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and both leaders are expected to give statements to the press before macron welcomes the president. and the first lady to the famous musee d'orsay for a statement dinner. the close ties between the u.s. and france will be on full display today as biden continues to push his message of saving democracy and freedom following his d-day anniversary speech friday cnn senior white house correspondent kayla tausche is live and paris this morning. hello, kayla. we are expecting to see the president at the moment for this welcome ceremony. a walk us through what we will see today well, hello, or should we say bones zhou are from paris, amara today after a point in few days in normandy, the red carpet is now being rolled out in paris where president biden and president macron will now engage in a series of events to deepen the collapse variation between the two countries on a number of fronts, you will see them momentarily arriving at the arctic triomphe with local school children standing by them, they will travel to the elysee palace where they will have a working lunch. >> the two liters there are expected to discuss two issues. in particular in great detail, the ongoing wars in gaza, where president macron crown has broken with president biden and the ongoing war in ukraine where president macron here in europe has taken something of a leadership position, trying to galvanize the rest of europe to spend more on their collective defenses to produce more, of manufacture, more domestic weapons. in their own countries rather then outsource them and potentially have depleted supplies if there is a potential that war moves past ukraine into europe that is going to be one of the discussions that the two liters have today. and how does support the war in ukraine for the long haul, they're going to be preparing essentially joint positions to go into the g77 but next week and the natives summit that will happen next month. we're also expecting them to discuss climate change, artificial intelligence, and other matters of commercial importance at that state dinner tonight, which has been moved to the elysee palace from the musee d'orsay. we expect to luminaries from the business and diplomatic role to be on hand for president macron to fed president biden and a relationship that has deepened over the course of president biden's terms. the two leaders had a very high-profile falling out early in biden's term when he chose to essentially sign up with australia and the united kingdom to partner on the production of nuclear submarines for the indo-pacific where eight french contractor had previously been partnered to build some of those submarines. they were essentially excluded from that partnership and it took several months to bridge that rift now, after sharing a bond over several common goals, common themes, common ideals, the need to defend europe, the need to secure for europe, and the need to essentially protect the west and western ideology. they have grown much closer, but certainly president macron is keen to hear about president biden's prospects for reelection and whether as president biden has said, america is still back, amara i'll take, it kayla tausche, force there in paris. thank you very much, president biden commemorated the 80th anniversary of d-day with a speech in normandy. biden drew on the heroism of the us army rangers who scaled the cliffs of pointe-du-hoc on d-day in 1944 to urge americans to think for this either of the fight for democracy as a cause greater than themselves. and cautioned against isolationism not just to honor those who showed such a remarkable bravery on that day, june 6, 1944. it's listen to the echoes of their voices to hear them because they are summing us. and are summing us now. they ask us what will we do? they're not asking us to scale these cliffs, but they're asking us to stay true to what america stands for they're not asking us to give or risk our lives. but they are asking us to care for others and our country more than ourselves they're not asking us do their job they're asking us to do our job to protect freedom in our time, to defend democracy, to stand up aggression abroad. and at home be part of something bigger than ourselves. >> joining us now is daniel littmann, white house correspondent for politico. good morning to you, daniel. thanks. good morning for being with us. >> so let's talk about that speech that we heard from biden up on that famed clifftop obviously, there was some echoes of reagan's address at that same location in 1984 we heard biden there make his case for america's leadership in the world, but he also had a political pitch for those of us here at home. what did you make of what he had to say though he did not mention trump specifically? yeah, he was never going to mention donald trump by name. that would be a big headline because that would be a qbi accused of politicizing this historic memorial to these fall heroes and the people who actually were successful in storming the beaches. and so he has to walk a fine line between reminding americans and the world of democracies challenges today it's one of the top issues on the ballot in terms of what people of both sides think without making it too political and he can't make his entire election pitch all about democracy, given that a lot of americans face more common concerns about pain for bills paying for food and gas. and so they're not going about their lives thinking about democracy all day long. >> what do you think the white house is hoping will come up today's state visit with the french president well i think, the white house wants to send a message that the u.s. and france are aligned totally on ukraine. tried to see if they can move the ball forward in getting piece in gaza and israel. and i think they want also remind americans of the problem progress that they've accomplished in terms of pushing back russia from ukraine. they've had they have rare. this is one of their top foreign policy victories. but it's still uncertain and trump has said he is kind of less in zelensky's corner and people on the right are very skeptical of having a very drawn-out war and it's taken a long time to get weapons back to ukraine. and so they've had to they've had some tough spots in terms of zelenskyy is aides were saying, hey, one speech in normandy is not going to to help us out too much. we need weapons, we need training for pilots. >> if you look, just over the past several months, of course, macron and biden have been aligned when it comes to foreign policy, when it comes to the big picture with ukraine and obviously trying to prevent putin from expanding his empire. and of course the war in israel. but macron has taken a different approach and the way he thinks the western world should defend ukraine and also the way that he has condemned israel more publicly. what will you be looking for when it comes to their joint statement? >> well, they usually work these things out, weighing advance and there's not gonna be that much daylight between the two liters on major themes, the u.s. france or are huge allies. but i'm going to what's interesting is that macron's team wanted a press conference joint press conference with biden. they turned that down. there is issues about an logistical issues they've also had disagreements about china, france, macron has been more warm towards president xi and france has wants to maintain their commercial relationship with china more than the u.s. and i expect that to be talked about a little bit in their joint statement and in their private meeting what about their political calculations as both leaders meet today, i mean, they're both suffering low approval ratings, right? >> so if you could just give us context on both their perspectives as they have this meeting well, most people don't vote based on foreign policy or a meeting with a foreign leader, not as many french americans who are looking at this relationship, but i think that macron and many european leaders are afraid about biden's political standing they don't want to deal with donald trump one more this, is someone who has said to vladimir putin, you can do whatever the hell you want. >> if those, if countries are not paying their nato dues and so that is something that is macron can't endorse biden, but he's giving him a bear hug during an election year and this is biden's only state visit abroad during the seizure. and so of course it has good timing. but europe is afraid that it's going to get abandoned by trump, who is going to be more isolationist if he wins reelection, what is significant that you have president biden on this state visit during a very busy election year, daniel let me get to see you as always. thank you. >> will continue to monitor events in paris and take you back there, live in just a moment. we're waiting president biden and first lady dr. jill biden, to depart. there in route to the aac to 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israel's war with hamas today, benny gantz, a key member of the israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu's war cabinet is expected to announce whether he will go through with his vow to leave the israeli government at a popular former defense minister said last month that he and his national unity the party would resign unless netanyahu came up with a plan for gaza's postwar future as well as bringing home the hostages. >> cnn has been wiedemann is an beirut for us and ben today was gantz's deadline for a naval plan do we have any idea if he may have changed his mind about resigning amara before we get to the question of benny gantz's political future, we're receiving reports from gaza that there's a major israeli military operation in the central part of the gaza strip focused on the nuseirat refugee camp and bidded bella were told that the main hospital they're the an aqsa martyrs hospital has already received 16 bodies and there are reports of hundreds of people injured, including many women and children. now, regarding benny gantz, last month, he said on the 8th of june he would withdraw from the war cabinet if prime minister benjamin netanyahu did not come up with some sort of plan for a post-war arrangement in gaza so to speak, today is 8 june and all indications are that he's going ahead with this it's resignation we understand that this evening at 8:00 p.m. local time, he will be holding a press conference and the expectation is that he will announce his withdrawal. now, he his party is not part of the the ruling coalition led by netanyahu. he joined the israeli war cabinet after 7 october, really, is part, a, part of a unity government. however, he has had differences his with prime minister netanyahu for many months. now he has been pressing for some sort of end to the war in gaza. but netanyahu doesn't seem to be in a great hurry to do that. now, we understand, however, that both of them basically agreed that they don't want the creation of a palestinian state something that president biden has pushed for eventually. and neither of them is in favor of the palestinian 40 running gaza after the war. nonetheless guns has had better relations with the biden administration. then the prime minister netanyahu gantz has actually gone to washington in defiance of the wishes of the prime minister but the fact that his party is not part of the ruling coalition means that his departure isn't necessarily going to result in the fall of the netanyahu government. it may however mean that the extremists in his cabinet will have even more influence on the prime minister timur emmer up, victor been wiedemann thank you so much. within our scene and military analysts, kernel cedric latent and cnn political and national security analyst david sanger is also a new york times white house national security correspondent and the author of a new cold war's, china's rise, russia's invasion and america struggled to defend the west, gentlemen, welcome, good to see you, colonel, let me start with you and kind of put together the news that we got from the top with ben wiedemann. and this expected departure of benny gantz does his departure dramatically change the execution of the war by the idf? said that there could be more extremist who have louder voices within this coalition of netanyahu's. what does the war cabinet without gantz look like on the ground? >> well, good morning, victor. i think it looks less moderate and if you can use the term moderate in quotation marks because the way the idf has conducted this effort, it, this war effort in gaza, it's really doesn't look like it's a an operation if they're handling with kid gloves, they're using brute force tactics in many instances and ben described at the top of his port there are still very major operations going on. so in the short term, the departure of the potential departure of defense minister against will not change those operations. and in fact, it could basically exacerbate debate the tensions that are already very high between the civilian population in gaza and the idf. so i think these are the kinds of things that we have to look for. i think that against this departure may result in even less moderate approach. when it comes to the conduct of the war david, betty guys gave netanyahu and ultimatum. he wanted to hear the plan to get the hostages back to israel. and what is the plan for a post-war gaza if he didn't get that, he was out on june 8th. he's not getting that and we'll get to that a little later. but what's the white? get house view of this likely departure well, on one hand, they are completely in gantz's camp. >> here it's the white house that has been pressing for a plan not only a short-term plan on the military sayyed, but an end game plan here for how gaza would be administered, for how long israeli troops would remain, four, how do you define the defeat of hamas? because as we learned after 911, you never completely defeat a terror group. obviously new members joined and so forth. but you want to get to a zero point, which president biden thinks he israelis arad right now, where the terror group cannot launch another major attack which of course is just what the president said the other day. >> so gantz's had much more of a direct channel back-and-forth with the pentagon, with secretary, lloyd austin, the defense secretary certainly with jake sullivan, and national security adviser and his departure is actually going to make it a little bit harder for the administration to talk to the war cabinet there are accustomed to ganz. >> he used to run the military. they consider him to be somebody who thinks and military terms and it's going to leave them more dependent on talking to netanyahu. >> kernel weight and cnn has learned that the cia is circulating a report that concludes a netanyahu is likely to defy the u.s. demand for the plan. the plan that benny gantz once as well about what happens after the war his belief is that he can avoid an exodus of military leaders, of members of the coalition if he speaks in vague terms here about what he wants to do next for in gaza how does that, if at all influence what the us does as it relates to military support, financial support for israel well, this is going to be very interesting question, victor, because it may not be the administration who wants to do this. >> the biden administration, but this could very well play into our hands of those elements in the us who do not want to support israel. there have been calls even from the nwa cp to stop arming israel, to stop weapons supply for israel. and if those kinds of efforts bear fruit, they could very well and create a big rift between israel and the united states. it was really be the first time in a long time that we've actually seen a cutoff of arms from the us to israel. and i think it's a very distinct possibility, if netanyahu gets his way. and in essence kicks the can down the road forever and ever. and it does not come up with a plan and in essence says stalls everything so that he can not only maintain power, but keep the military operation alive for a very long time, a quickly david, how big of a threat politically is betty gods to netanyahu now outside of the war cabinet, if he does, it leaves a few months ago, we would've said a significant one. israelis hold pretty highly for his opposition party but that has decreased some in the past couple of months. it'll be interesting to see if it comes back back now as he's operating from the outside, instead of the inside in some ways, he may be a bigger threat to netanyahu as an outsider. and thus more free to be a critic david sanger, kernel, cedric leighton. thank you thank and we continue to follow developments out of france this morning. >> where president biden and french president emmanuel macron will participate in a welcome ceremony at the orca triomphe as part of president biden state visit. these are live pictures the us 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president joe biden at the arctic triomphe in paris. you can see live pictures here. soon there will be a wreath laying at the tomb of the unknown soldier and then a great possession possession to the elysee palace. we will continue to monitor these live events. >> this is the president now getting out of the limo. you see the embrace between first lady jill biden, and brigitte macron. these two countries obviously have a very long history together. france, the u.s. is oldest ally, these men, a warm relationship is described by the white house, although there have certainly been moments of tension over the last several years, this so this is a moment of grandeur the pomp and celebration of the relationship of the two countries. they will get to that working lunch later today to talk about some serious topics. the president, they're waving to crowds that had gathered to see the two liters the first lady's we will see them. eventually later this morning, deliver or join statements as well. it will not be a press conference, so no questions from reporters and then from there they will participate in a state dinner at elysee palace. >> we're joined now again by cnn military analysts, kernel cedric leighton and cnn political and national security analyst david sanger. new york times, white house and national security correspondent, david, let me start with you. there will be a lot of pretty pictures today some fantastic champagne tonight in the meantime, in-between time, what's the work that is to be done well, i'm the pomp and ceremony sayyed. >> no one does this like the french, the dinners, the whole look in the elite zai palace the parades you'll remember that it's when president trump, when he was still in office went to a military parade in france. that he came back insistent that the united states too big military parades in washington and his military had to talk him down from this. so you'll see a lot of great scenery on the substance, it has been as you suggested earlier, vector a bit of a testy relationship. it's started off badly when the united states went and behind francis back did a deal with australia for new nuclear submarines. and basically cut out in existing french relationship that didn't get it off to the start and they've had different strategies on ukraine consistently with president macron only recently raising less suggestion that the west should be putting troops into ukraine, something the president opposes so you'll see a little bit of jiaqing on that. but i'm sure they'll do their best to make her that doesn't come out. it's one reason there's no joint press conference and speaking of the pomp and circumstance, if you gentlemen will hold on for a bit as we take a listen to these live moments right now in paris and as we bring it back to the conversation with david saying or and curl, cedric late. >> and we also have nic robertson are international diplomatic editor are standing buy on the issue of substance. and i want to get to you, colonel leighton let's talk about ukraine, because obviously ukraine is top of mind for both president's as zelenskyy was there for the d-day commemorations. we saw that he had the meeting with president biden on friday where he thanked him for america's reversal on policy allowing us weapons to be used inside russia for counter attacks but of course, biden also apologizing for the delay in funding colonel, how important is it for president biden and macron to be in lockstep in strategy when it comes to crime because we've seen some differences, right? i mean, macron has been, i guess bolder in his approach to ukraine wanting more direct military involvement by nato allies. what are your thoughts on his approach versus the us one of the great things about this is that as we watched the two presidents lay the wreath to add the tomb of the unknown soldier's in france, in paris let's be honest the way in which they're doing this together is kind of the way the country's really want to act in terms of ukraine now, when it comes to the actual fact of the matter, there on slightly different timetables. >> so it's not anything that can't be bridged but one of the things that the french have announced is that they are going to provide training in mirage 2000 jet fighters for the ukrainian armed forces and that is going to make a really big difference. in the war effort in terms of beefing up ukraine's air force that will be in conjunction with the team training that is already happening. i not only in the united states, but in denmark and there's also supposed to be a trading center in romania that is being set up with french health so these are the kinds of things that will be a part of the effort. now, in terms of artillery and air defenses, the french have provided and in the process of providing even more weaponry in that, in that area to the ukrainians the united states, of course, as also do this in the preponderance of military aid is still coming from the united states, but basically france is leading the european collision to support the ukrainian war effort and i think president mecole seize this as being really a very important bulwark that he's setting up an essence of buffer zone with ukraine at the center of this buffer between an expansionist, russia desire by russia to move forward to consolidate its power and in essence to challenge nato, france recognizes that any challenges to nato are really challenges to its sovereignty and instability to note, maintain its independence as a european power. but it also means that the french are willing to to some extent to shoulder more of a burden, at least in the political sense. now in the 5-methyl, since that's a different, a different issue nic robertson to you now, both of these men are watching the calendar and they know that the us is about five months out from that's not funnel election and the former president donald trump could possibly be in the oval office again, how much does that calendar and the potential for a change in leadership here in the us influence what is happening today, what will be decided and discuss today, and the urgency of any plans as it relates to the two major wars were watching and the rest. let me pause and we'll listen here to this moment i don't april a belt all right. the singing their of the us and french national anthems after the plague of those national anthems before that, ruth was laid at the tomb of the unknown i'm shoulder soldier. this, of course, the welcome ceremony at the oc to triumph. we're watching a flyover as well as this welcome ceremony continues. nick, let me get back to you and the question of how the u.s. election influences what will be discussed in decided today it doesn't really just picking up from the conversation you are having prior to that, the differences between the united states and france today, president biden's position, emmanuel macron's position today is a concern and it's a concern because of the recognition that president putin in russia will just exploit any tiny difference that he spots in the nato alliance in terms of positions, whether it's macrons forward leaning desire to put military trainers on the ground inside ukraine, united states reticence to do that compared to an even more potentially isolationist situation in the united states under donald trump, if he becomes president and carries out some of the things is indicated that he would do yeah. as the clock counts down on that because they're putin would not be looking at exploiting small differences. there would be, in essence, if that was to happen a major rupture in the nato-like alliance and the belief in countries like france and germany and the baltic states and the new members like finland and sweden is that putin would massively try to exploit what he would perceive as a weakened nato because it wouldn't have the united states support that the money going into ukraine and the weapons going into ukraine could be faltering. so the clock ticks. there is nothing i drew. these leaders are perhaps less that president macron can do and maybe more that president biden can do in terms of finding ways to win the narrative and win the election in november. but the calendar is against both man and there are no assurances today that president biden can really give him emmanuel macron or any other european leader that are going to assuage their fears that an isolationist, the united states could be a reality they're dealing with by this time next year, of course, emmanuel macron tried to have a strong and positive i'm robust relationship with then-president trump. but even that, despite his best efforts, faltered along the way. so there's a real realization macron has dealt with a president trump and knows the realities of the difficulty of how that relationship could be. so it's hard to it's hard to know what precisely the nature of the conversation, but undoubtedly it's going to be a topic and undoubtedly macron would look to biden any assurance and reaffirmation. biden's come confidence that he is going to win the election but at the same time, we've also saved macron aggressively push for a self-reliance self-determined europe, and less dependence on washington. >> i want to thank all you, gentlemen. nic robertson, david sanger, and kernel because you're leighton for the conversation as you look at these live pictures of this welcome ceremony underway at the arc to atrium. >> we will take a quick break back after this this election season, stay with cnn with more reporters on the ground. >> and the best political team in the business follow though voters follow the results, follow the facts follow. >> cnn psoriatic arthritis is tough. symptoms can be unpredictable. >> one day, judge, joyce hurt next, it's on your skin is painful i couldn't move like are used to i got because santos feels good to move, because syntax helps real people move and feel better. 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biden, a really impassioned speech against isolationism, but also, he had a message to americans about fighting democracy, continuing to carry that torch of fighting democracy and obviously a veiled reference to donald trump there was that veiled reference running all the way through it. >> and but also a message to the young people, not just the united states, but in all democracies, remembering that president biden came to office talking about a moment and inflection point in history where people can choose between democracies and autocracies and through his presidency with putin's invasion in ukraine, that's become very apparent. and the 80th anniversary was the d-day was perhaps the best way to kendall that idea in a younger population that here before you in these near hundred year-old veterans we're was once upon a time, young men who stood up to the tester them moment in time and president biden saying very clearly that you may need to stand up not necessarily fight for your democracy, but he said freedom doesn't come for free. so there's a price to pay. we heard at the ceremonies on thursday a navy lieutenant commanders saying relieving, if you will, the veterans of their duty saying we've got the watch but with that, watch comes a price and this is really what president biden was talking about but it is in essence his message to his european partners as well that under my watch, as us president, we've got your back, we support you. the alliance's strong, the alliance's important being united as the way to stand up to putin, who president zelenskyy compared to nazi time, adolf hitler. and for that reason, i think there was a broad resonance, but really you could tell certainly there was perhaps more in this for domestic u.s audience so there was for an international audience who'd heard the speeches the prior day, but really the need not just in the united states, but in europe as well to awaken that idea in younger generations here in the uk, for example, elections coming up, the prime minister's talking about ray bring it, bring it back in again, national service, britain's army as a post-world war ii low point more than just around about 60,000 troops, not enough to feel that big fighting force should nato call for it. so leaders are looking around for ways to invigorates younger generations to recognize that there could be a test like this coming and that was, that was that was perhaps a strongest thrust of what president biden was speaking about you're president macron are spending a few minutes now i'm talking with secretary of state antony blinken there in the center of your screen. of course, we learned from the state department that secretary blinken will be heading to the mideast for the eighth visit since the start of the war between israel and hamas two again, try to get those two sides to a ceasefire deal, something that will likely be part of the conversation between presidents. biden and macron. nic robertson. 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and macron's surveyed the troops. and laid a wreath under the arc at the tomb of the unknown soldier. at both leaders are expected to attend a working lunch following the ceremony before giving statements to the press in just a few hours from now, then macron will welcome the president and first lady for a state dinner. the close ties between the us and france are on full display de as the president, president biden continues to push his message of saving democracy and freedom after his d-day anniversary speech on friday let's go to paris now, a cnn senior white house correspondent, kayla tausche president's biden macron are expected to hold in talks today of this working lunch. hit the high points. what will they be addressing in the meetings well, they're going to be a few a topics of discussion that will figure prominently. >> first how they can strengthen the nato alliance, how they can continue supporting ukraine, and how they can secure the indo-pacific with president macron not willing to be quite as hawkish towards china as president biden has been thus far, but there will be some cooperation it's a maritime cooperation that the two countries are set to announce. present macron is also expected to share his thoughts on how president biden is handling this situation in gaza where he has broken with the president's position of seeking a negotiated peace process to reach a two-state solution. macron has said that he his ready to recognize a palestinian state. and there has been frustration here in france over that civilian casualties and the humanitarian toll that's been exacted in gaza as israel has prosecuted its war against hamas the administration has said that president biden expects a frank and open discussion, one that's candid and expects it. there may be some areas of disagreement there, but despite those areas of disagreement, both on the handling of the situation in gaza, as well as a high-profile break between the two allies a few years ago, over a submarine partnership that france was excluded from administration. aides say that the allies have never been closer, that their relations kinship has not been weakened in any ways by those fractures. remember, state visits are reserved for only the closest of allies and the white house has taken note that france is the us is oldest ally, and certainly those leaders standing shoulder to shoulder on those issues projecting this image of strength and partnership to the world is one of the main goals of this state visit, this happening today. so that will be really the scope of this state visit. you mentioned the press statements that will be happening later this afternoon. there has been some frustration that when president macron visited the us for a state visit at the white house, there was a press conference that was conducted tween the two democracies with two questions from members of each country's press corps. that is not happening this week. there will be a press conference at the g7, but there will not be one. this at this visit, which has been a source of frustration for some here and the preska that we will not have have an opportunity to ask questions of the leaders here, all that to say there will be pumped, there will be circumstances. there will be pumped. there will be just a lot of majesty and magnanimous things that you will see today if that arrival ceremony is any indication patient of what remains in the day to come, viktor and emmer? >> yeah. it continues to be one spectacular welcoming ceremony. kayla tausche. good to have you. thank you very much. let's talk with the cnn military analysts or tenants general mark hertling and see in an international diplomatic editor, nic robertson. and max boot, who was a senior fellow at the council on foreign relations and columnist for the washington post. max is the author of the new book reagan, his life and legend welcome to you all. max, let's start with you. and as a both leaders head eventually to this working lunch, talk to me about how you would characterize biden add macron's relationship? basically, there are political calculations at play as well. and then the bakr i should say, front of macron's mind he has to be thinking about the potential return of trump to the white house. >> i would say that presidents biden in macron have a very good relationship and as you say, i think a qur'an is very happy to have joe biden in the white house rather than having to deal with placating donald trump, but i think the the anecdote that joe biden often tells us how that when he first came back into office and met with macron and he said, you know, america is back in macron and others said, but for how long and i think that's the shadow of trump hangs over all this. and of course, but even though biden and trump in macron do have a good the relationship they do have a lot of things that its costs including macron proposal to send french trainers into ukraine or is suggesting that they could be sent into ukraine, which is something that biden has expressed doubts about are or suggest that it's not a good idea. so i think there are things for them to hash over, but mainly i think this is just a wonderful moment of transatlantic unity to highlight how close the alliance is under biden angel greatly endangered or would be if trump were to come back into office? >> general hurtling as kayla mentioned, gaza and israel's war with hamas will certainly be something discuss today. there was the idf operation that. happened at a refugee camp that freed for israeli hostages some of the concerns here around the icc seeking an arrest warrant for netanyahu, while paris backs that washington called it outrageous the backing and supplying of weapons how significant are these differences on gaza, on support for israel between these two? >> well i'll try them with what max you said victor and that is they are certainly there are certainly a close relationship between president biden and president in a car but they do have some differences president macron has been very vocal in making pronouncements about different things. he is supported different things. then president biden has so well, their relationship is very close and they see democracy and the emotions of what is occurred over this last week as being similar, they do have some differences of opinion and i heard you earlier talking about the lunches and dinners. it will occur today, certainly, presidents and dignitaries du. a lot of eating and drinking further country but this is a time for them to hash out some of those disagreements, some of those differences of opinions, i think president biden has got to stay very succinctly what he believes should be happening in gaza and in ukraine, and how the nato-led clients should move forward. so that's what these dinners and lunches are all about outside the view of the kind of pomp and circumstances we saw this morning at the art to draw jennifer, i just want to follow up on that regarding these differences in and specifically on ukraine, we heard on friday, president biden apologize to velocity more zelenskyy about the delayed aid president biden obviously blamed for that but after mr. zelenskyy thanked the president for that decision to allow us arms to be used in a limited way to counter attacks inside russia. >> he added quote, there are some detail hells on the battlefield that you need to hear from us. >> i heard a bit of frustration there and zelensky's tone then, what do you think he's referring to? >> obviously he's referring to these restraints? >> well, what the presence, the once-key was likely talking about was the ukrainian targeting processes. amara president biden has specifically said that these long-range weapons should be used for an operational and tactical role. >> what does that mean? an operational or tactical deep strike using things like atacms and artillery pieces and potentially even jet fighters has to do with what can affect the front lines, what kinds of things are ready by russia to literally attack into the ukrainian defensive positions now, there's a difference of opinion in terms of military leaders saying what you have to do is not only du, deep strikes against those tactical targets, but what russia continues to do is push their forces further and further back from the front lines so that they are not under ukrainian attack capabilities. >> so that's what i think president zelenskyy is going hi to talk about how far inland can we hit? can we hit air bases that are launching some of the glide bombs? can we launch or can we attack missile launch sites so that some of our cities don't continue to come on your cat. the problem with all that is many of those russian launch sites and air bases are deep within russian territory and cause concerns from russia about attacks within their federation that could interfere with say, their nuclear defense strip, that they have put that forward saying, hey, our radars for nuclear and strategic defenses have been interfered with by ukraine. so we're saying that that is truly an attack on mother russia and this is what president biden wants to avoid primarily for the purpose of this war, not expanding into a greater european war with other nations involved you're watching the precession parade possession here along the song sally's a president's biden and macron are writing there together as indicated by the flags on the front of that vehicle we have max boot and lieutenant general hurtling with us mess. >> let me come to you and general hurtling says that this is the time to hash those things out. some of those differences. do you expect that there will be decisions that there will be resolutions to any of these differences today. or will they just be further discussions i'm suspecting there will be further discussions, but i mean, i think these as mark hertling said, i mean, i think these kinds of discussions are very important because normally these discussions are conducted at the staff level or with foreign ministers. >> it's either good is very important to have the heads of state directly involved. and this is going to these kinds of occasions or the time when the heads of state have the most amount of time to spend with one another as mark hertling mentioned, there's gonna be a lot of lunches, a lot of dinners, a lot of ceremonial occasions. but while all that is going on, they can also have very substantive talks. and of course some of the stuff they're going to talk about is going to be the kind of stuff anybody talks about at lunch or dinner. it's going to be there's gonna be some polite chit chat, but i think they were also get to some of the nitty-gritty and try to hash these things out. but i think i think the big thing that a macron and other europeans are going to be looking for is something that biden really can't offer which is reassuring they want reassurance that the united states will stay committed in europe, that we will remain committed to the defense of europe. we will remain staunch and standing up for ukraine and opposing russian aggression. and of course, the best that biden can say is that's what i want to do, but i don't we have free and fair elections that america and if if i joe biden lose in november everybody knows that they could have we could have a very different policy come january 20 of next year. and so i think there is just there's gonna be a lot of hand-holding as well as a lot of hand-wringing about the outcome with the political process in the united states. >> and because president biden will not be able to give that reassurance that he will remain in office for another term. dig robertson to you standing by you to do expect president macron to be even more vocal, i guess more aggressive as the election, american election approaches as he has been pushing for the continent's self-reliance to take its own security collective defense more seriously absolutely. i think this is exactly the direction that europe is headed in now, because it recognizes that if not now, in the future, it may face those decisions are not every country has ready for it far from it. in fact, you have some real outliers in the european union right now, like viktor orban, the prime minister in hungry or robert fit. so the prime minister in slovakia who are both pro-putin, who are both against europe supporting or the european union financially militarily supporting ukraine this is sort of the headwinds in europe, at least that president macron faces course what he has been talking about in france has talked about for some time is a more united defense policy in europe where you become in the same way it's more similar to united states in terms of manufacturing armaments you only have a few fighter jets. you have the f 60 and you have the 15, you have the f35 in europe, there are many, many different arms manufacturers and they produce for their nations are a handful of nations within the european in union, a commonality of armament making, which is really the pressure that faces nato, right now. in terms of getting armaments in big enough quantities quickly to ukraine, that you can do this better by rationalizing a pan, europe p and defense industry. and of course, each country wants to have a big slice of that. but this is the direction that macron has encouraged european leaders to look at in the past. and one that would potentially where at the european union, which doesn't have a common defense minister, let said as ahead of foreign policy, your sip borrell at the moment, but it doesn't have a head of defense in the same way that that is something that nato does. but if united states didn't support nato in the way that it does today, then that would fall to the european union. so macron really has been a sort of a liter and a pusher for that within the within europe. and it's even his strongest partner, perhaps in the european union in this regard, would be germany, that their position is not the same as macrons. so it is an up hill struggle but it is something that absolutely they face and we heard this when president trump first came into office, if you go back those years, there was an emergency summit, european union leaders in mulcher, i believe it was and it was back then francois, along the french president and the german, the german chancellor, that then mac merkle, angular merkel, who were both saying, we need to sort ourselves out and be ready to be able to deal with an isolation is united states. so the conversations are well underway. >> all right. will lead the conversation. there are thanks to mark hertling max boot and nic robertson make sure to stay with us. we'll have more after this break simons are going off and playing the tornado here i'm thinking, i'm going to die and i thought that was it filing earth with liev schreiber tomorrow at nine on cnn homa glowed, just cleaned my 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were taken from the nova music festival on october 7. now, among the freed hostages is noah, are khamanei in one of the first hamas videos released of the massacre, she was seen being abducted on a motorcycle. >> we're joined now by cnn international correspondent paula hancocks and cnn international corresponded ben wiedemann, polo, first to you, what do you know about the operation? >> well, victor, what we're hearing is from the idf, the israeli military also, the security agency saying it was a joint operation that happened in central gaza in the area of nuseirat. it was a significant operation which at this point we understand has left at least 45 killed on the ground. and hundreds injured according to our cnn producer, on the ground. but what it has also meant is that for israeli hostages have been rescued and they have been brought back to israel. now, according to the statement they say that they are in good medical condition. they have been taken to a medical centre near tel aviv to receive a treatments at this point, we have already seen video of one of the hostages you were just mentioned they're no money receiving a phone call from the israeli president, hertz. but there are four that have been released, so no or argon money, who as we remember, we did see her on the back of a motorbike being taken at the nova musical festival on october 7, that also under aid caused law for 27-year-old is a russian israeli citizen who was working security at that musical festival also, shlomi cif 40-year-old, he was also working security and i'll mog mia jan 820, one-year-old. so for hostages, have been released at this point, we understand from the idf that they are all in medical condition. this was saturday morning that this was happening and it was described by the idf for the police and the isa is a common plex special daytime operation in nuseirat. it is the third successful operation that's the israeli military has carried out since october 7 to try and retrieve some of those, those hostages that were taken on october 7 by hamas, by other militant groups we understand there's one in october 1 in february, 3, released jointly during those operations there, but that's the latest that we have at this point from the israeli military, side, right? >> four, i was really hostages, rescued in that operation. paula, thank you. let's go to been we'd have been now and ben, we were so get just a few minutes ago about this being the de that benny gantz, a key member of the prime minister's war cabinet, was expected to announce whether he would go through with his vow to leave the israeli government. that announcement has now been postponed is it directly connected to this operation that free these hostages we think so. >> i mean, a clearly does not want to steal the limelight with this one bit of good news for the israelis. his problems, his issues with prime minister netanyahu have not been resolved oh, they have fundamental differences. they were political rivals in the past. so that doesn't change. but i think for now, he's it's not canceling, probably not canceling his announcement, but he's certainly is going to postpone it while is rarely a digest. this news, i mean, keep been mining, is polo was mentioning back in what was it? october and february between those 23 hostages were released. today for them? that brings to seven 77 hostages released after eight months of intense warfare in the gaza strip keeping in mind, of course that what was much more successful at getting hostages released was that ceasefire in late november of last year where if i recall correctly, at least 40 hostages were released. so certainly what we've seen since that very brief eight days cease fire that the military we operations have continued and have today had some success, but until now it hasn't really resulted in much other than, as i said, just seven hostages released. in the meantime, we've had more than 36,000 palestinians have been killed we picked her. >> amara was showing you a video here of the two of the hostages that are coming off that helicopter and going on onto i believe that's a medical transport vehicle. one hand over his mouth, the other throwing his arms up in the air. we also saw a video so of celebration in the streets at the news of the rescue of four hostages from this refugee camp. as we get more pictures in this moment that so many families, those who are related to these hostages and those who are not have hoped for rallied for protested four to get these people who were now eight months, eight months since the october 7 attack good day almost to the de, have been held as hostages in gaza. >> what a moment to watch as these freed hostages walked off military helicopter are just incredible moments there we're going to leave it there. paula hancocks and ben wade. a man. thank you so much. we're going to take a quick break back after this the most anticipated moment of this election and the stakes 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yes, absolutely. victor, there were the other thing i'd comment on, the hostages were near the nest neutral refugee camp, which is in northwestern, more the center part of god, while the operations in rafah continue you, this, this makes it very clear that operations across the gap gaza strip in these specifically the underground, subterranean facilities the tunnels that hamas has built underneath different infrastructure as what's been critical. so yeah, the intelligence is what drove this. i'm sure this wasn't just stumbling upon four different hostages in two different locations. this has to be an intelligence driven operation, which he israeli military has been trying to do since the start of this campaign and max sent to you and what what does this mean for the hostage and ceasefire negotiations that are on going? >> also, knowing that benny gantz, a cabinet minister we'll now he postponed his announcement of resignation apparently due to the release of the rescue of these hostages does this increased pressure on netanyahu to bring more of the hostages home well, obviously it's very good news to get these hostages out. >> i mean, i think netanyahu has actually been fairly receptive to the latest ceasefire plan, which is being pushed by the biden administration in a coalition of other nations. i think the holdup right now is hamas. they're not agreeing to that plan because basically the hamas leadership thinks that seems to think that it doesn't matter how many palestinians are killed or how much that people of gaza suffer because there's longer as the hamas leadership in some of the fighters are secured here are these underground tunnels they can still hold out and essentially come out after the israeli military retreats. and i think they i wouldn't be unfortunately, i wouldn't be not optimistic about an immediate ceasefire coming because these negotiations have been going on for many months you'd have not gone anywhere and i think for israel, they still face some very difficult issues. namely what happens in the months ahead they don't want to occupy the gaza strip, but then the question is who is going to bring security to that area what is the day after look like? and that's something where netanyahu has still refused to provide any kind of vision because it would be two political difficult, politically difficult for him because his coalition partners don't want any role for the palestinian authority and at the same time, there's very little support for actually having the idf occupy the gaza strip and so this doesn't really solve israel's intractable problems. unfortunately, i'm sorry to say it doesn't mean that the offensive was going to wind down anytime soon general didn't answer the questions. >> it doesn't resolve any of those issues, but i wonder as we look at this video of hostages who are free and the celebration in the streets politically how much time does this by netanyahu relief from pressure both domestically with the pending against resignation and the pressure from the us and other allies around the world well, i don't think it's going to gain a whole lot of time internationally. >> victor, it certainly will gain some time domestically from mr. netanyahu because he has a lot of supporters in the israeli government. i'd like to point out though one thing that our great report are, then we amend mentioned he said the last big tranche of hostages occurred after the cetacean abbas still cities several months ago, and there hasn't been that kind of released since then. yeah, i'd like to point out though that israel has made the opera to hamas on multiple occasions to have ceasefire in exchange for hostage yes. and hamas continues to play with them on this. they will bring them right up to the doorstep of a ceasefire with the potential for release of hostages from both the palestinian camps and israel, but also the ones that they took on october the seventh. and then at the very end, just when there's hope, hamas dashes those hope i think that's what max was describing so it means it's going to mean a continuation of the operation. and there is certainly a disconnect between the biden administration and the netanyahu government in terms of what they should do, in terms of a ceasefire. and the three-phase plan that president biden pointed out that he was offering allegedly with mr. netanyahu is approval a few days ago. but i think as long as the hostages are still in captivity and hamas shows no interest in releasing them. remember these four that were kept, were recovered this morning alive. we're not given up by hamas. they were driven by intelligence operations by the israeli military. so i think you're going to see a continuation of that kind of intelligence. and plus, i'd add that these hostages will also be able to add to that intelligence in terms of their type of treatment where they'd been moved from the number of moves they've made what locations are they putting their fellow hostages in? they may be able to add a lot of information and intelligence for the israeli military to go after some morehouse. >> it really is remarkable that they were able to rescue these hostages eight months after the war started on tovar seven max. if and when benny gantz announces his withdrawal from the emergency war cabinet he is a centrist. what kind of impact do you see that happening on netanyahu's government? do you expect? to see more of a hard line approach that's very hard to say. >> i'm not sure that that much is going to change. i mean, benny gantz can lead, but it's not going to bring down the government the issue that could actually bring down the government is question of conscripting ultra ultra-orthodox men into the israeli military because some of the ultra religious parties in the the cabinet are completely opposed to that. and if the israeli supreme court gives the go ahead to conscript the ultra-orthodox, that could actually be a crisis that could bring down the government. i don't think that the benny gantz departure will bring down the cabinet. i mean, i think my it's a little bit hard to know exactly what goes on behind the doors of the war cabinet. my sense is that benny gantz is certainly more open than netanyahu has to the idea of having the palestinian authority play a role in governing gaza after the war. but i think honor has also been pretty much of a hardliner on rooting out hamas fighters, even at the cost of substantial numbers of palestinian civilians, deaths i'm not sure he's diametrically opposed to netanyahu on, on a lot of issues. i mean, i think he certainly has a perception as being more of a moderate but he he's not, he's certainly not a dove i believe the conversation there max boot and general mark hertling. thank you very much. liberate back hey, mom, how many should i decorate each have ran have blue. that's a really tough call. who are you if you look at the latest data? >> you're probably going to need 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for weeks. there underwent intensive training. >> they reached their lives to save the lives of all hostages i just incredible to hear the details there. >> nic robertson is back with as you've been covering, spent a lot of time covering these attacks on the war between israel and hamas. and just hearing those details about this, you know, the hostages were rescued from two separate locations in daylight while they were under fire. what do you make of all this? >> this is such a success story for the idf and for the families right now, this is the moment they've been waiting for i was at the hospital just outside tel aviv earlier on this year. i think it was january, perhaps february when 23 hostages were were freed. that was a nighttime raid it meant laying down a lot of fire, a lot of palestinians in the neighborhood were killed just to get these hostages freed. but for those families and you could feel the euphoria at the hospital back then. so outside tel aviv. so i can only imagine and we're witnessing house some, and, some of their celebrations. but i can only imagine how it must feel for the doctors there who are real professionals in helping these hostages come out of this horrible environment that they've been in. i mean, i'm looking you look at no ag money now she was handed a telephone. the president of israel was congratulating or on the phone. but just look how pale shares go back and look at the video of when she was captured she was tanned she was clearly terrified in that video. so it's quite amazing to see her now having enjoyed more than 250 days of captivity surviving it. but you can just see the way, the way that she looks now, these hostages, it appears have just been kept either underground or completely out of sunlight for so long now, it's a big process as we know, we're talking to doctors back then earlier on in the year about the process of recovery for the hostages and it's going to take a lot of time. there's your emotion. noah got to meet with her father again. >> there were kisses. >> these these are huge moments, but it's an an intense trauma that they've been through and it's going to take a long, long time if ever to begin to unwind that. but but the medical staff at the hospital that absolutely professionals in that know their job. but this is a moment of pure celebration. i think obviously for these families, but more broadly, and israel and a desperate sense for those other hostage families now, who, who, who desperately hope it's their loved ones next, you live pictures here of the celebrations as those for israeli hostages, as we said, located from rescued from two separate locations. all four taking from the nova music festival on october 7, they are now a free medical checks under happening right now. we'll continue to get you more on this breaking news. nic robertson. thank you for that. quick rate we'll be back hi sometimes the best thing you can do with intelligence is shared with your adversary he 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news given how momentous it is for that situation and the fact that the war between israel and hamas and the current situation for civilians and humanitarian aid in gaza was one of the areas where the administration expected president macron to be very frank and very candid with his assessment of how the white house has been handling that situation. >> so certainly for the us, this is seen as a welcome development. it's something they have been pushing for for some time and certainly that is welcome news that president biden can bring to the table as part of that discussion. other topics that the two liters are expected to discuss are the strengthening of the nato alliance going forward and going into this summit celebrating the 75th anniversary of the alliance next month that need to continue supporting ukraine for the long-term. and what sorts of resources and assets can be deployed to ukraine at this stage of the war after president biden has just received a detailed assessment from 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