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>> can i throw one thing? santorum? >> yes, its a win for santorum. i also want to point out gingrich is going negative. he said he wouldnt do it, and i think hell look like the old newt gingrich and when he said romney was lying he sounded like bob dole saying tell them to stop lying about my record. >> sometimes when people say the other guy is lying, theyre telling the truth. what do you think 35/25, a win for santorum? >> if he knocks other people out, a good day for rick santorum. >> weve b...

>> absolutely. >> can he win if -- if gingrich is still floating around and perry is still floating around? >> well, that makes it difficult. as i said, if rick santorum is going to be the guy they are going to rally around, hes got to do well here. just getting into double digits, by the way, is not enough. i think if he finishes behind ron paul, for example, thats a disaster. >> right. >> for santorum. >> right now hes starting at 43 for romney and hes 5. >> yes. >> how high does he have to cl...

>> no. >> you wont give me my bar, but 25/35, thats the bar. whether we return, 35/25 is a win for santorum. head me finish with the conservative church tent is actually opening its tent flaps to roman catholics. youre watching "hardball" only on msnbc. ♪ with a free-credit-score-dot-com ♪ ♪ app that he had ♪ downloaded it in the himalayas ♪ ♪ while meditating like a true playa ♪ ♪ now when hes surfing down in chilea ♪ ♪ he can see when his score is in danger ♪ ♪ if you...

>> james first. >> reject the premise of the 43%. thats not the standard. the standard is going to be how close is someone going to be, who is in second and who is in third and who is in fourth. >> let me go back to my question. if its a final vote next tuesday where the home team, romney is 35 and strum is 25, is that a win, jennifer, for santorum? >> yes, its a win for santorum. i also want to point out gingrich is going negative. he said he wouldnt do it, and i think hell look like the old ne...

The premise -- >> can i throw one thing? >> james first. >> reject the premise of the 43%. thats not the standard. the standard is going to be how close is someone going to be, who is in second and who is in third and who is in fourth. >> let me go back to my question. if its a final vote next tuesday where the home team, romney is 35 and strum is 25, is that a win, jennifer, for strum? >> yes, its a win for santorum. i also want to point out gingrich is going negative. he said he wouldnt do it,...

Santorum has to do well enough up here in new hampshire this tuesday to be strong enough in south carolina to win. >> absolutely. >> can he win if -- if gingrich is still floating around and perry is still floating around? >> well, that makes it difficult. as i said, if rick santorum is going to be the guy they are going to real around, hes got to do well here. just getting into double digits, by the way, is not enough. i think if he finishes behind ron paul, for example, thats a disaster. >> ri...

Point. i think i think histologic makes sense. santorum has to do well enough up here in new hampshire this tuesday to be strong enough in south carolina to win. >> absolutely. >> can he win if -- if gingrich is still floating around and perry is still floating around? >> well, that makes it difficult. as i said, if rick santorum is going to be the guy they are going to real around, hes got to do well here. just getting into double digits, by the way, is not enough. i think if he finishes behind...

>> can he win if -- if gingrich is still floating around and perry is still floating around? >> well, that makes it difficult. as i said, if rick santorum is going to be the guy they are going to rally around, hes got to do well here. just getting into double digits, by the way, is not enough. i think if he finishes behind ron paul, for example, thats a disaster. >> right. >> for santorum. >> right now hes starting at 43 for romney and hes 5. >> yes. >> how high does he have to climb between 5 a...