democrats change your voting districts. what kind of stuff is that? what kind of stuff? [booing] >> it's going to make it very hard for republicans that are great republicans that would easily win and now it's all changed. and it's very unfair. let's see what happens. it's litigation, it's in court. let's see what happens. but it's very unfair. the people of pittsburgh cannot be conned by this guy lamb. you just can't do it. because he's, again, he's never going to vote for us. he can say i love president trump. i agree with everything he says. you know what? i don't want to meet him. because anybody that says that, i might like him and then rick is going to be very angry at me, right? no, he's going around saying -- but he's not going to do that stuff. he's not going to do it. there's no way he's going for
the things that his party -- i said he's not going to vote for pelosi. that could be possible. but most people are. most people are. but he says he's not going to do that. he's going to do this for steel, he's going to do that. the democrats are opposed to those things. he's weak on crime. he's weak on the border. he's weak on the second amendment. but all of a sudden he got strong. by the way, in terms of abortion, take a look at his record. take a look. it's amazing. he's come back. take a look at his record. because where his record is, that's where he's going. so pelosi's party in congress is full of people who tell their voters one thing during the election and they go to washington and vote lock step. you know, the one thing i noticed about them and i've been there now for 14 months, 14 months, can you -- have we done a lot? [ cheering and applause ]
>> we have done more than any first term administration in the history of our country. we have. you take a look at what we've done. [ cheering and applause ] >> regulation, tax cuts, federal judges, a great, great supreme court justice gor gorsich, grea. we passed the biggest tax cut in the history of our country. didn't get one democrat vote. didn't get one. by the way, how good is that kicking in? remember? remember? we passed it -- we didn't get one democrat vote. think of that, notice one. and now they're -- not one. they're all getting a little nervous. that's okay. we didn't get one. what helped when at&t and the big companies came, they paid thousands and thousands of dollars in bonuses to millions of people. i think it's up to 5 million
people now. and that was not in the schedule. but they're paying the money out and the people are getting the money and i'll tell you what, we're so proud of that. but we also got rid of the individual mandate from obamacare which basically guts out obamacare. that will be next. that will be next. [ cheering and applause ] >> that's where you pay a lot of money for the privilege of not getting health care. okay? how do you like that one? how that one made it through court i will not -- made it through twice. you pay a lot of money for the privilege. we got rid of the individual mandate. nobody talks about it. the tax bill is so massive, biggest one ever done and we're calling it tax reform. this is where a nonpolitician like me is good. because they had a name and for 40 years they couldn't pass anything. i kept saying how is it possible not to pass tax cuts? sir, i don't know, we just can't
pass, reagan was the last one that did a big bill and we just can't pass. i said what's the problem? sir, the tax reform is not easy. i said wait a minute, do you call it tax reform? or do you call it tax cuts? and he said -- [ cheering and applause ] >> right? and he said no, sir, we call it tax reform because we're doing a lot of reform. i said look, people don't know what reform means. neither do i. people want tax cuts. they don't know. they don't know. they want tax cuts! [ cheering and applause ] >> they want tax cuts and honestly the word reform it could mean you're going to triple your taxes. we're going to reform taxes and triple. i said nobody knows what it means. it could be really bad. so they said you know, we never thought of this, this after 40 years, nobody ever thought of
it. they said could you come up with a name and i did. you know what it's called? the tax cut, cut, cut, cut bill. i must tell you -- on this i think they were right. the politicians thought this was hokey. so we call it the u.s. tax cut and jobs bill. which is nice. which is nice. [ cheering and applause ] >> and we got it passed. we had unanimous in the republican party and unanimous for the democrats. and by the way, you're going to have a great man running as a republican for the senate. while we're here, rick, we should say it, right? sweet lou, right? he's going to be great. he's got a chance. he's with you all the way. he loves the state. he loves the people and we'll be out fighting for him very, very hard. okay? you know who that is. you know. but he's going to be running. he's running already. he's going to be fantastic. we passed the tax cuts. we didn't have one democrat
vote. think of that. so i think they have a problem. historically, after a presidential election, the other side like always wins. and i've told you, you heard the story. because people become come play sent. yocomplascent you like me? i like you to. i love you. [ cheering and applause ] >> i love you. [ cheering and applause ] >> so is there any more fun than at a trump rally? [ cheering and applause ] >> you know, a lot of times i have to do like readings, we'll pass an environmental bill and they want me to go to a -- i'm spoiled. if i go to a small place and they have 2,000 people i'm like
why don't we open a stadium. other guys go out and get 50 people, we're satisfied. we need crowds like this. the fire marshal is fantastic. they had a lot of people out. i don't want to get him in trouble but he opened up the doors and he's got guys there and he let most of the people that were -- they were sent away. hlook at the corners. the cameras are never going to cover the corners. they're never going to cover the corners. they're never going to cover -- they never show the crowds. they never like to show the crowds, ever. you know, the only thing is the noise. because you can't -- it sounds like a penn state football game. it sounds like an ohio state football game. right? you can't -- [ cheering and applause ] >> i'll say to friends, i'll say to friends did you see my speech last night? yes. i have to say, how good was i? how good?
and they say good. i said did they show the crowd? no, they didn't. he said but you know what? i could tell by the noise that the crowd was really big. you can't hide that. [ cheering and applause ] >> you can't hide that. [ cheering and applause ] >> can't do it. [ cheering and applause ] >> so the democrats are the party of sanctuary cities. explain that one, right? [booing] >> they like to protect criminals. they like to protect ms13. these are the -- this is the party of -- how about that? how about that? how about i.c.e., the i.c.e. guys are tough. they go in and they're not playing games. the only thing i hate to say this, not so politically correct, but the only thing these gang members understand is
toughness. i hate to say it. they're not interested in genius. they're not interested in -- they're interested in somebody that's tougher than them. and we have the toughest people you've ever seen and they went out to long island and they grabbed them by the neck and they threw them into the paddy wagon. we're cleaning out. we're doing that. >> build that wall! billebuild that wall! build that wall! build that wall! build that wall! >> we are building the wall, 100%. [ cheering and applause ] >> 100%. the president of mexico, who i think is a really nice guy, because it's been build a wall and i can't get through a speech without somebody -- i was all set to say build a wall and these guys start screaming, build a wall. the president of mexico calls. we're in the midst of
negotiating nafta. so we have a little sticking point. he called up and respectfully, because he's a high quality guy, and he called up, he goes mr. president, we would like you to make a statement that mexico will not pay for the wall. i said are you crazy? you think i'm going to -- i'm not making that statement. he said well, have you to. i said is it a deal breaker? he said yes. i said bye-bye without making a deal. there's no way i make it. what i will say and what i told him is president, don't worry, it all comes out in the wash. we're going to put it into the nafta agreement. nobody's going to be talking too much about it we're going to make a better nafta deal. we have to. when we lose $130 billion with mexico, i think we can do a little better than that. right? the wall, you know what the wall is, it's this, you don't even notice it. it's like a little asterisk on the bottom. okay.
so he said to me that and i said we can't do that. we actually broke it up. he was going to come to washington. no way i'm going to say anything like that. but i will say we will build a wall. we have to build a wall. we have to build a wall and the democrats are holding it back. we had a deal, $25 billion and if i get $25 billion for the wall, you're going to have a lot of change. you're going to have a lot of change. i've got all the big builders, the best ones in the wolfed. world.i know the best builders. we save a lot of money on air force 1, $1.4 billion we save. 1 poin1.4. it's still too expensive. it's crazy. we saved a lot of money. we saved $1.4 billion. that's worth a 10 minute meeting. i don't care how big the united states is. but we're going to build the
wall and we have to build the wall. for people, for gangs, for drugs, the drugs has never been a problem like we have right now. and by the way, like the world has with drugs. and you know what? we fill up these councils. they all want to be on councils. they call them blue ribbon councils where we take melania, great first lady, we take -- cheese great. [ cheering and applausshe's gre. [ cheering and applause ] >> she is great. you think her life is so easy, folks? not so easy. she's a great first lady. we put melania and other people on this blue ribbon committee. you think the drug dealers that kill thousands of people during their lifetime, do you think they care who's on a blue ribbon committee? the only way to solve the drug problem is through toughness. when you catch a drug dealer,
you got to put him away for a long time. when i was in china, and other places, by the way, i said mr. president, do you have a drug problem? no, no, no, we do not. i said huh, big country, 1.4 billion people, right, not much of a drug problem. i said what do you attribute that to? well, the death penalty. hey, if you're a drug dealer and you know you're going to get caught and you know that you're going to kill people, you're killing our kids, they're killing our kids, they're killing our kids. they're killing our families. they're killing our workers. you know, we have a hard time, of the 100 million people, that special group of people, they want to work, we have a hard time. a lot of them can't qualify to work at the countries. chrysler is coming from mexico to michigan. we have companies coming back into the united states.
you haven't seen that. i used to tell you that was going to happen. but now it's happening. but a problem, a lot of people can't qualify because of drugs. what i said to the president, i said so you don't have much of a problem? no. and they had a problem. if you go back 200 years if you go back 200 years ago, they know about drugs. ed the opium was defend taughting to china. it dose troyed china. and i'm not going to let it destroy us. i don't even know. you don't know that the united states is ready for it. but you have to give long, tough sentences. if you go to singapore, i said, mr. president what happens with your drugs. >> no, we don't have a problem.
chain migration and the diversity lottery visa program. there's wiggle room there, trish. >> shepard: is it giving republicans heart attacks there? they're thinking of the shut down. thinking how can i ever win? >> i disagree with robin. one thing about the schumer shut down that played into trump's hands and played in his favor -- trish, you have to remember looking historically, americans are not paying attention to the government shut down. reagan shut it down three times with 3% growth. i want him to draw a line in the sand and say one of the reasons i was elected is to build a wall and to have increased border security. the thing that is puzzling to me, trish, somehow obama found $150 billion to bribe the mullahs and we kind find $25 billion to build a wall? >> you know they're going to find it. >> of course. >> walk me through how this will play out politically speaking
for the democrats. there's a sense that they just want to open the flood gates, get rid of ice and i don't know as that plays into peoria, as they say, everyday americans want to feel safe, they don't want to feel under siege from a group of people that are here illegally. >> yeah, i think it's very clear that many democrats are not interested in serving americans. as a hispanic american, i got frustrated with the messaging from the democratic party that like to pose as the party of representing hispanic individuals when in reality, that's not the case. they've promised time and time again to resolve and help individuals that were brought here illegally as children and something that they cave on every time. it's clear what their interests are and their interests are honestly open borders and lawlessness. that's something that doesn't play well politically and
is, trish. you're right. money is much better off than the afternoon person's hands or the company's hands or a 401(k)s hands than it is in the government's hands. think about it as i listened to the intro. the last time we had a tax cut from a democrat was john kennedy. since then, any time you've heard about a tax cut, you heard about tax cuts for the rich. if you hear about the republicans wanting to cut regulations, they want dirty water and dirty air. if we want to secure the border, the republicans want to rip children out of the arms of their mothers. >> the wicked party, the way they're painting this. a bunch of meanies. >> and you know that we index for brackets. why wouldn't we index to protect investors against the ravages of inflation that we've seen running 2 and 3%. every ten years it costs you 20%. inflation and taxes eat up a huge amount of investment gain. that could go back to
reinvestment, creating more jobs and more growth. if we think we're going to balance budgets by cutting spending, we're dreaming. we have to grow our way out of those deficits. >> yeah, i'd like to see some fat get cut out of the budgets. but i agree in the growth. i agree in the importance of growth. sometimes you have to spend a little to make a little. >> absolutely. trish, that's an -- >> but what they're talking about, you know, it's indexing for inflation, capital gains taxes. is it a complicated story to present to the american people right now? will the democrats try to do that in ways that are not necessarily good for the economy? >> a great point. to answer your question, they're going to take advantage of this politically. you're going to hear tax cuts for the rich. it's going to be their montra going into 2018. i think it's going to wear thin on the american people. let me tell you why. they've heard it over and over and over again from the democrats. it's nothing new. they're not bringing something
new to the table. and the average person -- the democrats may want to play this class warfare but it's not working with the average american. i talked to a group of construction workers in pittsburgh sunday. they said we hope the rich get richer, build buildings. >> obvious. everybody wants to make more. i get it. the american way. thanks, craig. >> good seeing you. >> facebook taking action to crack down on election fraud. homeland security kirstjen nielsen on "the daily briefing" with more. mike emanuel? >> a stunning announcement from facebook's chief operating officer this afternoon. >> earlier this morning, we removed 32 pages and accounts from instagram because they were involved in coordinated inauthentic behavior. this kind of behavior is not allowed on facebook because we don't want organizations or individuals creating networks of account that mislead people about who they are or what
they're doing. >> while facebook didn't directly blame russia, some lawmakers are pointing the finger at moscow. the senate intelligence's committee top democrat, mark warner from virginia, says it's time for the trump administration to get serious. >> what is disturbing is that we still have a white house that refuses to acknowledge this problem. we had a closed testimony this morning the banking committee. some of the folks talking about the sanctions on russia. no one from the administration can say who is in charge of election security. >> as for the trump administration, the secretary of homeland security offered this reaction with fox's dana perino. >> facebook has taken it seriously. they should be commended for what they did today. shows that the threat is very real. americans need to know that. the russians or whoever it is in this case, we haven't attributed it, but russia is trying to manipulate us. >> it's a serious concern with
mid-terms 14 weeks away, trish. >> thanks, mike emanuel. paul manafort is in court in alexandria, virginia today. it's the first trial to result from the russia probe. does it have anything to do with russia? >> this has nothing to do with collusion, russia or nothing to do with the trump campaign. won't replace the full value of your new car? you'd be better off throwing your money right into the harbor. i'm gonna regret that. with liberty mutual new car replacement we'll replace the full value of your car. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty ♪
just didn't understand the tax code and so if anything, his punishment should be the same as other americans who make a mistake. an audit. not charges of fraud and life in prison if convicted. paul manafort's team is trying to point the finger at rick gates who pleaded guilty to lesser charges and does plan to testify against paul manafort at the trial. the prosecution sent by robert mueller spent about 20 minutes detailing his lavish lifestyle and explaining expensive houses that he bought with the money from the ukrainians. while mueller's team was going through the life of luxury that paul manafort leads, the judge in this case, t.s. ellis, interrupted to say that it's not a crime to have a lot of money. so it does appear that that is
how things are going right now for the mueller team. opening statements just wrapped up there. about to go to the first witness and we don't know who it is. trish? >> trish: it's interesting for the judge to say that. thanks, peter. if bob mueller's team loses this case is the white house in trouble? the white house says they have had nothing to do with the russian collusion and rudy guliani is calling it illegitimate. here to sort it out, judge andrew napolitano. you were surprised? >> i was shocked. judges have an unwritten rule not to interrupt in opening and closing statements. but this judge is not keen on the government's case. he said that bob mueller has sent you here to squeeze this guy to get information out of him that will help indict, charge and embarrass or impeach the president of the united states and i don't want to be a
part of it. then they persuaded him it was a legitimate case and that's why the case is going forward. so there's two arguments here. one is that the judge is right. the only reason that they're prosecuting paul manafort is because they want him two trials, two months in solitary confinement. about imposing the most pressure that they can put on an innocent person. they want him to squeal on something, they don't know what on donald trump. the other argument is they're prosecutors. if they're looking for russian collusion and stumble on bank fraud, they can't long the other way. that i have to prosecute. >> trish: part of the problem with the special prosecutor. you'll find something along the way. >> and paul manafort's lawyers are former prosecutors. they're very talented. one of the arguments is this. paul manafort was investigated by the federal government by a
team of federal for all the stuff eight years ago and they exonerated him. who was the young prosecutor that led that exoneration? rod rosenstein. who now runs the justice department and has threatened to call deputy attorney general rod rosenstein as their first witness and have him give to the jury all the reasons why he declined the prosecution of these charges eight years ago. >> trish: you think they have gotten anything from him? has mueller's team gotten what they wanted or hoped to find from paul manafort? >> absolutely not. on the steps of the courthouse this morning after a jury selection, this afternoon actually and before the opening statements, manafort's lawyer turned to the press and said, all deals are off, we will not settle anything, we won't give them anything. water rolling the dice with the jury. >> trish: collusion is one thing but that's a bad word, right? >> i'm so happy you said that.
you know, i read a column every news at foxnews.com. my column is that collusion is a hollywood and media term. the crime is conspiracy, an agreement to commit a crime, whether or not you actually commit it. so for rudy guliani to say there's no such crime as collusion, he's right. it's the wrong word. >> trish: and don jr. had this meeting with the russian lawyer that somehow that is "proof" of that term that you're not wild about, collusion. but at the same time, judge, you had hillary's camp going all the way to russia on foreign soil paying for intel to dig up dirt on donald trump. if one is collusion, why isn't the other? >> it's conspiracy, not collusion. but i've been complaining for 18 months now about the justice department looking the other way for the many crimes of hillary clinton. they're not bound by jim comey's
statement that she's not going to be prosecuted. they're not bound by any decision by loretta lynch not to pros cute here but they don't want to go near it. >> trish: judge, good to see it. >> thanks, trish. >> trish: we'll be right back. new laptop with 24/7 tech support. yep, thanks guys. i think he might need some support. yes start them off right. with the school supplies they need at low prices all summer long. save $200 on this dell laptop at office depot officemax. save $200 on this dell laptop but how do i know if i'm i'm getting a good deal?
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according to a new study. a plan for everybody would cost the government $32 million and hit taxpayers with massive hikes. if democrats are going to slam the gop for increasing the debt, how can they answer to this? right? you can't have it both ways. what is the expression? can't have your cake and eat it, too. good to see you both. sure, they want to spend on one thing. getting out on another. why isn't there any consistency? why are we hearing about so many fiscal conservatives in the democratic party when it comes to sandra's plan? >> i think what matters to democrats is where the money is spent. sure, a lot of money over a lot of years. $3.3 trillion a year. that's about what we spent currently annually. what democrats want to do is spent taxpayer money where it benefits the vast majority of taxpayers. we have something like the recent suggestion that we would
$100 billion of tax cuts on capitol gains, but, you know, 86 to 90% of the gains, the benefits, would go to the top 1%. >> trish: you say democrats want to spend the money where they think it is most fit. i think patrice, the flip side of that is, most americans would say, you know what? it would be quite nice if i could keep what i actually earn, most of it anyway. so if you're looking to spend something, maybe the answer is actually to invest in your own people themselves. the hard work that they have put in. your thoughts. >> absolutely. you're talking about a plan that would take choice and control over your resources away from individual families. the report really points out, you know,you don't know the kind of access to timely coverage or healthcare will be. you're talking about shoving millions of people into one
healthcare system and not necessarily increasing the number of providers. you may lose doctors and hospitals as a result of this because of the reimbursement rates will be lower and so you have people that are going to be -- you may have rationed care or lining up around the corner to get your annual physical. that's not the best piece of my tax dollars. i'd rather have a system where i can get my health system or healthcare. >> trish: market force going into the equation. >> yeah, here's the fact. we have a problem with healthcare. democrats are trying to find a way to solve it. 600,000 family as year. talk to them about what choices they have. they have no choices. their efficiencies were acknowledged by the study that came out of george mason university. the last thing i'll say is, there's various estimates. one is that the bernie sanders camp uses, $1.4 trillion over ten years. that's what the government is playing now.
>> trish: it's a problem and needs solving. i just wouldn't want to see a situation where we run the risk, patrice, of turning into a system like canada's where, you know -- i've known people that don't get the right kinds of tests and the right kind of medical care that they need because it's all run by a bureaucratic government. >> absolutely. in some countries, the government decides whether your hemorrhoid treatment will be covered. they decide whether certain illnesses for older people would end up being covered. while i recognize a lot of americans want good healthcare and healthcare coverage, this is not necessarily the best answer. the market has not been perfect but certainly has provided the better solutions. there's nothing wrong with being able to find a good common sense plan that fits somewhere in the middle. >> it will keep a lit on the costs, too. watch how quickly that happens.
anyway, good to see you both. danielle, patrice, thank you. kim jong-un made a commitment to denuclearize during that summit with president trump. but u.s. officials telling fox news that it's business as usual for north korea's missile program. so where do we go from here? we're on it for you next. mail and packages. and it's also a story about people and while we make more e-commerce deliveries to homes than anyone else in the country, we never forget... that your business is our business the united states postal service. priority: you
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>> trish: watching shares of apple up in after hours trading. beating earning and sales estimates. more in just a moment. but another big story. officials telling fox news that north korea is working on ballistic missiles at one of their facilities. this after kim jong-un made a commitment to denuclearize at the summit last month. how will it impact relations? rebecca joins me with more. good to see you. this is disappointed, shall we say. maybe perhaps the u.s. was thinking that we could actually
get him to stop and he did stop some production but apparently this is still ongoing. how should we think about this given the big pomp and circumstance and the ceremony around the denuclearization. >> it's not really unexpected. i would expect, you know, ambassador bolton and secretary pompeo and the president to not be shocked by the reports. the north koreas stopped their missile testing and the administration keeps pointing to that as a success. that's just a part of the missile and nuclear program. they can still create more capacity. it's a problem. back to that document you talked about that came out of singapore where they promised to denuclearize. that was very broad. they never said when or what they had or how it was going to leave the country. that is all being negotiated between the united states and north korea. >> trish: and we're still playing hardball. >> that's a critical piece of
the puzzle. the trump administration is category different than the previous administration. even though it's fully willing to engage because of president trump to have these talks, the trump administration has not been willing to relent on the pressure, on the sanctions in place, so none of this missile development is coming from sanctions relief from the united states. that's an important part. so where do we go from here? you said those at the top are not surprised by it but a little disheartening amid the progress they're still up to their old tricks. how do we move forward toward full denuclearization if they're not willing to be on board? >> i mean, diploma my is a slog. the trump administration has made clear that they need a year to get in the country and figure out what the inventory of the missiles and pieces are and to get them out of country which
means the clock is ticking. we have to december, january to continue to pressure. the north koreans are playing hardball. they want to continue showing that they're doing some pieces of their program. they're pushing the trump administration to get economic relief and that type of thing. it's not the end of the story. >> trish: and let's go to iran. the president said sure, i'll sit down. i'll give him this. he said he will sit down with anyone. he doesn't need to put preconditions on anything. he's willing to have a conversation. i think that is healthy. it's good to have a dialogue with even these rogue regimes. so he will sit down with iran. he said he doesn't think they're there yet. are we running a risk here in that he's willing to sit down with that one, willing to sit down with that one but if nothing is being accomplished or
they're up to their old tricks, are we in a tougher spot? >> no. we're willing to talk. he doesn't use it as a reward. he uses it as a starting point. he's not going to let go on sanctions. we're hitting the iranians really hard. their economy is not in good shape. he's ready to talk to president rouhani. he's not the supreme leader. if he sits with anybody, it would be the supreme leader, not rouhani. it's interesting that president trump is willing to do this because he's so focused on outcomes. he doesn't care about the idealogical point. >> it's very inciteful what you're saying. he's not using the meetings as a reward. he's trying to have a legitimate dialogue and you have to start somewhere. it's nice if you can meet
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kristina partsinevelos here with us. where do we start? >> big things, earnings came in higher than expected. $2.34. that's the ninth quarter in a row. apple seems to do it. revenue higher than expected. a big focus point is services. services encompasses music, iphone care, the apple pay, all of that came in about 31% higher when you compare it to last year. he's a huge increase and shows how the company is not only a device company but a services company. >> trish: what they projected for next quarter beat with analysts were estimating. we're looking at a 59.5 billion. now they're saying it's going to be like $60 billion for next quarter. >> positive outlook. >> amazing for apple.
investors like that. trading up all day and after hours. everybody says trade is a problem, tariffs are a problem. how is it hitting apple? >> it's not hitting them and i don't think it will. we've heard president trump mention on more than one occasion, the special carvesouts. there's the fox come plan here. one of the biggest construction projects in american history. what is interesting, apple's stock is up 12%. with the tech wreck that we've seen, amazon up 52%. google up 17%. this is stock that never gets the respect that it should get. we know a long time tim cook coming in steve jobs shadow. but at this point, to your point, the guidance up where it is, the sales, over and over again and branching out into services, this is a stock that should be higher. >> what do you think is
motivating this this? everybody needs a phone, right? it's a must-have. except charles. [laughter] >> you would think -- you have a two-year life span. most people will reinvest in a phone. we hit this saturation of smart phones. that's why apple is shifting away to services. they're expected to launch three more phones in september. you want hear that on the earnings call tonight. it's not their motif. they don't normally do that. i've been hearing leaked records. the mac blog. a larger phone. >> yeah. why not? >> basically a mini version of the ipad. >> and more money. people have more money now. >> they have more money. >> they're employed. >> and revenue was up 30%. like i said, it's really trying to integrate themselves into our lives. you cannot go into whole foods on any grocery store for that matter without having the option
to pay via apple pay. so little by little, we're doing to see how apple pay amongst other things, apple music integrating into all aspects of what we do. >> might with a philosophical issue for tim cook. remember how he was able to stay above the frey with respect to how the other big teches have abused our data and privacy? as they get into the service area, we're going to share more information with them. they can monetize it. they don't have to. they're sitting on $243 billion cash on hand right now. >> globally speaking, these american tech companies trying to do business and do do tons of business overseas, we keep hearing from many in the investing environment that they're concerned about the threat of tariffs and what that will mean for things. it didn't affect apple in terms of this quarter. doesn't seem to be affecting them in terms of the coming
quarters given the outlook. so at what point does that matter? or like what we've seen on other things a bunch of posturing from the president? >> they have put out a real good earnings report friday. 159 conference calls. tariffs mentioned 17 times. 19 times negative. for this quarter and the quarter ahead. we know specifically obviously lumber and coca-cola, carbonated soft drink sales are down. they've been raising price as long time. there's serious issues they're dealing with. >> apple has 40 stores in china. mcdonald's has store in china. >> some real, too. >> very good point. >> there's been some talk about that, those stores getting hit and the suppliers because apple builds their phones there. so you're not seeing that reflected right now in the service end. >> knock on wood. >> they're completely trying to shift away.when you have a he
little bit of a divot in iphone sales or any sort of device sales and you see this increase in revenue and services, this is apple in some ways trying to protect themselves in case there's some sort of trade issue, which we're not really seeing at this point. >> i've known heetha for many years. i feel like every time we go into consumer spending times, the fall, you're going to tell me how it's going to be down and not so good and things are not so great. now we go into fall and we go into christmas et cetera, looking ahead, it feels better, right? >> completely. >> trish: leave it there. >> a high note. >> i'll take it. >> trish: forget the democrats. gop leaders. not liking the president's threat of a shut down before the mid-terms. one speaking out. you'll hear from him next. so you have, your headphones, chair,
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>> trish: president trump doubling down on a shut down. he's threatening to close the government if democrats don't sign on to more border security funding. he wants the wall and the money for it. democrats say bad idea and some republicans like senate appropriations committee chairman richard shelby agree. good to have you here. welcome. >> thank you. >> trish: so you're saying neither party wins, right? when the government shuts down, bad for everyone and you don't like the political posturing that is being used right now. >> we're trying to avoid a situation where it would call for a government shut down. we've been working the appropriations process as we speak on the floor of the senate. we're working it together to try to stay within the
appropriations bills and keep riders and authorizations off of them. we hope to make those deadlines. i don't know if we'll make it all between now and october 1. now, i shared some of the president's concern about the border. we have not protected our border for 30, 40 years. it's gotten worse and worse. he wants more money. we don't know how -- where we can get the money. at the same time, that will be something that we'll have to work out between the house and the senate. right now we're going to continue to work the appropriations process and try to avoid the spector of a shut down come october 1. >> trish: senator, does this put more pressure on you and your colleagues, the threat of the shut down, the president willing to put that out there as where he's willing to go if you guys are not successful? you feel more pressure as a result of the threat? >> pressure works.
fear works with us. we fear a government shut down. we should try to avoid it. maybe the president is sending us a message. he's sent several messages that he's clear. >> trish: you can say. what do you think it will cost? $25 billion realistic enough? >> i don't have any idea. it's a multiyear deal. i would hope a wall would secure the borders, but i'm not sure about it. people come in here, fly in and never leave. probably millions of people come to this country. we have a real immigration problem and i'm aware of it and i hope congress is aware of it. >> trish: how do you succeed in this effort? what is it you can do and your colleagues can do to actually see this through to the finish line so that you're not looking at the possibility of a threat of a shut down as you head into
mid-terms? >> we have money what the initial number was asked for by the administration in the senate bill. the house has a higher bill. we have to resolve those differences. the president wants more money. we'll see what the process brings. as i said again, a lot of the american people realize that our immigration system is broken. the president is right here. we do not protect our borders. he's right again. we ought to do everything we can to do this. this is a step in the right direction. let's see if we can make it. >> what do you say to the democrats saying we need to get rid of ice? we need to start over. >> we probably needed to start it over a long time ago but now we have what it is today. we have an immigration service they're. we have a border patrol and everything. we need to step it up. we need to protect the country. we haven't. we can do better. to start all over, i don't know what would happen in the
meantime. >> trish: all right. like you said, fear, threats. sometimes they work. you have your work cut out. thank you. >> thank you. >> trish: we'll have more after this.
manage expectations, they would like to let investors know if it's a problem and they are not saying so. it's good news. we'll talk more about it tomorrow on "the intelligence report." 2:00 p.m. eastern on the fox business network. "the five" starts now. >> jesse: i'm jesse watters with katie pavlich, juan williams, dana perino and charlie hurt. it's 5:00 in new york city, and this is "the five" ." president trump is taking his america first message on the road. less than two hours from now, he's going to be firing up the crowd in tampa, florida, to drum up support for gubernatorial candidate congressman ron desantis. we've seen a dramatic turn around in the polls after trump endorsed him. desantis is getting attention for this funny ad. >> everyone knows my husband ron
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somebody, in other words make up stories if you don't know, they just make up lies. alan dershowitz stayed composed. i've seen it many times. they go from ten years to a national hero. they have a statue erected in their honor. it's not a fair thing. but that's why he did it. he made a very good deal. >> all right. let's immediately go to our white house correspondent kaitlan collins at the white house. this is a big deal that a long-time friend and associate of the president of the united states, david pecker of american media, cooperating with federal prosecutors in exchange for immunity. what are you hearing of these latest attacks and the revelations about david pecker's role in helping michael cohen facilitate these hush money payments? >> reporter: yeah, wolf, you're right. this is a big deal, and it's not good news for president trump. "the wall street journal" reporting that david pecker and an editor at the national
enquirer have been granted immunity in this case. before, we had previously reported that david pecker had been subpoenaed in all this. we knew that he told prosecutors in the southern district of new york, which is investigating michael cohen and these hush payments made to these women alleging they had affairs with the president, that he told them that president trump was aware of those payments at the time. that would contradict what the white house and what president trump have tried to say for several months now, including prurp president trump on camera yesterday saying he didn't know about the payments until later on, even though there's an audio recording of him and michael cohen discussing how to make one of the payments. this is big news because david pecker is a long-time ally of the president. that's why he had a role in helping to cover up these affairs with these women. they were trying to quiet them so they would not hurt the president's chances in the election. now, what this means, they're getting immunity here, wolf, is
david pecker must have valuable testimony, prosecutors believe, and that's why they're granting him immunity in something like this. clearly a very big deal, likely something that is not going to please the president here, wolf, after you just heard him say that he believes that flipping, which revealing information you have so you could have a lesser sentence about someone, should be illegal. that is what the president said during an interview yesterday. now with this news, it certainly is not going to be welcome here in the west wing. >> another source of grave, grave concern, i am sure, for the president of the united states. david pecker granted immunity in exchange for his cooperation with the u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york, as well as the special counsel presumably. kaitlan, stand by. i know you'll be getting more reaction. i want to get some analysis.
let me read to you what michael cohen said before the federal judge in new york when he pleaded guilty to all those charges, specifically what he said about american media and david pecker and the role of the president of the united states in facilitating that $150,000 payment to karen mcdougal, the former playboy playmate. this is what michael cohen said. i'll read it very carefully. as to count number seven, on or about the summer of 2016 in coordination with and at the direction of a candidate for federal office, i and the ceo of a media company at the request of the candidate worked together to keep an individual with information that would be harmful to the candidate and to the campaign from publicly disclosing this information. after a number of discussions, we eventually accomplished the goal by the media company entering into a contract with the individual under which she
received compensation of $150,000. i participated in this conduct which on my part took place in manhattan for the principal purpose of influencing the election. now we've learned since that statement from michael cohen that david pecker received immunity in exchange for his cooperation. >> this is truly stunning. reading from that, you can make it very obvious that david pecker probably made a beeline to the u.s. attorney's office in new york to say, excuse me, i know i've been implicated as well. also, you probably prepared for this long before. when the audiotape recording came out from lanny davis talking about a conversation recorded secretly by michael cohen and the president of the united states, he talked about david pecker and resolving all of the issues act information that might come out before the campaign. i'm sure at that point he was on notice he would be implicated at some point in the future. you see it happening in black and white in front of a court of law. now immunity means he'll be able
publication, and a long-time friend and associate of the president, that's a huge deal. >> it is. what this week has done is move this firmly into the realm of the legal. it has been for months this balance between what's happening on the legal front, what's happening on the political front. the problem for the president is squarely in the legal realm, which is what matters. that could have political implications. you're still seeing republicans in congress trying to figure out, you know, what to do, how to respond, and whether to do any of it publicly. but this absolutely changes the dynamics of what we're talking about because there are now -- so far it doesn't matter what the president has said publicly. what's always mattered more is what people would say under oath. remember, the context of this, we were talking, have been talking all this time about whether the president would sit for questions with mr. mueller's team. i think in light of what mr. cohen did and now this report about david pecker, we understand how perilous that would be. >> and you mentioned it,
richard. catch and kill. you catch someone saying something bad about donald trump, you offer money, you kill the story, you never publish it. that's what the nature of catch and kill. everybody stand by. there's more breaking news. lau laura jar rhe laura jarrett at the justice department with another story. >> a rare statement from the attorney general, jeff sessions, today, issuing a brush back to the president after that fiery interview he game on fox. i want to read the full statement to you, wolf. this is truly extraordinary. we rarely hear from sessions, especially pushing back on the president. he says in part, here, i took control of the justice department the day i was sworn in, which is why we have had unprecedented success at effectuating the president's agenda, one that protects the safety and security and rights of the american people, reduces crime and enforces our immigration laws, promotes economic growth, and advances liberty. he goes on, wolf, to say, while i am attorney general, the
actions of the justice department will not be improperly influenced by political considerations. i demand the highest standards, and where they are not met, i take action. however, no nation has a more talented and more dedicated group of law enforcement investigators and prosecutors than the united states. finally, he says, i am proud to serve with them, proud of the work we have done in successfully advancing the rule of law. so clearly a push back to the president here. it's measured, but this is very rare, wolf. he never does this. the last time he issued this type of statement was back in february when the president questioned his integrity again, surrounding the fisa situation with carter page. but otherwise, he rarely does this, wolf. we expect him at the white house later today for an entirely different subject on criminal justice reform. >> it really is significant because the president of the united states in this most
recent interview with fox news, he really went after sessions. i'm going to play the clip. i don't know if we have it cued up yet. i'm going to play the clip of what the president said about jeff sessions, the man he named to be the attorney general of the united states, a man who has served as the top law enforcement officer in the united states and the president once again humiliated him publicly, rebuked him publicly, said the only reason he has this job is because he was loyal to him during the presidential campaign. if we have that clip, let me play it right now. >> he took the job, and then he said, i'm going to recuse myself. i said, what kind of a man is this? the only reason i gave him the job, because i felt loyalty. he was an original supporter. >> this isn't the first time, but it seems to be the most direct moment that the president has so publicly gone after the man he named to be the attorney general. >> it's true, wolf. it's interesting.
i think some of us have become almost numb to the daily tweets. just recently he said the attorney general was missing in action. he sort of does thee daily tweet storms on the attorney general on a variety of other officials, including bruce ohr, a career official here at the justice department. he's talked about withdrawing that man's security clearance. so the president has lashed out frequently on twitter, but it's another thing to go on fox, to make those type of statements about your own attorney general. dle clearly today jeff sessions had enough. we'll see what the reaction is. we'll see what the interaction is between the two of them at the white house later today. if we can catch that on camera. it's also interesting, you know, leaders on capitol hill today were questioned at length about whether the president could fire jeff sessions before the midterms. they were unanimous in saying that would be a political disaster. >> yes, they were. all the republicans we caught up with, the senators and members
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he got his job as the top law enforcement officer of the united states was because he was loyal to donald trump during the presidential campaign. let's get reaction right now from republican congressman ryan costello of pennsylvania. congressman, thanks so much for joining us. so give me your reaction to this exchange. a pretty extraordinary exchange. i don't think i've ever heard a president publicly rebuke an attorney general along these lines and now the attorney general jeff sessions saying to the president, you know what, i'm not going anywhere. we got a job to do. >> i agree. i haven't heard it either. i would agree with your reporter who coined it rare and measured. i think it's more than anything else jeff sessions who's probably had enough. if you listen to conservative radio or certain news channel, every single day jeff sessions is just getting lit up. i think what the president did in sort of describing what he wants his attorney general to do also makes it a little more difficult for whomever the next attorney general is who has to go through senate confirmation.
loyalty is not the test for an attorney general. fidelity to the law, independence, and following the law and protecting individual rights and upholding the constitution is the standard. so the president's description of something other than that, i think, is a little troubling. and then my final point there is the laws of political gravity don't always apply to a president in realtime. this president has actually demonstrated that sometimes they don't apply at all. we're in a situation now where i think you're going to speak about the a.m.i. issue, where the color ration of this is looking different now. >> it certainly is. if the president so much dislikes, distrusts, can't stand jeff sessions, why doesn't he just fire him? >> well, it would reflect poorly upon him, number one, and while
it would be problematic, i think, for republicans to have to answer those questions, it would also enable republicans the ability to assert some independence. i think middle america is looking for republicans to stand up and call balls and strikes fairly here. so while i think it would be a problem for the president, i don't subscribe to what some are suggesting that somehow this would be a problem for republicans. i do think that confirming someone else becomes extremely difficult. this obviously then clouds or makes it all the more challenging to get judge kavanaugh through confirmation in the coming weeks. >> yeah, he doesn't want to do anything that's going to undermine that confirmation process. as you correctly point out, there are midterm elections, critically important midterm leck elections, coming up in november. i've heard from some people close with jeff sessions. he really feels he's got a job to do for the american people as being the attorney general. he's afraid if he were to
resign, for example, the next person who comes in might not necessarily do the job that he's trying to do. i assume you've heard similar things why he's not submitting his resignation. >> well, added to that, wolf, i serve as a member of congress. there are some time where i bite my lip on things i disagree with. i think those that serve in government feel that they have a skill set and experience that they're best suited to do that job. otherwise, why would they be doing it? i think in the case of the attorney general, who is a very conservative u.s. senate, policy-wise, outside of this issue, he's probably been as conservative and as principled and as aligned with the president on policy, immigration, drug enforcement, right on down the line, as any attorney general you could expect out of a conservative
presidency. so this really relates to one thing and one thing only, and that is, i think, he wants -- we can go back to what president trump said about eric holder. he had a lot of things that were negative towards president obama, but the one thing he said was he protected the president. he wants an attorney general that's going to protect him from he views as an illegitimate investigation. i don't think it's illegitimate. most people don't. i think michael cohen pleading to what he did, paul manafort pleading to what he did, and some of the other indictments that mueller has secured with russian interference demonstrate that it is a legitimate investigation. >> michael cohen pleaded guilty to eight counts. paul manafort was convicted on eight counts. but let me get your reaction to the other breaking news, congressman, that the head of american media, the parent company of "the national enquirer," david pecker, a long-time friend and associate of donald trump's has been granted immunity in exchange for
his cooperation, his testimony, setting up the hush money payment to karen mcdougal, the former playmate, for $150,000, working together with michael cohen, the president's former lawyer. what's your reaction when you hear that he was granted immunity? and how much damage could he do to the president. >> well, my hunch is he will confirm what michael cohen said, that there was some sort of coordination on paying these women in order to keep them quiet. i think a lot of the american public thinks that way. the central question is, is it a campaign violation or is it a fall crime? then we ask ourselves the political question. is paying off two women heading into an election in order to keep them quiet, to help you win an election, is that impeachable? we know that's a political question. the irony here is for as much as
republicans don't want to answer that question right now, democrats don't want to answer that question. there are hints here of 1998 and president clinton all over the place. i think as this unfolds, we may find more similarities between the two. that's where we're headed in terms of what the american people are going to get exposed to and what members of congress are going to have to ask moving forward. >> congressman ryan costello of pennsylvania, thanks so much for joining us. >> good to be with you. >> coming up, we'll get more reaction. democratic senator jeff merkley will join us. we'll follow up on the attorney general's biting response to the president after the president publicly disparaged him. we'll be right back. from the first loving touch everything that touches your baby should be this comforting
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fact that david pecker of american media, a long-time friend of donald trump's, has been cooperating, testifying with the federal prosecutors in exchange for immunity. >> well, wolf, i'll fell you that inquiring minds want to know exactly what information he has on the president. but it must be a significant amount of substantive information to be granted immunity in this fashion. >> you make a good point. they wouldn't be granting an individual immunity unless they really believed that individual had relevant information, potentially, about crimes. >> and michael cohen has put forward his story. he's now pleaded guilty to eight felony charges. the white house is disputing his story. i think this fits into the picture of the prosecution in that case, saying let's make sure we bring in the perspectives that all bear on the legitimacy of michael
cohen's testimony. >> if there was corroboration from david pecker, from the various documents, the electronic information, all of that stuff that was collected in that early morning raid on michael cohen's apartment, his home, his hotel room, his safe deposit box, if there's backup information saying that the president directly coordinated and directed the payment to karen mcdougal, $150,000, the former playmate, in advance of the election to make sure that information would not come out in the days leading up to the election, what does that mean to you? >> well, in summary, michael cohen is saying the president directed me to commit a crime. the question is, is michael cohen's statement enough on its own? certainly i think given his history, any jury, any judge would look at that and say there has to be a stronger case than
just michael cohen says so. i think that's probably exactly what they're locking down. but then the question is, so, if the president is essentially an unindicted co-conspirator in this illegal campaign act, this felony, then at what point should we stop proceedings on kavanaugh? because quite frankly, there's also great reasons to not consider him because we don't have the documentation on the positions he's taken in the past. the republicans are vetting that information, only feeding a small amount to the democrats. that's not the transparency you need to exercise advice and consent. now there's a second massive conflict of interest of a president essentially trying to print himself a get out of jail free card. >> but you would need a republican or two in order to get a simple majority to hold back on that consideration of brett kavanaugh to be a united states supreme court justice, isn't that right? you can't just do it with democrats. you're in the minority.
>> no, that's absolutely right. i go back to the health care debate where so many people thought that because the republicans in the majority, because they had campaigned against the affordable care act, they would wipe out health care for 22 million to 32 million americans. we kept hoping that at least one republican senator or at least two would step forward and say, we really do care about the health care of americans. we're not going to do this. that happened. in this case, we want one or two senators to step forward and say, we really do care about a legitimate confirmation process for something as important as the supreme court. >> you might need more than one or two because there could be two or three or maybe four democratic senators who will go along with the republicans at this critically important time just before the midterm elections. let me move on to another issue while i have you. the attorney general of the united states, jeff sessions, now publicly pushing back against the latest very brutal criticism from the president of the united states. what do you think? what's your reaction? >> well, there's many things
that jeff sessions has done that i completely disagree with. i disagree with his horrific child snatching policy. i disagree with his pushing for the muslim ban based on one's religion. i disagree on his cannabis policy. but in this case, he is right to push back against a president who is saying he wants a personal lawyer in the position of attorney general. that is not what the position of the attorney general is. there is a higher obligation to the law. for jeff sessions to say i will not be improperly influenced obviously is a direct response to what the president has been saying publicly. >> yeah, this feud escalating right now very, very dramatically. senator merkley, thanks for joining us. >> thank you, and i'm on my way to sit in on that meeting between sessions and the president. it will be interesting. >> let us know what happens. appreciate it. thank you very much. coming up, we're going to continue following the breaking news.
the attorney general jeff sessions now arriving at the white house amid this very public feud with the president of the united states.
sessions doesn't have the confidence of the president. >> that was republican senator lindsey graham saying he expects president trump to fire jeff sessions but after the midterm elections, warning him to wait until after those elections. let's discuss this extraordinary development. richard, i'm curious, you were a former watergate special prosecutor, a federal prosecutor. what do you make of this battle that is now under way? the president humiliating the attorney general very directly in this fox news interview and now the drirect statement from sessions saying i've got a job to do. >> this is very, very bizarre among a plethora of bizarre things that occurred. the president is acting like a new jersey crime boss. he has talked about cooperating defendants, whiin drug cases, organized crime, pornography,
child abuse. unless you are in a position to put pressure on an individual who then gives up other criminal activities and other criminal actors, you can't operate as a federal prosecutor. many of the members of congress, former prosecutors, they have to know that what the president is saying is totally out of bounds. to be attacking the idea of a guilty individual giving up others and hoping to reduce his sentence, that doesn't mean they're giving false testimony. prosecutors are very careful to make sure that doesn't happen. so saying -- calling cooperating witnesses like john dean, who was the most corroborated witness in my 50 years of practicing law, a rat because he told the truth and the jury
believed him and he was corroborated by the watergate tapes in everything that he said, that's bizarre. somewhere along the line, particularly talking about giving a pardon to manafort, members of congress have got to scratch their heads and say, how do i go back home to my constituents? do they earn $60 million and then refuse to pay taxes on it? hide that money, lie to banks, get convicted by a jury in virginia, and then get a pardon. what is the president saying when he considers such a thing, and does that once again bring into sharp focus the fact the president himself has refused to divulge his own tax returns. >> paul manafort, the president's former campaign chairman, convicted on eight counts of stealing from the american people millions of dollars that he owed the american people by refusing to
acknowledge the money he was receiving from the pro-russian ukrainian government in ukraine. at the same time, not acknowledging that he had that money and not declaring he was a foreign agent. that's another trial that's going to be coming up in the next month as well. when people around the world look at what's going on here in washington right now, and you've been doing a lot of analysis on this, what do they see? >> from the russian perspective, talk about america divided. the president and he is team are trading warring at the same times on the law enforcement system. obviously a win for russia. but wolf, i've worked on foreign assistance around the world. a key pillar of our foreign assistance program is promoting the rule of law. in developing countries and with our allies and partners. at this point, how do the state department, usaid, and others say you should have an independent judiciary? there should not be an abuse of power by an executive branch to influence investigations in a country when we're not practicing what we're preaching abroad here at home when the
president tries to abuse his power. and finally, if you're a foreign country, whether an enemy or a friend, logically speaking, would you invest as much effort in negotiating with president trump right now, watching this swirling around, knowing he may not last that long. there's a strong chance there are going to be moves against him. again, logically, i think you're going to step back, wait and see what happens, and probably not engage as substantively. >> laura, when the president goes after those individuals who, quote, flip, he says it should almost be like a crime to flip. explain what that means. these individuals, the president basically saying to these individuals, don't cooperate with the fbi, with law enforcement, and don't become a rat. >> that means that the president of the united states fundamentally misunderstands the role of the executive branch of government, which he is the head of. under it is the department of justice and the fbi. there's a concerted effort to try to get corroboration and people to cooperate with information that you would not otherwise be able to have. as ben was saying, it doesn't
mean you're giving false testimony because you have an advantage about why you cooperated or how you cooperated. we want to incentivize people being forthcoming with the federal government and federal investigators. the executive branch is well aware of that. jeff sessions is well aware of that. the person who's not well aware of it is the president of the united states. and it's for what he specifically is targeting and emasculating him about. it's an area for which he himself may be a subject or a target of an investigation. so it's him saying, i do not care whether you support me in every other area of the law and order i've talked about on the campaign trail and going forward, but if i myself would ever be considered not above the rule of law, then i want something done about it. that fundamentally subverts the entire system. he needs a civics lesson or at least a reminder that this particular attorney general, he may work the at pleasure of the president, but he works for the people of the united states. >> take us inside the white
house, margaret. what are they thinking over there? >> you have seen them sort of dial back the way they're making public statements and public pronouncements as it has become clear with each revelation over the last 48 hours that the fact basis they've been given to go out to the podium and talk about may not be accurate. it is now their own reputations on the line and all of them have some degree of either legal jeopardy or at least being brought into this legal investigation. you're going to see a retrenchment, trying to be careful about what you now say from a podium because it may to the -- not be true. when it comes to general sessions, what you're seeing now is november as a really important piece of timeline. that's now perhaps the boundary of how much time mr. mueller has, perhaps the boundary of how much time mr. sessions has, perhaps the time frame is shorter. so inside the white house now, the public posture is everything
is fine. we're not in a crisis. that was their posture as of yesterday. internally, you're going to see a retrenchment and figuring out of what they want to discuss publicly and how they want to discuss it. >> everybody stick around. there's more news we're following. lots of breaking news today. i'll speak with a conservative writer making waves right now for arguing that michael cohen's hush money revelations make president trump's presidency right now, in his words, illegitimate. i was on the fence about changing from a manual to an electric toothbrush. but my hygienist said going electric could lead to way cleaner teeth. she said, get the one inspired by dentists, with a round brush head. go pro with oral-b. oral-b's gentle rounded brush head removes more plaque along the gum line. for cleaner teeth and healthier gums. and unlike sonicare, oral-b is the first electric toothbrush brand accepted by the ada
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a previously scheduled meeting on prison reform. as we watch that, i want to bring in cnn global affairs analyst max boot. he's joining us right now. max, you've written a very explosive new article in the "washington post" calling the president illegitimate. explain to our viewers. >> well, this is based on what's happened the last few days. not just the conviction of paul m manafort, former campaign manager, and not just the fact michael cohen his longtime personal lawyer also pleaded guilty to eight felony counts but the fact michael cohen said in court that donald trump, his client, directed him to break federal campaign laws when he paid off these two women who allegedly had affairs with donald trump. so for the first time since watergate, wolf, we have a president who is an unindicted co-conspirator charged with violating federal law. that's an unprecedented situation. and what i believe is that donald trump is actually even
more illegitimate than richard -- because nobody imagined that the watergate brea brea break-in won richard nixon the election. was a a landslide. look how close the 2016 election was. donald trump believed it was imperative to pay off these women otherwise he might lose the election. we also know the russians intervened in the election on his behalf and we have reason to believe that michael cohen might provide more testimony evidence an that, and so when you take the russian intervention, the fact that trump violated campaign finance laws to pay off these women, that's how he won the election. so i believe fundamentally, at this point, he is an i illegitimate president. we're in a situation we never faced before. >> you say members of congress are being enablers. explain. >> well, when you have a situation like this, think it's imperative for congress to open an impeachment inquiry. here the president has been implicated in court on violating
federal law. that's something we cannot allow as a nation dedicateded to the rule of law. the president is not carrying out his oath of office. he's trying to obstruct the investigation. and he's been caught out in having apparently violated federal law. so maybe he has a good defense. he certainly has not presented one today. congress should be opening an impeachment inquiry instead of trying to look the other way and pretend this is not happening. republicans are violating their oaths of office. they're not taking seriously the ways in which donald trump is violating his oath of office. >> all right. max boot, helping us appreciate what he sees as the enormity of this crisis right now, max, thank you very much. this just coming into cnn, republican congressman duncan hutter and wife pleading not guilty to charges of stealing campaign funds. lavish meals to vacations to a plane ticket for a pet rabbit. stand by.
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