did not discuss sources, methods or military operations. the president only discussed the common threats that both countries face. but anderson, nowhere in these statements that were released by tillerson, powell or the national security advisor. is there any kind of denial that the president released classified information to the russians, and of course that's a deeply sensitive topic because president trump went after hillary clinton for having emails on her private server. h.r. mcmaster will be briefing reporters tomorrow on the president's upcoming foreign trip. obviously if mcmaster does not show up at that briefing, that's a telling sign that we should
circle the wagons on this. >> it's not clear that any of those statements almost sound word for word the same, the fact that they don't specifically say hi didn't reveal classified information, that's not just an oversight that the white house put out a statement that didn't directly address that. >> this is the sort of denial speak that you get from administrations when there are very serious questions being raised and obviously up on capitol hill, they're raising some very serious questions tonight and republicans are tearing their hair out wishing they could just get through a day in this town without the white house doing serious damage to itself. >> how does this tie into the reporting that you've done on the airline lap top story. >> reporter: when we were reporting that story, we worked with intelligence agencies for a couple of days, specifically to remove any references that the
president is allegedly discussed with these top two russian officials there in the oval office. they specifically did not want to mention the city, and they said specifically, if you mention these types of things, the terrorist groups will be able to figure out that we have certainly collection methods and our allies have certain collection methods and this could lead to lives put in danger, not only sources and methods being put in danger, people inside isis, might be put at risk as a result of this reporting. we went through the classified information, we wanted to make sure that the public understood the grave danger that this lap top bomb, this intelligence showed, but we didn't want to put anybody's lives in danger. so we worked with the intelligence agency to remove this from the story.
>> when mcmaster spoke, he said he didn't talk about methods and sources, what you're saying is if there had been any level of detail of these conversations with the russians, that could have allowed eed a very sarryes figure out. whether the president said this is how this was collected, by just telling the details, it's possible the information -- the russians in this case could figure out what the sources and methods were? >> they could reverse engineer the information to figure out how it was collected, to figure out how the u.s. obtained it. here's the other -- the president still regards russia as not the adversary here, he really believe in the fight
>> the reaction is of deep, deep concern on a number of levels. one because it's classified information, that's obvious. and two, the russians were the ones to receive this information, it's prime adversary in the intelligence community today. and it seems to show a -- there are countries that you share intel with as a matter of alliances, the uk, france, et cetera, that's natural. there are others that you don't want public, because of the nature of those relationships, those three things make this particularly serious. former senior u.s. intelligence official described it to me this way, i have never before soon a senior government official so carelessly share information that endangers a sensitive relationship. unprecedented. >> believes that the president
cannot be quiet about that information in front of the russians-- >> that's not the first time we have heard concerns from our allies, what they share with the president and what comes out. this relates to the lap top threat, the idea of getting a bomb hid on in a personal ele electronics on to an airplane. i have talked today about suspe suspending -- this threat is considered right now the greatest, most immediate, clear and present terror danger to the u.s. so beyond the obvious sensitive territory that you're in with the nature of the information and the relationship, the nature of the threat, makes it the most sensitive territory you can get. >> if what "the washington times" and "new york times" reported is true --
>> this is the most serious accusation made against a sitting president. >> ever? >> i cannot think of any other president that has put the national security in danger. remember that russia gives information to iran, that gives it to hezbollah, gives it to syria, we're talking about agencies like jordan, israel, england that may have worked for five years to get somebody into isis at a leadership level, he's going to be killed. if it's electronic, they're going to disclose this information. this is so serious. now we have to unite. we have to put aside all the stuff about comey, about whether the campaign coordinated. we have to put all this aside because the -- we have to find out if it's true. the first step is damage control, the second step is doing something to protect us. do we have to ban the lap tops
tomorrow or this week? we have to focus on this, do not politicize this issue, that's the greatest risk we have faced so far. >> the white house saying that the president didn't share sources or methods with the russians, he shared specifics about looming threats to both countries. but to evan's point, can you kind of reverse engineer if you get some information and figure out what the sources and methods are and endanger whoever gathered that? >> if anyone can reverse engineer something, it's serge the russians, but my greater concern here is this is going to have a widespread chilling effects on all of the intelligence relationships that we have with all of our allies, the ripple effects is going to be regard -- having these relationships for a number of years overseas, our allies pass
this information with the expectation that we are going to keep it to ourselves and not share it with anyone else, certainly not with the russians without talking to them first, and if we do that, and if it's true that the president spread this without the liaison service that gave it to him, they're going to become more conservative, they're going to stop giving information, and so that puts us most at risk. >> that risk was created by "the washington post", that second risk. "the washington post" published this material, i don't blame them, somebody leaked it. we now learn from something the editor of the "washington post" reporter told us, that the leak had to have come from within the united states, how do we know this? is that the leaker, quote, did not want to come pound the problem. russia would want to compound the problem. so we now know that the leaking of the information that creates
the compounding problem of the intelligence services, it would be bad enough if this happened, but nobody knew about it. now we have two problems, one sources and methods could now where found by russia. >> you can make the argument that the united states would have to informal lied intelligence services that this information had been disclosed. >> that would be part of the damage control, we're not talking about messaged damage control, we're talking about risk damage control, which is obviously far more important. >> the information the president reportedly revealed, we're not talking about confidential, not top secret, this is code word information. what kind of dots can you connect with that? >> code word means that the programs are so significant, the sources and methods are so
critically important that any leaks or information about that might give away damage that the program exists. i have been read in on code word programs before both in combat and peacetime. you're not read in, you're also read off when you leave the program, which means you say i will never disclose that i know anything about this program or that i will give any information about it or even give what the code word is that describes the program. and it is so dangerous, any kind of investigation that comes out on a code word program, would n endanger the fight for the -- when you connect the dots, any significant item might be able to lead you to the source and the methods. even though the sources and methods as general mcmaster said but not given. if anything was given up, it might lead the russian
intelligence service to find out more things and connect dots. it could destroy the program, ruin the relationship with the other country, generate a lack of trust with all other nations, because whatever country this came from, others are going to see it as well. it's not just going to affect that one-on-one relationship, it's going to affect everybody that shares intelligence with our intelligence community, because they're afraid to give it to them because they don't want it given to the president who might give it to the president. >> you worked with the cia and the fbi. what do you make that this was a statement made by the president of the united states to russian officials, who one of them is at the center of the ongoing investigations and who were allowed into the oval office the day after the fbi director is fired. you would think of all the times somebody would be careful of what they said, and how they said it, it would have been that meeting right there, photos of
which are being provided by the russians because u.s. reporters were not allowed in the room at the time. >> anderson i have a different perspective. there was a mistake, that wasn't what the president said. in 2016, the rush shanks lost 220 people. if the president had not warned them about threats on aircraft and a russian aircraft went down tomorrow, what would we say? two mistakes were made here and they are significant. the first was a minor mistake, it was not a moral sin. you have got to tell your foreign partners if you're the president of the united states, i'm going to reveal your information to the russians, i don't believe the russians are going to leak it to isis, they're killing isis periodically in syria. and the second mistake was by general mcmaster, i respect him, but he's playing us for fools, there are two elements of intelligence, what you know and how we know it.
what you know about threats to aircraft and who told you. what he told us today is that the president did not reveal sources and methods. he said nothing about what the president said in terms of the fall threat. don't play us for fools, if the president revealed the actual threat without revealing the source of the threat, please tell us and don't play us for idiots, general mcmaster really lost some credibility today, he should have been honest with us, he was not. >> what do you expect russia to do with information like this. also the reporting from cnn earlier was that rex tillerson's statement sounded like it was coordinated from the white house, it didn't come from the state department itself, because a lot of state department people had no idea that the statement had even been made. >> on the second part, i had talked to some colleagues in the state department. it seemed like the statement was moving so fast and the white house wanted to present one
coordinated set of cabinet officials all at once. that's unusual, i honestly have never seen that happen before, but it does -- i do see the logic there, they were moving fast. on your first question, anderson, it really depends on what kind of information it was. i will say this, the russians are not only not our friends, particularly in syria, they are acting in and an nom anymore kl way in syria. open opposing what we have tried to get done in syria. they have done little to nothing in syria. so if it was isis related, i fail to see the great benefit here. i'm kind of like phil, i don't see the benefit here about them sharing information about the fight against isis in syria. if however, they were in peril, being in an attack, okay, you might want to share some, but you do it in a more deliberate,
scheduled, measured fashion, you discuss this with the intelligence community before you meet with the russians and you lay out the degree to which you'll share and how much. it doesn't seem like this was done in any kind of a coordinated fashion. you're talking about a president who doesn't get the intel briefing every single day. when you get it every day and you really absorb it, and you take some time with it, then you know the nuance, then you know the complexity, then you're more careful when you get in a meeting. this is a man that doesn't get it every day, and because he doesn't, he's lacking that nuance, that fidelity about information that's really not fit to put out. >> some very strong views about dysfunction at the white house, we'll speak with a democrat on the house intelligence committee investigating improper ties to russia. this will no doubt come up in tonight's town hall with house minority leader nancy pelosi.
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information. crooked hillary clinton and her team were extremely careless in their handling of very sensitive highly classified information, not fit. that's no ee that's not all he said. >> what we should do is enforce all laws dealing with the handling of classified information. hillary is the one who endangered national security by sending classified information. classified information in the reach of our enemies. what happens when i'm dealing with the problems in the middle east. are you folks going to be reporting all of that very, very confidential information, very important? we got to stop it. that's why it's a criminal penalty. >> she sent vast amounts of classified information, and this is where they said that she was extremely careless and frankly i say grossly incompetent. she will be such a lousy
president, folks. >> joining me is my panel. matthew, you continue to report the story out for the "new york times," how does your reporting and the reporting of your colleagues jibed with the white house so far? >> the white house carefully worded their denial, and they're saying that the president didn't discuss any sources or methods or military operations that were ongoing or secret. the thing is nobody's saying he did that, what they're saying is that he was sitting with the russian ambassador and the foreign minister and he got excited and told some incredibly granular detail about this intelligence, he talked about the city where the plot emanated from. things that could help anybody figure out how this is being collected and from whom it's being collected. it's a problem because the russian interests are not the same as our interests in syria.
they're there mainly to prop up the government of al assad, and allowing a country that's not a clear ally, is in many ways a -- on top of that, this intelligence came from on ally, a very close mideastern dle easy that if they know their security has been breached, they'll never share information again. >> professor dershowitz, does the intent of the president in sharing this information matter, if he didn't intend to give up classified information, he's inexperienced in these realms. >> if he were a private citizen he would, because it requires -- but as the president he's exempted from any laws, the
separation of powers, prevents the president from doing what he wants with classified information, so he's probably not guilty of any crime, probably has not committed any impeachable defense. but he's put at tremendous risk. it sounds more and more like it might be jordan or israel. i know there were rumors earlier on that israel was having trouble deciding whether it will share information. imagine information getting to iran, or through iran to hezbollah, this is going to create a terrible problem, particularly for the president as he's going to the middle east this week. >> i want to read something that bob corker who chairs the senate foreign relations commission. he said, quote, the white house has got to do something soon to bring itself under control, obviously they're in a downward
spiral right now and they have to come to grips with all that's happening. >> speaker ryan, that's obviously very critical coming from somebody who's on pretty good terms with president trump. and speaker ryan's office put out a statement with a certain amount of dismay and wants more information on it. so i think this is something that everybody recognizes as serious. and when we're watching the news, we have different controversies with donald trump, and people say this is the worst that's ever happened. this is the worst by far. the reason that it's the worst, is because he's put people's liveses in jeopardy. in a very serious in the immediate and in the long-term. not only has he harmed relationships currently, it's going to affect relationships in the future. >> without officials at the state department even knowing
and basically rebutting things that were not really in dispute. >> they're scrambling. and general mcmaster came out and specifically said that the post story as reported, which are two important words was inaccurate. so if there's one tiny little mistake in it. maybe it's inaccurate as reported. but the gist of the story is, it seems to me, nobody has denied. and i think this goes to a larger question, anderson, which is the question of the competency of the president. i think you hear a lot of people whispering about it here in washington and i think now they're starting to talk about it out loud. because if you have a president who doesn't know how to handle or talk about highly classified information to one of our adversaries, there is a problem. and there is a big line in the "washington post" story that really struck me, which said that trump seemed to be boasting about how great his intelligence is. and we all know donald trump by
now, and he likes to kind of brag about things. and you can just see that occurring. i've got great intelligence, lavrov, here's what it's telling me. >> then candidate trump railed against hillary clinton's handling of classified information, how do you square that with this? >> i wish we would all slow down and take a good long look at what is really here, and none of us at this point knows what's really here. hillary clinton had hundreds of thousands of emails that were put on an unclassified server. that's a lot. what we're talking about here is one, quote unquote, mistake. we don't even know that that's the case. >> the allegation is that this is code word level, that's the highest classification as it gets and it was given directly to the russians. >> what really disturbs me here,
let's just say for the sake of the argument that's true, the thing to do, there were only three people from the administration in that room, the secretary of state, the national security advisor and someone from the nfc staff. then we see in this "washington post" story, in the very first line, it talks about current and former administration officials knowing this. how does that happen? >> les ask dr. rosenberg from the "new york times" who's reporting on this. matthew, what do you say? >> in hillary's emails, there was a small, select few that were classified information. that it came from an ally, was exposed to the government, or it went to an adversarial government. number two, there was a note taker in the room. there were notes disseminated throughout the government. these things get around. there's never just three people in the room when you're sitting in a room with the russian
foreign minister and the russian ambassador. but to kind of compare this to hillary clinton's email, which was never publicized, it's like look here, the emails, this comes up time and time again. and the fact that we are talking about president trump, and the issue here, which you're sharing foreign intelligence, incredibly sensitive intelligence, by a foreign ally, who has all right told you if you share this information, they're going to cut you off. >> i'm worried about your show at 9:00 tonight. i'm very worried that nancy pelosi is just the kind of person to politicize this issue. it should not be politicized. we should put aside all the stuff about comey, we should put aside the stuff about whether the campaign had any connections, as americans, republicans and democrats focus on how serious this is in a nonpolitical way, damage control must occur first. we must now react to it on the
assumption that this information has been dissem natured, the worst case scenario is that the information flow may have stopped. we need to stop any kind of lap tops from getting on any kind of airplane. we have to look forward, do not politicize this issue. >> matt, how do you see this? >> the fact that this is russia, he could have done this to another country, he could have revealed this information to another country, it wouldn't have been quite as news worthy. >> and to the guy who has a phone call with -- >> right. and on top of that, i think it does seem very clear that donald trump views russia differently than most of us do. i think he sees them as more of an ally in this war on terror. >> which does not look at the actual evidence on the ground in syria. >> what they're actually doing to fight isis in syria.
it's completely speculative, but the reporting seems to comport with this speculation. it seems like donald trump is the type of guy who likes to brag, and i could see a negotiation, we're talking, and i want you to like me, or i want you to reveal something to me. if i tell you something secret, that's almost like a negotiation ploy, a strategy. i can see it working in business, a little gossip, a little something i know. but guess what, this is highly classified information and i think that donald trump, i think inadvertently. >> he wants you to like him. i want to get reaction from capitol hill. >> reporter: bipartisan concern, a lot of concern from republicans and democrats on exactly what happened. there was a vote on the senate floor and senators were buzzing
about what exactly did president trump share in this meeting. you heard congressman corker talk about how troubling it is to know that your president divulged classified information. if this repo. >> it turns out according to "the washington post" that president trump revealed highly classified information last week. what's your reaction? >> obviously it's disturbing if it's true. i just can't comment on every news story, but obviously it's not a good thing. >> will you be part of the investigation here going forward? >> let's wait and see what this was all about first. >> and anderson, the question is also whether or not the senate intelligence committee will get briefed on this matter or will
look into it further. senate intelligence chairman richard burr said he was not let in on this issue, he said he was just reading about this when he flew into washington earlier today. so a lot of questions from members of both parties, even ones who get that sensitive classified briefing really don't know much about it. >> representative swolwel, what do you make of this potential release of information by the president to the russians? >> good evening, anderson. you know the cost of the president's ties to russia cannot be our national security. and if this is true, that is a price that we could pay. and if you step back and look at what happened here, the president is alleged to have given classified information to a foreign adversary, who i would argue, anderson, when you look back at this a new years from now, i would ask that why were
the russians even in the oval office after the attack they carried out. so given that role with a foreign adversary could put american lives at risk. i hope that the administration comes to congress this week particularly to our committee and updates us as to exactly what was revealed. and is this a change in policy on how we communicate with russians. >> what "the washington post" has reported, it does sound like it was more of a boast by the president, than a particular desire to pass along specific information to these two russians. >> i want to learn more, anderson, i'm not going to jump to conclusions just yet, but remember this was somebody who fired the fbi director the day before the meeting because he was too much of a show boater. so if your president was show boating or grandstanding with
u.s. intelligence in such a grandiose way, everyone should be concerned about it. the house and senate investigations into the firing of james comey and whether the president recorded conversations with and who knows, were these conversations with the russians recorded? more on that ahead.
commission or a special prosecutor. as for the president's -- 29% approval rating for trump's firing of comey. as for the president's tweets he might have recorded the krves conversations comey, the white house 17 times has avoided answering our questions about it. >> did president trump record his conversations with former fbi director comey? >> i have talked to the president and the president has nothing further to add on that. >> why did he say that? why did he tweet that? >> as i said, the president has nothing further to add on that. the tweet speaks for itself. i'm moving on. >> does anybody in this white house have a recording of what transpired in the january 28th dinner. >> the president's made it clear
what his position is. hal halle, i have answered the question over and over again the same way. >> that is certainly true. back with the panel, gloria, there's a report from republican senator susan collins, quote, can we have a crisis free day? that's all i'm asking. it does feel like virtually every day there's some new situation arising out of the white house that the white house has to clean up and has to come back out and make news statements got, and news statements often raise more questions. >> by the way, a lot of the confusion flows from the top down. this is a president who tweeted about comey better hope that the conversations aren't taped. and this is a president who sat in the oval office with two russians and apparently said some things he shouldn't have said. and this is why, i talked to a couple of republicans from the house today, who were saying to
me, this is why we're worried that our whole agenda's going to be derailed. because we're not trying to do tax reform, for example. and this is also why, anderson, that you don't see a whole lot of republican surrogates out there rushing to defend the president every time he does something like this because they're not sure they should. and that's why you saw a republican like mccain, who's been quite critical, saying, okay, i have to learn more about this, because they're getting hit by this every single day. and they don't know what to think from day to day. >> and kirsten, unlike the reactireak sh reaction on the day comey was fired, kellyanne conway, everybody was put on tv to -- tonight they sent out mcmaster
in a very carefully worded statement, that did not reflect the actual reporting. and then the statement from tillerson, and then said no more statements tonight. >> i also think it's interesting that dena powell and now they have been sent out and are now going to be tarnished by what went down tonight and these sort of orthodox and not denial denials. ultimately the problem is with him and he creates this chaos and sends these people out to clean up these messes, but until he stops doing the things that are causing the messes, no communications strategy is going to solve the problem. >> at what point do capitol hill republicans start to distance themselves from the president, or senators or congress men?
>> yeah, i think gloria made a very interesting point which is that this is almost a game theory. if you're a conservative writer or whatever, republican politician, you're sort of balancing, is he nixon? is he mccarthy? is he reagan? there were conservatives like george well who attacked, reagan didn't have until late in his administration the scandal part, but there were conservatives like george will who -- is he nixon? it's unclear. so i think that you're having people hedge bets and i don't know when the tipping point is going to come, but at some point, people will abandon him. >> jeffrey, if the president did what "the washington post" says he did, what the "new york times" says he did.
and basically h.r. mcmaster has not denied what he did, neither is rex tillerson that he gave classified information to the russian ambassador and foreign minister. that it may affect intelligence sharing from our allies to the united states, would you agree that that is bad. >> sure, if in fact that's exactly what he did. but anderson, i think it will also open -- it will continue to open up the whole question of leaks and classified information. i mean let's just recall the irony here, this is a "washington post" story, and while i was waiting to go on, i noticed that in march of this year, tom hanks and meryl streep announced they were making a movie of the "washington post" leak of the pentagon papers, which were entirely classified and they're being celebrated for
it. i just think there's some confusion all over washington. >> most of the confusion is coming out of the oval office, it doesn't seem like there's a lot of confusion coming out of "washington post," because "the washington post" has a good track record as does the "new york times" reporting that has all flushed out to be true and what they have come out on tv to deny has turned out not to be true. >> anderson, there were two stories from "the washington post," that the attorney general threatened to resign, which he personally denied to a washington news channel. and then director comey had asked for more resources and then the deputy director, the acting director says to the committee, that that's not so, he has no memory of that. so not everything that gets written in the "washington post" is 100% accurate. >> look at this from the russian point of view. so they have got chaos in the
united states government, people arguing about whether they hacked the election, or whether the transition team was in collusion with the russians. >> they got a foreign minister and their ambassador in the friggin' oval office, and getting according to reporting code word level classified information directly from the president of the united states in the oval office. you cannot make this up. >> that's my next point. they walk into the oval and they get all this information, and they walk out, they go wow, let's reverse engineer all of this and figure out who the source is, if they didn't already figure it out while they were sitting there. so they're sitting there and kind of laughing about all of this, saying, well, this is better than we thought when we hacked. >> coming up, matt lewis and former white house counsel john dean. also stay tuned for the town hall meeting hosted by nancy pelosi.
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to figure out the highly sensitive source. there's some disagreement, i should note according to one of the sources as to how far the president went in revealing this information. the intelligence relates to what is known as a sensitive access program or sap which covers some of the most highly classified information and is protected with unique additional access and security protocol. that point is key there, anderson. often with intelligence, you can hve two differing opinions about the same thing. did the president go too far? will the russians be able to figure it out based on what the president revealed of this particular information? there is concern that of the adversaries we have that russia is so highly skilled at this kind of thing that their concern is that russia could reennegine based on what they know. >> and potentially endangering either an individual or individuals or a collection method? >> exactly. or frankly an intelligence
sharing partnership. it's a partner that did not want to know it's sharing this kind of information with the u.s. >> which is obviously -- the u.s. relies on intelligence partners to share information, regionally all around the world. >> exactly. often you rely on allies. you have an open sharing relationship with. the five is being the most pertinent example. five countries, u.s., canada, great britain, australia, new zealand. if we know it, they know it. you have other relationships, france, germany, japan. then you have relationships where you share in certain situations and not in other situations. this being one of them, particularly sensitive. >> we should point out the u.s. has had difficult relationships at times with our allies in terms of intelligence sharing with the unit ed kingdom when there were spies. there was concern about the infiltration. this is another level of concern that the president of the united states might have revealed.
>> it is. it's one that i have heard from foreign intelligence officials and foreign diplomats prior to today, the concern is if we share this, might it come out, frankly, of the president's mouth at some point based on the way he has discussed these issues during the campaign and since his election? here is an example of how that concern could be born out. >> jim sciutto, appreciate the reporting. i want to welcome former nixon white house counsel john dean. thanks for being with us. you have seen "the washington post" report and "the new york times" reporting. you heard what jim sciutto said. what's your reaction? >> well, having been in government, having had classified status for a number of years, i can tell you it's hard enough for government employees who are experienced to know what line they can go up to and not cross. the answer repeatedly is, anderson, just to say nothing when you get in these areas.
a president sometimes has to speak. generally has thought carefully what he is going to talk about when he goes into these areas. mr. trump has no government experience. here again, it's showing. sg . >> the white house tried to shoot down the story in as coordinated a way as they can saying the president didn't discuss sources or methods from the russians. we heard that from the secretary of state, from mcmaster. that is not what "the washington post" actually reported. do you see any parallels -- when you hear a statement by that -- like that, someone might call a non-denial denial, what stands out to you? >> well, i think this is just damage control by the white house with our partner, whoever we got the information from. it's not unexpected the white house would deny the stories or give the appearance if they're not hitting all the points. that didn't surprise me. i don't know what else they could do, frankly, other than try to minimize the scope of the
story and narrow it down to what they think is appropriate. >> does it -- is there a benefit in coming out and making a statement that doesn't really address the actual story? because then obviously, news programs point out immediately, well, that was an interesting statement but when you actually look at the words, it's actually not referring to what the actual report said. >> it is conspicuous. i heard it on the radio. i didn't even read it. i read it later. it's very obvious they are not banging away at the story itself. they are playing around it. i don't know if they think this will get confused in translation or what's going to happen. it's not a very strong defense even. >> republican senator bob corker said today that this white house is, quote, in a downward spiral right now and they have to figure out a way to come to grips with all that's happening. do you agree with that? how do you think they could get a handle on this? obviously, critics will say this comes from the top. is it a question of changing staff, trying to get more
control over who has access to the president, how information is disseminated? >> frankly, this is my biggest concern in donald trump getting elected is the fact that he didn't know what he was doing and then when he didn't surround himself with a powerful and experienced staff, he was asking for more problems. to stop the mistakes, to stop this chaos and crisis a day, he has to get somebody in there who he will listen to, somebody who knows their way around washington, knows their way around the government. because the people who are there right now really do not know what they're doing. and it's fairly dangerous. this is a very dangerous situation they have gone into today. >> i know jim sciutto has a question for you. >> mr. dean, thanks very much. to this point with various mistakes in the past, most republicans really the vast majority of republicans have been reluctant to call the president on it, at least in public. to see senator bob corker today, who is often held his fire, talk
about the white house being in a downward spiral, certainly a change. i wonder if you in light of your experience have a message to republican lawmakers about the specific instance of the president's here? is there something that you would say to republicans about what the president is believed to have done here? >> that was certainly a shot across the bow today from corker. and i think he is leading the way in doing so. what historically has happened when republicans have taken on powerful presidents like mr. nixon is they have come out on the good end of history and not the wrong end of history. so when you can just obviously see mistakes and refuse to call them, uriyou are inviting more those mistakes. republicans need to get their act together and not be so worried about legislation they're not enacting because that's what they want to have happen. this is just distorting and distracting all of washington. >> in the minute we have left, the echos -- i guess i have to
reference watergate here. the ranking member of the house oversight committee, also the ranking member of the house judiciary committee saying if there's any recordings, congress needs to obtain them. the idea we are talking about recordings in the oval office is -- i don't know if it's jada view or -- if it's deja vu or -- it's by jizarbizarre. >> the white house as early as 2011 transferred their system into the voip, where they can now have digital packets. they may well be a button on his phone he can press and make a recording. that's not impossible. >> fascinating. john dean, it's great to have you with cnn. it's great to have you on the program tonight. >> thank you. >> all of this is happening as the ninth circuit court of appeals grapples with the president's travel ban.
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completely debunked the campaign-related charges. let's take a look. >> the general counsel for the clinton mob family, lanny davis, he had his client pleaded to two counts of criminality that don't exist. these campaign finance violations all over tv saying implicates the president directly.re first, let's back up. it is a guilty plea. it is a plea bargain between ale prosecutor and a criminal. a criminal who doesn't want to spend the rest of his life in prison. that is not precedent. that applies only to that specific case. nobody cites plea bargains for precedent. that's number one. number two, just because a prosecutor says that somebody violated a campaign law, doesn't make it so. he's not the judge, he's not the jury. we didn't adjudicate anything. it never went to court. that's number two. a campaign expenditure under our
federal campaign laws is an expenditure solely for campaign activity. a candidate who spends his own money or even corporate moneyid for an event that occurred not as a result of the campaign, it is not a campaign expenditure. >> sean: in other words, most of the liberal lawyers you see on tv are dopes. they don't know the law. look at harvard law professor alan dershowitz, also debunking these charges. guys, watch, listen, learn. it will help you. >> the law is clear that a president may contribute to his own campaign. if the president had paid $280,000 to these two women, even if he had done so in order to help his campaign, that would be no problem. that's legal. and if cohen himself made the contribution, that would be unlawful because he has a limit of $5200. so the complicated issue is what if trump told him to do it, as cohen says.
of the campaign and that's big. but it's not even a campaign violation. if you look at president obama, he had a massive campaign violation, but he had a different attorney general and they viewed it a lot differently. >> sean: while the media want you to believe that michael cohen, a central player in all things trump, the president had a much different take. let's listen to him. >> michael cohen. tell me about your relationship with him. >> he was a lawyer for me forr - one of many -- the lawyer and f then they like to add "the fixer." i don't know if he was a fixer. i don't know where that term came from. didn't do big deals, did small deals.al not somebody that was with me -- they make it sound like i didn't live without him. s i understood michael cohen very well. it turned out he wasn't a very good lawyer, frankly. but he was somebody that was probably with me for about ten years.ob
and i would see him sometimes. >> sean: michael cohen's attorney lanny davis says that his client would not even accept a pardon from the president. he actually said that today. lanny, i've known you a lot ofct years, who are you representing here? that michael cohen wouldn't accept a pardon? he's facing as many as five years in jail. j lanny, i know you are so embedded into the clintons, you love all things clinton, but you are supposed to represent michael here and if he was ever offered a pardon, it would be pretty stupid not to take it. what a disservice. no person would be better off spending years in prison with a felony conviction on their track record or getting a pardon. basic, simple common sense, lanny. regardless of what you think about michael cohen, paul manafort, it is clear they have been targeted. they have been singled out for that one time connection to president trump and now both men, you can add michael flynn and george papadopoulos, they
all face time in jail. a horrible example of what we have been exposing on this program. a two-tiered justice system.ha equal justice under the law, equal application of our laws. the great system of our constitutional republic. in 2008, you may recall theth obama campaign, $1.3 million in illegal contributions. guess what? nobody got charged. nobody got indicted. nobody went to prison, no one was slapped with a felony. just a campaign fine. 375 grand. 2017, the clinton campaign, the dnc, they were reported for failing to properly disclose their financial contributions to the dirty dossier. coie, the law firm that then hired fusion gps, the opposition research group that then hired christopher steele, the foreign national not supposed to impact our election, that then paid for russian life that he doesn'tt even stand by, then became the basis to lie to the american people before the campaign, then
became the basis of four fisa warrants to spy on the trump campaign associate. that's the whole thing.ca they didn't report that money. that's a legal expense. it wasn't. robert mueller, nowhere to be found. and on the tax front, in 2015 according to a report from the then-congressman jason chaffetz, he's in for laura ingraham tonight. federal workers owed a billion dollars in unpaid taxes. they worked for your government including many in obama's white house. of course, no special counsel, no investigation, no indictment, nothing against these tax cheats. they are working our federal government a lot.. a billion dollars is kind of are lot of money. i read that somewhere. it's now really clear that there is one system of justice for hillary clinton, the democrats, deep state bureaucrats. the obama white house, they have one system of justice. anyone else, you and me, anyone tied to donald trump, a different system of justice. this republic can't survive with
a dual justice system, which brings us to our next critical point. i have been shouting this from the rooftops since may. we are about to face what i'm calling the most important midterm elections in our lifetime. 76 days from today while the deep state is working around the clock to dig up dirt on anybody, anything associated withdy this president that you elected, thec american people, democrats are now planning to use thisan information to bring articles of impeachment against the president. it doesn't matter that there's no collusion. mark levin was right last night. robert mueller will write an impeachment document. it doesn't matter that the president did nothing wrong and broke no law. mark my words, if democrats, if you stay home on election day, and democrats take back the house of representatives, i promise you, mark my words, they will bring articles of impeachment against the president. i have been warning about this for a long time.
if you don't believe it now, i don't know what will make you believe it. 76 days, you will decide if the president and his agenda goes forward, because they will stop that. this november, the future of this continued successful economic boom, continued peace through strength, all of this, a lot of stuff at stake, andnd sadly, that's not all. we know what the democratic agenda is. it's pretty scary actually.w what they called crumbs, your tax cuts, they want their crimes back and as we said, they want to impeach the president. as we told you, they want to preserve obamacare. lose your doctor, lose your plan, pay more. that seems to work for them. they want to block judge kavanaugh and constitutionalists to the supreme court, originalists. they want open borders, eliminate i.c.e., they are saying as much. they want to kill off all of these investigations, just drop it right there for their deep state friends and this massive abuse of power that we have
been able to expose and as always the mainstream media, the destroy-trump-media, they are just doing the bidding of the left, the democratic party. they are an extension of the press office and like a broken record, for what seems like the millionth time, the crisis peddlers in the news media in this country, the echo chamber, they are all predicting the same thing because it's what they are hoping for, impeachment. this is what they wanted for a long time. this is their shot.ea take a look. >> given the events of today, the likelihood of impeachment, i'm not saying it's high but it certainly went up. >> impeachment. >> impeachment. >> impeachment. >> impeachment. >> impeachment. >> the president is clearly guilty of high crimes and misdemeanors.ar he should resign his office or be impeached. >> today the term presidency took a giant step toward impeachment. >> impeachment. >> impeachment. >> impeachment. >> impeachment. >> impeachment. >> impeachment implications are now in the air.
>> impeachment. >> impeachment. >> if it is a crime it certainly is an impeachable or french. >> impeachment. >> impeachment. >> impeachment. >> sean: remember stormy, stormy, stormy. russia, russia, russia. they hyperventilate over whatever the issue is of the day. for over 24 hours, your apocalyptic press has been working overtime in overdrive pushing anti-trump conspiracy theory after conspiracy theory. we have the evidence, take a look. you decide. >> the man who once said he would take a bullet for donald trump today in federal court was essentially calling his old boss and client, now the president of the united states, a crook. >> so there are a lot of players now who start to potentially construct an enterprise, a criminal enterprise that is around, or may even involve, the president. >> as of now and is not going to change that donald trump is indeed a scumbag. voters know that.
>> just -- i think there is something worse than useful idiots and that would be a useful idiot under legal siege and that is what president donald trump is this morning. >> sean: really want to stay home in 76 days? did you vote for the president, happy with the economy? want to stay the course, youhe like the judges appointed, you want borders secured? do you want health care transformed? do you want peace through strength? but it's this kind of reckless abusive bias, if the very reason the president has rightly criticized the media, including this moment in his interview on "fox & friends" that will air tomorrow morning with ainsley. take a look. >> the press. it is the press the enemy of the people? >> not at all, but the fake news is and the fake news is f comprised of -- it's a big chunk. somebody said what's the chunk? i said 80%. it's a lot. it's a lot.
if i do something well, it's not reported. other than in the 20%. "the new york times" cannot write a good story about me. they are crazed. they are like lunatics. >> sean: as you can see from tonight's monologue, i told you a long time ago, the very beginning, it actually started the day he and melania came down the escalator. five forces that have been working against the president are now more active. they sense there's blood in the water. they are literally harmoniously working together and most of them would love the impeachment of the president you voted for and stop the progress, ruin his agenda. now, this is real and never has care about your vote in 2016, you might want to register and vote, knowing that this hate, this destruction, this havoc that will occur if the democrats take back the house. it's a clear and present danger. don't tell me, by the way, the morning after the election, that you didn't have sufficient knowledge of what they would do.
76 days from today, you have a massive opportunity to protect your vote in 2016, preserve that vote, repair the system of justice, make this country a better place for every american. there's a lot riding on this midterm. they want to undo the agenda you voted for. they want to stop the progress we have obviously made that theo will never talk about in the media. before we wrap up our monologue tonight, let's turn to thishe horrific, sad story out of iowa. 20-year-old college student mollie tibbetts senselessly murdered.-y her body recovered in a cornfield and now a mexican national in this country illegally has now confessed to stalking and murdering mollie tibbetts while she was out jogging. the monster likely responsible for this crime is now being held on $5 million bail.. earlier today, the president, he reacted on twitter, take a look. >> mollie tibbetts, an incredible young woman, is now permanently separated from her family.
a person came in from mexico illegally and killed her. we need the wall, we need our immigration laws changed, we need our border laws changed. we need republicans to do it because the democrats aren't going to do it. to the family of mollie tibbetts, all i can say is god bless you. >> sean: foxnews.com has been covering the tragic story for weeks. we will have more coverage on this later in the show. joining us now with reaction our top story of the night back from her exclusive interview with the hefriends" cohost, ainsley earhardt. what's going on? congratulations. big interview. there's a lot there. let's first start to the news from yesterday. he talked a lot about michaelom cohen. we just heard part of it, paul manafort. tell us what you see.. >> when we sat down with him, my
questions were michael cohen's story changed. originally he said that i paid off women, the president didn't know about it, and then all of a sudden his story changes and then he's also pleading guilty to eight different counts, so do we believe him? that was the question this morning. this is a guy that has lied, tae returns, fraud, and now he's changing his story about the president so when i sat down with the president, i said my number one question i wanted to ask him is, what happened? did you know, did he pay off these women, did you know about? it? he said, i didn't at first and now i know about it and i said, if it wasn't illegal, because we've had several attorneys that have been on our morning show saying it's not illegal to doo this, so if it's not illegal, then how did he get a plea bargain? he was facing 65 years behind bars in prison. how did he go from 65 years possibly max to 3-5 years? if it wasn't illegal, why are they using that? he said, because if there something negative that they can say about me, they will use thau
and they will lessen their sentence. that extreme just because they hate me. keep in mind this is the mueller investigation. the mueller investigation was looking into manafort's past,as looking into cohen's past and that led them to all of these tax fraud. it has nothing to do with russia. >> sean: is he more mad at michael because of the tape than paul manafort? i noticed in his comments yesterday he mentioned manafort but not michael.i >> he mentioned pardoning manafort and you have michael cohen's attorneys. he said he considered that. he feels, i think -- i think he feels bad for manafort.ls they were friends, he didn't work for him for very long. worked for him for basically 100 days. the president didn't know about all of the tax stuff.de he wouldn't know about that. >> sean: it was way before their relationship. in mind who worked for reagan >> and he did say, he said keep in mind who worked for reagan for a long time. >> sean: he worked for a lot of people.
>> just because he is associated with me and they hate me so much.nd >> sean: what i'm pointing out and i believe and i talked a for a long time is that there are these forces against the president. i talk about five of them.m. i also believe with the democrats agenda, they are telegraphing it.m 76 days from now, there's going to be an election. i believe, and i've been saying on the air that they would want to impeach him. with all the hysteria in the media, did that come up at all? >> i asked him that question. i said, if the democrats win the midterms, their agenda is going to be to impeach because there's no russia collusion at least so far. so what's the next step if they hate you so much? what are they going to do? and he agreed that they are going to try to impeach and he says he basically expects that. >> sean: there so many key players here and there is such a double standard. we know a lot. we know hillary paids for russin propaganda to influence the american people which is kindd f cheating because it was never verified or corroborated. these were lies that she paid for, funneled money, which is another issue we just pointed out.
but then you've got the fisa warrant abuse. nobody's getting indicted in those cases. a lot of this goes back to jeffo sessions. and did he talk about either jeff or rod or mueller? >> he did. i can't tell you about what he said about that but i did ask him. i've got to save it for the morning show. i did ask him, i said are you going to fire jeff sessions? there are rumors you will fire him, rumors you will fire rosenstein and what are you thinking?ot i'm not going to tell you. you've got to watch the morning show because i can't give it all the way here but he did say -- he did say that it's such a double standard beyond a double standard what happened with hillary clinton and how she got off.f. that's going to break news. >> sean: what he said about sessions and rosenstein and mueller? >> absolutely. >> sean: wow. what else can you tell us? >> there was so much more. we asked him about mollie tibbetts and i.c.e. and how he has doubled down. so many people are saying
abolish i.c.e., abolish i.c.e. but he doubled down. he brings i.c.e. to the white house and honors them. >> sean: a lot of news here that people want to see in the morning. >> there was so much breaking news yesterday and there was so much negative news, hats off to him for sitting down with me today. a i think that was very brave because we learned in journalism school if someone sets a narrative, you've got to defend yourself. >> sean: thank you for sharing your interview. tomorrow morning. we have a lot more coming up straight ahead. ♪ bass pro shops and cabela's
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here with reaction author of three weeks and running number one "new york times" best seller, "the russian hoax." fox news legal analyst gregg jarrett and fox newsin investigative reporter contributor sara carter. i was a little intrigued by what ainsley said about in the interview -- she didn't give us -- about rod rosenstein andbo sessions. it seems at this point we are never going to get -- they are defying subpoenas, they are not listening. jeff sessions literally created this mess. >> here's a way they should be fired. i talked to a former career guy, a lawyer at the department of justice. he said it is outrageous that jeff sessions and rod rosenstein would authorize a guilty plea to a noncrime and this is a guy who spent much of his career doing election law and he laughed and he said this is not a crime. it's not a violation of federal election laws for several reasons. first of all, it's not a crime to contribute to your own campaign and that's what the president did. even if he ran it through an llc
temporarily, that's nothing more than a loan or advance, that ist not a crime. and second of all, he said it doesn't even count as a campaigi expense, why? because there is another dual purpose of personal orpa commercial reason for it. so this is outrageous that there was a guilty plea for a noncrime. >> sean: two of the eight counts we are talking about, not one, two. >> professor dershowitz isng right. they didn't care about michael cohen. they wanted to give him a sweetheart deal so that he would say something to implicate the president and he implicated the president in a noncrime. >> sean: whether or not the media is aware of the issues we pointed out in many of the stories that you've been able to break, sara, there are still legal issues out there. we still have comey and mccabebe and strzok and page and sally yates and this deep state.
we do have fisa court judges lied to. we did have a fix in thert investigation with hillary clinton and the evidence was overwhelming and incontrovertible. the biggest obstruction case we've ever seen. so all of this is stillom percolating as the media is getting all giddy here and i know for a fact there's a lot more information coming out probably sooner than later. >> absolutely. let me just go to one point about mueller.is this is the most important point. as he's targeting everyone in trump's campaign, previous officials, it's attorney general jeff sessions that was with him for some point in time. rod rosenstein wrote the letter that asked president trump to basically fire comey and he listed out a number of reasons. let's think about this. jeff sessions could be a potential witness. that leads me to suspect thatus he may himself resign from the position of attorney general
eventually. if he is called by mueller.ig he can't serve as the attorney general and then be a witness and then you have rod rosenstein. isn't he a potential witness? of course.al >> sean: he's been conflicted the whole time. >> he's been conflicted. so these are two very realal possibilities. something that can happen. and mark my words, this is something that could drags jeff sessions right into the mueller investigation, so the irony here is that it may work in the favor of getting rid of jeff sessions and rod rosenstein. this.nk about mueller has already interviewed his own boss, rod rosenstein. i mean, talk about a conflict of interest. >> sean: there's a new bookk out. it's not as good as yours but peter schweizer. the guy that brought us uranium one, "clinton cash." do you know that jim comey worked for lockheed martin? we will break a lot of this tomorrow. just giving a little teaser
here.ng in one year, 2009, alone, they say in the book that james comey was paid $6.1 million just for working for them and this was on new important spy information. i'm not suggesting anything necessarily is nefarious but it's never been disclosed and that robert mueller was at the fbi and signed off on that 6.1 -- in that one year, there's five other years, i don't know how much he got paid. also got $6 million of a hedge fund. that's an awful lot of money it seems to me. >> these guys were leveraging their government positions, according to the book, to enrich themselves and the company and the private sector they were working for. it's very much the same arguments i make in my book of how they were leveraging their relationship with each other for a long period of time, which is why this is a conflict of interest. for mueller to be investigating the president on a case in which
his longtime friend, ally, and partner, james comey, is a key witness against the president. >> sean: i think when people see this and give us a littlehi hint of what you are working on in the next couple of weeks. >> we have a lot more stories o coming forward. especially on the clinton foundation and members of the fbi and a little bit more on the fisa application. i say stay tuned. >> sean: i can't wait to talk to those judges where fraud was perpetrated. i wonder how they feel. i was brought up old-fashioned that if you are subpoenaed, you don't delete your emails and acid wash the hard drive and bust up devices and i was also taught to a judge you say, yes, your honor, no, your honor, and you don't purposefully lie to judges to get a warrant to spy on it opposition party candidate but i might just be old-fashioned. i am maybe a little i bit out of touch and they know that's not the same as, let's see, taxes going back ten years. >> you wouldn't fit in in the current doj, fbi. >> sean: good work, both of you. michelle malkin, pam bondi reacting to an illegal immigrant
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in this country for us and in florida alone, as attorney general, they are f amazing. first of all, there are so many gangs from out of this country in my state. listen to this. in 2014 with no border security, 1200 criminal gangs were identified. 1200 separate gangs. 53,000 documented gang members, documented by law enforcement -- >> sean: in florida. >> in florida. and over 11,000 gangs in prison or on doc supervision in my state. that's why we have to build a wall. >> sean: why were they not sent back if they are in the justice system, it's because they are not only doing burglaries, robberies, supporting drug habits, -- >> sean: we will not be able to bring mollie tibbetts back. michelle, pam is talking about one state. i mentioned it a lot on the air. we've shown it a lot on the airw
down to the border, rio grande to san diego at least a dozen times. horseback, all terrain vehicle, horseback was embarrassing. helicopters, boats, i've been there. i sat through a security briefing in texas. during a seven year period, 642,000 crimes committedev agait texas alone. some of those were murder. some of them are heinous violent crimes. to me, the fact that we haven't secure the border and democrats don't want to secure the border, it probably could be campaign issue number one and 76 days,ec michelle.r, >> well, it should be. and it will be if americans finally rise up and push back against the politicization of this issue. not by president trump and republicans and conservatives who are talking about mollie tibbetts' death today and who talk about criminal activity of illegal aliens pretty much every day, as i have for the last 25 years, i have devoted much of my
career to exposing the bawdy consequences of open borders. i wrote two books about it. i, too, have been to the border many times and have many sources i have developed at all levels of government that deal with these problems. here's the point. the case that we are talking about today underscores a message i have been sending. these examples are arguments for more and vigorous and better enforcement and not less and as a campaign issue, you have democrats who are all lockstep that i.c.e. should be abolished. they are finally openly brazenly, like keith ellison is saying, that we should have no borders at all. it is a disgrace. you've got elizabeth warren now lecturing people about which family separations they should be caring about. mollie tibbetts has beenmi permanently, violently separated from her family. of course we should care and now you have members of the media who are attacking this
channel and people on it for caring about cases likee this that happen every single day. >> sean: i'm going to get to the in the next segment. it is sad -- and it's preventable. that's the thing. you look at the sanctuary city laws and, pam, they won't hand over to i.c.e. people that are in the criminal justice system. they literally refused to obey the law. hillary and her emails, delete, destroy, break up devices. i think i would go to jail if i committed a fraud to fisa judges, i think i would go to jail. these are dumb things to do. i also think that if i was able to release a criminal and hide them and not hand them over to law enforcement, why do i think i would go to jail on that too? and how do they all get away with it? because they are complicit, they are aiding and abetting crimes. >> they certainly are and then you have people like elizabeth warren enabling them by her ridiculous statements about this is one girl who died, how sorry she is. but we have to look at what's
best for all of these illegal immigrants. one death is too much. >> sean: but it's okay if t you don't pay her taxes and your friends with donald trump or you lie on the loan application and you're friends with donald trump. there is our two-tier justice system. michelle. >> i want to say this, too. there's no such thing as a free lunch and there's no such thing as cheap, illegal alien labor. every person in this country has a responsibility to help uphold our immigration laws and that includes employers. e-verify is only used by 10% of employers in america. that is astonishing. there need to be both real civil and criminal penalties for employers who knowingly and intentionally and deliberately employ illegal aliens inin this country. they have blood on their hands too. t >> sean: michelle, thank you. congrats on "the five" all week. you don't want to miss it. when we come back, former speaker of the house newt gingrich will talk about
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laws are so bad. the immigration laws are such a disgrace. we are getting them changed, but we have to get more republicans. >> sean: the president last night reacting to the arrest of an illegal immigrant for the murder of iowa college student mollie tibbetts. yesterday just hours after the arrest, a guest on conspiracy tv msnbc, while bashing president trump and fox news, refer to this young woman mollie tibbetts as "a girl in iowa." really? take a look. >> they have been so willing to move the goal post every single time with this president, no w matter what he says, no matter what he does. the fact that he was even sworn in as president after the "access hollywood" tape let me know for a fact that the republican party is actually not working on behalf of the american people, they're working on behalf of donald trump and he's been able to bully them into their silence and i don't think that today changes much unfortunately.
i'm sure we'll hear about what he has to say about this at his rally. but fox news is talking about a girl in iowa and not this, right? >> sean: the msnbc guest later apologized for the comment and tweeted out "yesterday i said something flippant that was unintended. mollie tibbetts was a promising young woman who lost her life. my hope is that her family will find peace and justice and that her murder is not used to justify a discriminatory immigration policy." wow. joining us with more, the author of the best seller, "the truth about our nation's great comeback," former speaker of the house, fox news contributor newt gingrich.on it's actually the opposite of what this person, this girl over it msnbc is saying, and this woman is saying, and that is it's really clear that the trump economy, which you point out in the first half of your book, is what is driving so many people to support him. we have record low unemployment, 14 states. african-americans, hispanic americans, asian-americans. youth unemployment is at
an all-time low. women in the workplace. that is a big part of the story and yes he wants to protect our nation from what is happening with illegal immigration. >> i think it's very telling that mollie tibbetts was an american, a young lady with a great future. she was killed. the person who killed her was illegally in the united states. when people say, well, we would like to protect americans but let's not discriminate, look, if discriminating means you are to discriminate against criminals, let's have a debate. i'm pro-discrimination against ms-13. i am pro-discrimination against violent criminals. i am pro-discrimination in favor of americans having their lives saved. so let's talk about what the left means by discrimination, because in their use of the word in the end, it means open borders. it means abolishing i.c.e., it means anybody who wants to can come in and it means a total
lack of judgment. and i think that mollie tibbetts could be a more important person in september and october thans paul manafort ever dreamed of, because while he was convicted of things he did as a private citizen, none of them involving donald trump, she was killed by a person who is exactly what trump has been warning about and i think the left has to bear the burden of being the party that is tolerating americans being killed by people who are here illegally. >> sean: 76 days away from this election. you are one of the great political strategists in our time. a you took back control of congress for the first time for republicans in 40 years. i was there the night you became speaker.r. 1994. but i want to look at these. for example, general flynn lying to the fbi. papadopoulos lying to the fbi or lying to investigators. then you've got tax, bank fraud, cohen, manafort and then campaign finance issues, which, again, every smart lawyer knows trump atmpact donald
all. and my question to you is, what does this have to do with russia?ue because i'm beginning to sense and feel that everybody is so overreached and people are asking, this is it? this is what the russia thing is? that i think it's going to create a backlash in 76 days that maybe people aren't seeing. >> we are in the middle of a 2-universe fight over the nature of america. the left would like paul manafort and all these other legal things to be the deciding issue in december and october. we want lowest black unemployment in american history. lowest latino on employment in american history. over 4% growth. wages going up. americans having judges approved in record numbers. bad regulations being thrown out in record numbers. we want to have a debate in
which our universe is a universe of real accomplishments and their universe is a universe of essentially trying to block everything, and i think if we communicate that correctly, we will win by a huge margin. i did this the other night with you and you were shocked -- on your radio show -- because i was so optimistic. are you really this optimistic and my answer is simple. if the president and his team and the republicans in congressl and their consultants can wage a campaign that insists that this election is about the issues that matter to the american people, we can shock people on election night with one of the most astounding off yearon elections in history. >> sean: thank you for joining us. when we come back, rush limbaugh mocking robert mueller earlier today. we've got the video. that's next.h ♪ we've got the video. that's we know that growing up means passing it down. we know that hunting actually helps our nation's wildlife
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rush limbaugh talked about the special counsel and the witch hunt, mueller mrl. >> add this to the reasons this is a fraud. robert mueller knows that this lawbreaking went on and he's ignoring it. so does everybody else in this investigation know that everything about this is bogus and fraudulent and it didn't happen. yet they pursue it while at the same time ignoring the real crimes they participated in themselves. that's why i say all of this is an ongoing continued cover-up. >> sean: check mate, rush. all true. that's all the time we have. we will always be fair and balanced. quick programming note. don't forget. set your alarm. wake up early. watch the entire interview with president trump tomorrow morning on "fox & friends" starting at 6:00 a.m. we hope you will tune in. also tonight at 11:00 p.m.,
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problem it would be legal. if cohen himself made the contribution that would be unlawful because he has a limit of $5200. the complicated issue is what if trump told him to do it? then cohen would be acting for trump in the campaign contribution would be unlawful as long as the president ultimately paid in advance on what he was going to pay. that would be completely lawful. the prosecutor is in a little bit of a catch-22. if he believes cohen that the president directed him to do it then that's not a crime at all. if he doesn't believe, one, then, one has committed a crime and not the president and the legal pundits have been saying if colin admits to a crime, that makes trump an unindicted coconspirator just wrong as a matter of basic criminal law. you don't become an unindicted coconspirator if your action is
here is the deputy assistant attorney general on this very point. >> it's the exact opposite and it really gives rise to the sort of watergate comparisons. what cohen says in court, it's not in the information. he made a point of saying it not only was it a direction of trump but it was for the purpose of influencing the election. that gets down the middle in the bull's-eye of high crime and misdemeanor especially given how excruciatingly close the election was. it's quite like what the watergate burglars did except nixon was up 25 points against mcgovern. that is a serious corruption of governmental function and the election. >> it's not even a close question, that is so over-the-top. is not a crime to contribute to her own campaign. if he had written a letter to these two women saying you're going to hurt me in my campaign, i'm going to pay you $150,000 to
help me get elected president and you have to keep it quiet, it's hush money. no crime. i challenge any of those who say it's a crime to find me anything in criminal law that would make it a crime for a president personally to pay in order to save his own election. it's just not against the law. it may be a political sin, even if it determines the outcome of the election but the rule of law requires that when you say something is a crime, show me the statute. show me the statute. there is no statute that would make that a crime. it might be a misdemeanor for the campaign to fail to report that payment but it would be on the campaign, not on the candidate. that's not even a close questio question. that's not the kind of thing the framers had in mind. >> bret: they would have to have much more than what cohen has brought to the table right now to think about moving down
supreme court nominee brett kavanaugh until the air is cleared from all of this from the and manafort situation, your thoughts on that. >> the republicans deserve everything they get on this. they illegally improperly withheld a vote on the nomination of gore merrick garo that neil gorsuch could be nominated. i don't think two wrongs make a right. i think this nomination should go forward on its merits, we have to hear a lot more from brett kavanaugh to see if he warrants a confirmation. i think the framers of the constitution intended the senate to vote yes or no. they didn't intend the senate to be able to delay it until the end of the president's term. >> bret: new fox news poll indicating republicans trail
democrats 50-39 in favorability with a similar spread and unfavorable as you can see by the numbers. despite all of the negative press the president has been dealing with the last day plus. around the country by campaigning hard for his handpicked favorites. corresponded peter doocy looks at what the president is facing. >> president trump is clearing his calendar to help republicans keep control of congress, carving out at least 40 days between august and election day to campaign. that's at least five more days than president obama spent on the trail in the 2010 midterms and a person familiar with his thinking said we expect for him to be probably the most aggressive campaigner in recent presidential history. air force one stops will include north dakota, south dakota, missouri, montana, nevada, kentucky, and tennessee.
"we are fighting history, history tells us this is going to be a challenging year." a fresh batch of fox news pulls back set up because 53% of voters disapprove of president trump's job performance, eight points more than voters who approve. 76% of clinton voters say they are certain to vote in november, 9% more than trump voters. democratic voters are inspired but what about democratic candidates? >> they have nothing to run on other than attacking the president. >> attacking the president is the foundation of their pitch. >> via check and balance to donald trump wherever appropriate, preserve people's health care. >> health care is an issue president trump things will hurt vulnerable democrats. >> president trump: joe manchin always voted for obama and he voted to keep the disaster known as obamacare. >> something else he brought to the trail which he showed a
stop, nicknames were democrats democrats. >> wacky jackie. >> at every stop the president warns about who will take over if the house or senate flips. >> president trump: a vote for jon tester is a vote for chuck schumer, nancy pelosi, and the new leader of the democratic party maxine waters. >> the vulnerable senator doesn't think the president will sway voters in big sky country. >> in the end, montana is going to have who they want to represent in the senate. >> there is one thing president trump can do for republican candidates that is going to be tough for democrats to compete with and that is pack an arena with nosy supporters. it's not clear who democrats could call on as the party's leader draw a big crowd. >> bret: peter, thank you. senate majority leader mitch mcconnell has just filed cloture to end debate on 17
administrative and judicial nominees. our senior producer reports it would take the senate weeks to get through all of these nominees if they do it by the book but they are moving quickly on all of that. as we have told you before, there is a huge concern up on capitol hill and throughout the country about cyber security for the election. tonight, the government is sharing some of what it is doing to try to prevent a rerun of 2016. doug mckelway shows us. >> its nickname to the scare the heck out of you board and its front and center inside this cyber command center in the department of homeland security. each red pin represents some vital control connected to the internet potentially vulnerable to hacking. their concern is on the midterm elections. >> there's no evidence of the scope and scale of 2016 but that could change over the next day and the next day. >> just hours before she spoke,
the committee foiled an act of hacking. it was a reminder that election security is mostly in the hands of individual companies and jurisdictions. the federal government plays a mostly deterrent role against what nielsen says is the big four state hackers. russia, north korea, china, and iran. >> our message is simple, we will identify you and you will pay a high price. so don't bother. >> two bills that would impose such a price remained stalled in the senate. the director of national intelligence to determine within 30 days of an election whether a foreign state interfered and impose automatic sanctions. the secure elections act would require vendors of election machines to report any problems to dhs and to date members of the senate intelligence committee wrote one of the nation's largest election vendors warning they want to submit to independent testing.
that after an 11-year-old penetrated a model of florida's election systems and changed voting totals. after it was discovered that a russian oligarch recently became the biggest investor in the company that handles maryland's voting registered database. >> bret: stocks were mixed today as the current bull run on wall street became the longest in history at 3453 days. the dow lost 89 today, the nasdaq gained 30 both the s&p and the nasdaq finished at the third highest close in the history of those indices. up next, the illegal immigrant who confessed to murdering an iowa college student makes his first court appearance. here's what some of our fox affiliates are covering around the country. fox 46 in charlotte has a north carolina state committee recommends three confederate monuments remain on the state
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>> bret: the illegal immigrant who admits to kidnapping and killing in iowa college student made his first court appearance today. the shocking crime is fueling even more outrage over an immigration system the president is now calling a disgrace. correspondent matt finn is in montezuma iowa tonight. >> wearing striped prison garb and a shackles, 24-year-old christian rivera was led into the county court in iowa this afternoon and charged with first-degree murder in the death of 20-year-old molly tibbets. immigration and customs enforcement agents say he's from mexico and has been in the united states illegally for 4 t. police say he confessed that he followed her on her nightly job. he told investigators she pleaded with him to stop trailing her and said she was going to call police. he claims he blacked out. when he came to, tibbets was in his trunk.
rivera led them to a cornfield to what they believe is her bod body. a farm spokesperson said rivera worked there for four years, but they didn't use the federal e-verify system to screen him and he's not who they thought he was. the judge was asked to block the media but was denied. >> the government has weighed in at the highest levels of predisposition that this young man is guilty. >> at a rally in west virginia, the president did weigh in on her murder. >> president trump: you heard about today with the illegal alien coming in, very sadly from mexico and you saw what happened to that incredible beautiful young woman. should have never happened.
illegally in our country. we've had a huge impact but the laws are so bad. the immigration laws are such a disgrace. >> a federal immigration spokesman told fox news that he never made a daca request. he's being held in a $5 million bond. >> bret: up next another of then candidate trumps early supporters looking at serious legal trouble tonight we'll have that story. first beyond our borders, russian president vladimir putin says economic sanctions against his country and are counterproductive and senseless. he described last month's helsinki summit as positive but blamed the administration for continuing to hit russia with sanctions. officials and local groups held religious ceremonies today in
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tuition, video games, golf, groceries, tequila, and more. he earns $174,000 a year, his wife is paid another 36,000 as campaign manager. the indictment says they spent substantially more than they earned. they overdo their bank account more than 1100 times over seven years resulting in $37,761 in overdraft fees. he claims the indictment as a political hit job by two prosecutors who attended a hillary clinton fund-raiser in 2015 although the u.s. attorney's office is run by a trump appointed republican. his father a former congressman defended his son. >> it's politically motivated by hard-core democrats who want to get him out of congress. >> with election day just months away republicans expected to win this description of the seat may be up for grabs. >> the department of justice is supposed to be separate from the
political process yet anything that the department of justice does with any member of congress will become political with an election in november. >> the "san diego union tribune"'s calling on hunter to resign leaving a 29-year-old democrat and what would essentially be a one-man race. >> now was the time to put country over party. >> the house speaker stripped him of committee assignments, and the congressman plans to fight the charges. >> bret: the earth is moving in venezuela, a strong aftershock jolted the northeastern coast this morning following the most powerful earthquake to hit that country in more than a century yesterday. since both came at a considerable depths, there have been no reports of major damage or deaths. the economy in venezuela is more than shaky. it's in crisis. that country's embattled socialist president is going to extremes to try to fix it. correspondent rich edson takes a
look from the state department. >> 60000% inflation, venezuelans need a stack of money to buy a bag of rice if one is available. a government solution, just dropped five zeros from the currency. >> that is a trick, this is a terrible deception. removing five zeros does not improve the economy at all. >> the international monetary fund to says inflation could hit one million percent. president nicolas maduro announced a 3000% minimum wage increase and raise corporate taxes and gasoline prices. analysts say that will likely accelerate hyperinflation. >> if this is poorly executed or unfeasible, it is a tremendous economic contraction. layoffs, much more limited supply of goods. >> the focus on zeros also creates confusion as venezuelans are left abiding by 100,000 to try to figure out what they have
and what items cost. millions have fled the country, most across the country into columbia. many will receive medicine and return home, others move across latin america. the united states has sanctioned the regime as it consolidates power there although the u.s. navy has sent a hospital ship off the coast of columbia to treat a venezuelan restaurant jeez. >> venezuelans who escaped to columbia tell us that the regime has been further suppressing individual freedoms there especially after an alleged assassination attempt earlier this month. >> bret: thank you, we will continue to cover the situation in venezuela. one of the world's least wired countries giving a little more connected now. cubans with cell phones are getting mobile access to the internet and a tentative but significant opening communications.
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>> just because michael cohen made a plea deal doesn't mean it implicates the president on anything. >> bret: the fallout from michael cohen the president's former attorney, personal attorney pleaded guilty and obviously his former campaign manager with a jury finding him guilty on different tax and fraud charges, this as legal experts differ on his entire campaign violation and what it means. >> if he had written a letter saying you're going to hurt me in my campaign, to help me get elected president and you have to keep it quiet, it's hush money. i challenge any of those saying it's a crime to find me anything in criminal law that would make it a crime for a candidate personally to pay to save his own election. >> bret: alan dershowitz
tonight on the show. and mollie hemingway at the federalist. let's do some behind the scenes in trump world the day after. >> i spoke to two sources who talk to air force one with trump, the news breaking is weak got a lot of play, those are people i've come to trust said that he was incredibly calm. he was not a hysterical situation, he was watching fox news. the staff were trying to get information and find out what was going on. they didn't hatch a strategy on the plane, there were phone calls that he left to his own devices he was talking to his
lawyers but i don't have verification on that. towards the end of the trip it became clear that he was going to attack michael cohen's credibility. b he was going to make the argument that he was my lawyer and he was going to minimize the violation itself which is what we have seen today. >> they think this is the avenue to go after trump. as it has been discussed is not an open and shut case at all. has said these nondisclosure agreements that he arranged are actually illegal campaign contributions. there is a lot of reason to suspect that will be a much more difficult case to implicate trump. you can look at an analogous situation with john edwards where the government tried to say a donor giving money to his mistress was an illegal campaign
contribution. the government failed to make a case, the jury acquitted him on one count and hung on the rest and they declined to pursue it any further. that was about someone else's contribution, this is about his own contribution and it would be a difficult thing to convince people that this is a serious crime if a crime at all. the idea that people would run quickly to impeachment is somewhat interesting. >> bret: other legal experts look at it and its timing to the election, its implication possibly on the election just days before the election and how much impact that would have had. not as much a campaign violation as a conspiracy to influence the election is how others have talked about it. what about the political fallout on the hill after yesterday which was clearly explosive for the president for the g.o.p.? >> i don't think anyone is worried about the violations and what he said to the judge, that
is going to rise to a high crime or misdemeanor and lead to impeachment. the new concerns that axios is reporting and the concerns among congressional republicans about michael cohen has nothing to do with these payments. it has to do with the fact he could be a big source of unwelcome surprises. trying to set up a tower or hotel in moscow. the fact that the chief financial officer has had to speak to investigators in the state of new york overpayments to michael cohen. all kinds of exposure in terms of financial dealings come with this but also michael cohen could implicate others like john jr. the report is the president is concerned about don jr. mumbled collusion is still collusion. he was trying to work with officials from the uae and saudi government as well as the trump tower meeting to welcome
the help of foreign actors and that's with the president is concerned about. >> bret: when you look at these two figures, the thought is that he's going to put the squeeze on them and end up with the golden egg. >> i don't think there's any question the democrats are going to move to impeach donald trump after the election, i don't think the facts matter. i think we already have enough to form the baseness of impeachment, i think every new fact would be something they add to it. we have between 50 and 60 house democrats saying they want to impeach the president, it's not going to take much after the midterm election for that number to get to 200. you still run into the senate where i can't imagine a scenario that mueller produces in his report unless it's trump's hotline to and vladimir every morning that would convince
enough republicans to impeach. it's an academic conversation and it could end up rebounding to trump's advantage. >> there are people left out of this conversation. you have people who wanted to get rid of donald trump as president since the moment he won election and people who chose to vote for him because he said they would advance their agenda. that latter group is extremely happy, pleasantly surprised with how well things have gone. the first group it doesn't matter what the details are they just want to get rid of him by hook or by crook. the fact that people can see this that we live in a swamp where if you have the right connections you get away with crimes and if you don't, they will go after anybody, anyway, anyhow whatever it takes to get rid of the president is a credibility problem for these institutions that are supposed to practice rule of law. >> bret: last thing there was a democratic talking point in the morning that brett kavanaugh should not go forward in the nomination hearing for supreme court. late in the afternoon it seemed to fall away. mark warner said we should move
forward, and then we have a statement just before the show. i am not going to delay judge kavanaugh's confirmation hearing, there is clear precedent for pointing the other way. president clinton was under investigation for much of his presidency and impeached for committing perjury by the senate didn't stop confirming his lifetime appointments to the bench. president trump is not even close to being in the same legal situation is president clinton. it seems like this train is moving and buying something big, he's getting through. >> there's a lot of conflict within the democratic party on how to deal with cavanaugh, mr. long hill to die on. they have an unchecked corruption argument to make trying to stop brett kavanaugh is probably a mistake. >> bret: the economic crisis in venezuela, and new evidence of political meddling by russia and iran, will be back.
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continues to stand with the people of venezuela and we are going to keep all options on the table. >> bret: sarah sanders talking about the venezuela, the situation is dire not just for this earthquake that wasn't as bad but the economic situation really in recession for the last four years. inflation reaching one million percent by the end of the year. the president has been doubling every 26 days, the oil dropped to a 30-year low and as of june an estimated 2.3 million venezuelans have fled the country. it's a mess. >> as milton friedman has said, inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon, it only exists because of income government it government meddling. it has led to this horrific man-made humanitarian crisis in venezuela, it is a horrific
situation and it is one that didn't need to happen, this is one of the wealthiest countries in latin america and so many people live under the poverty line. two-thirds of the country have lost an average of 25 pounds in the previous year and it's something that we should be paying more attention to it for no other reason than it's happening in our hemisphere. >> bret: president trump so there might be some kind of military effort inside of venezuela, remember that? he was talked out of it. there is a concern about a country that is just spiraling in our hemisphere and what we do. >> we know it's headed in a downward direction but we don't know where the end is but president maduro is calling the new currency and magic formula. already reporting on the ground has people saying the government is trying to do price caps, this is not going to buy me food -- this is escalating, mollie is
right, they are literally starving. the government can provide water, it's unbelievable. it's a very tough call for a country like ours what kind of intervention is appropriate. >> the risk here is that venezuela becomes syria of latin america. >> bret: a failed state. >> a failed state with millions of refugees leaving, scurrying across the border, destabilizing the region. we have the luxury of not being anywhere near syria but this is a lot closer to home. >> bret: we bring it back to politics, democratic socialists gaining favor into the democratic party, there have been a lot of questions about venezuela to some of the candidates. obviously a socialist regime that is not doing too well. >> i saw an interview with bernie sanders where the host said they would like to ask a bunch of questions about how to pay for some of his socialist policies but they ran out of time.
socialism is not something that causes no problems. when you centralize control of the means of production, you have this type of lack of response to price controls, venezuela has so much, so many natural resources. they should not be in this situation. it is the result of their socialist policies. polls are showing people are becoming more attracted to socialism in this country, this is something we shouldn't have to learn again. there is a reason why markets help people flourish and help lead to longer, happier, healthier lives. the one i didn't have time because the panel was cut short but there's a lot of concern about this cyber attack but not just russia but iran. facebook and twitter both pointing towards iran. >> the question is what took them so long. watching the success of the russians in 2016 and there has not been an adequate robust response and that we are still very vulnerable, all talking all the time about the 2018 elections and beyond let alone the threats to our power grid,
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democrats, some are pivoting back to family separation on this issue as donald trump amplifies his calls for tougher border walls. >> michelle melton says it is disgraceful the democrats failed to recognize the pain of the mollie tibbetts family. >> the case we are talking about underscores a message i have been sending. these examples are arguments for more and vigorous and better enforcement and not less and as a campaign issue you have democrats who are all lockstep that ice should be abolished, they are openly, brazenly like you to listen is saying, that we should have no borders at all. it is a disgrace, you have elizabeth warren lecturing people about which family separations they should be caring about. mollie tibbetts was probably
>> foxbusiness alert, stocks begin their longest bull run ever in the midst of it, the turnaround i started 3453 days ago on march 9, 2009. the major indexes have been soaring ever since, donald trump touting success saying longest bull run in the history of the stock market, congratulations to america. >> political sharks circling in the fallout from a former trump ally. >> "fox and friends" exclusive, the president insists he has done nothing wrong. >> griffin can live in washington where there are different opinions on what this means. >> reporter: there is blood in the water on capitol hill, the president is fighting back saying he has done nothing wrong and we are hearing his side of the story for the first time in an exclusive. >> did you know about the payment? >> later on i knew but you have
money was paid before the election and prosecutors brought charges that mister cohen was motivated for political reasons to pay hush money and mister trump is named as the person who directed and coordinated that. >> democrats on the hill wasted no time blasting the president as a co-conspirator with talk of impeachment and calling for the supreme court nomination hearing to be postponed. >> this nomination is now tainted. the president was nominated brett kavanaugh, implicated in a criminal conspiracy. >> he has not cleaned the swamp but made more rigid and fetid. there is a cesspool around this president. >> as for brett kavanaugh's hearing, the committee chairman says that is still a go. :has more legal woes being subpoena to testify in a trump foundation investigation.
>> democrats pouncing as cohen promises to reveal what he is calling the truth about donald trump. >> fox news contributor alan dershowitz says the problem with the plan to take down the president as he points out he hasn't done anything illegal. >> he is more correct than his critics are. it is a close question, it is complicated. the president may contribute to his own campaign. if he had written a letter to these women saying you are going to hurt me in my campaign, i'm going to pay you 150, $130,000 to help me get elected president and you have to keep quiet, it is hush money, i challenge any of those saying it is a crime to find me anything in the common-law that would make a crime, if cohen himself made the contribution that would be unlawful because she has a limit of $5200 so the complicated issue is what if trump said to do it in the campaign contribution would be lawful as
long as the president ultimately paid for it. >> michael cohen at sentencing is scheduled for december 12th. >> bombshell revelation ensures talked about the case before they were supposed to. and sealed documents showed one of the jurors commented on the weakness of paul manafort's defense. 's attorneys tried unsuccessfully for a mistrial. this as one of the jurors in field on fox news that a single juror prevented manafort from being found guilty on all 18 charges. >> we tried to convince her to look at the paper trail again and again. she said she had reasonable doubt. >> 11 of 12 jurors including yourself would have convicted him on all 18. >> yes. >> the door instead found him guilty on eight counts of fraud related charges. >> reporter: donald trump awarded the medal of honor to an
airman killed in a firefight with al qaeda. >> as john fired he was shot and fell to the ground and lost consciousness. even though he was mortally wounded he regained consciousness and continued to fight on and he really thought. jillian: he died in afghanistan in 2002 leaving behind two young girls. he is the first airman to receive the medal of honor since the vietnam war. rob: and illegal immigrant charged with murdering mollie tibbetts, one whose son was killed, has asked how many more will it take for america to wake up. she joins us live. jillian: the happiest place on it got happier for people who work there. ♪ ♪ you ain't seen nothing yet
rob: how many more? that is the question from an angel mom after mollie tibbetts was killed by an illegal immigrant. jillian: she has fought to save other families in the tragedy she went through. rob: a message for those fighting the president's border policy. i want to start with your reaction in the press conference earlier this week when they announced, and how the killer works. >> it was my already broken heart broke all over again, the numbness in disbelief that another family, i know their pain. my heart and prayers go out to
them and condolences. i wish -- jillian: a lot of people have said stop politicizing this issue, let the family healed but if we can't talk about it now after another tragedy, will we be able to talk about it and what needs to be done in this country? >> we have to keep talking about it. it is not politicizing it. it is about mollie tibbetts and dominique and other victims, and the last victim, we will talk about it and help our american citizens and legal immigrants like myself, how much longer will we allow these elected officials, fight harder for illegal aliens than for american
citizens and we have to stop whispering about this issue out of fear we might be called racist because illegal is a status, not a race. we have to get behind ice and law enforcement and stand in support of them and with them and clean up our country. there will be not another mollie tibbetts or dominic. we have to be end it now. >> clicks of the president's policies say illegal immigrants commit less crime and rape in american citizens do. they call this blatant racism and citizens killing citizens every day in this country. what do you say to that? >> i say to them that is a false statement.
we should have 0 crime by illegal aliens. we have american criminals we are taking care of, they have a right to be here. illegal aliens don't have a right to be here and one death by an illegal or two or 10,000, and any crime by illegals for american citizens. >> we are sorry to speak to you under these circumstances but thank you for your time. >> thank you for having me. jillian: 18 after the hour. will ballots be safe from foreign hackers? the new warning from homeland security. >> they tell me about this nazi who lived in queens who walks the streets like he owns the place, he is 95 years old.
>> the president opening up about deportation of a nazi guard living in the united states. his action was personal.
database two years after russian hackers unlawfully accessed dnc computers. >> reporter: those foreign adversaries who seek to meddling or impact our election our message from the federal government is simple. just don't bother. any attack on a political party or campaign is important to take seriously. rob: she called on election officials to assure all ballots are verifiable by 2020. >> $15 billion of chinese goods. rob: farmers on the tent about their economic future during what could be a record year. shannon: spoke to those farmers and have their story. >> one of the biggest farm auctions in the country. we are here in hamilton,
illinois. it sounds like $27 it appears. they have been battered by tariffs that have been imposed, retaliatory tariffs, as a result, trump administration terrace on aluminum and steel and hit with tariffs and the hit they are taking, experiencing tremendous yields this year probably 158 bushels an acre of corn making 52 bushels or so an acre of soybeans, the all-time record. most of these farmers we talked to over time. >> started the trade
negotiations, let's do it. >> it is going to get better, a political game that needed done years ago and it is "happening now". >> am i optimistic? yes. i think they will get fixed. >> reporter: donald trump promised farmers by this terrace, taking matters into their own hands, something they are supposed to do. at the auction in hamilton, illinois, jeff flock. rob: it is amazing. jillian: i don't know how they do it. rob: a good story but close to the megaphone. 425 after the hour. a monster storm barreling
towards hawaii and we need a monster. hurricane lane could make landfall in just hours. tracking the latest path next. >> one of the things we have to remember is we need an immigration system that focuses on real problems. rob: what does elizabeth warren think of the murder of mollie tibbetts, she cares more about illegal immigrants and sounding off on this one, here live. ♪ beat it ♪ beat it ♪
when lane is expected to make landfall. >> reporter: the storm beginning to the outer bands of rain hitting the island. that is what you're seeing a leading edges, some of this heavy rain, heavy stuff still a ways away. looking at the forecast track, wind still at 145 miles an hour. pay attention to the track. it could turn at any moment. it makes a big difference on how close it gets to the islands but here's your track and if you're looking at this area by honolulu that is friday at 2:00 pm. the ands are backing down as it moves that direction. making the closest pastoral major population center, otherwise towards the big island of hawaii, the largest island but not the most populated. here are several forecast tracks, this is why there's a lot of uncertainty. some of these take it into making landfall, others stay farther to the south.
this means eventually we could see something close or farther off. you have a good 18 hours or so until they can nail down where it will go but it will be a major story either way. rob: potentially a direct hit. we will see. >> the head of ice is resurfacing in nearly a year, urging followers to continue fighting, celebrating the recent attacks in canada and europe and a 54 minute speech released by the terror group, he called on dynasties bombs, and knives in more attacks. it is unclear when it was recorded. there are conflicting reports whether he is dead or hiding in the desert near the syrian iraqi border. rob: violence near a tourist destination for americans in mexico. eight bodies found all over
cancun, mexico, some dismembered and left in plastic bags. sounds like cartel violence. another found dead in a hammock. the state department previously issued a travel warning about cancun, be careful driving at night. be vigilant, they are seeing robberies and carjackings. a "fox and friends" exclusive, donald trump says he is pleased the nazi prison guard living in the united states was deported on his watch. >> a nazi prison guard living in queens, officials deported him. why was that important for you? >> a lot of jewish friends. he said to me about this man in queens, i grew up in queens and he was a man who was not just a prison guard but supervise the killing of many jews. he has lived here for decades.
from the beginning of the campaign they tell me about this nazi who lived in queens and walks the street like he owns it. he is 95 years old and the obama administration was unable to pull it off and the bush administration was unable to pull it off and i was able to pull it off. rob: he was a guard at a concentration camp in german occupied poland before spending decades in the united states. you can see ainsley's exclusive interview at 6:00 this morning with the president at the white house on "fox and friends". jillian: the death of mollie tibbetts sending shockwaves throughout the country. rob: elizabeth warren raised some eyebrows with this reaction to her murder. >> this is hard not only for the family but the people in her
community and people throughout iowa. one of the things we have to remember is we need immigration system that is effective, that focuses on where real problems are. separating a mother from a baby does not make the country safer. jillian: joining us with his reaction is lawrence jones, thank you for joining us. what do you make of that? >> this is what the american people are so frustrated with. seems like people on the left are so focused on illegals but not american citizens that are often harmed by people that shouldn't be in this country that came into the country illegally. this is why i see them not being able to do well in the midterms. every time they have the opportunity to say i and american, i'm upset too, they say no, this president is against illegals, we don't want to enrage people against comprehensive immigration reform.
rob: they keep sliding back to the family separation which was a low point for the president which they wish they could take back but is there tone keep sounding more like they just want open borders, if you want to come here just come here. when you put to that people in polling that is not a popular idea. >> not that they sound like they want open borders, they don't respect the law, they want ice eliminated, they want us to cry about kids at the border but there are a lot of crimes where kids are stripped away from their parents all day every day and have to pay the consequences like the war on drugs which democrats supported back in the day. because of the war on drugs, if you want the drug laws to change then you have to go through the criminal justice reform process. the same for immigration, not a special privilege forgetting immigration done, they have to go through the legal process and if congress doesn't like the law if they want a better system,
take it to the president's desk. >> let's talk about the next topic. it has been a week since the dnc said they would review domestic abuse allegations. >> many of us called for due process. people have a presumption of innocence before we start asking them to resign but that is not what democrats said during the me too movement, your guilty first and have to prove yourself innocent but now because they like this guy, he is the vice chairman of the democratic party and they feel he is an aggregate then he gets a pass and that is hypocritical and one standard, they should stick with it. >> is he at risk? running for attorney general.
but his ties to radical islam. he has to deal with it but they will provide cover. jillian: alexandria ocasio-cortez posted a photo lamenting this coffee shop closure she frequented. >> reporter: your coffee shop, americans across the country. when you raise the minimum wage people lose their jobs, machines now, i don't feel sorry for her. this is a woman who benefited from capitalism and now she is changing her tune. campus reform for a little bit, these young people believe in her, they believe in socialism and it scares the hell out of me
and the public, a junior senator, people who are laughing about his hope and change message became the president of the united states. we need to be a little cautious laughing at her. rob: the coffee shop in manhattan stay open because the wage hikes hurt their business, these are wage hikes alexandria ocasio-cortez is a big fan of and when they close the coffee shop she is not crazy about the idea. >> that is what happens, it is her coffee shop. all across america experiencing the same thing and her policies, socialist policies, she supports raising the minimum wage. welcome to the real world when you do it. your coffee shop is gone now. rob: the "fox and friends" all-american road trip goes from the road to the sky.
jillian: todd pyro flying with the thunderbirds in atlantic city. >> reporter: good morning. we took this winnebago through my home state and what an unbelievable experience it was because we went over the boardwalk in atlantic city where the thunderbird not only put on a show but they gave me the experience of a lifetime in one of these. and unbelievable bucket list item for you when "fox and friends first" returns on thursday morning. ♪
affected. the threat was not specific to one area but details remain unclear. jillian: an officer struggling to arrest a robbery suspect, put down their phones and help. >> why did you do that? >> stop it! [shouting] jillian: now of a job after the viral video card her recording the whole thing and not helping. the suspect is charged with this arming a police officer. ♪ jillian: from dollywood to atlantic city, todd pyro hitting the roads. rob: getting a firsthand look at all the fun you can have traveling in an rv and we might have a tough time getting him to
come back. jillian: an incredible show in atlantic city. >> reporter: incredible is an understatement, a tale of two rides for me. first the winnebago really is one of these vehicles that packs a punch even though it look small in size, it has everything you want from the bed to the kitchen and it handles extremely easily, perfect for tailgating and going to see airshows like the ones the thunderbirds fly but this week wasn't just any air show. i had the opportunity to fly with some amazing men and women who do an unbelievable job for our country, an experience that leaves me speechless. take a look. time to take this road trip from the ground to the sky.
that was pretty cool. >> the thunderbirds represent 660,000 total active-duty national guard airmen deployed around the world. what do you do these airshows? >> our mission is to recruit, retain and inspire. we travel across america representing amazing things the air force is doing. >> not many people get a chance to do this, to strap into a fighting falcon. >> a little lightheaded. my entire life, last week, the dollywood roller coaster. >> i keep hearing this will be an athletic event. i haven't done a workout since soccer practice. >> you are going to crush it. >> say you can't pick your calls, that is not how it is done. and pyromaniac, this process
works. >> ready to go? >> as ready as i will ever be. >> got your name up there? you see that? it is actually up there. show time. let's go. all right. >> how are you doing back there? >> that was so smooth. >> roll to the left. here we go. nice and easy. you ready to fly? >> what do i do? >> further. there you go. pullback on the stick. pullback further. there you go. all right.
you go upside down. you ready? upside down again. and all the way around now. >> this is amazing. this is just amazing. unbelievable. >> pulling over 6g, no small feat. [applause] >> welcome back. bring it in. >> thanks for the experience and i am speechless. it is rare. the folks gave this to me.
a true honor to receive something like this even though i did nothing. the gentleman on the bottom was the pilot who took me up, he was so kind and generous and gentle with what is a massive piece of machinery but it is not just major falcon. 130 individuals are team that make these things fly. they all deserve an amazing amount of credit. when you think of team, what they do on a day-to-day basis is unreal. we are in good hands here as a nation. jillian: did you get sick? >> reporter: let's put it this way. i will put it delicately. so far on the all-american summer road trip i'm over two on intestinal fortitude. in saint augustine next week does me a little better. rob: thank you so much, appreciate it. for more information visit foxnews.com/roadtrip.
jillian: michael cohen's lawyer paying for his client's legal journey. >> we set up a website called michael cohen truth.com that we are hoping he will get some help from the american people. jillian: the epic mistake he made without even knowing it. rob: it got happier for people who work there, thousands of disney employees nationwide. ♪ taking care of business ♪
jillian: tracy carrasco here with more. >> reporter: it made a mistake in slowing down the wireless data of these firefighters as they were battling california's largest firing state history. verizon says it happens because the plan only allowed for use of a limited amount of high-speed wireless data. the center clarify department chief said this significantly impacted how these firefighters were able to handle this crisis, they were in the middle of this emergency situation and they asked verizon to help them with this slowdown, verizon said it was a customer service mistake, an error that caused this slowdown. they lift these caps, this all had to do with net neutrality. >> disney offering to pay
college tuition for all its >> no strings attached program. for nearly 80,000 of these hourly employees they will be eligible to take classes online, the high school diploma, to take college classes, vocational class but they will do this as part of disney's program, they announced it in january, $50 million educational program. employees will soon be able to take in person classes, a biggest and if -- big initiative. jillian: the good,
>> the violin rendition of natural women, beautiful. rob: michael cohen's attorney fishing for money from his client on national tv and makes a big mistake. lanny davis's go fund me page sent them to an internet page, somebody quickly buying that up, redirecting users to the president's site. dacorrected himself and gave a proper address. jillian: no shirt, no pants, no problem. a guy driving a motorcycle in florida with his feet. calm, cool and collected, he could be ticketed for several violations. not smart.
rob: student vandals whitewashing history and intensifying their war on confederate statues. [chanting] jillian: a student at the university of north carolina says anarchy has no place in civil society, calling out the irony behind their antics when she joins us live in the next hour of "fox and friends first". sleep disturbances keep 1 in 3 adults up at night.
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tonight, the bombshell recordings. president trump in his own words admitting to downplaying the coronavirus. early on, calling it deadly, and saying privately, "it goes through the air, that's how it's passed." the president giving 18 interviews to bob woodward, telling woodward in early february he knew the virus was much deadlier than the flu. but later, telling the american people the virus was like the flu. and then in march, he told woodward privately he knew it's not just infecting old people, revealing it's, quote, "young people, too, plenty of young people." president trump admitting to intentionally misleading the american public because he didn't want to cause a panic. tonight, how the president is now explaining the comments. and joe biden's response tonight. the harrowing new images this evening. dozens of devastating wildfires
exploding across several states toni inarts of oregon, flames cinerang e nit tcod be the greatest loss of human lives due to fires in that state's history. meanwhile, the bear fire in california exploding in size. multiple casualties. and the sky glowing orange tonight. the race for a vaccine. and we now learned more tonight about why that key oxford trial has been halted for now. the patient reportedly experiencing neurological symptoms. and we are just learning this evening about a third grade teacher here in the u.s. dying from the virus. she had returned to the classroom two weeks ago. a whistle-blower at the department of homeland security coming forward tonight, claiming the trump administration repeatedly tried to sensor or manipulate intelligence for political purposes. the allegation coming after abc news reported the agency withheld a report for two months abt itoiuso hs uil
election day. the attorney general responding tonight, with the justice department now defending president trump in a defamation lawsuit, brought by a woman claiming he sexually assaulted her decades ago. the president's defense paid for by taxpayers. and from temperatures near 100 to 30 degrees and snow. multiple accidents. the driving treacherous. good evening and it's great to have you with us here on a wednesday night. and we begin tonight with those bombshell recordings. president trump giving journalist bob woodward 18 interviews. and during those interviews, the president admits to downplaying the coronavirus in the u.s. early on, telling woodward he knew the virus was deadlier than the flu, saying privately, "it goes through the air, that's how it's passed."
the president telling woodward in early february that the virus would be deadlier than the flu, but weeks later, his words in public, telling the american people that the virus was like the flu. it was in march, the president talks about the toll with woodward, not just on older americans, but revealing it's, quote, "young people, too, plenty of young people." during the interviews, president trump admits to intentionally misleading the american public because he didn't want to cause a panic. tonight, how the president is now explaining those comments. how different they were in public versus private. and his opponent joe biden's response, too. abc's chief white house correspondent jonathan karl leading us off. >> reporter: it's all on tape. president trump bluntly acknowledging to bob woodward he fully understood the deadly threat posed by coronavirus and that he was misleading the american public about it. in his book "rage," woodward writes that national security adviser robert o'brien told president trump on january 28th that coronavirus, quote, "will be the biggest national security threat you face in your presidency."
ten days later, woodward interviewed the president and they spoke about the virus. here is an excerpt from the audio tape obtained by cnn. >> you just breathe the air. that's how it's passed. and so, that's a very tricky one. that's a very delicate one. it is also more deadly than your, you know, even your strenuous flus. this is more deadly. this is five per, you know, this is 5% versus, you know, 1% and less than 1%, you know, so -- this is deadly stuff. >> reporter: but just three weeks after that, the president told the american people coronavirus is like the flu. directly contradicting what he told woodward. >> this is a flu. this is like a flu. within a couple of days, it's going to be down to close to zero. that's a pretty good job we've done. you may ask about the coronavirus, which is -- you know, very well under control in our country. >> reporter: in another interview in march, the president candidly acknowledged to woodward he wasn't being upfront with the american
people. >> now it's turning out it's not just old people, bob, just today and yesterday, some startling facts came out, it's not just older -- >> yeah, exactly. >> young people, too, plenty of young people. >> it's clear, just from what's on the public record, that you went through a pivot on this to, oh my god, the gravity is almost inexplicable and unexplainable. >> well, i think, bob, really, to be honest with you -- >> sure, i want you to be. >> i wanted to -- i wanted to always play it down. i still like playing it down. >> yes. >> because i don't want to create a panic. >> reporter: and the very next week, the president said this -- >> america will again and soon be open for business, very soon. a lot sooner than three or four months that somebody was
suggesting. a lot sooner. we cannot let the cure be worse than the problem itself. >> reporter: the president today was asked directly if he was misleading the public in order to prevent a panic. and he acknowledged, again, he had been. >> well, i think, if you said in order to reduce panic, perhaps that's so. the fact is, i'm a cheerleader for this country, i love our country. >> reporter: campaigning in michigan today, joe biden, who has made the president's handling of coronavirus a centerpiece of his campaign, called the president's comments to woodward a disgrace. >> he knew and purposely played it down. worse, he lied to the american people. he knowingly and willingly lied about the threat it posed to the country for months. he knew how dangerous it was. while this deadly disease ripped through our nation, he failed to do his job on purpose. it was a life and death betrayal of the american people. >> and so let's bring in jon karl with us tonight. and jon, the white house was pressed on this today. really on a question that many folks at home are likely asking tonight. why would the president offer woodward such a detailed account of the dangers of the coronavirus and yet deliver a different message to the
american people? didn't he know that in talking with a journalist that this would ultimately be reported? >> reporter: well, david, it's extraordinary. the president did 18 separate interviews with bob woodward over the course of several months, as he was working on this book. his national security adviser, just a short while ago, said this was the president's decision to do those interviews and that he was, quote, willing to go into the lion's ring with bob woodward. but i can tell you, i think another factor here is that when woodward wrote his last book, the president was upset that his staff turned down woodward's request to get an interview with him. he believes that he can talk himself out of anything and that if he could talk enough to bob woodward, he would have a positive portrayal in his book. >> all right, jon karl leading us off tonight. much more to come on this. jon, thank you. we are also following the devastating scene unfolding in the west right now. the fires fueled by winds, incinerating several towns in oregon tonight. the fires there now turning deadly, in fact. the governor there saying tonight this could be the greatest toll on human lives
from fires in that state's history. all of oregon now in a state of emergency tonight. crews battling 35 wildfires there. hundreds of homes already destroyed. so many, they say it's impossible to get a count right now. the heat melting this car right onto the street. and from space tonight, look at this. the massive plumes of smoke from the fires in both oregon and california. and there was also an image today, the sky over san francisco. this is in the middle of the day. major concerns over air quality tonight. our chief national correspondent matt gutman on the fire lines again tonight. this time, from oregon. >> reporter: tonight, 35 wildfires wreaking unprecedented destruction across oregon. expressi expression explosions illuminating the night sky. vicious wind-driven flames incinerating entire towns. hundreds of homes destroyed. an unknown number of lives lost. >> this could be the greatest loss of human lives and property due to wildfire in our state's
history. >> oh, my god. this looks really bad. >> reporter: tens of thousands racing to evacuate. >> medford is, like, completely shut down right now. >> reporter: some of them making desperate last stands to protect property. >> you can see him right there on his tractor, trying to keep these flames at bay. >> reporter: towns along interstate 5, that major west coast artery, now smoldering ruins. >> we came about a half hour ago to see if there was anything saveable, but everything's gone. >> reporter: so many families losing everything. those out of control fires visible from space. huge plumes of smoke billowing thousands of feet into the air. i've been covering fires for half a dozen years or more, i've never seen anything like this. the sky completely orange at 11:00 in the morning. nearly the entire west coast of the country smothered in smoke. can barely see san francisco's golden gate bridge in the middle of the day. and north of sacramento, thousands fleeing the north complex fire. exploding in size, scorching 1,000 acres every 30 minutes.
our kaylee hartung is there. >> two fires converged here. years of drought and high winds exploded this fire into one of the largest in california's history. >> reporter: one man unable to escape, sheltering inside a sheet metal shop. >> i thought i was going to die. at least from -- if not from the fire, the smoke inhalation. >> reporter: and tonight, we are learning there are multiple burn victims. >> this is just an awful scene unfolding. let's get to matt gutman. he's live in phoenix, oregon, tonight. and matt, i know you were telling us that these devastating fires are spreading so fast that authorities have been unable to get a handle on just how many people are missing? >> reporter: we've been asking authorities for 12 hours already how many peoplare missing and they say they simply don't know at this point. and the reason i'm actually riding on the back of a truck is because the devastation here is so widespread, the only way you can get a sense of the scope is to drive through it. david, 180 homes in this community. this goes on for house after house. you can still see some of the smoldering wreckage in the background.
the governor here saying that this is just one of five communities that are substantially destroyed tonight. firefighters saying they have simply never seen anything like this in state history. david? >> we will stay on this in the days and weeks to come. matt gutman, thank you. it was this time last night here, we reported on that key trial for a vaccine, the oxford trial being halted for now. it had been one of the most promising trials. tonight, we learn more about why. a woman reportedly coming down with neurological symptoms. here in the u.s. tonight, the death toll rising. more than 190,000 american lives lost to the virus. and tonight we learn, among them, a third grade teacher from south carolina who had just returned to the classroom two weeks ago. here's stephanie ramos. >> reporter: tonight, new details about why the trial for a covid vaccine from oxford and astrazeneca was put on hold. according to the medical news site "stat," a british volunteer injected with the vaccine experienced neurological symptoms consistent with a rare, but serious spinal inflammation disorder.
so, what do researchers need to learn in order to begin trials again? >> they need to look at everyone who has been vaccinated and see if anyone else is having these kinds of symptoms. we need to know, is there any reason to believe the vaccine actually caused this or was this just a coincidence? >> reporter: 62-year-old jorge vega was the first volunteer in los angeles to be injected last friday. vega doesn't know if he got the vaccine or a placebo, but tonight, he tells us he is feeling healthy. >> i understand there is risk on every study. i'm very confident that this is going to work. >> reporter: today, the director of the national institutes of health pushing back on the president's claim that a vaccine could be ready by election day. >> to try to predict whether it happens on a particular week before or after a particular date in early november is well beyond anything that any scientist right now could tell you and be confident they know what they are saying. >> reporter: tonight, a school district in columbia, south carolina, mourning the death of
a beloved third grade teacher they say brought joy to windsor elementary. ♪ on my way to windsor >> reporter: 28-year-old demetria bannister, who was last in her classroom two weeks ago before the start of the school year, died monday. just days after being diagnosed with the virus. demetria bannister had not been at the school since august. she was preparing for her students. she had only taught one class virtually. the school district says when they learned of her diagnosis september 4th, they did all the contract tracing. right now, there are three employees that are self-quarantining after coming into close contact with her. and tonight, the district tells us, demetria's parents are reminding others about the seriousness of the virus. david? >> all right, stephanie ramos with us here again tonight. thanks, steph. we're going to turn tonight to the whistle-blower at the department of homeland security, coming forward claiming the trump administration repeatedly tried to sensor or manipulate intelligence for political purposes. the allegation comes after abc news reported the agency withheld a report for two months
about russia and what it is doing with just two months until election day. here's mary bruce. >> reporter: tonight, a former top homeland security official turned whistle-blower is coming forward to say he was ordered to stop producing intelligence reports on russian interference in the 2020 election, in part because it made the president look bad. in a formal whistle-blower complaint, the official, brian murphy, says the acting secretary of homeland security, chad wolf, delivered the order, telling him it specifically originated from the white house. murphy says he was instructed to instead start reporting on activities from china and iran, which he believed posed a lesser threat, but it's something the president has been pushing. >> you started off with russia, why don't you start off with china? you think china's maybe a bigger threat? i think maybe it is, i mean, you'll have to figure it out. >> reporter: according to u.s. intelligence, while china would prefer to see trump lose, russia is actively trying to help him
win, by spreading misinformation and denigrating joe biden. murphy says he was instructed to withhold an intelligence bulletin on russia's efforts and says he told his supervisors that it was improper to hold a vetted intelligence product for reasons for political embarrassment. now, murphy also says he was told to downplay the threat posed by violent white supremacists and to include in his reports information on violent left-wing groups so that they matched more with the president's public comments. the white house is responding tonight. they call murphy's complaint, they say it's based on false allegations and damages our national security. david? >> all right, mary bruce on that front tonight. mary, thank you. next tonight, the controversial move by the department of justice, stepping in to defend the president in a civil case brought by a woman who claims he raped her decades ago. e. jean carroll coming forward last year, accusing the president of raping her in the 1990s. the president responding with an insult, denying the claim. carroll now suing him for defamation. the justice department saying the president was acting in his
official capacity as president when he responded, and so taxpayers will pay for his defense. tonight, attorney general william barr defending the move, saying, quote, this is a normal application of the law. we turn now to an abc news investigation, conducted with our abc-owned stations. a closer look at the data, showing police in this country pulling over black drivers at a much higher rate than white drivers. abc's chief justice correspondent pierre thomas with our stations and what they found. >> reporter: tonight, 60-year-old julian lewis is dead because of an attempted traffic stop over a broken tail light. georgia state trooper jacob thompson fatally shot lewis in the forehead, claiming that lewis tried to attack him with his car a month ago. >> he's gone by the hands of a murderer. >> reporter: trooper thompson has been fired, charged with felony murder. a judge late last week denying him bond. driving while black. new data suggests it's more than an urban myth.
an abc news investigation in partnership with our own stations discovered that in a number of major cities, black americans are far more likely to be stopped by police than their white counterparts. in minneapolis, five times more likely. in san francisco and chicago, four times more likely. three times more likely in philadelphia and los angeles. for many black americans, a simple traffic stop evokes fear. clarence castile misses his nephew philando castile terribly. >> phil did everything he could do. he had his hands in plain sight. >> reporter: philando castile, a school cafeteria supervisor, was killed by police during a july 2016 traffic stop in minnesota. >> sir, i have to tell you, i do have a -- >> okay. >> firearm on me. >> don't reach for it then. >> i'm not. >> don't pull it out. >> i'm not pulling it out. >> don't pull it out. >> reporter: it was a case of mistaken identity. castile was not involved in any robbery and had a license to carry a weapon. >> he was trying to get out his i.d. and his wallet. >> driving while black and dealing with law enforcement is one of the most serious and
deadly encounters that could happen to a person of color. >> reporter: david, mr. castile was pulled over eight times in one year. some departments are studying data on traffic stops to make sure there's no bias and looking for ways to improve training. david? >> all right, pierre thomas tonight. pierre, thank you. and pierre's investigation is part of our month-long series of reports, "turning point." examining the racial reckoning sweeping the nation and whether it will lead to lasting change, and the efforts in so many communities to bridge the divide. the reports every night on "nightline" and across our platforms and of course right here on "world news tonight." when we come back tonight, news this evening about american forces in iraq. and here at home, temperatures near 100 degrees, then plunging the next day into the 30s. multiple accidents reported. the major highway shut down. you felt safe and, if you were safe, you could be joyful. everybody has a coogan's.
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average for seven consecutive days, we have the authority to again, implement this bar. >> laura: okay, were you laughing? uh, thereafter. he said the border invasion was not crisis and he was impeached for violating his duty to enforce law. 5200 per day, 5000 plus last week, daily average in april 4200. that is not including gotaways. can't see how this moves the needle for biden at all given the number. >> it is a bit of a 180 from allowing open immigration to flood in. fact biden addressed this now at this point inim too, five months before the election, really sounds like political posturing to me. >> laura: yeah, they always think americans are stupid,
our sources that in the last 24 hours, there were nearly 5200 border encounters, the a.p. is reporting some details of this order saying that it would close the border after 2500 daily encounters. also that they would only reopen it once that daily number fell to 1500 per day. under this action, bill, if in effect the border should close today. the ap also says the president is using section 212f of the immigration act to put this into effect. the same authority trump used to ban some muslim countries. the key part of it. whenever the president finds the entry of any aliens or any class of aliens in the u.s. will be detrimental to the interest of the u.s., he may by proclamation enforce such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens. former secretary chad wolf had
more on average for seven consecutive days, we have the authority to, again implement this bar. >> laura: okay, were you laughing? it's like -- therefore, this is the same guy who said the border invasion wasn't a crisis. and he was impeached for violating his duties to enforce u.s. immigration law. now, check out the numbers at the border right now. it's criminal. 5200 day. 5,000 plus last week. daily average in april 4200. and that's not including the got-aways. can't see how this moves the needle for biden at all given these numbers. >> it's a bit of a 180 from his previous policy of allowing open immigration to flood in. the fact that biden addressed this now at this point in time, five months before the election, really sounds like political posturing to me. >> laura: yeah. they always think americans are stupid, don't they? they're not. we have to never lose sight of this simple fact.